tv Nancy Grace HLN February 4, 2010 8:00pm-9:00pm EST
8:00 pm
breaking news tonight. a 5-year-old girl tucked into bed. five hours later, she's gone. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little hayleigh. last person to see her alive? new stepmother, 18-year-old misty croslin who takes to the airwaves to claim she's innocent. but in one interview she can't keep her story straight. in a lie detector, she flunked. after hayleigh's father, ronald
8:01 pm
cummings and baby-sitter turned stepmother, mystery croslin, both handcuffed, arrested, booked. as we go to air, more jailhouse tapes, video and audio and hours, hours of misty croslin yakking. hours of visits with mommy, daddy, grandmother, brother, all caught on video. at this hour, investigators combing the tapes for evidence that may help find hayleigh. croslin, cracking behind bars, desperate, sobbing to get out of jail now. as mitting to repeat drug sales, even ratting out her own brother on a felony. and claims tonight from behind bars her drug deals are to blame for little hayleigh's disappearance. why? then she reveals she's got
8:02 pm
information she will use to get out of jail. this as we learn the same bounty hunter who bailed out tot mom, casey anthony, now considering the same thing for croslin. evidence emerging, croslin did not want to be bothered baby-sitting the night hayleigh disappears. with hayleigh's father still in isolation tonight, pressure mounting. where is 5-year-old hayleigh?
8:04 pm
good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. as we go to air, we obtain more jailhouse tapes. secretly recorded video and audio. hours of misty croslin yakking, including hours of visits with mommy, daddy, grandmother, brother, all caught on video. at this hour, investigators combing the tapes for evidence that may help find hayleigh.
8:05 pm
8:06 pm
straight out to art harris, investigative journalist at arthar is.com. i understand there's actually a possibility that leonard padilla may try to bail her out. >> i have spoken to leonard padilla, he says he's very willing to do it. but he needs some blessing from her lawyer. i know he's in touch, or trying to be in touch with the family but has not gotten the green light yet. >> art harris, what else is happening? more of these jailhouse audio and videotapes released. hours of her talking to mother, dad daddy, grandmother, brother. and, in fact, i noticed in one of these tapes as we were all listening to them, she says, well, i might go ahead and break down and talk to investigators and tell them something in order to get out.
8:07 pm
>> she does say that, nancy. it's unclear what that is. and, you know, who needs detectives when you have, you know, a defendant accused speaking freely, confessing to her parents, which, you know, can -- you know, they can use these tapes in court. and she's saying one thing after another that's burying her in the drug case. but what people want to know and investigators want to know is what can they find in here that will lead them to hayleigh? i'm told that they have redacted this so that there's a lot, nancy, that we have not heard. and we've heard so much. but only the police know a chunk of information that she did say we don't know. >> we have obtained more of those secretly recorded jailhouse tapes. misty croslin, the key to the answer, where is 5-year-old hayleigh. take a listen.
8:09 pm
>> we are taking your calls live. it seems as if they're living in a parallel universe. they don't get it. they're in jail. they're looking at 180 years behind bars. out to you, dr. bethany marshall, psychologist. i also heard her say in some of these tapes, she's on anti-depressants, prozac and/or zolo zoloft. how is that going to help her dry out and remember what happened the night hayleigh went
8:10 pm
missing? >> she may be on medicine to stabilize her while she's detoxing but nancy, i do not see her as vulnerable, frightened or scared. i think she's jonesing for her next hit. i listened to all of these -- >> jumping from her next hit? >> jonesing for her next hit. if she's an opiate abuse ear an she's detoxed and she's behind bars, she's desperate for her next hit. do you hear the pleading? she calls her own grandmother and tries to get her own grandmother to fork over $10,000 to bail her out. she doesn't care about the grandmother. she cares about her next hit. and if leonard padilla bails her out and she goes back on drugs, the detectives will have lost all the leverage they have with her. the only leverage to get this girl to tell the truth is that she can get out or do -- she's not thinking plea bargain, she's just thinking can she do the next -- i keep using the word
8:11 pm
hit, op yiates, whatever. i think that's what she's on. that's the leverage to get her to tell the truth. >> joining us to night is leonard padilla. he's offering to bond misty croslin out of jail. leonard, you managed to work a miracle and get tot mom out of jail until that fell apart. do you think you're going to try the same strategy in this case? >> no, absolutely not. this would only resolve in her getting bailed out if she gave us information that led us to the child prior to her being released on bail. we would not put the bail down until she gave us the information and the child was found. i made that clear to everybody. some people don't want to understand that. but i've made it very clear. now, i'm not saying that the law enforcement method is not going to work. all i'm doing is coming up with an option and the fact that the attorney can pay me for, you know, $2 or a small stipend.
