a tiny closet, a 12-year-old girl's dungeon of hell for a year, her own parents accused of locking her away. why? mom told police she was scared the girl would steal food from the refrigerator. the girl was malnourished to begin with. we'll lay that out for you and always wild brawl at a high school basketball game. two girls from rival schools get into a fight in the hallway then the brawl spreads onto the court. players get involved and one students gets tasered. kids screaming and running, you look at, this okay. wild scene but is tazing teens the best way to handle this? we'll take your calls,

1-877-tell-hln is the number. e-mail us cnn.com slash prims news or text us at hln, tv, just start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. welcome once again this is "prime news" i'm mime galanos. police in scottsdale, arizona made an arrest in the search for missing baby gabriel johnson. the woman who wanted to adopt it tammy smith faces charges of custodial interference, conspiracy to commit that and forgery. here's the irony in all this. she has said police don't have anything on her. >> in the at all. not at all. >> how could that be? >> there would be nothing they can charge us with because we have done nothing. >> okay. to refresh your memory here, gabriel's biological mother arrested december 30th. police say she drove the baby

from arizona to texas, stayed about a week and she took a bus to florida without little gabriel now refusing to say where he is. she texted the father at one point and told him she killed the little guy also that gave the little baby to a couple in texas. what really happened to this little guy and why the arrest of tammi smith? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln's is the phone number. mike, a lot to sift through but starting with tami smith, from a law enforcement standpoint as an investigator why do you think she's been arrested snirvels? >> she and her husband, they've been out there, talking all -- but, apparently she has told law enforcement a number of different stories. now, you know, what exactly do these different charges have to do with? don't know exactly, but law enforcement searched the home of the smiths january 15th and she said, oh, they don't have anything on me. there's a thing called probable

cause and you need that to arrest somebody. so, you know, did -- and the forgery charge, that's what i'm wondering here. i'm thinking that she most likely forged some kind of legal document. now, you know, there's a guy named craig cherry. johnson listed him as a possible fa thefr baby gabriel. but cherry also said he was related to smith, to tami smith but she never mentioned that to the police and i finding that a little odd. >> can we verify this craig cherry is related to the smiths or elizabeth johnson throwing something against the wall? >> it is believed there is some relationship, they are related somehow, yes. >> okay. in layman's terms, you look at those -- is bottom line she's arrested but police believe she knows more than she is letting on and may know where the little guy is? >> i don't know if she knows that but i think there was more

of a relationship between johnson and her -- and miss smith than what she's leading on to be. what i find interesting, mike, they didn't arrest the husband. you know what's interesting, we had her on hln, "prime news" one night and they were at the police station we had mr. smith on by phone. remember, she was inside the police station talking to law enforcement. so, i think this is when everything started to unravel. >> we had a long conversation with jack smith concerning all. this let's hit on this. you are again surprised he wasn't arrested, as well? is but she's had the conversations with elizabeth johnson in jail. >> exactly. >> that's the difference here, right? >> that is the big difference here. that's i didn't think even if she doesn't know, you know, the -- they make -- lead them closer but the bottom line is where is the baby? you know, they still don't know. and, you know, they were looking at a landfill, they haven't said whether or not they are going to search the landfill in san

antonio, looking at one last week, though, but law enforcement has yet to say whether they are going to search this area they are cordoned off in the landfill. but we've seen too many of these cases, mike lead us to landfills, not a good thing. >> he hasn't been seen since roughly around christmas. >> right. >> over a month now. so, that's a month they could have searched this landfill that authorities have not does that tell you maybe se alive? can we take a piece of good news out of this or am i going too far or being too optimistic. >> you want to be optimistic with such a precious looking baby as this, mike but as we know the longer it goes the less likely the baby is alive but you always hold out hope because elizabeth johnson has been so, you know off the wall, telling her -- the baby's father, you know, that the baby's dead. you know, who's know what it believe from this case. you really don't. >> what other thing, mike, i want to hit you with. authorities, they administer a

polygraph. her test, tami smith's inconclusive. is that a red flag for you, what do you make of that? >> yeah, you know, it's inconclusive means, to me she didn't pass. you know, some people say, well, no inconclusive means they really couldn't draw anything that she was deceptive or she was telling the truth. it's kind of like right in the middle, you know, just couldn't make anything of it. >> let's listen again. tami smith again as this is unfolding let's listen to this and see what we can glean from, this let's listen. >> sure. >> i just could read it in her face that she did not want to be a mother. she finally called and said are you ready to adopt him? >> okay. that was at the beginning of all this. and from what we know, she, the smiths met elizabeth johnson at an airport in indianapolis, how the relationship began and it sounds like they've had gabriel off and on, believe they had him for eight days in december. so, with all that said, i mean,

what do you make of what's going on here, were you ever suspicious of the smiths, mike? >> i always thought and we talked about, this i said there's something here that just bothers me a little bit and that at least one of them we now know it might be her was not telling the complete truth. and now that law enforcement says that she has told a number of different stories and now with this inconclusive polygraph, something's not right here. >> okay. we'll keep following this one, again tami smith arrested in the case. mike, always appreciate it. >> thanks. come uping up, a nightmare a girl in texas. her parents held her about a year in a closet. they let her go to school when she came home, back in the closet. why? mom told cops because she stole food from the fridge. want to hear from you this, also, a bit later, teaching

abstinence-only sex ed in classes. a new study says it can work. big number in favor of abstinence-only education. what do you think? are you buying that? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.

