tv Nancy Grace HLN February 28, 2010 10:00pm-11:00pm EST
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breaking news tonight, satsuma florida. a 5 yearly girl tucked into bed and five hours later, she's gone. daddy returns from work to see not a trace of hey lee. misty croslin takes to the air waves that she is innocent but even in one brief interview she can't keep her story straight, including a 180 on a lie detector she flunked.
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little hey lee's own father and baby sitter-turned stepmother, mystery croslin, arrested and booked on charges of drug trafficking. bombshell tonight. we obtain even more secret under cover surveillance video taking inside that police car by pinpoint secret camera. new details emerging. haggling over drug prices. a dope deal near a school. the sting, the repeat drug sales to undercover cops, the conversations, the lies, the sales, the takedown. all caught on video. and tonight croslin drops the bomb. admitting on tape she has doubt little haleigh will ever come home. but why? and tonight on those secretly recorded jailhouse tapes we see hours of croslin yakking to
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mommy, granddaddy, grandma, daddy, brother, but we see a very different misty croslin. angry, self-absorbed to the max. demanding her relatives bail her out. insisting she'll only talk about haleigh once she's out from behind bars. croslin concerned only about herself. whining about conditions in lockup. her food, her cell. all this while croslin's lawyer tells the only bondsman willing to help her to butt out. but why? is he afraid croslin may divulge the truth about haleigh in exchange for bail money? tonight, misty croslin's house of cards falling in, as her own mother arrested on charges of stealing. what we and the cops both want tonight are answers. where is 5-year-old haleigh? >> let us out right here and we'll walk up there.
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come on. >> you want us to hang out right here? >> yeah. just go down and turn around. >> 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 2, 4, 5. there ain't but 25 there. >> huh-uh. there's 24. >> damn we got robbed. >> [ bleep ]. >> we'll go back if you want. [ bleep ] >> no, he was dropping. he was dropping. i was counting and i said, dude, that's only 24 right there. >> it's a good things you looked or otherwise you'd only got 24. damn good thing you looked. >> he'll want to talk to you as soon as you walk out the door. >> that's fine. that's fine. >> okay. you better be honest with him. >> mama, i'm being honest, okay? >> i know. i know. he said he can tell by your look in your eyes that you had nothing to do with that, but he's afraid that you might have overheard something or something.
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>> well, if he gets me out i can talk to him. that's all i'm saying. >> okay. all right. sounds good to me. >> you think he's going to do it in. >> yeah, i know he's going to do it. >> okay. i'm not crazy. i know what this man told us. do you think he would have got me a car if he wasn't being honest? >> you're right. you're right. and tonight, live to california. the mystery surrounding the sudden disappearance of an entire family. joseph and summer mcstay mysteriously disappeared two weeks ago with their children. 5-year-old and 3-year-old. the couple was last heard from on february 4th. on the 6th both of their cell phones died. then on the 8th their isuzu trooper was found two blocks from the mexican border.
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>> brother can't find them. police are called. they go into the house, finds something that prompts them to call homicide investigators. >> police say the family did not pack to go on vacation. their two dogs left without food and water in the backyard. >> when the patrol deputy was there he seen certain things, i can't be specific about what they were, that were somewhat alarming to him. he gave us a call. that's how we got involved in the case. >> just doesn't look like a vacation? >> that's correct. >> something else that alerted sheriff's investigators is that when they checked the home, shoes were on the front porch and the energy meter was still running. it does not appear that the family was planning to go anywhere. >> apparently when the family's car was found, the boys' car seat still in the car. some other things, police say they didn't apparently take things that they would take with them on a planned family vacation. >> you don't leave ever the house without your diaper bag or other paraphernalia we usually run around with.
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>> i love her. i want my family home safe. i want them to come home. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. we obtain even more secret undercover surveillance video taken inside that police car by pinpoint secret camera. this as misty croslin drops the bomb saying on those secretly recorded jailhouse videos that she doubts little haleigh will ever come home. >> just going to ride right here by the school. $190. >> $190? >> actually $189. >> yeah, $189. >> for 27 of them. >> for 27 of them? >> yeah. >> okay.
