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breaking news tonight in the search for a 2-year-old florida girl, caylee. six months of searching culminates when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area 15ouses from the anthony home confirmed to be caylee. a utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair. the killer duct-taping and placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then
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triple-bagging little caylee like she's trash. bombshell tonight. in the last hours tot mom casey anthony in court admitting she bags over a quarter million dollars so far, but tot mom says she's broke. wants you to pay for her multimillion-dollar defense. this, after torpedoed to the defense. reports grandfather george anthony starts an affair when caylee goes missing and during pillow talk coop fids little caylee was killed by tot mom by accident. so much for the defense claims somebody else did it. grandfather george anthony denyinthe affair, and statement. and another blow to the defense revealed in court today. did tot mom secretly pass 50-plus handwritten notes to a
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female inmate? did she confess? >> slow down a little bit. sir? sir, can you hear me okay? we're really having a tough time. >> anthony's lawyers have asked the state of florida to pay for part of her defense in her upcoming trial. the orange county clerk of courts have declared her indigent and lawyers want the judge to agree. >> i'm not in control over any of this, because i don know what the hell's going on. >> do you have any reason to believe casey anthony had been in jail the last months has any money anywhere? >> absolutely not. >> i'm trying to make sure that i'm not going to give anybody anything else to throw against me. >> i'm going to see this case through, i'm going to try this case in a courtroom. i look forward to celebrating an
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acquittal with casey anthony. first, breaking news. washington state, two days ago, we put out the alert about a young mom, shantina smiley, and her beautiful 8-year-old boy. they head out to visit their grandfather 120 miles away. in the last hours a body washes ashore, fox island, pierce county, washington. the boy's t-shirt pulled up over his face. is it 8-year-old little azriel? one of the last sightings, mommy buying a jug of wine, the little boy standing there at her side. >> it looks to be an abandoned car, or a stolen vehicle. on my beach property. >> breaking news, it looks to be sad news. >> it's partially submerged. >> police have found the body of a young boy. >> it makes no sense. >> the body was found on the shore this afternoon. >> we have no idea what happened. >> authorities have not made a positive i.d. >> it's really bizarre.
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>> we do not know if it's the little azriel carver. >> there's no explanation for why shantina's van ended up abandoned. >> do you see anything inside? >> no, no. >> and stuck on a puget sound beach saturday night. >> doors are all open. >> shantina and her 8-year-old son were last seen driving all around olympia. >> this videshows them at a west olympia mini mart about 8:00 p.m. saturday. >> she's very intelligent, well read, well spoken. >> she was apparently lost and could be seen on a video looking for a map and asking for directions. workers say her behavior was odd and she fell in the parking lot. >> on the darker side of that, you have to wonder, does somebody have her? >> straight out to ed troyer, spokes person, pierce county sheriff's department, joining us, fox island, washington. ed, thank you for being with us. what can you tell us about the little boy's body that has wash ashore? >> we have identified it as
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being the missing boy from thirston county. once we processed the scene in the last half hour, got a better look, had the mohawk haircut. we unraveled the clothing, it was the same clothing we last saw in the surveillancvideo. his father's here, and we went ahead and made notification. thmedical examiner has taken him from the scene on a boat, because we're down below some cliffs. they're going to have to take him by water back down to the city where the medical examiner's office is. >> oh, mr. troyer, sheriff troyer, i hate to hear it so much, doe know the cause of death of little azriel? >> well, that will be determined tomorrow durg the post. right now, water being in the body for a few days causes trauma on a body. we're not going to be able to determine anything here at the scen that's going to have to be done in a more clinical setting. and wel be waiting for the medical examiner's office to do their post and give us the information. we'll all be out here working together on this tomorrow.