you're not going to believe this new video just into us our first look inside a closet of horror a girl's nightmare she lived. cops in brownsville, texas say she parents locked her inside this filth a year basically where she live. she let her out for school, though, every day. police say when the girl came home, right back into this dungeon. it was so dark, she did her home work by any light through the crack of the door and police say she has plastic bucket, her

bathroom forced to clean it every morning. cops also found in this closet handwriting on the wall, what appears a child's scrawl saying, there you see it, "god bless everyone." joining us to talk about this dr. bruce perry, child psychologist author of "the boy who was raised by a dog" also jasmineyuyota reporter for the "brownsville harold" what was life like as we saw for this girl as we saw in the closet, what more can you tell us? . >> just like you said, she was allowed to good to school every day. she held straed grades but at home not allowed to play with her brothers or watch television. she would do her homework coming from light -- using light coming from underneath the door. the bucket, they would let her out to the restroom during the day and to eat sometimes according to investigators but the bucket was what she would use at night to use the restroom

and every morning would have to clean it up. >> jasmine, what was her physical condition? >> her physical condition she was very malnourished, 12 years old and investigators said she looked 8. she was old enough to be in seventh great but, instead, was in fifth. >> let me read a couple of facebook comments on this. many of you chiming in. vanessa writing. i will never understand the mind of some who call themselves parents. brena, writes -- some should just not be parents. bruce, can you explain this, how someone can do this their own child? >> i wish i could. one of the sad realities most of the time when this occurs and a child is treated this way, the parent usually thinks this is fine. they don't feel there is anything wrong with parenting this way, that is a discipline, the child was misbehaving, styles the parents will think the child is possessed and needs

to be contained. >> oh, brother. >> truly unfortunate. >> jasmine, why was she locked up, the reasons for the parents. >> still under investigation but in an interview the mother said she didn't want her daughter stealing food from the fridge. >> bruce, a quick comment on that, what kind of ridiculous excuse was that and she was malnourished to boot. >> absolutely. that's the kind of flawed and impaired thinking we think in parents that do this to their children. they literally don't understand what healthy parenting or normal parenting is. >> okay. a call in nelson from colorado. your thoughts here? >> caller: yeah. i was raised by [ inaudible ] all my life. when i was growing up, i wasn't locked in a closet but i was locked in my bedroom with no food. i had to turn out the lights when their kids went out to like go roller skating, go to a show, i was made to stay home and they told me right up front that they

didn't care about me. all they was in there for was the money. but this leaves an emotional scar that will never leave. i still have the emotional scar in my heart. >> i'm sure, nelson. >> i have three step-kids and eight loveable grandkids and, let me tell you, my heart is -- when something happens to a child, it just rips my heart apart. i do a lot of benefit -- >> nelson, we've got to run here but thanks again for sharing your sister and i want to pick up on his point. bruce, the scar this must leave. for a 12-year-old girl to live this nightmare. how could she even begin to recover? >> well, these children are scarred, just like nelson said. it impacts not just their mental health but very often their physical health. the process of recovery from that is long. children can get better but the resources required to help them

are tremendous and, unfortunately, they tend to blame themselves for this. they feel that they were punished because they deserved to be punished, something was wrong with them. >> we'll continue this conversation and find out how she was finally found in the closet and talk about that and, also, how does a girl go to school every day, she's 12 but look like she's 8. no one notices? we'll talk about that and take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. finally a study says teaching abstinence in sex-ed classes can work. some convincing numbers. are you convinced? are you willing to take a look? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln taking your calls on this, horrific, a 12-year-old locked in a closet by fo a year by her own parents, let out to go to school but right back in

the closet when she came home. 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. jasmine, so how was it found out, who told authorities that this little girl was in there? >> the little girl had two brothers and a step-brother and one of them reported it to school officials which preceded the investigation by child protective services. >> so, a brother stepped up. what about the brothers, what are they going to deal with, guilty they didn't say something earlier or guilt regarding the parents, what goes on with them? . >> believe me, if these parents did this to the girl that's not the only unhealthy parenting thing they d. i would suspect these boys also had unhealthy developmental experiences in that home, as well. they will have issues of their own. >> tamara from michigan your

thoughts? >> caller: i feel like they need very very harsh punishment. there was a girl here in michigan who their parents -- her parents changed her to the bed you what she says she was unruly and the house caught on fire and she died. almost two years ago to the day. they are actually on trial now and i feel they need to get it before it gets to the point where the children die. >> it is mind boggling a parent could do. this thanks for the call. jazz min, what are the charges they are facing? >> unlawful restraint and also, um -- second injury to a child. >> sorry about that. exactly that. well, when you look at punishment, i didn't even know what we can -- the justice system is even -- what's the best, bruce i'll got to you for that, how can we get a message

across to these parents? like you say, in their mind, they are thinking this is logical parenting. >> exactly. >> where do we begin with them. >> that is one of the biggest issues that even if we did, quote, punish these parents, that's possibly not going to solve the problem. this is more than a issue of not being able to disseminate healthy parenting practices throughout our culture and allowing this stuff to take place. the fact that this girl was in this classroom for those yeerls and this was never identified is really, again, part of this broader problem we are really a child uninformed culture. both in our schools and in the way we teach parenting we're just not getting across the fundamentals of taking care of our children. >> jasmine, did the school ever answer that question, why didn't somebody notice and do something? >> the school has not commented at this point. >> bruce, why would they let her to go school in the first place, wouldn't they think maybe we could get caught or doing

something wrong or doesn't that enter in? >> i don't think they really thought they were doing anything that wrong and because of that they didn't think they would, quote, get caught. that's where the -- that's what is so astound, that these people can do these things to children and not be aware that these are so damaging. >> we know that the little girl is in foster care, the three brothers with family. bruce, real quick, can she ever be reunited with this family? what's best for her? >> i would hope there are some people in the extended family who are healthy and productive and don't believe these are good practices and that she should be able to have, i would hope, some connections with and good relationships with her brothers, for sure. >> yeah. okay. dr. bruce perry, thanks so much. jasmine, you as well. coming up a uj debate how to teach kids about sex, abstinence-only, safer sex, both? a new study says don't rule our abstinence-only. it can work. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. not long ago, this man had limited mobility.