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okay. >> you're going to have to probably give me the money. >> just hang in there a few more days, me me. >> i'm going to. i've got $50 on me. >> keep minutes on the phone, too. >> oh, i am. i got $50 on it. >> who's putting $100 in my account? >> leonard. it's already on there. >> and dad put $100 in today, too. >> no, the $100 he was going to put in was from leonard. he went ahead and western unioned it into your account today. >> timmy was supposed to put $100 in there. >> i know. that's what i don't understand. they didn't tell me if they done it or not. >> no, they said dad was putting it in there tonight. they were sending the money back. >> they were going to until they found out leonard was doing it. >> hey, i'm turning by the school. all right. bye. >> that's $190 right there. >> i pray for you every night. i pray for haleigh, too. >> i pray for her every day, all day. i'm telling you i do.
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miss her so much. >> poor little girl. i miss her, too. >> god's going to bring her home. >> god's going to bring her home? >> god's going to bring her home. >> straight out to investigative journalist art harris. art, what's the latest? >> nancy, what's shocking on these new undercover jailhouse tapes, misty is telling her father that she thinks god will bring haleigh home but she's really not sure. as you said, she has doubts that haleigh is alive. >> but why, art, after all of this time, is she suddenly saying, i don't think she's going to come home? >> nancy, that is the $64,000 question. and police are trying to put the squeeze on her, make her sweat in jail, and eventually they believe that she's going to tell someone something.
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on these tapes she hints that she may know something if you listen to them carefully. >> to you, jean casarez, legal correspondent with "in session." what can you tell me? >> you know, nancy, when she says that god is going to bring her home, there's a lot of interpretations to that and the state of mind of misty could be that she's not alive but that she will be brought home, the body will be brought home. she also says, though, that god just hasn't given her the sign yet. >> god hasn't given her the sign. okay. joining us right now, the man of the hour once again. bounty hunter out of california, leonard padilla. leonard padilla has offered to bond her out from behind bars in exchange for her telling him the truth about what happened to haleigh that night. the night she was alone with misty croslin, the baby-sitter turned stepmother. leonard padilla, got a bombshell right here. a letter or a release from misty croslin's lawyer saying basically butt out. what i want to know, leonard, is what lawyer tells a bondsman, look -- who says, look, i'll
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bond you out, but you have to tell me the truth. what lawyer would turn down that deal unless he didn't want croslin to talk to you? >> well, i'm not a bondsman. you have to understand that. i'm a bounty hunter. >> bounty hunter, bondsman, bail bondsman. you say toe-mate-to, i say toe-maut-o. answer the question, leonard padilla. >> okay. it doesn't make sense her attorney would tell me to butt out if i'm willing to pay for a bond in exchange for information. the information has to come first to prove where haleigh is or where she can be found. we're not going to buy a pig in a poke. however, if the attorney feels that way i don't -- you know, that's his situation. he's running the defense on the pill case. i'm not interested or involved in the pill case. >> wait, wait, stop right there, leonard. leonard padilla, all due respect, all right?
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i've worked with plenty of bondsmen, or as you call yourself, bounty hunter, whatever. we both know that yes, they were selling drugs. there's no doubt about that. it's on video. what this is about is finding haleigh. okay? you can't separate the two cases. >> it is about haleigh. >> go ahead. >> it's about haleigh. we all know that. i'm not going to cast aspersions on the efforts of the law enforcement people back in florida. what i'm saying is i'm not involved in the pill case. i'm involved in haleigh and bringing haleigh home. she has the information. one of the rumors i heard over the weekend was that she has said, and i don't know who to, but that she has said that she, that night, saw her cousin joe standing in the doorway. whether that's true or not, i don't know. >> wait, wait, wait, wait. she is now saying she saw her cousin there in the doorway of the home the night haleigh goes missing? this is news to me. where did this come from? >> it came to me from one of the relatives of tommy. it was his sister-in-law,
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timmy's wife. >> who's putting $100 in my account? >> leonard. it's already on there. >> and dad put in $100 today, too. >> no, that $100 he was going to put in was from leonard. he just went ahead and western unioned it into your account today. >> timmy was supposed to put $100 in there. >> i know. that's what i don't understand, that they didn't tell me if they done it or not. >> no, they said dad was putting it in there tonight and they were western unioning the money back. >> they were going to until they found out leonard was doing it.
