tomorrow, wake up your news on "morning express" with me, robin meade. big news, breaking today, n "showbiz tonight," judging kate, she's kicked off "dancing with the stars." >> it was a great experience. >> the great debate that exploded today. is kate a big winner or a big loser? celebrity justice or injustice? michael douglas's son sentenced for dealing drugs. angry claims today that he got off too easy because of his famous family. and a day of outrage, outrage over kelly clarkson's shocking new connection to

cigarettes and outrage aimed at "south park" from radicals who support osama bin laden. hello, i'm a.j. hammer coming to you from new york city. >> hi there, everyone i'm brooke anderson in hollywood. big news breaking today, judging kate winner or loser. >> brooke, i'm not exactly sure who was more relieved she was finally kicked off "dancing with the stars," the millions of people forced to watch her awful dancing week after week or perhaps kate herself. because "showbiz tonight" did some serious digging today and discovered kate may actually turn out to be a big winner by being such a big loser. yeah, yeah, i know what you're thinking, how could she be a winner by losing? let me make some sense of it for

you. today, half the nation is in mourning. >> ohhh. >> and the other half is cheering. [ cheering ] >> kate and tony. >> kate gosselin is finally off "dancing with the stars." just minutes after she was eliminated, shobts shoib"showbi caught up with kate who thanked her fans. >> thank you to all of our viewers and voters who gave us the opportunity because that's really why we were still here. >> but now that the dance has ended "showbiz tonight" can tell you today kate gosselin finds herself in an interesting spot, the controversial time on "dancing with the stars" has made this mother of eight more loved and more hated than ever. kate gosselin made a big splash when first announced as a contestant on "dancing with the stars." >> i have eight children to provide for. >> she told everyone including "the today show" she was going on to support her kids.

>> i'm enjoying what i'm doing and thankful for the opportunities i can provide for my kids. >> moms across the country identified with kate and voted for her to stay on "dancing with the stars." >> suddenly, it was the fans that kept kate on the show, the moms who wanted her to triumph and keep dancing week after week. >> still, kate suffered from one little problem. >> kate gosselin may be one of the worst "dancing with the stars" contestants we've ever seen. >> her lack of dancing skills earned her grief from judges. >> it wasn't very good, kate. and i'm sorry. >> she's an angry [ bleep ] this one. >> and as early as yesterday, the kate question was still splitting the hosts of "the view" into two warring factions, the anti-kate faction. >> she sucks! she's got to go. >> and the pro-kate faction. >> she is a single mom trying to take care of her kids, doing what she's got to do.

>> reports of her difficult behavior behind the scenes didn't endear her to the masses. >> i'm stressed. >> really? start paying attention to my teaching then. >> back-stage video showed her as a less than pleasant student. at one point her dance partner even quit. in fact, kate haters even started selling t-shirts that read "free tony" but right after their elimination, they told "showbiz tonight" all that earlier friction was water under the bridge. >> that was a lot to deal with. >> i wouldn't say that. i mean, considering everything that was going on in her life, i thought she still gave me more than i could ever ask from her. >> also today, kate is still dealing with another problem from that gig. >> while she was off dancing her ex-husband jon petitioned the court to change their agreement. >> asking for primary custody of their eight kids who claimed her time on "dancing with the stars," based in l.a., turned

her into an absentee mom to kids who live in pennsylvania. some viewers shared his concerns. >> people thought if you are so worried about your kids should you fly across the country doing this show three days a week or at home taking care of them. >> kate and tony. >> even though she's now off "dancing with the stars," she's still plenty busy. >> kate says her next steps to go home and spend more time with her kids. we'll have to see if that happens with her new tv show coming up, promoting her new book. i mean, she may still be away from her eight. >> thank you for believing me -- in me. >> whether more hated or more loved than ever before, one thing is certain, kate gosselin is dancing into the sunset a bigger star than ever. there you have it. all laid out. good things for kate and bad things for kate. did "dancing with the stars" make kate a winner or loser? think about that. we have fired-up folks ready to have at it in the great kate

debate on "showbiz tonight." for our exclusive "showbiz tonight" poll, kate gosselin, are you glad she got kicked off of "dancing with the stars"? you can vote: or e-mail us at cnn.com. to another great debate that exploded today after michael douglas's son was sentenced to prison for dealing drugs. was this a case of celebrity justice? a new york judge just sentenced cameron douglas for dealing huge amounts of crystal meth. after cameron's father, michael, his wife and others pleaded for leniency, cameron got five years in prison. here's the thing. that was only half of what he should have gotten under federal sentencing guidelines. right now in new york vein velez-mitchell host of "issues" every night at 7:00 p.m. eastern on hln and in philadelphia, danny bon due chaduci, former c