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call the scooter store today. welcome back to "prime news" on hln, continuing our conversation a study just out saying abstinence-only education can be very effective. the author is with us. john, the kids who took abstinence-only education were least likely to have sex so that education seems a success. would you go as far to say based on this study schools should teach abstinence-only? >> no, i would not. i think that what we need when you have an epidemic of sexually transmitted disease and unintended pregnancy, you need a variety of different types of

interventions. and in some parts of the country, an abstinence-only message is the only acceptable one now we have an intervention that can be used in those communities. >> and it worked, though. it worked in this case. >> it worked. >> it should be on the table, in other words, would you say that? >> yes, it should be on the table, one of the interventions that are selected. >> james wagner, your take on this. abstinence-only education worked in this case does. it change your view on it and should it be on the table? >> i think john deserves a lot of credit deserving the best type of program he could and making sure this is well removed from the failed bush programs riddled with misinformation and scare tactics. when you do not give any young people information about condoms or birth control you put their

longer-term health at risk. as he knows there were one in four in his study already sexually active prior to the course and they still need that information to help protect themselves. when you look at the united states, mike, we're at a point by age 1750% of young people have had sex. by the age of 19, that goes up to 70%. we need programs to put scarce government money into programs that do both. >> okay. i mean, forget the bush administration, let's just look at this case here. this worked and i'm sure parents at home go, abstinence-only worked, beat safe sex teaching by 20%. i think i would like abstinence-only. how will you talk them out of that? it worked. >> you are missing the middle ground here comprehensive our john calls in his study the combined program that has abstinence messages about birth control. why? the price for one you get --

>> i hear you. the numbers i'm seeing says abstinence beat all of them talking about delaying sex for the young sixth and seventh grader. >> if i could interject something here i would say we can't make decisions about the combined approach based on this alone because a substantial body of evidence showing those programs actually do work and i, you know, i'm not a partisan here. i mean, i've developed several comprehensive, you know, combined interventions and they have worked. so, what's new here is now that we -- now we have an abstinence-only intervention that, also works. >> right. that's -- back to what we said a moment ago, it should be on the table. it should be something that educators or parents should be able to employ and this says it can be effective. a couple of calls. >> caller: -- and worse than nothing at all in most cases over the long term. this one was hoofed back a

couple of years from most of the previous studies so that the results were taken in the eighth and ninth grade. do you think that's the end of high school, when these people would have results? >> no. maybe you could be right with more age -- you know, we've got to change the message with the different age groups. john, would you say that? >> i would agree with that 100%. with younger adolescents, maybe an abstinence-only message can be more successful than with older adolescents. >> right. lance in virginia, your thoughts? >> caller: i absolutely do not think that abstinence-only is the best method. i mean, who is going to teach this and be convincing, sarah palin, her own daughter, bristol, was not a success with abstinence-only education. >> do you have kids, lance? >> yes, i have a 12-year-old, a seventh grader just beginning to learn this kind of education in school here in virginia and it is not abstinence-only and i would not want it to be because i think kids need to be advised

that it's better to wait until a relationship is mature and, you know, people can be responsible if a child should come into play but birth control -- >> don't you want your child to wait, lance -- >> caller: all have to be made aware to the kids. how else will they protect themselves. >> hopefully at home, hopefully you are teaching and parents doing good a good job. lance, don't you want your son to wait? >> caller: while he's a teenager i would never want that for my son or anyone else's son. obviously, i want him to be aware, you know, and to be safe. and if he decides to become sexually active, you know, later on after he has the driver's license, like many teenagers do, i want him to be ready and aware of the risks, you know, and for the females out there, they should be advised about birth control, a morning-after pill because it is a two-way street. both sexes need to be aware

what's going on to protect them self and do the right thing. we don't want pregnant kids going to the prom. >> no, we don't but i oeng thanks for the call, lance. number one it starts at home. i believe parents have to be first and foremost laying the groundwork with their values taught to their kids and don't want a school to undercut that and john agrees, with this study, abstinence, just knock it out. i think we need to continue to work together what's the best message for our kids, sixth grade, seventh grade or in high school. james, the final shot. >> knowledge, information is the cornerstone of responsible decisionmaking. let's give young people all the tools they need, strong message on abstinence but also information about condoms and birth control. >> guys, spirited conversation we appreciate it. john, james, thanks so much. coming up, we're looking at some violence here a wild fight during a high school basketball game a couple girls start brawls

in the hauls and spill into the court. is it ever okay it taze a high school student? 1-877-tell-hln's the number. mike brooks, waiting in the wings.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln, video of a wild fight during a high school basketball

game in pennsylvania. starting when two girls from rival high schools were getting into it in the hallway. escalated from there and spilled onto the basketball court and cops ended up tazing one student. let's take a look. okay. there you go. he was running from authorities. he gets tazed. it was intense. you see it there. we want to know was it necessary, did cops go too far, the best way to go? 1-877-tell-hln. hln law enforcement analyst mike brook with us. facebook poll is it okay to faze a high school student. right now 85% of the folks on the poll say, yes, it is. mike, what do you think, as you look at, this looking at this and see the kid running and gets tazed and everyone is in an uproar. is that a pitfull of tazing a kid at that point or do you say that's the way to get control.

>> you know, mike, these are tools law enforcement are given to situations like. this you didn't see them down on the floor but then we saw that other incident where the kid goes to the floor after they taze him and gets up and throws him coat off like he wants to come back at administrators and police and they put him on the floor and handcuff him. they are given a taser, what if they peppersprayed everybody, the kids. everybody would be in uproar or a collapsable baton, everybody would be up in arms then. this is one of the ways you have to use control of someone not being compliant. did you see the kid -- any injuries to this young man? no. he goes -- he runs on down the hadway. >> let me pick a facebook comment from kristen, mike. and she says, no, it's not okay because what if one of the students had a preexisting condition. do you take that into account, yes, a volatile situation. >> yeah >> your comments on that

