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van der sloot's father, long believed to be key in the coverup, dead. judge paul van der sloot collapses dead on a tennis court in a swanky aruba tennis court. a witness said he spotted van der sloot and daddy searching around a pond late the night natalee goes missing. joran van der sloot, soaking wet, missing a shoe. with a positive i.d. on the judge's jeep, still no arrest. but now without daddy pulling strings and thinking, even talking for him, is joran van der sloot such a loose cannon the truth will finally win out? will the holloway case be reopened now that joran van der sloot's father is dead? >> he should have talked that night. they should have admitted that
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something went wrong. >> could this be a major breakthrough in finding out what happened to natalee? >> he told his son and the other boys to keep quiet and don't say anything. he indicated no case, no body. or no body, no case. >> he admitted he picked them up at 4:00 a.m. then he changed the time to 11:00 p.m. on the 29th. you just don't do that. a grown man cannot keep changing the times if he has nothing to hide or no involvement. >> i remember the day i met with paul at the prison. i asked him all the questions, why he hid from the news media. and the last question that i had, was he involved, and he said no. he said dave, i can understand your position, but you've got to understand mine. joran is any son and i'll do everything i can to protect him,
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and i believe it. >> good evening. i am answer incy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. >> bombshell tonight, joran van der sloot's father, long believed to be key in the cover-up for his son, dead. now, without daddy pulling strings, thinking, even talking for him, is van der sloot such a loose cannon the truth will finally win out? >> he was joran van der sloot's biggest defender. now, paul van der sloot has suddenly died in aruba. potentially revving up the natalee holloway investigation. >> i fully believe he knows exactly where natalee's body is. i do believe paul van der sloot, yes, he knows. >> nothing was done right in the beginning of this thing, otherwise we would have answers. >> also, at the time holloway went missing, van der sloot was
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training as a judge and reportedly influential within the aruban establishment. >> they said did you search his home? she said no. i said why? she said because he wouldn't let us. >> he had many friends within the police department. many friends with the department of justice and he was friend with all the judges in aruba. >> it was kind of frightening to us to hear about the connections with the father having control of the security cameras on the island because the security cameras were not working that night the suspects took natalee. >> in a television interview, joran van der sloot said his fathers gave police $50,000 as a bribe to look the other way, a statement joran van der sloot said was a lie. >> i'm telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. i told joran to tell the truth.
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>> of course, that is paul back in 1995, paul van der sloot insisting his son joran had nothing to do with the holloway disappearance. second verse, same as the first. we are taking your calls live. straight out to our chief editorial producer. elie, tell me the circumstances surrounding van der sloot's death. >> well, nancy, apparently, he was playing tennis just last night. as far as we know, no previous health problems, no other conditions that we're aware of. he apparently had a heart attack, collapsed on the tennis courts. emergency personnel were not able to revive him. >> elie, we were just showing a shot. there you go. there's judge paulus van der sloot running from the camera, trying to get into his car. reflesh our recollection, elie. just take it from the top. what was his perceived alleged involvement in the cover-up for his son joran van der sloot,
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suspect in the disappearance of alabama beauty natalee holloway? >> well, nancy, paulus van der sloot always insisted his son joran van der sloot had nothing to do with natalee holloway's disappearance. but police initially believed he may have been involved in the cover-up. as a matter of fact, just about a month after natalee holloway went missing, paulus van der sloot was arrested, taken into custody. three days later, he was released. they said there was no evidence. he later actually sued the aruban government, won a settlement of $30,000 for false arrest. but joran van der sloot himself said in interviews, which he later took back, he's always making statements, taking them back, but he did claim at one point he told his father what really happened that night. he told his father that he sold natalee holloway to a man on the beach that wanted a sex slave. his father said keep your mouth shut. >> that was a public statement
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that he allegedly made -- well, he did make it on national television. and he was very, very detailed about selling natalee holloway and that his father told him, that's a very, very serious crime and you've got to keep your mouth shut. joran van der sloot said he told that story to his father, to his lawyers and to a particular teacher that he trusted. we are taking your calls. what, if anything, does this mean in the ongoing search for the truth in the disappearance of alabama beauty natalee holloway? out to the lines, heather in new york. hi, heather. >> caller: hi, nancy grace. how are you? >> i am great. thank you for asking. although i was up all night with little lucy. she's been sick. but she's on the mend today. what's your question, dear? >> caller: your babies are beautiful, let me just say that. is the evidence that the father
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once coverer up going to be revealed? i know he said in a taped interview, no body, no case. then we have the undercover cop who found -- joran said to him she had a seizure and she just left her there, a friend picked him up. is this stuff going to be uncovered now that he's passed on? >> we will unleash the lawyers. in the meantime, rosie, if you would, pull up the video that we have of joran van der sloot, the son. joran van der sloot, where he is in that vehicle after months of secret surveillance by dutch reporters. recall, joran van der sloot finally in confidence told what he thought to be a fellow dope dealer what really happened that night. take a listen to joran van der sloot while he thinks no one is watching.