star and now hosting a radio show. danny, beginning with you, like cameron douglas you, yourself, have spent a good part of your life battling drug addiction. do you agree with those who are outraged today, myself included, calling this a case of celebrity justice? celebrity treatment. >> no, because -- and as you, brooke, i'm sorry, you are mistaken about what happened. michael douglas writing a letter on behalf of his child did not get him five years at club fed which is half of the time he should have gotten. you know who did this, the d.a. who begged the judge for leniency because he was a police informant. you cannot put a guy like that in jail. he'd be killed. when you are in jail, the government is responsible for your health and welfare. and if they put him in jail after admitting he was a snitch, he'd have been killed within 90 days. >> but, danny, think about all

the many lives, all the many families that this guy has destroyed through dealing drugs. i mean, those are the real victims here. i think drug dealers -- because people die all the time from abusing illicit drugs. so i think drug dealers in a way are essentially murderers. lock them up. >> you are mistaking me completely. i'm just telling you he didn't get celebrity treatment but from the d.a., i don't care if he catches fire. meth is the great white shark of drugs. it is the worst scourge of the earth. this guy can make big rocks into little rocks for the next 300 years. i think drug dealers should be imprisoned and stop being coddled like crazy. i just wanted to answer your question about celebrity treatment. >> thank you for doing that. he pleaded guilty to distributing large quantities of meth and cocaine and perhaps -- >> large quantities of death. >> -- listen to this, in the "new york post i've "today, a.j., i want you to tell us

about that. >> i want you to see what the columnist wrote about what she feels is celebrity treatment. she says were this man's name smith, jones or rodriguez, this would not be. so, is she dead on there? is this a case of celebrity justice or just plain old injustice? we are back in 30 seconds. [ male announcer ] what is performance? 0 to 60? or 60 to 0? [ tires screech ] how a car performs in a quarter-mile? [ engine revs ] or a quarter-century? is performance about the joy of driving? or the importance... of surviving. to us, performance is not about doing one thing well. it is about doing everything well. because in the end... everything matters. performance without compromise.

that is what drives us. we are back with danny bonaduci and jane velez-mitchell. jane, do you agree with what she wrote, if cameron douglas were not the son of a celebrity he would have been thrown in prison for a really long time. >> absolutely, she's 100% correct. this is a case of celebrity justice. this was not just a user. they keep saying, oh, treatment over incarceration. i believe that but he was also a dealer as you've established and even after he was busted on dealing meth, major amounts, when he was in house arrest, his mother's fancy amountment he was caught trying to smuggle drugs in and a history of many run-ins with the law. anybody else would be doing serious hard time there. are hundreds of thousands of men behind bars as we speak serving many, many more years for far

lower offenses and most of those people aren't rich, they don't have rich people and famous people writing wlerletters for . most are poor and minority. we have to look at the racial disparity in drug sentencing in this country. it is a huge problem. >> danny, let's not cry for him because he will spend five years behind bars. >> i want to make this clear. he can go to jail for life. jane's absolutely correct. we all agree here. >> got it. >> i hate him. he deals in death. >> he could get out in three years with time served. >> i am hoping cameron can get his act together and i'm hoping someone can save lindsay lohan. we have disturbing reports about her wild late-night antics. danny, jane, don't go anywhere. it's today's burning question, should she be forced into rehab? >> it is a day of outrage here on "showbiz tonight." big brand new stories people everywhere just fired up. we're talking outrage over kelly

clarkson's shocking new connection to cigarettes. kelly under attack. why some of remember fans are just furious today. and outrage aimed at "south park" from radicals who support osama bin laden. are they really threatening to kill the people behind this show? this is "showbiz tonight" on hln, news & views. time now, the "showbiz news ticker," more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news today. energy. her. this. lives. how ? by bringing together... information. ... people ... ... machines ... ... systems ... ideas... verizon helps businesses worldwide...