8:12 pm
8:18 pm
>> she's not starving. number one, lunch, exhibit a. hot dog with mustard and/or ketch ketchup, baked beans, macaroni salad, bread, cookie, calcium-fortified beverage. i had half of a hamburger patty that i made for everybody else yesterday. that was lunch. dinner, chicken patty with gravy, mashed potatoes, cornbread, fruit cup, juice. i had some saltine crackers. eleanor odom, what did you have? >> haven't had dinner yet. i had a bag of chips on the run. you know, she's getting fed in prison. >> all this whining. you know, bethany marshall, dr. bethany marshall was just talking about her manipulating her whole family. her grandmother has now missed a house note. can't pay the house note. and she's asking grandma to give her money to get out of jail. this after she confesses to relatives on video to eight or
8:19 pm
nine illegal drug sales. we're taking your calls live. we're going to unleash the lawyers. but first paula in new york. >> hey, nancy. we love you in new york. >> bless you and thank you for calling in. what's your question, dear? >> caller: i have a question and a comment. first of all, the night that hayleigh disappeared, and the police did come to the house that night, assume that they did search it, it's interesting to me that since the father and the girlfriend were both using and selling illegal prescription narcotics, why were there -- or were there any narcotics found in the home? and if there weren't, wouldn't this mean that the parents contaminated a crime scene by quickly getting rid of large amounts of oxycodone or hyd hydrocodone from the premise?
8:20 pm
>> i noticed every time this undercover cop approached misty croslin for the dope, she would call someone else. she would make the connection. but if they're users, you would expect to find it in the home. >> that's right. at that time, ronald was at work the night. she was at home or somewhere. i don't think we ever have confirmation about drug use, drug selling at that point of time. right then. at this point, the charges are filed. but at that point, i'm not sure we have confirmation of it. but it's true. nothing was found in the house and there was a search. >> even at the get-go, we were getting reports here that they were involved in drug sales. but they were unconfirmed reports and in my mind they seemed to take focus off of finding hayleigh. but those reports were out there way back when.
8:21 pm
8:25 pm
out to alice in canada. hi, alice. >> caller: hi, nancy. >> how are you, dear? what's your question? >> it's more like a comment or -- it could be a question. right from the beginning ronald cummings said he came home from the night shift at 3:15 in the morning. what night shift stops at 3:15? they start at midnight and go to at least 8:00. that always bothered many e. how come he came home so early? >> you know, i think he got a point. i recall my father worked the night shift. we called it the night trick, i believe you called it. hold on, just a moment. marlena, how did that work? i know that he is alibied for that time, but that is an unusual time to get off of the night shift. >> it is an unusual time, nancy, but he didn't get off at 3:15. he got home at 3:15. he lived over half an hour from his home. so he went to work in the early evening. it's sort of like the mid shift. there was the early, the mid and the midnight.
8:26 pm
>> joining me right now, leonard padilla, bounty hunter. he's offered to bond out cros n croslin, as you recall. he did the same thing with tot mom casey anthony in the hopes she would talk. i see an arm coming around your neck. that could be -- okay. not going to go there. leonard, what's the deal on this. how did you get roped into this one? >> i don't get roped into it. i i'm a media hound and figure it's a chance to get on "the nancy grace show." >> now seriously. why would you stick your neck out on misty croslin in the hope she is's going to tell you something. >> because i think that she's in a situation, and i saw it last night in her eyes where she just wants desperately to get out of
8:27 pm
there. and sometimes people won't talk to law enforcement about something but they will talk to somebody else. we have answers to a lot of questions in the bail bond business and people talk to us. i'm not a bail agent. i'm a bounty hunter i brought back people from texas and across the county. they gave me full confessions on the way back. i really believe with the blessings of her attorney, if it works out the way i've suggested, she will give us the information that we need that will lead us to the young lady. that's all i'm saying. the bond will be posted and she'll be out of jail on the drug case. people are confusing the fact that there are two cases.
8:31 pm
8:32 pm
expert on florida law, tim miller. also with us, veteran prosecutor, eleanor odom, defense attorney atlanta, renee rockwell and criminal defense attorney renowned in his jurisdiction and beyond, micky sherman, author of "how can you defend those people?" first out to you, is anything a secret in florida? is every visit, mommy, daddy, grand mommy, granddaddy, telephone call, you name it, is everything recorded other than attorneys and preachers, pastor, priests? >> that's it. there's no right to privacy and no expectation to privacy. it's all public and only helps to seal the case against her. that noose is getting much tighter around her as far as a prosecution.