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i can't say 100% that she's coming home. see, that's not the attitude that she had at the very beginning when the searches were ongoing and this was all fresh in everyone's mind, the little 5-year-old girl with turner's syndrome was gone. vanished out of her own bed in the middle of the night. art harris, i thought i knew all the updates. i thought i had the bombshell. you're the one digging. you're the investigative journalist. did you know this new revelation from misty croslin she says the cousin, the male cousin was in the home the night haleigh goes missing? >> nancy, this is a cousin, the family has been telling me all along they suspect. the question is, is it a diversion or is it true? i can tell you that law enforcement has interviewed this cousin in tennessee twice. >> who is he? >> he's a cousin. his name is joe. and he was there staying with misty's sister-in-law and brother during this period. the sister-in-law tells me that she got up the next morning. the van that she had was moved and the keys were in a different
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place in the kitchen. they are trying to implicate joe. he took off the next morning after haleigh vanished. >> art, i didn't hear that part about the kitchen. would you repeat? >> chelsey croslin, who's married to brother timmy, tells me that cousin joe used the van and that the keys to the van were in a different place than she left them the next morning when they got up and haleigh was reported missing. >> wait. that's my big proof? that he used the van and misplaced the car keys? >> exactly, nancy. >> that's not really helping me much, art. but thanks for that tidbit. i'm going to come back to you and let you redeem yourself back in a moment. back to you, leonard padilla, bounty hunter, as he has
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corrected me. he's offered to bond croslin out of jail in exchange for the truth about what happened to this little girl you're seeing on the bottom of your tv screen right now. she was alone with the little girl and the baby brother, ronald cummings jr., the evening this child goes missing. misty croslin says she heard nothing, she saw nothing, she knows nothing. back to you, padilla. >> yes, ma'am. >> the whole family, in my mind, has been trying to pin this on the cousin, joe croslin, from the get-go, and it is very unusual that immediately after haleigh goes missing he leaves town. he's gone. what exactly did they say? what exactly did they say about his involvement? >> well, basically she related and i think she related it to law enforcement and possibly her sister-in-law that she saw joe overstreet standing in the doorway in the back where it was propped open with the child. now, subsequent to that i know that joe overstreet was seen hanging "haleigh missing" flyers in town and that shortly thereafter he called his then
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girlfriend, jennifer, and said, hey, i have to go to antioch, tennessee, where he lives. that's where his mother and the family lives. subsequently, i think law enforcement went down there and did several interviews with him. it's not to say that they've cleared him, but according to speaking with chelsey and other family members, it's kind of an ongoing discussion with joe as to what he might have done or maybe participated in. >> well, bottom line, you know, if it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck and it looks like a duck it's probably a duck. padilla, this is what i know. i know when they made an arrest they put her behind bars. not cousin joe croslin. as we go to break, take a listen to some of the secretly recorded tape. >> well, like i told her earlier, i'll just give you all a call when i'm done out there and start heading this way, and we'll see what's up at that point. >> all right.
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>> i see the smile. >> left? >> yeah. just go straight. >> what you got? i hear you sniffling. >> huh? >> what you got, i hear you sniffling. >> yeah. >> roxies or something? >> no. >> i like to get high, that's why i was asking. if you had powder to let me know. >> no. i got to go talk to some people this afternoon. i've got to be straight. >> well, do whatever you got to do, man, because like i said them 50 percs, i told you it wasn't a guarantee. if he gets 100 of them, it's a guarantee he's getting them. no ifs, ands and buts. he gets 100 of them. i guarantee you there's 50 right around the corner. i just don't know.