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saving lindsay lohan. what needs to be done? disturbing new reports about her behavior and her mother coming to her defense in a brand new interview today. welcome back to "showbiz tonight." i'm brooke anderson in hollywood with a.j. hammer in new york. >> talk about a tale of two parents. to hear her mother speaking today, you would think all is

just fine in her world. talk to her estranged dad and you would think she is one step away from total self-destruction. so, does lindsay need to be saved? back with us from philadelphia, danny bonaduci in new york jane velez-mitchell. danny, just like lindsay, you've been through the revolving rehab door, you've been there and done that. every day, we're hearing new reports lindsay is out every night at a club. what do you think? is her father dead on, does she need serious help? >> i believe that's two separate questions. i don't trust a word that comes out of that man's mouth. on the other hand, i believe lindsay is in desperate need of help. >> fair enough. i want your take on that, jane. you also have chronicled your battle with addiction in your best seller, of course called "i want" and told everything in this book. you have some experience here.

from what you see, from all of these reports, do you think lindsay needs serious help? >> she absolutely does. this is a life-and-death matter. thank got i'm not hanging out with her but every published report i've read photos of her tripping, blocked from going into clubs because of her erratic behavior. her mother is not the answer. she appears to me classic enabler, co-dependent co-signing her bad behavior and dad is not the answer either going about it way too publicly with his own set of problems and history in this regard. maybe there is a grandmother who can step in and do an intervention. >> maybe we can get you two to step in. let's take a look what her mom is saying about all this. a brand new interview out today with lindsay's mom. >> what you read in the press is completely fabricated. if a girl -- not -- any child in the business, any girl in the

business goes out one night, you'll look at every magazine and they will come out for the next two weeks and they are weigh the same outfit. so, it's the same night. they are saying this child is going out every night and it's one night. you know, people don't understand how the press manipulates. >> danny there, are people who hear that and they believe lindsay's mother is in even bigger denial. >> she is. her father, as i said is completely trustworthy. he knocked on my door one night, i've never met the man, hugged me like he knew me and challenged notice a celebrity boxing match and i said who are you and he introduced himself. i said i'm afraid you'll have to become a celebrity before we can do one. the fact of the matter is, it makes me very nervous i agreed with jane 100% because that never happens. the fact is i have hung out with her and have seen her in bars and fall down in public, seen her get into a car, behind the wheel and have luckily friends pull her out and put her in the

back seat. because i just don't care much about these people to be frank you with but the people she could hit on the way home. >> yeah. >> i think she needs help right away or will wipe out a family on sunset boulevard and feel bad doing celebrity time. >> even though you don't fully trust michael, at least he acknowledges it but amazingly the parents see it so entirely differently. we'll leave it there. thanks so much. we were right there after kate gosselin got kicked off "dancing with the stars." >> that was a lot to deal with and, um -- >> i wouldn't say that. considering everything that was going on in her life, i thought she still gave me more than i could ever ask from her. >> yeah, kate took it pretty hard but her getting booted may be a good thing. is kate a big winner today? is she a big loser, the great "showbiz tonight" debate. kim kardashian's booty pretty much its own star.

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i think the perception. >> sorry for interrupting. >> listen -- go ahead. >> go ahead. this is my thing, she wasn't in pain, it wasn't that she was dancing bad. she doesn't know how to dance. she was literally doing the best she could and had nothing to do with was she not giving it enough time or spending too much time with her kids, not enough time? she doesn't know how to dance, that's the whole point of the show and you have people on there that really can, dancing all their lives and there is a huge comparison. but i'm telling you she was trying her hardest. >> there have been people in the past without dance skills -- >> she was completely out of her element. it was not natural for her. she obviously was not comfortable with it but doing the best she could and, you know, i talked to her monday night and said, at least this time at least were you smiling during the dance but that did not come easy for her. she really, really had to give

it some effort. you know, she was completely out of her element and like lauren said she was doing the best she could sdpli thi could. >> i think rachel will be thrilled to know. we did deep digging there, are kate haters out there. >> i'm not a hater. >> i don't know about that. some who say she damaged her image further because she was on "dancing with the stars." let's run down these. the diva reports floating around, of course the negative headlines, rachel, you mentioned those. a lot of people were absolutely convinced kate is addicted to fame and just like she may have gained more fans, look, there are some who think kate gained a bunch more haters this time around. now, lauren, you are with me, you don't see her as a loser but when i run down all the negative items about kate that came out, does hearing all that evidence change your mind at all? >> no, not at all. i've seen her, i've met her. you have to realize, people have

to sell magazines, if she say she's great and a princess, it doesn't sell magazines, as much as like saying she's a diva and she's evil and not around her kids. she's really not that person. i have talked to her numerous nights. she is a genuine sweet girl and she loves her kids and she's working hard and to say she's addicted to fame, come on, you could say that about anyone on tv. she's trying to support her children. she is a single mother. her ex-husband, by the way, not really working. she's doing the best she can and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind. i know people love to hate her but she's a great woman. >> i don't disagree with you but on the addicted to fame thing, i mean certainly we've seen evidence of that before. she got a little taste of it and really wanted to be on tv and also, you know, i admit she realized this is probably an easier, better way to earn a lot more money to support my family but there was a lot of drama created by kate on the set of "dancing with the stars," we can't deny that and the show definitely capitalized on the fact her partner, tony, almost quit on her at the very beginning, right?