8:33 pm
in light of your next guest, she needs to stay out of it. she's desperate and in denial. there's no way he's going to be bonding her out. as long as she's got hope, she's not going to be talking. let the law enforcement do what law enforcement does, let the prosecution does what prosecution does and let bounty hunters get c-- do what they do. he's not going to get a confession out of her. >> she said something extremely interesting to me. yeah, i might go ahead and talk to investigators. i might go ahead and tell them something. i don't know how you took that. it's got to be something about hayleigh. to you and i, we're thinking rationally. it says she's going to talk or is she just going to say
8:34 pm
anything to get out from behind bars. >> it doesn't tell like she's going to tell the truth, but if she tells the wrong person he get out of jail free card it's going to come back to haunt her. because if she knows anything, the only thing that's going to save her these 180 years are what if it's just 18 years she has to do is to go in there with an attorney, with the truth, as long as she's, of course, not implicated in a homicide, and try to trade off some freedom for some information. >> well, out to you mickey sherman. is there any way under the sun she's not implicated? even if she were passed out on the sofa high on oxycodone, she would still be found negligent. >> your caller just a few minutes ago said there's no evidence of using any kind of drugs in the place where she was
8:35 pm
found. usually when there's a drug deal going on, there's scales, plastic bags. >> wait a minute. we're not talking about cocaine. we're not talking about cooking up crack or methamphetamine over in the kitchen in the microwave. we're talking about oxycodone. you're not measuring anything out. you're a pharmacist. >> they could be cutting it and there would be a lot of plastic bags and other containers if they're selling it. she may be dealing, but she's also a user. >> put him up. lady justice -- you can laugh -- is blind. because if she's out selling dope, she's selling dope. she's no different than the rich guy up front selling dope behind closed doors. they're all selling dope.
8:36 pm
>> if she's a user and an addict, the law takes that into consideration. >> well, says you. what about it, odom? >> i don't think so. sometimes they might if she's willing to get help. but let's face it, she's trafficking in drugs. she's in deep trouble, nancy. >> let's take a listen, everybody. we've gotten our hands on more just released jailhouse tapes, secretly recording. you know, i don't know if you've ever gotten a call from the jailhouse. i've gotten plenty of them collect. they would call the district attorney's office, collect. of course, i would take the call to see what they would have to say. but you can't help but hear on the other line, this call is being recorded. so these people have got to know they're being recorded. they don't care. listen.
8:38 pm
8:39 pm
dog in and it hit on the dumpster behind the building over a course of a week. what did they follow up on that? >> law enforcement searched every dumpster in the county and they even set up a central place where all the trash was taken and they went through it piece by piece and did not find anything. >> everyone, a quick break. we are taking your calls live tonight. more of those secretly-recorded jailhouse videos and audios of misty croslin, the baby-sitter turned stepmother, the last person to see little hayleigh alive. to tonight's family album. here are photos of the twins at grand mommy's house. my mom is a pianoist. they're maestros. and here they are at central park in new york looking at the animals. and now photos from you. illinois friends, 5-year-old emily, 4-month-old hahailey.
8:40 pm
8:45 pm
>> that's when she's asking her grandmother for her house payment so she can get out of jail. now, i want to take a shot cue me into the new york control room. all these people you're seeing right now are coming in my ear talking about how they feel sorry for misty croslin. this is the woman that was either integral, key -- look at me, liz, brett, rosie, i see you -- integral in the disappearance of a 5-year-old girl or was doped out of her skull. the girl is likely dead, all right? i don't want to hear you whining about her behind bars trying to rip her grandmother off of her house payment. out to the lines, cindy in florida. hi, cindy. hi, dear.
8:46 pm
what's your question? >> caller: two questions. one, is it found out that misty was gone out of the house the night hayleigh went missing, will she face child neglect charges on junior? >> excellent question. and what's the rest of your question? >> caller: the rest is, i don't think misty is ever going to have a caring bone because all she's caring about is getting out, doing the right thing? no. if she wants to do the right thing, she needs to say where's hayleigh or where her body is or something. let crystal sheffield have some piece, which is easier said than done. >> and the grandmother, theresa nevis, heart broken over hayleigh disappearing. you know what, when i leave this set tonight, all i can think about is getting home and seeing the twins.