to answer her question. >> there's always a possibility that someone could have some kind of pre-existing condition. but, if you looking at statistics for someone -- people tazed some people say they have killed people. no, they have not, anyone who has been tazed usually had alcohol or drugs on board and combination or by itself with a pre-existing condition. but, you know, you are supposed to have a sign around everyone's neck that says, i have a pacemaker, i have, you know, a heart issue? no, you don't. you don't act up. that's the thing. do what authorities are telling you to do. this is a high school, mike. if i acted like this in high school the brothers of the priest -- i went to catholic high school they would have dealt with me and called my dad and when i got home would have gotten far worse than tazer. >> wanda writes, if a person is out of control and threat to others, yes, teenagers should be

tazed. >> they were using, you know, you didn't see the barbs. a lot of people say i didn't see the barbs come out. no, you made contact with someone it is called a drive stun. that's one of the options you can use, you pull the cartridge off and use a drive stun, what they were using. >> is that less powerful? >> the same amount but just kind of touches to them and gives you a sudden jolt and doesn't just keep on, as long as you are pulling on the trigger with the two barbs inside of you. >> erica with us from california. what do you think? >> caller: i think that just because it's a high school, i mean, i'm only 18 myself and i've had to deal with stuff like this, you know, my whole life kids being obnoxious and stuff like that. i think because of a basketball game and a younger student doesn't mean they should refrain from tazing him that's what needs to be done. if he's scaring people and a disrupting others they should do whatever needs to be done.

>> faze poceboofacebook, that's question. over 80% say, it is okay to taze a high school students. mike, if you don't use one, what other methods do you use to control a crowd like. this tall takes is one guy to throw a punch and you have mayhem. >> that's it. the other thing law enforcement has is pepper spray but, of course, people complain again law enforcement went for a far using pepper spray to control a crowd. you know, i mean, these are things you use to get control of a crowd. and, you know, in this particular case here, we saw that incident and just prior to that, we saw the kid on the side of the stands tussling with an administrator. i think that was the young man who was in question here whose parents were complaining because they grabbed him and he turned around and came back at them, when the officer used a taser, took him to the ground then he got up and threw his coat of. >> the guy you are talking about here. >> yeah, exactly. >> as always, thanks for your

expertise government to facebook and continue voting on that. this story is quite a journey for an "american idol" contestant. angela martin is her name, she goes back a few years, season seven makes it to hollywood a week after her father is murder. last year she makes it again and has to go to court for a traffic ticket and this year back in hollywood and her mom is missing.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. you know, we love the stories on "american idol," kids overcoming long odds. one story in particular struck me and i'm sure, the story of angela martin. she goes back a couple years auditioned season seven made it to hollywood a week after her father was murdered. she got cut that season then last year again makes it to the top 50 but had to go to court, cut again. this season, back better than

ever. take a listen to part of her audition in chicago. ♪ ain't no time for negative vibes ♪ ♪ it's been a long year, i put in my hardest ♪ ♪ gonna live my life, feels so good to get it right ♪ >> good choice of song, too. she's been through it. >> the right attitude and shows in your voice. >> people like you, singers like you i really like doing this show, you are really talented, you need a break and -- >> there you go again a great story but her troubles again not over. her mother is missing. let's bring in the host for celebtv.com also michelle golland clinical psychologist and check out more thoughts on momlogic.com. kelly, start with her mom. what do we know, where is she, when was she last season, what you can tell us? >> we know she left at

christmastime driving into the suburbs of chicago to see one of the sisters and just disappeared. now, angela has said that in it the past her mother has had problem with drugs and may have had a relapse and just overwhelmed by all the problems in the family because angela has a daughter with rett's syndrome and thought my poor mother is overwhelmed and veered off into is the deep end again now she's saying, mom, i don't care what you're doing, i love you no matter what. just let us know you are okay. >> let's listen, again angela martin recent interview talking about her mom. let's hear what she had to say. >> you know, a lot of stress has been on my mom and for her to be the only parent and have to worry about her kids, you know, i think she really had a nervous breakdown and just, you know, left or relapsed or something like that. but, we just want to know if she did that, you know, someone just call and let us know she's alive. >> okay. kelly, pretty much going along with what you had said.

isn't "idol" breaking its rule letting her speak to media about this situation? >> you know, ryan said on his radio show and they've said that in several other outlets they broke the silence, which they never it let these contestants talk but really is this a sense of urgency to find the mother and letting her speak to a few outlets to get her message out there. she's just saying if anyone has seen her, they've shown a picture, please help in any way possible. >> michelle, let's talk -- >> angela -- >> go ahead, michelle. let's talk about the ri s able o perform with her mom missing. >> yeah. it's amazing. she obviously is a very strong young woman. i mean, she lost her father to a murder. and then now dealing with her mother missing. and a mother who has had drug issues and herself with a sister

with a pervasive disorder. that is a challenging diagnosis for a child. >> rett's syndrome. isn't that multiple seizures. >> yes. but it is on the aspberger's spectrum of disorders. it is pervasive. the child can have developmental dislays and social and emotional issues. it is extremely challenging. >> we are going take a quick break. angela martin has been through so much. now her own mom is missing as she tries to pursue her "american idol" dream.

look at that. a tiny closet, a 12-year-old girl's dungeon of hell for a year, her own parents accused of locking her away. why? mom told police she was scared the girl would steal food from the refrigerator. that's why you lock up your 12-year-old for a year? plus this, a brawl in a basketball game. two girls from rival schools get into a fight in the hallway then the brawl spreads onto the court. players get involved and one students gets tasered. kids screaming and running, you look at, this okay.