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>> hey, baby! baby! >> just run up. >> ronald, he don't want to do it right here. you got to go to spinners? >> what? >> he don't want to do it right here. you got to go to spinners? >> yeah. >> all right. we'll follow right behind you. >> where's he going? >> spinners right down the road. >> i was going to go where i just met a dude at because it's off the road. ain't nobody there, ain't no houses, no nothing. >> see, i don't think it's set up like -- >> i mean, it's like ten minutes up the road. >> i don't think we have time to go ten minutes up the road. we were going to stop here, go on and get his son and shoot back to another job. >> well, you want to -- >> well, they're already gone so you have to take me to them i guess. they're already gone. >> misty croslin dropping the bomb behind bars. she's not so sure haleigh, little haleigh, will ever come home again. this as detailed recordings out of that cop car emerge. pinpoint recordings of them haggling over the price of drugs, even talking about a drug sale near a school.
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i want to go to paul pinzone, director of provincial programs at childhelp.org. former sergeant phoenix pd and undercover drug cop for six years. that's kind of a dangerous assignment. i'm surprised you lasted six years. either you get hurt or you get exposed as being a cop. one way or the other. what do you make of these undercover surveillance videos? they're awfully chatty and chummy with undercover cop. >> it's great police work. what it shows you there is if you take misty croslin and look at her as a little girl, it's easy sometimes for people to kind of feel sorry for her. when you see her in her true element, it tells you the real picture. the detectives there did a phenomenal job. it's extremely dangerous, very risky work. when you see what they do, what the payoff can be, it's very high. i want to make a point of something real quick, nancy. we have a three-ring circus going right now. you have a bounty hunter, cousin it, the parents, all these things going on. in the middle of it all is misty croslin. don't buy into this story because it starts and ends with her.
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there's a civil process called a free talk. if she had something she and her attorney could sit down with a prosecutor, talk a little bit about what they believe they can bring to the table, get her in the position of strength. but the truth is if what you're saying really is what you did you're in a bigger problem. i think she's where it all begins and it might be where it all ends. >> joining me is a special guest right now out of florida. this is ronald cummings' attorney, terry shoemaker. a very well respected in that region of the country. terry, thank you for being with us. terry, you know, since the first time i met and spoke with ronald cummings i've believed him. it was a gut instinct. no, i never believed he hasn't done drugs. i never believed he had not sold drugs in his past, but his grief over his daughter missing, to me, was genuine. and after trying all those cases for all those years, believe me, i have not hung around with nuns and priests and virgins. all right? so somebody that did drugs, that's not my first time at the rodeo with being with a drug user or seller. >> yes.
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>> how is he responding to being behind bars? not just because the drug sales but because misty croslin won't talk about the night haleigh went missing? >> well, he's very confused right now as to what's going on with haleigh's case. you know, because he is behind bars, as you stated, you know, law enforcement isn't keeping him up to date on anything that's going on and he keeps wondering what's going on? do they have any new leads? that's the hardest part for him right now is trying to find out what's going on with his daughter. >> well, terry, my question was more pointed. my question is i believe a lot of focus came down on your client, ronald cummings. yes, he did the drug deals. i can see that on video. what they want is the truth about where haleigh is. that's what they want. misty now is telling people, misty croslin, she observed her cousin, who is not a suspect or person of interest, in the home
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the night the child goes missing. what about that? >> that's the first i've heard anything about her cousin being in the house that night. the only thing i'd heard previously and the only thing i believe ronald's ever heard is that possibly, you know, her brother went over based on some telephone call that supposedly happened when ronald called the house. >> you had not heard this, terry? >> no, i have not. >> let's take a look at the ammunition, just some of it, this is the tip of the iceberg, that the state has against misty croslin and ronald cummings. >> 2, 4, 6, 8 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 2, 4, 5. there ain't but 25 there. >> huh-uh, 24. >> damn we got robbed. [ bleep ]. >> we'll go back with you want. [ bleep ]. >> you know we didn't do it, man. >> let's go back.