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mississippi is dave holloway, natalee's father. what's your reaction to the news that daddy van der sloot is dead, collapsing on a resort tennis court? >> you know, i really didn't have any original reaction, nancy, other than two sides, that you've got to feel for some of the innocent people that he has affected, you know, certainly his immediate family and a bunch of people on the island as well as us. but secondly, now that he's not controlling the police investigation, leniency towards the judge and his own son, maybe there's hope that someone will talk. >> with me is natalee's father, dave holloway, who did everything in his power to try to find his daughter. can you imagine your child going away on a senior trip, well chaperoned, a great bunch of kids, great chaperons, monitored.
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and then you get the word, everybody came back but your daughter. dave holloway, what do you believe judge paulus van der sloot's involvement was in covering up for his son? >> my thoughts are that was once joran was taken into custody and gave his initial deposition, i think that's where paul van der sloot came into action as far as changing up the statements and then doing what he had to do to get his son off. >> i just couldn't believe what i was seeing. almost as a father, you just feel like jumping through the tv set. you just can't believe that a person would stoop this low and have no lack of respect or remorse. i mean, he has literally
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>> paulus van der sloot has changed his story. >> something is wrong here. >> when i hear how he's placing all the blame on myself or tourism being low, how everything is natalee's fault. >> i think he was grasping at straws, trying to point the finger somewhere else. >> young people just don't die from drinking too much. >> no history that she had used drugs that night. no history of epilepsy. >> he has totally, totally dragged us all through hell. >> he's tried to avoid this justice system for a long time. and you know, i'm afraid it's going to come out and haunt him. >> with the meeting with the prosecutor, i asked if they
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searched paulus home. she said no. i said why? because he wouldn't let us. he was a suspect, they brought him in, held him for two days. i just don't understand it. nothing was done right. >> we just have to keep going because the only way we will get justice for natalee is if we do keep going. if we give up, absolutely nothing will happen. >> there was a time when i thought, i tell ya, how can i continue to do this? i just thought i wasn't getting anywhere. you know what? all that steady, constant every day steps that we took, each one was well worth it because look where we are today. i never thought i would see this time come to where you and i would be sitting here with such absolutely amazing revelations and information's, you know, coming from joran himself. >> we are taking your calls live. let's unleash the lawyers and answer heather in new york's question. joining us tonight, felony prosecutor out of the atlanta
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jurisdiction, eleanor odom. also with us, defense attorney peter odom, and randy kessler, well known in the atlanta jurisdiction. thank you for being with us. eleanor, heather in new york's question was, because of the death of joran van der sloot's father, the sudden and unexpected death, what does that mean to the case? >> what i'm hoping as a prosecutor is that maybe somebody who was scared to come out and speak earlier maybe will come forward now that he is dead and maybe isn't influencing somebody. >> to you, peter odom, true, he may have taken secrets to the grave, as many people believe, but the fact that he has now passed away, there's no more privilege with many of the things that he has said. do you think it's going to help or hurt the case? >> well, frankly, nancy, i don't think it's going to have any effect on the case. i don't think there was any privilege to begin with. there's certainly no father-son privilege. this case was dead on arrival,
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so to speak, and has been for years. >> with the lawyers. with the lawyers. and also, he was a judge, peter odom. and many people believe that he pulled strings to get this case assigned to a friend that was also a judge. >> that may be, but nobody is going to come forward and say, hey, by the way, i acted corruptly in this case, let me now tell the truth. what's done is done and this case is not going to go anywhere and it wouldn't have anyway, nancy. >> what about it, randy kessler? >> i think paul did his job as a father and a lawyer. time is on this defendant's side. memories fade, witnesses disappear and there's been no body. i think his father did a good job if he was protecting his son. >> put kessler up. >> i didn't say it was ethical, i didn't say i agree with it. >> i don't believe i asked you anything else. randy, you have children, don't you? >> absolutely. got a beautiful daughter. >> and in light of the fact that