"showbiz tonight" was right there on the set of "dancing with the stars" last night after kate was blown off the show. kate did freely admit to us she was a handful. watch what she said about that. >> i was a lot to deal with. >> i wouldn't say that. i mean, considering everything that was going on in her life, i thought she still gave me more than i could ever ask from her because most people would have crawled in a corner and just cried themselves, you know, to sleep. this woman still stood up, dusted herself off time and time again, every day and came to rehearsal and gave me the best she could at the time. >> rachel, i'm seeing an evolved woman, she admits she wasn't so easy to be with. i'm thinking, you know, her actually admitting that, you've got to admit you have a problem, right, her admitting that is actually a good thing and we can squarely put that one in the winner's column. can you? >> yes. >> oh. >> i think we can definitely put that in the winner's column. check one for kate, actually

some self-awareness, which is good. >> at the end of the day she did evolve. i think we are seeing a softer side of her i guess the question moving forward with her tv shows will people want to see her without all the drama, certainly a wait-and-see situation. i do appreciate you both participating in this great kate debate. i want to hear from you about all this stuff. are you glad kate is off "dancing with the stars"? do you think she's a big winner or is she a big loser now? get your camcorder, a cell phone cam, whatever it is, make us a 30-second video for an ireport so we can put it on here on "showbiz tonight." >> it's official "showbiz tonight" declaring a day of absolute outrage, outrage over kelly clarkson and her controversial new connection to cigarettes. a lot of people fired up. plus, shocking "south park" death threats? why a group of radicals with

ties to osama bin laden are outraged over "south park" and outrage over dena lo ha dena lot she said about her daughter tonight. now, the "showbiz news ticker," more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news today.

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>> a.j., kelly clarkson in a smokin' hot controversy today on a day of outrage, is the former "american idol" pushing a cigarette campaign with her tour. more big news just in on this day ever outrage a frightening threat against "south park" from radicals who support osama bin laden all because it dared to spoof the prophet muhammad again but this time in a bear suit. celebrity journalist and entertainment reporter. i want to begin with kelly clarkson. first, take a look at this giant billboard in the middle of jakarta indonesia promoting a concert of hers. take a look at that huge logo for a big indonesian cigarette company called "la lights." in her defense, she did not know these ads were going up and i want to ad the same thing

happened to alicia keyes a couple years ago and she demanded that they be pulled. ben, i think kelly should do the same thing, get those ads pulled. what about you? >> i'm pretty sure after this controversy, her people won't let any tobacco sponsors promote her future concerts. they have to accept different countries have different values and you can't criticize them for being california on an issue like smoking. i think it is unfair to criticize her about it but i think this rey are, dare i say, cultural elitism. >> i agree, maybe sit down with her management team and figure out how they want to proceed. a.j., she posted a blog today. what did she have to say.

>> i was happy to hear she did speak out about it. she said she had nothing to do with the billboards. this is what she wrote on her blog this afternoon. i was not made aware of this and am in no way an advocate or an ambassador for youth smoking. look, i have no doubt she didn't plan on this happening. she even called it a lose-lose situation. michelle, should she put her foot down about these ads? it is her tour, after all? >> i totally understand why she doesn't believe in smoking with a big voice like that she couldn't be a big smoker herself but has actually the biggest platform if she goes on in front of her fans and say, hey, smoking is bad. she has the platform to tell people what she thinks about smoking and she could just smoke her sponsors, basically. i wouldn't want her to roll out on her fans anyway. she should perform.

>> yeah. buff maybe find middle ground. maybe find a replacement sponsor. i've got to move on on this day of outrage to a frightening controversy over a "south park" episode a radical islamic group supporting osama bin laden issued a warning and veiled death threat against its creaters after their spoofing the prophet muhammad in a bear suit. watch. >> hold on a second. stop. there's some extremists threatening that if we give muhammad to the celebrities, they are going to bomb us. >> what? >> just a stupid threat. come on we don't want to piss off tom cruise again. >> they reportedly call the creators stupid saying they will probably end up dead. ben, this was part of an episode that also offended every major star in hollywood, a lot of major religions, isn't this what "south park" does?