is tasing teens the best way to handle this? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. e-mail us at cnn.com/primenews or text us at hlntv, just start your message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. welcome. this is hour number two of "prime news." police have made an arrest in the case of missing baby gabriel johnson. the woman who wanted to adopt it tammy smith faces charges of custodial interference, conspiracy to commit that and forgery. here's the irony in all this. she has said police don't have anything on her. let's listen. >> not at all. not at all. >> how could that be? >> there would be nothing they can charge us with because we have done nothing. >> okay. to refresh your memory here, gabriel's biological mother elizabeth johnson was arrested december 30th. police say she drove the baby

from tempe, arizona, to san antonio, texas, stayed about a week and she took a bus to florida without little baby gabriel. now refusing to say where he is. she texted the father at one point and told him she killed the little guy also that gave the little baby to a couple in texas. what really happened to this little guy and why the arrest of tammi smith? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln's is the phone number. back with us mike brooks, and joining us michelle sigona. she is following this story on her website michellesigona.com. tell us what you know about the arrest of tammi smith? >> just after 11:30 a.m. she was arrested and charged with the charges you just mentioned. from that point on she is being held and we will wait to see what comes out of this. some of the charges, conspiracy

to commit custodial interference. maybe because she was having communication with elizabeth when she took baby gabriel out of town. so when investigators went in on that search warrant january 15th who knows what she found in her computer, inside of documents that may have helped bring forth these charges, including the forgery charge. she made contradicting statements early on to say she didn't know anything about it but then again she did say she was, in fact, the person who did actually put the name on that birth certificate document, which was not logan mccleary's name. >> mike, you have fresh info on this. let's take further what michelle is talking about. craig cherry, we talked about it last hour. >> craig cherry and tammi smith are cousins. there is a custody dispute

between johnson and logan mcqueary. they wanted to adopt baby gabriel. the ex-boyfriend says i'm not agreeing to it. it was tammie smith who put craig cherry's name on the document in this dispute between logan mcgs queary and elizabeth johnson. that he was the potential father of baby gabriel. the forgery, conspiracy to commit custodial interference and the other charge. the whole thing is we still don't know where baby gabriel is. remember, you and i were talking about this last hour. we were talking to jack smith when tammi was in with law enforcement one night on hln and

apparently that is when everything started to unraffle. >> let's cut to the chase on that front, michelle. we have this adoption forgery possibility. >> possibility. >> beyond that, do you get the feeling and the sense that tammie smith knows more than what she is letting on where this baby is? >> it very well may be a possibility. the smiths have come out and spoken out numerous times and have made statements that sometimes aren't accurate. the sergeant in the tempe police department have spoken about that in the past. number two, this doesn't say maybe they are responsible for where gabriel is but she may have more information she has not come forward with. maybe this is a way based on the search warrant to crack down on these charges and have her come forward with more information. i did have communication with logan over text message earlier

today. he is in tucson, arizona, passing out flyers. he is retracing the steps that elizabeth took to help find his son. he is stopping by all hotels and motels along the way and any businesses to pass out flyers about gabriel. >> tammi smith has not been forthcoming with police. she's never said that craig cherry was her cousin. >> michelle, did you get a reaction about the arrest from logan? >> i did. he was extremely busy. he sent a quick text message. i'm on the road. i'm in tucson. he and i will probably touch base. he wants to continue to get the word out about his son. he is obviously very concerned, very upset and will do whatever he can to get his son back. >> you as an investigator know you have to like that tammi smith is in custody and she can

answer some questions. >> absolutely. as long as she doesn't lawyer up, mike. her husband jack has not been charged. >> do you expect that to happen any time soon? >> maybe, maybe not. it sounds like it is all her dealing with elizabeth johnson. >> michelle, do you expect jack smith to be arrested? >> tammi has the most interaction with elizabeth. in jail, also before and now even after. >> okay. guys, thanks again. we'll keep following this. our thoughts and prayers are with baby gabriel. a nightmare for a 12-year-old girl. police in texas say her parents held her in a closet for a year. they let her out to go to school, when she came home right back in the closet. it is unthinkable. we'll talk about that. also this, teaching abstinence

only education to our kids in school, new study says it can be effective. maybe it is the way to go.

you're not going to believe this new video just into us our first look inside a closet of horror a girl's nightmare she lived. cops in brownsville, texas say her own parents locked her up in this filth for a year. this is basically where she lived. she let her out for school, though, every day. police say when the girl came home, right back into this dungeon.

it was so dark, she did her home work by any light through the crack of the door and police say she has plastic bucket, her bathroom forced to clean it every morning. cops also found in this closet handwriting on the wall, what appears a child's scrawl saying, there you see it, "god bless everyone." wow. take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about this dr. bruce perry, child psychologist author of "the boy who was raised by a dog" also jasmine yuyota reporter for the "brownsville herald." what was life like as we saw for this little girl? as we just saw the closet. what more can you tell us? >> just like you said, she was allowed to good to school every day. she held straed grades but at home not allowed to play with her brothers or watch television. she would do her homework coming from light -- using light coming from underneath the door. the bucket, they would let her

out to the restroom during the day and to eat sometimes according to investigators but the bucket was what she would use at night to use the restroom and every morning would have to clean it up. >> jasmine, what was her physical condition? >> her physical condition she was very malnourished, 12 years old and investigators said she looked 8. she was old enough to be in seventh great but, instead, was in fifth. >> let me read a couple of facebook comments on this. many of you chiming in. vanessa writing. i will never understand the mind of some who call themselves parents. brena, writes -- some should just not be parents. bruce, can you explain this, how someone can do this their own child? >> i wish i could. one of the sad realities most of the time when this occurs and a child is treated this way, the parent usually thinks this is fine. they don't feel there is anything wrong with parenting this way, that is a discipline, the child was misbehaving,

sometimes the parent will think the child is possessed and needs to be contained. >> oh, brother. >> truly unfortunate. >> jasmine, why was she locked up? what was the reasoning from the parents? >> still under investigation but in an interview the mother said she didn't want her daughter stealing food from the fridge. >> bruce, a quick comment on that, what kind of ridiculous excuse was that and she was malnourished to boot. >> absolutely. that's the kind of flawed and impaired thinking that we see in parents that do this to their children. they literally don't understand what healthy parenting or normal parenting is. >> okay. let's get a call in. nelson from colorado. your thoughts here? >> caller: yeah. i was raised by [ inaudible ] all my life. when i was growing up, i wasn't locked in a closet but i was locked in my bedroom with no food. i had to turn out the lights when their kids went out to like go roller skating, go to a show, i was made to stay home and they