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dave holloway is with us tonight, natalee's father, i couldn't see you when you said paulus van der sloot did a good job in covering up for his son. do you want to rephrase that in any way? >> sure. if that's what his intent was was to protect his son and keep him out of jail, then he accomplished that. i wasn't making a judgment on it. i don't think it was good and i certainly don't like it and i don't approve of it, but if that was his goal, he achieved his goal. >> let's go out to a crime analyst and director of the cold case squad, pine lake p.d. weigh in, cheryl. >> you know, nancy, this case is just so aggravating to me. but here's what i want to make very clear. it's not just a few police officers that may or may not have gotten some payment. it's not one judge. it is every single police officer on that island. it is every single judge at this point, and it's every single d.a. on that island that won't bring this case forward. van der sloot has said he sold her in the sex trade. he said he threw her in the
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ocean. how many times does this person have to confess before something is done? >> you know, out to jean caesarez, legal correspondent with "in session" joining us out of new york. jean, especially in light of that undercover video we just showed of joran van der sloot essentially confessing he was there at the time of her death, how she was shaking at the time of her death, i still don't understand how aruban prosecutors did not proceed. >> so much has come out of the mouth of joran, you're right. but independent of that, the justice minister of aruba had come out saying that he believed the early aspects of the investigation were tainted. they didn't investigate. they didn't interview joran for over ten days to protect paul. that that was the basis of it all. now that paul is gone, that protection isn't needed anymore. >> i think his pattern is the
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>> i met him the night i got here. he's sickening. if he has nothing to hide, why is he running to his car? >> you just don't do that. a grown man cannot keep changing the times if he has nothing to hide or no involvement. >> paulus van der sloot should have been a man. he should have stepped forward in the beginning. he should have talked to joran that night. they should have admitted that something went wrong and we could have gone on with our lives. >> breaking news tonight in the search for alabama beauty natalee holloway. at a swanky tennis resort, the father of joran van der sloot,
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judge paulus van der sloot, collapses and dies. so far throughout this investigation, he has done the thinking and the talking for his son, joran van der sloot, known to be a loose cannon. but now, without daddy pulling the strings, will truth finally speak out? speaking of joran van der sloot, where is joran van der sloot? last we knew, he was in thailand. where was he at the time of his father's death? this is the last we know of his whereabouts. take a listen. >> i like dancing. >> he offering you $15,000 to dance, now you tell me you have school to finish. i understand. and you can tell me okay, after your school, we talk about it again? >> yeah. and how long i have to dance for? one hour, two hours? >> no, like ten-hour a day. >> that's too much.
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>> 15,000 a month and then overtime. >> yeah, maybe we can do that, like 15,000 a month. >> look what you have to do for that. you have to shake your [ expletive ] for that. >> that's an investigative show on dutch tv where joran van der sloot was secretly videotaped with a hidden camera trying to encourage thai young women to dance for money and more. such a fine young man. out to you bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers." weigh in, bethany. >> it seems for him sexual excitement and exploiting women seem to go hand in hand. we saw it with natalee holloway and we see it here. you keep using the word "loose cannon" and you're absolutely right, nancy. the way he's a loose cannon is he wants to brag about this crime. he confuses infamy with being famous. he thinks that this is exciting and that we want to hear his stories.
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just like scott peterson used to go and look out over the bay where lacy was, there was a form of reliving the crime as if it was exciting. that's what joran is going to do and that's going to be his eventual undoing. he's not just a liar, he's a braggard. >> when we come back, dave holloway, natalee's father. we now learn that joran van der sloot's father, paulus van der sloot, has collapsed dead.