>> well, it's all fun and games until somebody loses their life. i mean, i think a reasonable person might have hoped they wouldn't have picked this particular fight but at the end of the day you have to defend their right to express their opinion because satire is an important cultural value. at the end of the day it's what they do. i think they've got to keep doing it. >> yeah, and they should not take these threats lightly. it is very, very frightening and "showbiz tonight" reached out to comedy central today but they had no comment. more outrage today. lindsay's mom spoke out about all the reports lindsay is broke and partying way too hard. take a look at what she said. >> lindsay will spend money because she has people that run what she does. lindsay doesn't really pay her bills, someone else does. lindsay isn't in charge of her finances, others are. i'm not going to talk about any personal issues. >> wait a second. i'm a little bit confused. you just said i'm not going to talk about any personal issues

at the end of an interview in which you talked about lindsay's personal issues. michelle, is this just nuts? >> it's nuts. she's totally enabling her daughter but, you know, lindsay is 23 years old. she is -- she is a grown woman and it's high time she start taking care of her business. you know, if it has to do with the mom managing, it works look at beyonce and brandi and her mother. it absolutely can work and i think they need to get lindsay into treatment, rehab or straight to prison. what about downey, jr., robert downey, jr., who knew he would go straight to the bottom and then he's right on top again with "iron man"? so, it can happen. >> he is, definitely redeemed himself. she's getting slammed for this today and that's why we're saying that you are the newest recipient and certainly deserve

the distinguished new "showbiz tonight" slammy award. congratulations. all right. thank you both. as we move forward, heidi montague has changed a lot lately. can you say 10 plastic surgeries in one day? her big decision today. you won't believe what she's changed now. this is "showbiz tonight" on hln "news & views." now, the "showbiz news ticker," more stories from the "showbiz tonight" newsroom making news today. i'm ed whitacre, from general motors. a lot of americans didn't agree with giving gm a second chance. quite frankly, i can respect that. we want to make this a company all americans can be proud of again. that's why i'm here to announce we have repaid

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heidi montag sure has changed a lot lately. her face, her breasts, ten surgeries in one day, and now heidi is making another change. it is a change of heart. yeah, the str of mtv's, the hills has decided not to move forward with a sexual assault lawsuit against the show's producer. she claims that he touched her inappropriately, and heidi's husband, spencer backed up the sexual assault claims and now he is apparently backing her once again with this decision to drop the lawsuit. of course, "showbiz tonight" did reach out to speidi and mtv, but we did not hear back from them as of show time.

and a suit against magician david copperfield, disappears. and wait until you hear about a shocking drug confession today. that is in "the buzz today." >> a model who accused the magician of sexually assaulting her dropped the lawsuit against him. she claimed that copperfield molested her on the private island three years ago, but prosecutors decided there was no case. she dropped the lawsuit after a judge said she would have to testify about the attack under oath. the woman has been previously charged with making false sexual assault claims against another man. they mugged kumar, and star of the "harold and kumar" movies got mugged in washington. penn who had been working in the white house was robbed at gunpoint, and bad news for the mugger. the secret service is now on the case, because one of the two

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well to get background on the convicted murder, but she took a plea to second degree murder. it was a cold case, a dead girl found in a lake, and she was a girl in orlando christian school, and her conscious got

the best of her and she turned herself in and confessed and took the sentence. >> okay. let's talk about what she is throwing out here. chloroform is something that many have talked about and there were chloroform home searches on the anthony computer, and chloroform found in the syringe of a gatorade bottle, and so this is not out of the realm is it? >> no, it is not like she came up with this information and decided to talk to kathy bellich about it. well, some might say, well, the jailhouse snitch, well, there are a lot of people convicted because of the testimony of jailhouse snitches. >> well, stacey honowitz, this is a convicted felon here, and how does her testimony, and what she is saying, and the theory she is throwing out, how could that affect the case? >> well, it is interesting, because i am glad that jose biaz only thinks that the state has the snitches, because certainly, there is overwhelming evidence even before you get to the two individuals. lots of times in big cases and small cases, there are people in the jails that act as witnesses.

sometimes defendants in the jail do begin to confide in certain people, and if the state believes that this testimony is credible, and they have to meet with this person, and they don't throw it out, they meet with the person and grill the person and find out how the information got over there, and if the state feels that the information is relevant number one, and help their case, then maybe they will use that individual, so they have to see how it pans out. >> let me read a couple of facebooks here, stacy, because people are not discounting the theory, but they discount the inmate. do you really think that she is telling people these things? i don't think that the ip mate, casey drugged her, but she didn't tell the inmate. so people are saying, come on, casey not going to tell the inmate that, but you say, maybe she would. >> absolutely. we have a it so many times. you think to yourself, why would someone open their mouth? lots of times in jail, in prison, they do confide in people, and people find, you know, it comforting to discuss

with another person. i want to tell you something, it is not always with the belief that the person is then going to tell on themm or like people lie to call them snitches. we don't call them snitches, but provide information. while the credibility is at issue, it is going to be used for the jury to decide whether or not they are a convicted felon if the testimony is truthful. >> more on this coming up, and we will talk about the other things coming up, and the jealousy casey had between the relationship of cindy and caylee. i want to know what you think about this story. phoebe prince from massachusetts committed suicide after being bullied relentlessly, and now we are getting word from her own heart, essays she wrote leading up to the death writing things like, i have a song for every moment and a mood for my day and let them wash away any emotion i'll feeling. was this a cry for help? should teachers have intervened after reading and hearing that?