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>> sheriff, how far is this fox island from where the mother's gold van was left abandoned? >> it's about 15 miles, the water, across the water and arou two or three islands. this is puget sound. the tide moves really fast through the channels. it's not unreasonable to think the body would come this far this quickly. in fact, we've had them go a lot further away than that when people have gotten in the water in puget sounds. it's consistent with him being in the water where that van was. >> and no sighting whatsoever of the mother's body? >> no. we have our coast guard helicopter doing the shoreline searches right now, we have our divers doing the waterline searches, and we're walking the driftwood along the shore throughout the area, trying to determine if she's in the area too. when the tide comes back up back out tomorrow, we'll be doing the same thing to e if she has washed up. if she would have went in the water in the same location he
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did, chances are they'd be close. >> everyone t those of you just joining us, a few nights ago we put out the alert for a missing mom. a beautiful young woman and her 8-year-old little boy. they headed out on a 120-mile trek to go see the grandfather. they never showed . they were spotted in various locations. at gas stations, minimarts. they pulled in at somebody's home, trying to find directions. she had never been to this location before, and now this. we do have video surveillance of the little boy. you see him right there, standing by his mother's side. one of the last sightings was of the m buying a jug of wine. the little boy standing there with her. back to sheriff ed troyer, the spokesperson of piece county sheriff's key apartment, joining us, fox island, washington. sheriff, did you find the jug of wine also? >> no, no, no. what we're -- we just found the body washed up on shore. there was nothing else on the
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beach with it. it was a pretty isolated beach, there's nothing, no homes or anything within 300 or 400 yards in either direction. so obviously it had come up when the tide came upigh because the body was sitting right where the high tide line was. as far as anything else, there was nothing else here. the acal scene where this all started, i wouldn't know that. >> you know, sheriff troyer, i belie you're correct, being found in the other jurisdiction. to matt zarrell, producer on the story. wasn't the jug of wine discovered half empty? >> yes, it was, nancy, discovered about a quarter of a mile from where the van was seen. she was seen at the mini-mt on surveillance 7:50 p.m. saturday night buying the jug of wine. the jug was found half empty, corked, not broken at all. >> we are taking your calls. out to ann in new hampshire, hi, ann.
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>> caller: hi, nancy. a pleasure to be on your show. >> thank you for calling in, what's your question, dear? >> caller: my question is i thought i heard somebody say that they witnessed her stumbling and falling after buying the wine? why would anody let her get in the car and drive with a young child after seeing that? i just feel the public needs to be more involved wn it comes to a case of a child, and stand up and go to that woman and say, you should not be driving. >> i know exactly what you're saying, ann in new hampshire. and you know what? you are exactly right. to matt zarrell, what do we know about the mom allegedly stumbling? >> okay. now, mom w at a diner at about 9:08 p.m. that night. mom orders a corn dog to go, pays for it, doesn't take it. she comes out of the diner. reports are she stumbled and fell in the parking lot. appeared sleepy at times. the boy even talked to residents, they had stopped at a
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house about 10:0to ask for directions, and the boy even mention theed to the coupl staying at the home that his mother had fallen. poce mention they do not believe the fall was serious. she just hurt her knee. >> out to the lines, denise in illinois. hi, denise. >> caller: hi, nancy. how are you? >> i'm good, dear, although i'm very concerned. i'm very i'm distraught about this case, concerned. because we told at the beginning that this young lady was a recovering alcoholic and she thad fallen off the wagon and then goes on god help that little boy, 120-mile trek to see the grandfather. and now this. now this. >> caller: you know what? i don't know why susan smith comes to mind. >> well, the little -- her three young children, strapped in seat belts. she pushes the car into the water. she's still behind bars right now, apparently queen of the jailhouse.
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denise, do you have a question? >> caller: it's heartbreing. i st wondered about, if they were able to put a better time line together with this videotape and everything? and what about the people she visited, because she was lost? >> exactly. what about it, matt zarrell? what do we know about the timeline? didn any these people -- at all of these locations notice mom stumbling, drunk? >> there were reports mom appeared sleepy. i have not seen any report she was intoxicated in any way. we know after 9:08 she goes to this diner. she looks to use the phone, it's not available. 9:50. 10:00 stops at a local resident to ask for directions. calls grandpa at 10:10. we don't know when she left the residence. at's the lt known sighting. >> tonight the body of azriel james carver has been positively identified by pierce county sheriff's department. last seen with his mother on
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120-mile trek to go see grandfather. mother, recovering alcoholic. one of the last sightings was her at a mini-mart buying a jug of wine, the little boy standing at her side. >> it looks to be an abandoned car or stolen vehicle on my beach property and it's partially submerged.