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he was dropping. he was dropping. i was counting them and i said, dude, that's only 24 right there. >> it's a good thing you looked. otherwise you would have gotten only 24. damn well you looked. >> he was dropping them. >> how many does he have left? that was it or what? >> i don't know. >> well, we don't want to [ bleep ] with him no more, anyway. he don't do good business. that's the end of that. she'll get them. she'll get them for you. i mean, right now you just got [ bleep ] there for a minute, but she'll get them. >> like i told her earlier i'll just give you all a call when i'm done out there and start heading this way, and we'll see what's up at that point. >> all right. >> yeah. if i can't, i mean, i don't know if you do roxies or whatever, i can get them but they're expensive. >> yes. >> back to art harris, investigative journalist. art, what do you make of it? >> nancy, what i make of it is
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that these undercover tapes correspond to the police reports that have them nailed dead to right on drugs. misty's lawyer is hoping that she has something he can use to cut her a deal to lower those years that she's facing. that's why he doesn't want her talk to padilla. if she does the information loses its leverage. >> out to marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation. a tireless crusader for victims and missing people. marc, what do you think? >> well, i think the one common theme in every one of these jailhouse conversations with misty is that she's whining and begging and doing anything she can to find a way to get out of jail. and with leonard's very generous offer on the table, and it's been on the table for some time,
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i believe that if she had anything, anything at all, she wouldn't be listening to her lawyer. she wouldn't be listening to her mother. she would be talking to leonard and arranging to get out of jail. she hasn't done it. she has nothing. if the police are going to solve this case, they're going to have to go back to the binge prior to the night that haleigh disappeared. that's probably where they're going to find the truth. >> dr. lillian glass joining us from l.a. what do you think, lillian? >> i think she's a pretty obnoxious entitled person in saying that god is going to give her an answer. she's got a lot of information that she knows.
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that's all i want to do is get out of this place. i'll never come back, like, for real. i will never do anything to get in trouble ever again. i will try never to come back. i know i'm not ever doing anything, like god is going to guide me and not let me do anything wrong ever again and i'm going to start going to church, get my life straight because i don't want to be here no more. this is, like, this really opened my eyes. really. it opened my eyes big and -- >> you think ronald is going to do a long time? >> probably. i don't know. >> just for the drugs? never mind. >> i don't know, though. >> i find that very interesting, the visitor says, just for the drugs? wait, never mind. in other words, don't answer
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that. don't start talking about the night haleigh disappeared. with me is renowned medical examiner dr. joshua perper. he's a chief medical examiner out of broward county. he is author of "when to call the doctor." dr. perper, as always, thank you for being with us. >> sure. >> doctor, the time has passed. there have been theories that this child has been kidnapped, has been sold. the possibility of her death is the preeminent theory that cops are working with. if they were to find her now, is she even identifiable? >> well, probably yes because there would be still, perhaps, some tissue which can be used for dna fingerprinting and usually it's difficult to identify children, but the age and the gender would fit. it depends also where the body was found. if the body was buried then the preservation would be better than if it was in the water or in the air. so there are a number of
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factors, but i believe it would be still something, some tissue to examine and if not soft tissue then bone marrow. i think it would be a possibility of identifying her and taking blood from the parents and making sure that, indeed, this is the child. >> dr. perper, it has now been about a month since misty croslin was arrested for drug sales. drug trafficking. she should be dried out by now, right? from prescription pain medication. >> yeah. that's correct. if she was on some of the pills which apparently were involved, like oxycodone, for example, it takes between one and three days for the symptoms to appear and
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after a week they would disappear. it would be very disagreeable. but it wouldn't endanger her life. so she should be dry by after a month. >> marc klaas, where do you think we go from here? >> i think you have to go back to the beginning. i think you have to go back to that night. you have to sort out her various stories. you have to look at the binge weekend she did before. who are the people involved in that? what are the repercussions of that? are they involved in this? we know she didn't want to be there. she didn't want to be baby sitting and she was wasted from a weekend of drug, sex and rock 'n' roll. >> to you, paul pinzone, weigh in. >> he's right on. you have to remove all the distractions and just stay focused on where the investigation started. go back and look and see if there's anything at all you overlooked and don't underestimate the players involved and what they're capable of. it's still out there. we can find this little girl and hopefully she's still alive. it's going to start with misty. everyone, i want to keep you advised about what's happening with the most unusual case.