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she would pour it on like a rag, a washrag and put it over the baby's face, so she would inhale, and that will knock her out. >> did she say what she used to knock her out? >> oh, i can't pronounce it. chlorofoam. clor chrome? >> well, that is an inmate in the florida jail who said she spoke to casey anthony and they are saying that casey used to use chloroform to knock out caylee so she could go out to party. and joining us now on the phone

is brandy from texas. your thoughts? >> yes, this is brandy. >> go ahead, brandy. >> caller: i think that she absolutely did that, and the evidence shows, and that is why she was out doing all of the partying right before she got caught, because she knew once all of the fingers were pointed, she was going to do down. so, of course, she is going to party and get all of the partying out. >> okay. brandy, you believe that, and subscribe to that theory, and we talked again about that chloroform theory to knock her out so she could go party, and another reason we are hearing from the interview, and let's listen to maya derkovich say she would chloroform caylee rather than have her mother cindy babysit. because she was jealous of that. >> she said that if she left caylee with her more often they would get a closer bond, and that is not what she wanted. >> well, casey maintains her

innocence, and talking to beth karas says that this it is jealousy. so can we talk about that whole fact that casey was jealous of her daughter and mother? >> well, no doubt there is a acrimonious relationship between casey and cindy. there is problems with them, and that comes from interviews and family friends and people who are aware of these things, but also, casey loves her mother, and there are references to casey getting really uptight and nervous about seeing her mother. it is in one of the letters she sent to robin adams seeing her mother after three months in court. it is a love/hate relationship. >> that relationship between casey and cindy and cindy and caylee and how could that factor in as you try to build a case against casey anthony? ? >> well, if you look at the depositions over the last year, we have heard from beginning when caylee was born and the

doctors handed her to cindy anthony, the mother, and that really had irritated casey. and there was a lot of riff back and forth, and you even heard on june 15th, the day that last seen, you know, she was last seen after mother's day, that there had been an argument in the house between casey and cindy. so there is a lot of things to sort out here. and you know, had this woman heard this before from any other news reports is what i am asking, too. >> that is a good question. we have to move on, guys. thank you, mike, stacy, beth. should the nfl have suspended ben roethlisberger? she was accused oversexually assaulting a young woman at a georgia nightclub, but he ends up with a six-game suspension. i believe that the nfl made the right move and what do you think? make your comment at 1-877-tell-hln. we also want to know what you hear about this story -- new revelations about 15-year-old phoebe prince, the girl so

viciously bullied that she killed herself. >> they were all jealous of her, because she got a lot of attention. >> the bullying for her became intol rabblerable intolerable. >> if the school committee believes i should resign, they will tell me so. >> and hear the haunting words written by phoebe before her death, and the essay in english class on self-mutilation, and did the school miss a huge sign? it's monday,

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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. it is the first look inside of the tormented girl before she took her life. we are learning phoebe prince's own words and it is chilling. could it have been a cry for help? she wrote two essays for english class at south hadley, massachusetts, high school. and she described cutting, self-mutilation. this book i connected with, because it is truth in every

word and self-mutilation is about trying to transfer the pain from emotional to physical to more to what phoebe had written. if i'm a teacher and i had written this, wouldn't have alerted phoebe or called a parent? did the school miss a red flag here? we have reached out to the school, but have not heard back. to comment call 1-877-tell-hln. to talk about this more, we have a former educator who specializes in educational psychology. michelle, if you are a teacher and you read a essay like this, and she is connecting with a book on cutting, are you following up? >> what i would certainly be doing is cluing in a little bit closer to this kid, because i think that the first thing is, mike, we have to be clear on this. two-thirds of children before they commit suicide or homicide always tell. where a child is not verbal, it or they an write draw it. so, it behooves us, not just this child, but 1 of 12 american teens are going to suffer some bout of depression. for teachers to be able to start