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late breaking ne for you. a boy's body has washed up on south puget sound in washington state. >> it is what appears to be a
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child's body. >> azriel and shantina smiley disappeared on saturday. >> looks to be an abandoned car or a stolen vehicle on my beach property and it's partially submerged. >> authorities believe this is little azriel. >> the area they went missing from is a pebbled beach and dips off into a rough current. easily take people down there. i spoke with a spokesperson for the fire department. they were dispatched out there to reports of a body, they did in fact find that body and tacoma fire department is now bringing out their fire boat to see if possibly the mom is in the water or if there is any other evidence or clues out there. >> we are taking your calls live. in the last moments here on the air spokesperson ed troyer has identified that body of 8-year-old azrie james carver, just beautiful little boy. also found, a ball that he played with all the time, a half empty jug of wine. his little body washed up
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ashore, about 15 miles away from where his mother's gold minivan was found parked, the doors open, her wallet still inside. no sign of her body. the two last seen alive -- re are the items that washed ashore. there's the orange ball, the baseball he played with all the time, he took in the car with him. the wine, apparently it was opened, corked and half full when discovered. he headed out with his mom to go see his grandfather. 120 miles away. they apparentlstopped at several places trying to get correct directions. including a mini-mart, one of the last sightings of them alive where mommy buys a jug of wine. the little boy standing there faithfully at her side. we're taking your calls. to sheeba, illinois. hi, sheeba. >> caller: hi, darling. you look beautiful tonight. how is little lucy feeling tonight? >> little lucy is so much better. >> caller: oh, good.
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>> when i think about this, when i drive with the twins in the back strapped in, don't you know it, everybody gets mad at me. there will be a line of cars behind me. i'm going about 25 miles an hour. >> caller: yeah. >> i'm so -- i was a speed demon before they came into my life. i'm just thinking about this mother and her jug of wine and the little boy standing beside her there at that mini-mart. >> caller: so upsetting. you know, you had told the other night that you had ner dealt with a gun and seen them. i wanted you to know that i grew up with them. my dad did everything from polar bear hunting, which was legal ck then, to quail hunting. >> right. and -- >> caller: we had guns all over our house. >> what's your question about this case? >> caller: this little boy. what happened to mama? could she have washed up under a
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bridge? >> good question. out to paul pinzone, director of prevention programs at childhelp.org. you were a former sergeant with the police department, a big police department. what do you make of it, paul? >> well, it sounds like the law enforcement there is really doing everything with the resources they have to stay on top of us. i mmend them for those efforts. just them talking through all processes. it's a big search. what sticks th me, your first caller talked about why didn't somebody notice something? it's obvious there was some type of impairment. the theme is, it takes a village to raise a child. you can never be on the side of being too cautious when you're looking out for a child. something t of an ordinary, make a call, let law enforcement look into it. no one is to blame right now. god forbid, if somebody called earlier and maybe got her before this occurred they could have saved a life. >> i am just sick about it. i'm sick about it. everyone, we're taking your calls live, it's just been confirmed here on our air, that this little body is that of 8-year-old szriel james carver. no sign of his mother's body as
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of yet. to tonight's case alert. the search for a 4-year-old little oregon girl, zoey dorsey, reported mising from her home. brookings. little zoey. 3'6", 40 pounds, brown hair, brown eyes. last seen wearing a white disney shirt and blue pants, white, purple and blue tennis shoes that light up. if you have information, call curry county sheriff. toll free, 800-543-8471. eeee
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there's no dispute that casey anthony is indigent and entitled to due process fundg of her case. >> i need to be looked at as a victim. i'm just as much of a victim as the rest of you. >> we're not seeking attorneys fees. no secret, i have filed an appearance in this case. i've been asked to join. i'm doing it pro bono. so there's no $1 million worry here.