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>> the van der sloots are a family under fire. son, joran van der sloot, he was a star student and athlete at aruba's international school and his father paul, deputy judge, arrested then released as part of the same investigation. the van der sloots are a middle-class dutch family. according to islanders, quiet and well respected. the wife was distraught after her husband was detained but was standing by her men.
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>> i believe in my husband. i believe in my son. i believe in my family. and i know it all comes right. it all will be fine. >> when police arrested paul van der sloot, prosecutors initially said they suspected he may have helped son, joran, cover up what he was doing on the night natalee disappeared. aruba's chief prosecutor spelled out what led them to paul van der sloot. >> they were speaking about the situation, if you don't have body, there is no case. >> reporter: but under interrogation, officials say he came up with an explanation. >> he said i was talking generally spoken. >> reporter: natalee's family was left reeling. >> yes, it was a devastating blow to us. >> we are taking your calls live. breaking news in the search for alabama beauty honors student, natalee holloway, who went missing off her senior trip to aruba. the former suspect, joran van der sloot's father, paulus van der sloot, the judge, allegedly
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>> that is abc "20/20" video where joran van der sloot says what he knows about the disappearance of natalee holloway in shocking detail when he thought no one was listening. with me tonight, special guest, natalee holloway's father, dave holloway. dave, without his daddy there to protect him anymore, to pull the string, get cases assigned to various judges, have a word with police as they are investigating the case allegedly, we know joran van der sloot is prone to talk. there he is talking to a dope dealer. then he pops up in thailand, trying to convince young women to join the sex trade. we know that he gave a national tv interview where he claimed wrongdoing regarding natalee. who's there to protect him now and filter his stories? >> well, nancy, i think that his pattern is that he will continue talking, but will he eventually be arrested and convicted and
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placed in jail for what he says? and your pessimistic attorneys say no, but, you know, we -- they underestimate our perseverance in the initial few days when we arrived on the island. and they made a decision to attempt to cover up the case. and if we had thrown our arms up and went on home, well, you know, they would have been successful. but, you know, we're 4 1/2 years into it and none of us have given up and we'll continue to seek out answers. we're a lot further along in the process than we were the first week. but whether we get the justice natalee deserves, that's the ultimate question. but we're certainly not going to quit. and if i do quit, everyone else will quit. so, that's not the object. >> you know what, dave, it really is on you and beth, of course.
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if you were to quit then everyone would quit. dave holloway is with us tonight, natalee's father. dave holloway, how do you believe the cover-up took place? >> you know, when beth arrived on the island, you know, paulus is a judge in training. he knows all the rules and he's a lawyer as well. and i think they made a decision, either that night or in the coming days to, you know, help his son out. and i think he believed his son had a promising career and he saw all that coming to an end. and made that decision at that point in time to break the law and get this thing covered up. otherwise, if it would have been any other person, i believe they would have went ahead and turned their son in and laid it all out on the table, but that's not what happened. >> dave holloway, isn't it true
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that in the days, the immediate days after natalee went missing, joran van der sloot and his father, paulus, were already lawyered up with defense attorneys? nobody had even really pointed the finger at him yet. and his father had already arranged a slew of attorneys for him. >> they already had attorneys in place and were also practicing their dropoff story at the holiday inn. and they knew that arrests were imminent. i always say this, if it hadn't been for the news media pushing the fact that the two security guards that were initially arrested as a ploy for this cover-up, these guys may have gotten off scot-free. they still haven't served true justice, but they may have never been arrested. >> you know, dave, a lot of people forgot about that. a lot of people were happy to sit back and let two security guards take the rap for
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natalee's disappearance, who were completely innocent. and if you take a look at that, given what we know about joran van der sloot, not only avoiding the truth about natalee, but allowing other people to take the fall is horrible. of course, those are allegations. er joran van der sloot, a former suspect in the case. joining me right now, a very special guest, managing director and publisher of deario magazine. jossy mansur joining us. thank you for being with us. what can you tell us about the death of paulus van der sloot? >> well, i think that it will open the case again. i think that it combines with a new government that we have, a new minister of justice. and everything seems to be pointing into the direction of the case will move forward from here on. >> but how will judge paulus van der sloot's death affect the case moving forward?