told me right up front that they didn't care about me. all they was in there for was the money. but this leaves an emotional scar that will never leave. i still have the emotional scar in my heart. >> i'm sure, nelson. >> i have three stepkids and eight loveable grandkids and, let me tell you, my heart is -- when something happens to a child, it just rips my heart apart. i do a lot of benefit -- >> nelson, we've got to run here but thanks again for sharing your story. i want to pick up on nelson's point. bruce, the scar this must leave. for a 12-year-old girl to live this nightmare. how could she even begin to recover? >> well, these children are scarred, just like nelson said. it impacts not just their mental health but very often their physical health. the process of recovery from that is long. children can get better but the

resources required to help them are tremendous and, unfortunately, they tend to blame themselves for this. they feel that they were punished because they deserved to be punished, something was wrong with them. >> we'll continue this conversation and find out how she was finally found in the closet and talk about that and, also, how does a girl go to school every day, she's 12 but look like she's 8. no one notices? we'll talk about that and take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. and also this -- finally a study says teaching abstinence in sex-ed classes can work. some convincing numbers. are you convinced? are you willing to take a look? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln taking your calls on this, horrific, a 12-year-old locked in a closet for a year by her own parents, let out to

go to school but right back in the closet when she came home. 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. jasmine yuyo from "the brownsville herald." so how was it found out? who told authorities that this little girl was in there? >> the little girl had two brothers and a step-brother and one of them reported it to school officials which initiated the investigation by child protective services. >> so, a brother stepped up. dr. bruce perry is with us, author of "the boy who was raised as a dog." what about the brothers, what are they going to deal with, guilt they didn't say something sooners? guilt about the parents? what goes on with them? >> believe me, if these parents did this to the girl that's not the only unhealthy parenting thing they d. i would suspect these boys also had unhealthy developmental experiences in that home, as well. they will have issues of their

own. >> tamara from michigan your thoughts? >> caller: i feel like they need very very harsh punishment. there was a girl here in michigan who their parents -- her parents changed her to the bed you what she says she was unruly and the house caught on fire and she died. almost two years ago to the day. she died in february, 2008. they are actually on trial now and i feel they need to get it before it gets to the point where the children die. >> it is mind boggling a parent could do. thanks for the call. jasmine, what are the charges the parents are facing? >> unlawful restraint and also, um -- second injury to a child. >> sorry about that. exactly that. well, when you look at punishment, i didn't even know what we can -- the justice system is even -- what's the best, bruce i'll got to you for that, how can we get a message across to these parents?

like you say, in their mind, they are thinking this is logical parenting. >> exactly. >> where do we begin with them. >> that is one of the biggest issues that even if we did, quote, punish these parents, that's possibly not going to solve the problem. this is more than a issue of not being able to disseminate healthy parenting practices throughout our culture and allowing this stuff to take place. the fact that this girl was in this classroom for those year s and this was never identified is really, again, part of this broader problem we are really a child uninformed culture. both in our schools and in the way we teach parenting we're just not getting across the fundamentals of taking care of our children. >> jasmine, did the school ever answer that question, why didn't somebody notice and do something? >> the school has not commented at this point. >> bruce, why would they let her to go school in the first place, wouldn't they think maybe we could get caught or doing

something wrong or doesn't that enter in? >> i see, i think it goes back to what i said earlier. i think they don't think they were really doing anything wrong and that's why they didn't think they would get caught. that's where the -- that's what is so astound, that these people can do these things to children and not be aware that these are so damaging. >> we know that the little girl is in foster care, the three brothers with family. bruce, real quick, can she ever be reunited with this family? what's best for her? >> i would hope there are some people in the extended family who are healthy and productive and don't believe these are good practices and that she should be able to have, i would hope, some connections with and good relationships with her brothers, for sure. coming up a uj debate how to teach kids about sex, abstinence-only, safer sex,

both? a new study says don't rule our abstinence-only.

[ music ] >> welcome to comcast local edition, i'm donna richardson, and my guest this hour is leslie prewitt, director of external operations, opportunity builders. good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> can you tell the viewers about opportunity builders incorporated and what exactly the organization does? >> absolutely. we have been around for 47. we were started in 1962. we provokessa provide training d

rehabilitation. >> what are the services you offer your clients? >> there are 170 that stay in our warehouse that do packaging then we have 180 individuals that go out and work for local employer. >> you have the employers who are helping out and also having the contracts to give those, like you said, in the warehouse employment possibilities. >> absolutely. we're always looking to new contracts to fulfill, inside of our warehouse and then outside we're always looking for new employers to hire our adults. >> now all of this, i know it takes funding, and you've got a fund-raiser coming up. >> right. >> so tell us about your mardi gras. >> well, hence the beads so you know why i'm wearing beads.

we are very proud of our 12th annual mardi gras. we have live music, we have a casino, an auction, great food, beer, wine, and ice cream and it's a great night and a lot of fun. >> it does sound like a lot of fun. how much are the tickets to be able to enjoy all this fun? >> the tickets are $50 each. >> very, very reasonable, and it sounds like you're getting a huge value with the opportunity of the casinos and the great food and the auctions and the dancing. >> uh-huh. >> so with this, because i know it takes a lot of dollars in order to run the program, how do you plan to use the proceeds? >> the proceeds will help with our operating expenses, especially with the downturn in the economy and budget cuts, we will be using it to assist the

organization. >> leslie, i do have a question. how do your clients become a part of opportunity builders? >> they are funded for the developmental disability administration. if someone is interested, if a family is interested in having family members participate in an opportunity with opportunity builders, they would call and then we would direct them to our director of employment that would start them through the process of the program. >> once they're in the program, do you also provide training before the clients either work in the warehouse or go out to work with your partner businesses? >> absolutely. in the warehouse, we do have an instructor to assist individuals with each contract, and as far as the individuals who go out into the community and work, we do training for those individuals. they have a one on one coach so we'll make sure the individual