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>> i'm not in control over any of this. >> what we're seeking is confirmation of ms. anthony's indigency, which should not be in dispute. >> my entire life has been taken from me. everything has been taken from me. >> missnthony is, in fact, indigent. she's been in jail for close to two years. no assets, no money. >> if, in fact, george did say to someone whom he was having an affair with, this was a terrible accident, that does not mean he has knowledge of it. >> george did not ever tell river cruz he knew what happened and it was an accident. >> there's all this smoke, all this mess, there's all this noise. >> the bottom line is george made this statement that the child was dead one month before the body was found, when in public he's professing that the child has been kidnapped. >> what does a jury think if, in fact, this information is presented to them? >> that shows that either he had direct knowledge of that death of the child or that the killer
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confided that information to him, that the child was dead. and the only person that has that relationship with him is the mother. >> my problem is you're seeking public funds, and trying to punch and get out of the way at the same type. you know, you want these funds but i don't have much about the source of what happened in the past and where that money went. so -- >> i'm not seeking any public funds today, judge. as i said, the lawyers are appearing pro bono. so therefore, it's nobody's business about what we're doing or not doing. unless you can show money previously paid was used improperly. i thought you already had a hearing on that. if you haven't had it on that, i have mr. baez and miss lyon here for the purpose of providing that information to you. >> they don't need to. the cot doesn't question her indigency now. there's just a roadmap we have to go through. we can't take any detours. >> today in court, just a couple of hours ago, tot mom shows up,
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admits in front of all of her lawyers in a packed courtroom that she has bagged over $250,000 so far since the death of her little girl, caylee. and then says she's broke. that she wants you and me to pay for her multimillion-dollar defense. also, we find out what that volatile state's evidence is that they have kept secret up until now. it is allegedly 50-plus handwritten letters by tot mom, secretly passed, apparently by a jailhouse insider, to another female inmate. what is in those letters? we know the state wanted to keep it quiet. many court watchers believe so they could get their hands on the letters before they could be destroyed. we are taking your calls live back out to jean casarez. correspondent, "in session," before we unleash the lawyers. jane, what else happened in court today?
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i saw tot mom laughing. what was funny? >> well, i think she was enthralled with her new lawyer. there is a new defense lawyer on the team. his name is cheney mason. he's one of the most respected defense lawyers in the state of florida. death penalty qualified, orlando-based, covered many cases. nancy, you and i on court tv followed many of the cases he covered. he's now a member of the defense team. >> and i understand he's hopping onboard pro bono for free. >> that's right. he's very close to retirement, and he decided he wanted to do the case. he said in a press conference he wanted to do it. he thinks it will be fun. he doesn't have to do this case. he's had a very, very long career, but he wants to get involved. >> let's unleash the lawyers. joining us tonight, expert in florida law, bill sheaffer, former prosecutor, wftv legal analyst. renee rockwell, veteran defense attorney, handling felony cases out of atlanta.