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>> he will have absolutely no more influence to guide whatever the investigation -- whatever the investigators are busy with. he has absolutely no contacts anymore with the judges, again in the future with joran standing before them in the tribunal. and many things will change now with his death. >> under the law there, dutch law practiced in aruba, can joran van der sloot be taken back into custody if new and credible evidence arises? >> of course he can. immediately. >> with me is jossy mansur, the director and publisher of diario. what more do you know about his actual death? where did he die? >> he died on a tennis court in a very lush and exclusive section of the island where you have the million dollar homes. the retired people, foreigners that own huge mansions there.
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he was playing tennis there and apparently his heart gave up. he collapsed. they brought the ambulance. they rushed him to the hospital. they worked on him for quite a while, but there was nothing they could do anymore. he was dead. >> everyone, we are taking your calls as soon as we get back, but as we go to break, tonight's n.g. family album. now, here are some photos of the twins. this was this past week. they have tricycles and mommy was trying to push both of them up a hill. that didn't go very well. and here we are back at mcdonald's at the play station. having fun. and now to your photos. here's a tiny crime-fighter, brianna, on her third birthday. she watches our show every night with mom, christine. and this little child, brianna, says a prayer for our missing children. 16-month-old claire who watches the show every night since her mommy was pregnant. claire loves the show so much she will only speak during commercial breaks.
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breaking news in the natalee holloway investigation. former suspect joran van der sloot's father has died. judge-in-training paulus van der sloot collapsed suddenly in aruba while playing tennis. he was unable to be resuscitated. his son, joran, formerly suspected of being involved in the disappearance of alabama teen natalee holloway, who went missing on a school trip to aruba. >> i want statements from the two uniformed officers that were there with me that night that spent two hours with us, at least their written report that they had that night. and i want them to dig into paulus van der sloot. he's involved in this and i want them to dig and dig and find out more information. >> what secrets did van der sloot know?
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what information will he take to the grave? >> joran and paul have done this to themselves. they have -- they have -- they've done the lies all along. you know, if they would have just come forward from the beginning, never changed their story, we wouldn't have these suspicions. >> breaking news tonight in the search for alabama beauty and honors student, natalee holloway, who went missing on her high school senior trip. great group of children, great group of chaperons, plenty of chaperons to go around. she was the only one that didn't come back from aruba. she has never been seen since. by his own admission to authorities, joran van der sloot, the last one to be with her there on the beach, he says he left her on the beach. he tells an entirely different story on secret surveillance video describing how she died. then on a national tv interview, he says that she sold her into the sex trade. but now without daddy there to
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protect him any longer, will the truth finally come out? to criminal profiler pat brown, author of "killing for sport," weigh in. >> i think the problem is joran's told a lot of stories. none of them is true. he's going to tell stories that are slightly less awful than the real truth, which is likely that he was raping her and she smothered in the sand. my guess is he called daddy and daddy covers it up. so there's only one left that knows what's going on. i think they're going to have trouble unless they find that body. and the only way they're going to find something to do with the body is if it's on the property. maybe there's some access to the property they didn't have before that they can go back and look for it. >> to dr. joshua perper, renowned in his field, the chief medical examiner of broward county, author of "when to call
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the doctor," as always, it is our honor to have you on with us. following up on what pat brown, the criminal profiler, has just told us, at this juncture with the many, many months that have passed, what would you expect to find as far as remains, if they had been buried? >> if the body had been buried, then there would be skeletal remains. if the body was thrown in the ocean, then the likelihood of recovering the remain of bone, it's virtually nil. >> to tammy in georgia, hi, tammy. >> caller: hi, nancy. i think you're a wonderful mother first. >> thank you. >> caller: you're welcome. second of all, i want to know, do you think joran will finally now mess up now that he doesn't have daddy to tell him what to say or to do? >> tammy in georgia, i think his father has likely kept him out of sight, out of mind. but he can't help but yak and gab and seek attention.