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an entire family disappears. >> i'm shocked, you know, and i hope everything's okay. >> joseph mcstay, his wife, summer and their two young boys ages 3 and 5, haven't been seen or heard from. >> they haven't been seen since february 4th. we know that four days later before anybody realizes they were missing the car had just been towed as abandonment. it didn't raise any red flags because nobody knew they were missing. >> it was in a parking lot down there and then it was towed from the parking lot as abandoned. we were told he absolutely wouldn't go to mexico with his family. >> other things don't add up as well. a pair of ugg boots and children sandals remain on the front porch and their two dogs seen here in a home video with summer were left in the backyard unattended. >> the dogs left at home highly unusual. the brother says they're not answering their cell phones and now joey mcstay's phone appears to be dead. >> tonight loved ones who cannot imagine what happened are just praying the mcstays will come home safe. >> straight out to joseph pena with the san diego news network.
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thank you for being with us, joseph. what can you tell us? what's the latest on the search for this family? >> thank you for having me, nancy. here is the latest. the san diego county sheriff's department has released a flyer today describing the family as endangered, missing. also, authorities are reporting that perishable or refrigerated food items were discovered left out in the family's home. finally, according to a local news report, joseph mcstay may have had business connections in mexico or may have been making a purchase in mexico for a home remodeling project the family was working on. mcstay's father, patrick mcstay, told a local news outlet that joseph may have been buying granite counter tops there for the family home, or joseph's business, an in-home fountain business may have taken him across the border. >> so you're telling me there in
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the home when the cops arrived they found refrigerated items left out? like milk? >> yes. yes. refrigeratable items were left out, along with -- they did find the family's dogs there unattended, uncared for. >> to you, lieutenant dennis brugos, san diego county sheriff's office, a special guest joining us out of san diego. lieutenant, thank you for being with us. that says to me even if there was a legitimate reason for them going to mexico, such as these countertops he was ordering, they left in such haste. >> yes, they did. actually the countertops had been installed in the home. the house they recently purchased, and it was actually in a kind of state of renovation. there were other things. they were putting down new
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hardwood flooring and that type of thing. it's very possible they were purchasing things in mexico. we're checking on that right now. we have two of our liaison detectives who work in mexico on a daily basis and they're following up on that. >> to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. ellie, the kicker is even if they were purchasing things in mexico, why would they have taken the children down there to do business? number two, why would they have left the car, i believe it was left abandoned at san ysidro? left abandoned at san ysidro? >> yeah, that's right, nancy. it doesn't make any sense they would take off without their vehicle. if they were going to transport these countertops, like you said, why bring the kids along? another thing i wanted to bring up, nancy, the house searched last friday and the cars, as well. search warrants served. cadaver dogs brought in. they did not find anything. >> to alex sanchez and randy kessler. alex, it's not a crime you just disappear. >> it's not a crime you disappear as long as you're not putting anybody in damage. if the kid needs medical treatment, needs to go to school, you can pick up the family and move across the world.
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>> randy kessler, the car seats were left in the family vehicle. >> right, if there was a crime, wouldn't the criminals have stolen the car and stolen the car and gotten money for that and taken their property? nothing's turned up. credit cards, personal items. it sounds very strange. >> tip line. there is a reward.
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