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and out of new york, practicing in multiple jurisdictions, along with the other two lawyers, mickey sherman, defense attorney, author of "how can you defend those people?" first to you, sheaffer. surprised about the turn of events today? >> absolutely not surprised. and i'm going to tell you something. we as the citizens of florida should hope that the judge does grant this motion for cost and that the taxpayers do pick it up. and by the way, i'm one of those taxpayers. here's the reason why. do we really want to deny her cost of investigation of this case, so that she gets convicted and on appeal she raises the issue of ineffective assistance of counsel, denial of due process, because the court refused to grant her indigency status? it's going to happen. >> renee rockwell, he's right. if you screw up at trial level, then you can look forward to
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retrying the case all over again, which would be double the tab. listen, i don't want to hear either one of you defense lawyers start up about the cost of a death penalty trial, all right? this is not about a price tag, this is about seeking justice for the brutal murder of a 2-year-old little girl. and liz in the control room, all you're showing me are pictures of tot mom laughing and yucking it up in a new outfit in court. this case is about 2-year-old caylee anthony. i want to see her, all right? can you hear me, liz? good. i'm glad your hearing is fine. to you, renee rockwell, how many times have you had a client that yaks behind bars? i couldn't be happier. you know, before every trial, renee, i would make it a point to visit, myself, not an investigator, to the cellblock where the defendant had been housed to find out if he had been talking. any casual conversations about
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his guilt. now we hear that there are 50-plus handwritten letters to a female inmate. thoughts? >> and, you know what, a nightmare. because all of those jailhouse rats that are going to talk about what the defendant said, that's one thing. you can challenge their credibility. but nancy, when you have notes, all they have to do is establish that the notes were written by anthony and then they're coming in. >> mickey sherman, i was wondering. a lot of us were speculating, i had never heard of the state saying look, judge, we've got some evidence that is so volatile, so explosive we can't reveal in open court what it is right now. we're investigating it. we want to go in camera, in the judge's chambers in secret to tell you what it is, because we want to keep it secret for a few more weeks. i've heard of the defense doing it. they always claim to have secret evidence. i have never seen the state do it till now. and now we find out what it is. have you ever seen anything like it? >> no. but also you're dealing with the
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state of the prosecution where we see everything all the time anyway. they flood us with information besides the videos of her chatting away to her family. we've been shown every bit of evidence. >> the prosecution is not doing that. >> i don't know. >> look, if she wasn't on video yakking and moaning about her plight behind bars, nothing about caylee, nobody would be looking at it. she is creating this. the state is not creating it for her. she's doing it all on her own. >> but the states producing it. they're giving us these things. not the defense. >> so? >> maybe we should wait and let her get a fair trial. and of these 50 notes, are any of them incriminating? are there any confessions? >> listen, i've got two syllables for you, mickey sherman. o.j. did you ever see a case that got as much pretrial publicity and they still got an acquittal on a double murder that he obviously committed. >> yeah, but then they played catch-up in vegas. >> i knew you would have a second verse same as the first. out to the lines.
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carol lynn in canada. hi, carol lynn. what's your question? >> caller: i have a question. we all assumed that george anthony's suicide attempt was grief reaction to evidence implicating casey and caylee's murder. my question is -- oh, before that, has anyone ever asked george really why? i think we all made assumptions. my question is, has anyone looked into the possible correlation with george's suicide attempt and the possibility cindy learned of his possible indiscretions at that time? >> good question. ellie jostad, you have very carefully taken a look at this timeline as to when this woman and whose family came on here and swore the story hadn't been ld. 24 hours later, bam. here it is. "national enquirer." "i slept with george antho and he told me all about what happened when caylee died." we don't know whether we believe this or not.
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but what about the timeline as it relates to george's suicide attempt? >> well, nancy, that suicide attempt happened well after this affair allegedly started. and george's suicide aempt, i believe, was after caylee's birthday, which was apparently which was at the point in which he and this woman broke up. and it's not clear at this point, there's no indication that cindy anthony thought anything was going on. and again, george says this affair never happened. >> and another thing about this "enquirer" article. ellie jostad, you know "the enquirer" usually has all the text messages, all the photos. you name it. they have one photo of them in public together at a vigil-type event for little caylee and one text message. that's it. and i'm supposed to believe she had an affair with george anthony? >> well, right, nancy. and the attorney for george anthony says this picture was taken at the vigil. they were there together but there's nothing incriminating in that picture. >> of course, we could both end up with egg onur face, ellie, when all the photos and text
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messages, if they kpifexist, co on. we're taking your calls live. to tonight's alert. the reward climbing in the search for a baltimore woman. 24-year-old sharice reagan. last seen feb 21 on her way to the catonsville area. baltimore suburbs. she's never seen again. ta a look. the reward, $4,500 and rising. last seen wearing gray sweats, a red hoodie over a black shirt, green and pink shoes, black purse, silver trim. please, take a look at this young lady. if you have info call -- 1-866-7lockup.