looking at the signs, and this is a tragedy, and if there is anything from it, we need to get the lessons of like tuning into kids. >> well put. facebookers are agreeing. jody says that teachers should always intervene in this type of situation and now they look back and make excuses for not doing anything. and jen says a false alarm may be inconvenient, but not responding to a true alarm is regretful. so where is she at this point? obviously, from what we were gathering, she was bullied for months up to this, and writing this, and is she suicidal at this point? >> well, you not suicidal if you are cutting, but very often a cutter is to the point where they are certainly trying to cry out for i need some help. a child who is very depressed, very often that the pain of the emotion, they don't feel it. so, what they actually try to do is to cut in order to start feeling. the only thing that is a real key that is a tricky point is that you don't hear her say, i want to cut. i just agree with where the

author is coming from. my concern is, look, this is not just a little one-time gathering. this is going on relentlessly. it is is a child who is repeatedly being bullied, physically, sexual to the point where she is being pushed, and the insults keep going. if there is anything that concerns me, it is what we now know that one of the greatest other things you can do if a child is not getting help, allow her a way to report, anonymous reporting on high schools seems to be another way. i don't feel safe. i need help. and that can be another technique, but you have to put the places there for kids, because we have a lot of okids who are not feeling safe. this child is just over the top of not feeling safe. >> you make it sound like a bullying hotline is a great solution, and like you have said, it is a anonymous, and the kid can get some help. let's listen to the superintendent talking about how phoebe was a private person and they didn't know the full extent to what was going on. let's listen to that. >> she didn't reveal to people

what she was being subjected to, and unfortunately, until january 7th, we were not aware of what she was being subjected to, so it is very little way we could have intervened in the bullying that took place. >> again, if that is the case, all of the more reason to follow up on an essay like this, right, michelle? >> well, one step more on this, and that is monitoring is absolutely critical. so one of the best ways we reduce bullying at any school site is to get visibility of adults. this kid has been pushed into lockers and repeatedly insulted and not happening in the classroom i'm assuming, but out in the hallways. you put up mirrors and fake video cameras, because if a kid thinks they are at least being watched, you do some monitoring, because that kid was relently targeted with no help. >> thank you, michelle. more coming up, stay with us. allstate has more discounts than you can imagine.

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we are asking god almighty to intervene on our behalf and bring tiffany back to us. we are believers in jesus christ, and we believe that the power is prayer. >> the mother of tiffany te han who has been missing since saturday and that mom leaning on her faith, since she has been missing since saturday. joining us to talk about is pastor joe godwin who is the pastor at the church where her she and her husband at the end. i know you are praying regarding the circumstances, but when you look at this, is tiffany the type of person to run off and leave a husband and 1-year-old daughter? >> well, it seems very, very uncharacteristic of her. >> we know that she -- again,

regularly attended your church and taking marriage classes, and did anybody know about the marriage being in any kind of trouble, pastor? >> well, i think they the information is that she was involved in the young marriage sunday school class rather than taking marriage classes. >> so, was she teaching then? >> no, there is no indication that there is any problem with the marriage. >> and mark, what about tre hutcherson's marriage. we understand her wife is speaking out, and she believes they ran off together. what more is she saying? >> yes, a colleague of mine at the "dayton daily news" approached her at the house and identified herself as a reporter, and she identified herself as his wife, and she had not reported him missing, and so that marriage is probably not likely tiffany's marriage is like, it sounds. she said they probably did run off, and he would not harm her, and he had taken out a large sum of money, also, on saturday. >> well, again, hoping and

praying that tiffany tehan is taf, a safe, and again, the mom of a 1-year-old. thank you, both. and a grandmother deeply connected with the missing of hal haleigh cummings. the grandmother who says that misty says that she was thrown into the river with cinderblocks. >> people are starting to cooperate. >> misty had been on a drug binge for three days and she and ron had fought that day, and she told him she didn't want to babysit, and he told her, yes, you are going to babysit, and he left the kids there with her, and she was still strung out. >> i didn't notice about haleigh then until i saw the back door open, and she was gone and that is all i know. >> so, you they the conspiracy

extends to ron, and you think it is four people involved in the conspiracy? >> yes, ma'am, i do. >> again, haleigh's dad, ron cummings, and you look at him here emotionally distraught, and emotional since day one, and could he have really known more than he is saying about his daughter's disappearance? >> i just want my child back. >> we just want somebody to see her to, find her. >> i want my child back so bad. i would give them everything i own. all i want is my child. >> again, stunning developments, and here to talk about it is marlaina schiavo, the producer from the "nancy grace show" and been in the home where haleigh went missing, and also was is jane velez-mitchell. and also, jane, you spoke the flora and i almost fell out of my chair when she talked about ron and flat-out implicating him. let's get part of that