knows how to do the job before we have them working on their own. >> in going back to mardi gras, do you need any volunteers to help out, because that's a big undertaking you have so many different activities going on? >> absolutely. we can always use volunteers, but we can always use the ticket sales, and that's really a big emphasis for us, ticket sales and sponsorships. >> exactly. so there are sponsorship opportunities available? >> absolutely. >> how can they reach you if they want to buy tickets or become a sponsor? they can call our office. >> perfect. well, leslie, thanks so much for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> our guest this hour is less by prior to director of external operations at opportunity

builders. for comcast local edition, i'm donna richardson. [ music ]

welcome back to "prime news" on hln, continuing our conversation a study just out saying abstinence-only education can be very effective. the author is with us. john, the kids who took abstinence-only education were least likely to have sex so that education seems a success. would you go as far to say based on this study schools should teach abstinence-only? >> no, i would not. i think that what we need when you have an epidemic of sexually transmitted disease and unintended pregnancy, you need a variety of different types of interventions. and in some parts of the

country, an abstinence-only message is the only acceptable one now we have an intervention that can be used in those communities. >> and it worked, though. it worked in this case. >> it worked. >> it should be on the table, in other words, would you say that? >> yes, it should be on the table, one of the interventions that are selected. >> james wagoner, your take on this. abstinence-only education worked in this case does. it change your view on it and should it be on the table? >> i think john deserves a lot of credit for designing the best abstinence only program he could and making sure this is well removed from the failed bush programs riddled with misinformation and scare tactics. the problem is the only. when you do not give any young people information about condoms or birth control you put their long-term health and well being

at risk. as he knows there were one in four in his study already sexually active prior to the course and these young people still need that information to help them protect themselves. when you look at the united states, mike, we're at a point by age 17 50% of people have had sex. by the age of 19, that goes up to 70%. we need programs to put scarce government money into programs that do both. >> okay. i mean, forget the bush administration, let's just look at this case here. this worked and i'm sure parents at home go, abstinence-only worked, beat safe sex teaching by 20%. i think i would like abstinence-only. how will you talk them out of that? it worked. >> you are missing the middle ground here. which is comprehensive or what john calls in his study the combined program that has abstinence messages and contraception and birth control. that's the way to go. why? the price for one you get --

>> i hear you. the numbers i'm seeing says abstinence beat all of them talking about delaying sex for the young sixth and seventh grader. >> if i could interject something here i would say we can't make decisions about the combined approach based on this alone because a substantial body of evidence showing those programs actually do work and i, you know, i'm not a partisan here. i mean, i've developed several comprehensive, you know, combined interventions and they have worked. so, what's new here is now that we -- now we have an abstinence-only intervention that also works. >> right. that's -- back to what we said a moment ago, it should be on the table. it should be something that educators or parents should be able to employ and this says it can be effective. a couple of calls. everette in texas. >> caller: abstinence only has been shown to have short-term effects only. and worse than nothing at all in most cases

over the long term. this one was moved back a couple of years from most of the previous studies so that the results were taken in the eighth and ninth grade. do you think that's the end of high school, when these people would have results? >> no. maybe you could be right with more age -- you know, we've got to change the message with the different age groups. john, would you say that? >> i would agree with that 100%. with younger adolescents, maybe an abstinence-only message can be more successful than with older adolescents. >> right. lance in virginia, your thoughts? >> caller: i absolutely do not think that abstinence-only is the best method. i mean, who is going to teach this and be convincing, sarah palin, her own daughter, bristol, was not a success with abstinence-only education. >> do you have kids, lance? >> yes, i have a 12-year-old, a seventh grader just beginning to learn this kind of education in school here in virginia and it is not abstinence-only and i would not want it to be because i think kids need to be advised that it's better to wait until a

relationship is mature and, you know, people can be responsible if a child should come into play but birth control -- >> don't you want your child to wait, lance -- >> caller: all have to be made aware to the kids. how else will they protect themselves. >> hopefully at home, hopefully you are teaching and parents doing good a good job. lance, don't you want your son to wait? >> caller: while he's a teenager i would never want that for my son or anyone else's son. obviously, i want him to be aware, you know, and to be safe. and if he decides to become sexually active, you know, later on after he has the driver's license, like many teenagers do, i want him to be ready and aware of the risks, you know, and for the females out there, they should be advised about birth control, a morning-after pill because it is a two-way street. it takes two to tango. both sexes need to be aware what's going on to protect them self and do the right thing.

we don't want pregnant kids going to the prom. >> no, we don't. but we do want -- thanks for the call, lance. number one it starts at home. i believe parents have to be first and foremost laying the groundwork with their values taught to their kids and don't want a school to undercut that and john agrees, with this study, abstinence, just knock it out. i think we need to continue to work together what's the best message for our kids, sixth grade, seventh grade or in high school. james, the final shot. >> knowledge, information is the cornerstone of responsible decision making. let's give young people all the tools they need, strong message on abstinence but also information about condoms and birth control. >> guys, spirited conversation we appreciate it. john, james, thanks so much. coming up, we're looking at some violence here a wild fight during a high school basketball game a couple girls start brawls in the halls. it spills on to the basketball court.