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all rise. >> i just want to let everyone know that i'm sorry for what i did. i takeomplete and full responsibility for my acons. >> casey anthony is indigent. >> her being declared indigent. >> everyone knew that casey lied. >> in my gut, she's still okay. >> what was the truth, we didn't know. >> believe everything my sister tells me. >> there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her child. >> everything that the defense has done in this case has always
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been 100% honest. >> reports surface, grandfather george anthony not only starts an affair -- >> george anthony telling his alleged mistress river cruz that he knew casey killed her daughter, caylee. >> she claims he said it was an accident. >> i believe in my daughter. >> it doesn't make any sense. >> what can i say? you believe your child. >> and he didn't say it. >> i got within three feet of my daughter's car and the worst odor that you could possibly smell in this world. >> you're not helping me help myself. >> we are taking your calls. out to dr. bethany marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "deal breakers." i want you to take a look at this video liz is showing you, just from a couple of hours ago of tot mom in court today. on several occasions, that's not the particular one i'm talking about. we'll get to it. on several occasions, she breaks out and starts laughing. >> i think she has a complete inabily to grasp the reality
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of the situation in which she finds herself. the affect is inappropriate. right? but it's been inappropriate all along. dancing on a stripper pole when her child has gone missing. hanging out with her boyfriend when she should be mothering, and in this case bursting into laughter. what is she so happy about? maybe the fact that the state might pay for her defense. maybe the fact that there's all this perceived male attention or that this very important attorney is going to be taking the case on pro bono, kind of makes her feel le she's in contro and pulling t strings. it's like it's casey's world and everyone elsis just living in it. >> y kno whi i've got u, dr. beany, i want to talk you about this whole "enquirer" article. i wanto grab it. noso much the article itself. you know, "the enquirer," everybody scoffs at tabloids. but -- they have been sued in the past and they've got quite a fleet of investigative journalists. they don't want to get sued again by printing something that's not true.
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and this woman is in here making these claims. what do you make of them? because when i had the family on, they said oh, no, we hen't sold a story to the "enquirer" i don't know anything. in 24 hours, here it is. a lot of other -- let me jt say -- inconsistenci. >> i read all the wires, nancy. both of these women have a criminal history. burglary. >> look, you have to take it with a box of salt, dr. bethany. when you sayriminal history, i prosecuted felonies my whole legal career, practically. and i think, you know, murder, rape, child molestation, drug trafficking. come on. arrested for check fraud? arrested for refusing to sign a traffic citation? i'm very underwhelmed, bethany. underwhelmed. >> however, from my vantage point, if it was theft, burglary. what are they doing? they're stealing his reputation. >> the other one does, skye
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benhida actually does have attempted burglary, forgery. a couple of convictions. they're not violent, but benida does have a couple of convictions. >> they're taking something that's not theirs to take. right? what do they do? they steal his reputation, insert themselves into the notoriety of the situation. it's a quick way to make a buck. sure there may have been an afir of the heart. did he engage in inappropriate havior? perhaps. i don't think there's any evidence that there's been an affair at this point. and these two, you know, they atify -- they gravitate toward this situation that has all this national notoriety and if they insert themselves into it, then they come to the forefront publicly. i think at that is really what all of this is about. >> well, another issue about it, let's unleash thlawyers again and go back to the lines. bill schaffer orlando, renee rockwell, atlanta. mickey sherman, new york. all three of you have seen your share of high-profile trials. but there have been a million witnesses that sell their story
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to "the enquirer," other tabloids. do i have to say kato kaelin? o.j. simpson? all the state's witnesses, a ton of them, had sold their story. i've got to tell you mickey sherman, it does hurt their credibility, even if they're telling the truth. does hurt their credibility. even if they're telling the truth. >> at o.j. that was lopez. >> that's the one. >> remember that one? >> yes. >> that was the linchpin. they immediately threw it to the side, said, we can't use her anymore. >> i think you're right. i don't remember that it was kato. >> no, it was rosie lopez. >> we're going towraek. i want to say get well to hardwick, a boy scout leader, just back from surgery at the mayo clinic. and i want to wish him the best wishes. get well soon, mr. butler.
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