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speaking of where is joran van der sloot, jean cass sar res from "in session," what did you find out today? >> a source close to the family tells me that joran is in the netherlands right now and he will be coming back to aruba for services. so he will be back to that jurisdiction, nancy. >> eleanor odom, randy kessler and peter odom all joining us. eleanor odom, it's not beyond the realm of imagination to expect authorities to make some type of move if joran van der sloot comes home for the funeral. >> no, not at all. and you've got to remember, not only do we have his statements, he was placed with natalee holloway by other people before her disappearance and her probable death, as well as the brothers that were also with
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him in this whole disappearance. i think there's some good evidence to corroborate his statement. >> peter odom, funerals and memorials are tried and true. in fact, the feds are well known for rigging up microphones, hidden surveillance cameras, you name it, at funerals, memorials, gravesites. what do you think? >> and joran van der sloot has already told four or five stories about what happened. so what if he comes and tells a sixth story? it's true you can prosecute a case without a body, but you can't prosecute a case based on admissions and confessions alone. that's all they've got against joran van der sloot. >> hold on, hold on, hold on. peter, you're absolutely correct. in the united states. i don't know if that's exactly correct in the netherlands. randy kessler, he's talking about the fact if all you have is the confession by the defendant, that's not enough to go on. but there is some other evidence. there are the kalpoe brothers. there is video. video. of him, joran van der sloot,
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leaving a bar with natalee, just before she goes missing that could be deemed corroboration, randy kessler. >> you can have 1% corroboration. you just need something to corroborate it. and if any of those confessions come in or him admitting it, that tape gets in front of any jury. i can't imagine a jury not giving that severe weight and possibly convicting. he's going to step in it sooner or later. o.j. stepped in it. other people stepped in it. he's gonna pay the price sooner or later. >> jennifer in california, hi, jennifer. >> caller: i may be next. >> you're on right now, dear. what's your question? okay, to francine in new jersey. what's your question? >> caller: we love you here and we love your twins. please get well soon, lucy. my question is do you think
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joran van der sloot was given preferential treatment and what is the usual practice on a missing persons case in aruba under the law? i understand he was not taking -- not picked up for ten days. >> we're going to answer your question when we get back. we're hard against a break. as i gobreak, i want to remain the cancer foundation, claiming more lives than breast and colon and prostate and melanoma combined. you don't have to smoke to get lung canner. john gaeta lost her battle with lung cancer. the dancing with joan fundraiser saturday, february 20, marietta, georgia. for information, go to for joan.org. tonight happy 20th to lydia neely, major in criminalology. happy birthday, lydia!
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meltdown, the explosive outrage over him using the n word in a shocking interview and the fury off his steamy revelations about his sex life with jessica simpson. will brangelina be adopting children in haiti? at the top the hour here on hln. >> i'm a father too and no matter what my -- i love my son to death. if he did something wrong, i would stand up to it and would just have to deal with it. >> to joscy, director, how in answer to the question francine in new jersey, how is joran van der sloot treated differently than a normal suspect? >> his father was allowed to sit in on various the interrogations. he was allowed to look at the
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transcripts and make corrections in his own handwriting. no one else that i know of has ever been granted that kind of privilege. >> the fact is, in addition to in a and francine was right from jersey, it took ten days before there is any initial interviews with joran van der sloot. the initial days are critical. and word spread quickly that joran van der sloot was the last person to have seen natalee holloway. >> not to speak ill the dead, all right, but let's get down to it cheryl, that is bs and you know he had something to do with his son not being questioned for ten days. >> no question. the first 72 hours is critical. they deliberately wait ten days. all kind of leads have gone at
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that point. >> to you bethany marshall the what do you make joran van der sloot's disposition and how will that be affected by his father's sudden deblg. >> i think we have to remember there's a little kernel of truth in every lie. when joran says he sold natalee to the sex trade, they are not just tal taelz, he wants to brag to the world. >> the search for missing alabama teen natalee holloway, the former suspect in this case headed to aruba as we speak. his father dead at 5 7. what will it mean to the case. let's stop and remember william
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spencer, killed iraq. awarded the silver star, gave his life rescuing his commanding officer. left studies to enlist. loves fishing, dreamed of playing football at ohio state and being a marine biology and leaves behind david and julia and stepmother dawn and two brother and two sisters. william spencer, american hero. i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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