next thing you know cops tase a kid. down he goes. is it ever okay to tase a high school student? that is our facebook question and we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. mike brooks, our expert, waiting in the wings.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln, video of a wild fight during a high school basketball

game in pennsylvania. starting when two girls from rival high schools were getting into it in the hallway. escalated from there and spilled onto the basketball court and cops ended up tazing one student. let's take a look. >> oh, my god. >> okay. there you go. he was running from authorities. he gets tasered. it was intense. you see it there. we want to know was it necessary, did cops go too far, the best way to go? 1-877-tell-hln. hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks back with us. go to facebook. poll on there, is it ever okay to tase a high school student? right now 85% of the folks on the poll say, yes, it is. mike, what do you think, as you look at, this looking at this and see the kid running and gets tazed and everyone is in an uproar. is that one of the pitfalls of

tasing a kid at that point or do you say that's the way to get control. >> you know, mike, these are tools law enforcement are given to situations like. this you didn't see them down on the floor but then we saw that other incident where the kid goes to the floor after they taze him and gets up and throws his coat off like he wants to come back at administrators and police and they put him on the floor and handcuff him. they are given a taser, what if they pepper sprayed everybody, the kids. everybody would be in uproar or a collapsable baton, everybody would be up in arms then. of a collapsible baton. everybody would be up in arms then. this is one of the ways you have to use control of someone not being compliant. did you see the kid -- any injuries to this young man? no. he goes -- he runs on down the hallway. >> let me pick a facebook comment from kristen, mike. and she says, no, it's not okay because what if one of the students had a preexisting condition. do you take that into account, yes, you've got a volatile

situation? your comments on that to answer her question. >> there's always a possibility that someone could have some kind of pre-existing condition. but, if you looking at statistics for someone -- people tazed some people say they have killed people. no, they have not, anyone who has been tazed usually had alcohol or drugs on board and combination or by itself with a pre-existing condition. but, you know, you are supposed to have a sign around everyone's neck that says, i have a pacemaker, i have, you know, a heart issue? no, you don't. you don't act up. that's the thing. do what authorities are telling you to do. this is a high school, mike. if i acted like this in high school the brothers of the priest -- i went to catholic high school they would have dealt with me and called my dad and when i got home would have gotten far worse than tazer. justin writes the whole point of a taser is to get control without hurting them. >> wanda writes, if a person is out of control and threat to others, yes, teenagers should be tazed. go to facebook.

is it okay to tase a high school student? >> they were using, you know, you didn't see the barbs. a lot of people say i didn't see the barbs come out. no, you made contact with someone it is called a drive stun. that's one of the options you can use, you pull the cartridge off and use a drive stun, what they were using. >> is that less powerful? >> the same amount but just kind of touches to them and gives you a sudden jolt and doesn't just keep on, as long as you are pulling on the trigger with the two barbs inside of you. >> erica with us from california. what do you think? >> caller: i think that just because it's a high school, i mean, i'm only 18 myself and i've had to deal with stuff like this, you know, my whole life kids being obnoxious and stuff like that. i think because of a basketball game and a younger student doesn't mean they should refrain from tasing him if that's what needs to be done. if he's scaring people and a disrupting others they should do whatever needs to be done. >> facebook, that's our poll question.

when is it okay, is it ever okay to tase a high school student. over 80% say, it is okay to taze a high school students. mike, if you don't use one, what other methods do you use to control a crowd like. because all it fakes is one guy to throw a punch and you have mayhem. >> that's it. the other thing law enforcement has is pepper spray but, of course, people complain again law enforcement went too far using pepper spray to control a crowd. you know, i mean, these are things you use to get control of a crowd. and, you know, in this particular case here, we saw that incident and just prior to that, we saw the kid on the side of the stands tussling with an administrator. i think that was the young man who was in question here whose parents were complaining because they grabbed him and he turned around and came back at them, when the officer used a taser, took him to the ground then he got up and threw his coat of. like he wanted to come at the officers again. >> the guy you are talking about here. >> yeah, exactly.

breaking news, michael jackson's doctor is expected to surrender to authorities within the next 24 to 48 hours. conrad murray ready to answer charges.

welcome back to "prime news" on hln. breaking news. michael jackson's doctor is expected to surrender on charges this week related to the pop star's death. he is in los angeles and his lawyer says he is more than ready to surrender and answer any charges. michael jackson died june 25th of an overdose. murray says nothing he gave him should have killed him. jim moret, author of the new

book "last day of my life" ted rowland. ted, give us the latest when and where will conrad murray surrender? >> that is a big question. here is what we are getting from murray's legal team, they are expecting within the next 24 to 48 hours there will be a surrender of some sort. they hope murray will turn himself in away from the cameras at the courthouse. getting in and out of the courthouse without being seen is virtually impossible. what they are trying to avoid is that shot that will be played time and time again of him in handcuffs. they want to surrender at the courthouse rather than have the police arrest him. they haven't heard anything specific from the d.a. he came to los angeles in anticipation of this. his lawyer ed chertoff is in los

angeles in anticipation of charges being filed. >> jim moret, what are the charges? we heard involuntary manslaughter with that you have to prove gross negligence. your thoughts on that? >> i think that is probably the most likely charge. we know propofol you can't get yourself yet michael jackson had it in his home. you know you don't give it to yourself. murray has admitted he gave propofol to michael jackson. the actions of one person illegal and possibly contributing to or causing michael jackson's death. you have the gross negligence and possibly involuntary manslaughter charge coming out of that. what ted was talking about, murray's team wants to avoid that perp walk, that shot he's right. you see it over and over.

your client in handcuffs. they are presumed guilty when you see somebody in cuffs walking in and out of the police station. that is what they are trying to avoid. i suppose by trying to agreeing to surrender he is not a flight risk. he can possibly get bail out on these charges while the charges are pending. that is what they are trying to negotiate now i'm guessing. >> here is the timeline when you talk about gross negligence. propofol is the last thing. valium 2:00 a.m., anti-anxiety drug, finally, 10:40, michael jackson demands propofol. and he ends up dead. is is it the cocktail of

medications? >> presumably dr. conrad murray was the last person with michael jackson and the only doctor in the house and he was under dr. murray's care. i don't care if somebody says i want propofol, you can't give it to them. first of all, you need certain medical equipment to make sure their breathing is stable. for somebody to monitor their vital signs. they didn't have the equipment there. there was no anesthesiologist there. it was all up to dr. con regard murray. if things are not being done according to medical protocol and if you can't get the substance, and you look at the cocktail, it's all this in totality. >> and one thing i should point out, mike, is that we don't have the toxicology yet, so there could be more involved here in michael jackson's system that dr. murray didn't give to jackson that could come out in court. we're going to have a lot of experts when this -- >> great point. thanks guys.

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