8:47 pm
hopefully they're going to be asleep. but i can go in and i can look at them and i can touch their chest to make sure they're breathing. i can fix their blankets. can you imagine coming home and that crib empty? and this woman holds the key to what happened to little hayleigh? and she's talking about i may or may not talk to investigators so i can get out of here. everything she says eleanor odom is about her getting out. other people getting her money. she's never worked a day in her life except to sell dope. but now she wants her grandmother's house payment so she can get out of jail? >> didn't you hear her grandmother saying we told you not to do that. so it's not like she didn't know it was wrong. i would like to see child deprivation slapped on her as
8:48 pm
well for the children not getting supervision. >> high in, paul. >> you know, criminals never, ever cry because of what they did. she's not crying for the child and for her crimes. the most telling thing for me was two of the things that cummings said. first he said he's not worried about doing the time because he only expects to do about four months, which means he settled for the crimes he's been arrested for. but what he tells her is don't say anything because they both know where the child is or what happened to the child and he's fearful of new charges that they're going to face. he's telling her, don't come forward with it. my concern is how much time will she do before she becomes comfortable. or will law enforcement get the information while she's still uncomfortable having drug issues. >> good point.
8:49 pm
>> how will giving her zoloft or prozac delay the drying out process? >> it doesn't really delay the drying out process because she's apparently drying out. you can tell even by the way she puts her fingers across her face constantly. it's part of her anxiety and everything like that. what zoloft -- usually it takes about two weeks for it to kick in. prozac usually takes four weeks to kick in. >> to the lawyers, let me go to mickey sherman first. everything she says is about herself. do you think she's savvy enough not to give the information? what do you make of the comment that she's got information she may tell investigators to get out. >> i think she's desperate. and you're also presuming she's guilty. if anything she's probably going to give her some b.s. story. there's nothing to say what she says to get out is going to be the truth. there's nothing to suggest that
8:50 pm
she's going to give the authorities or anybody else or us as we're watching this voyeristic tape, anything that's going to lead the police to the actual killer or this young girl. >> well, police tend to disagree with you as usual, mickey sherman. they are combing over these tapes hoping for any evidence that might help find hayleigh, dead or alive. as we go to break, happy birthday to pittsburgh friend bettychekio, at 80 years old. she's a breast cancer survivor, she loves the penguins and steelers, never misses our show. but her true love, her six children. 17 grandchildren. 6 great grandchildren. man! what a beautiful family you must have. happy birthday, betty.
8:53 pm
8:54 pm
then, with tiger woods reportedly coming out of sex rehab and after 13 mistresses, elin has decided to give him another chance. good luck with that, elin. and comedian sarah silverman gets away with saying and doing outrageous things because she's so pretty. too bad that didn't work for john edwards. all that and more right after nancy. >> with us tonight, david schumer. he's in a fight against pancreatic and liver cancer. the golf tournament, may 10, suburban country club, baltimore. david, first of all, i want you to tell us about your mother. >> well, nancy, my mother was a wonderful woman. she had a personality that lit up a room when she walked in. she had a fantastic sense of humor. she was the last one always to leave the party. she was just a great, wonderful person and then, nancy, three
8:55 pm
weeks after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, she was taken from us. >> i recall when that happened. everything was so sudden. and it was like she never even got a chance to fight. she never got a chance to really fight. tell me about your project. >> well, the fund is something i started back in late 2006 after my mother passed away. in the effort to help the medical community find a method of early detection and one day a cure for pancreatic cancer. today, medicine is still using some of the very same treatments to treat pancreatic cancer that they were using when joan crawford passed away from the disease. after my mom passed away and i did a lot of research, i wanted to do something. so i started the ellen schumer
8:56 pm
cancer fund to help the medical community. >> you know, david schumer, so many people sit back and say, would have, could have, should have. you didn't. you are never, ever forgetting your mother. you are fighting every day in her memory. what can we do to help you? >> well, we can talk about pancreatic cancer. we can raise the awareness of this terrible disease. pancreatic cancer happens to be the ninth most common form of cancer but the fourth most leading cause of cancer deaths. and because 95% of those people diagnosed with pancreatic cancer are gone five years later, within five years, excuse me, it has the highest mortality rate. so people can help the ellen schumer fund by calling 410-328-3637.
8:57 pm
>> and we're putting all this information on our website. please help the fight against pancreatic cancer. and to you, david schumer, god bless you. everyone, let's stop and remember army sergeant william brown, 25, killed iraq. on a second tour, gave his life saving a fellow soldier. loved god, family, country. remembered for compassion. never met a stranger. leaves his parents, sister, brother, widow rachel, sons ethan and tyler. william brown, american hero. thanks to our guests but to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. and until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
201 Views
IN COLLECTIONS
HLN Television Archive Television Archive News Search ServiceUploaded by TV Archive on