conversation. >> do you think that ron cummings, haleigh's dad is completely innocent and has nothing to do with this or is he having more to do with it? >> no, ma'am, i think that he has knows more than what he is saying. >> you know that ron cummings knows more? >> yes. >> why? >> because of the fact of him leaving those kids with her and her still high on pills. would you leave yoir kids with somebody who is all doped up? i wouldn't. >> no, i wouldn't. >> no, ma'am. >> wow. >> jane, your reaction is just like mine as i watched it, wow. my eyes opened up. what more did she tell you about what she believes is ron's involvement or possible involvement in this? >> well, actually, as she elaborated over the course of the interview expanded this notion of a conspiracy surrounding little haleigh's death, and she essentially said that it was four individuals involved. three of them were her grandchildren, misty, tommy and joe along with ross, so, she is

saying that all of the principle players in the saga are involved in a conspiracy, and they all know what happened to haleigh and they were all involved. now, she is going to be back tonight on "issues" because she raised her interview so extraordinary raise sod many question -- raised so many questions that we want to ask her further when she says conspiracy, a conspiracy to simply get rid of the body or all of them involved, according to her, in a conspiracy to kill the child and why? i have to stress that all of the individuals have said they are not involved. cousin joe in tennessee has hired a lawyer and says he is being framed by others. there is a lot of finger pointing going on between all of them, but as we know it is the story that the grandmother told that led the police down to the river to remove two cinderblocks for testing. >> let's bring in marlaina

schiavo and the ron's reaction and motions, and he would even said he would kill the person who did anything to little haleigh, right? >> absolutely. mike, if he was in on this, things would have happened. you have to remember that police had never said that ronald has been inconsistent in any of the things that he said. they have even cleared him as a suspect or person of interest in the case earlier on when they went through his phone records, and everything he has said in the beginning has checked out. it is misty's stories that never evered added up. >> jane, i know that flora is back again tonight, and we will be watching and i'll be watching, so we will be anxious to see what she has to say tonight. >> yeah. >> marlaina, thank you as always. coming up, the pittsburgh steelers learn the fate of the quarterback, ben roethlisberger, and i want to know what you think about this one. the nfl suspends star quarterback ben roethlisberger for six games, but he was never criminally charged with anything. and is the nfl above the law or

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crime stoppers at 888-580-8477 and again, a $16,000 reward being offered. and we have word today on if punishment that the nfl is dropping on steelers' quarterback ben roethlisberger. i was suspects a four-game suspension, but the commissioner roger goodell went further with six games. they said that there was not enough evidence to prosecute him, but roger goodell said that does not matter. >> it is about the privilege of playing in the league. when you conduct yourself that brings a negative reaction to the fans and from everybody involved in the league and reflects poorly on yourself and your team and the nfl, that is what the personal conduct policy is. you don't have to be convicteded of a crime. you are going to be held accountable for that standard,

and we expect them to meet it. >> again, roger goodell is doing a great job and we have been getting a ton of comments on e-mail and facebook. check out the commenting rolling on the bottom of the screen, and we want you to sound off. some are saying that the nfl is acting like the morality police. and some say, it is ridiculous for them to take action without criminal charges. and my only statement on that chiming in is that it is more of a workplace issue. if i went out and embarrassed cnn in some shape or form, i would expect a punishment similar to what ben roethlisberger is getting. call in, 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number and to talk about it is ryan smyth host of "in session" on trutv, and also, the spokesman for the zone in atlanta radio, and start with you, do you think that roger

goodell got it right or going too far? >> well, some people say where does roger goodell get off? well, it is a personal conduct policy, and he is saying sthat is a privilege to play in the nfl. i can decide fi don't enjoy your behavior whether or not you get to play in my league. think about this guy, he is preying on underaged women, feeding them shots, has two bodyguards, off-duty police officers, block a hallway to a bathroom, having sex in a public restroom and exposing himself to other women, and drunk and parading around a college town. i think that he has enough, roger goodell, to say, well, that is not making the league or the steelers feel too good. so roger goodell is judge, jury, and executioner in, and if roger goodell has embarrassed himself, and the league and the team. >> well, it is a great point. it is also about setting an example for the rest of the league and doing what is right by the fan. think about roger goodell, because he wants families to come to game.

he wants everybody to see family entertainment, and that is not happening when you have a star quarterback going out to try to drink with underaged women and try to lure them into the bathroom. so his thing is, hey, guys, around the league, there is a way that you should act as a football player for the nfl. if you want to go somewhere else, do it. but not here. >> and the nfl is the most popular sport in the united states, and i believe one of the reasons, they are doing a good job to keep the players in line. let's read off that roger goodell expects the players to be held to a higher standard, and this is what he wrote to ben roethlisberger. you are held to a higher standard, and there is nothing about your conduct in milled milledgeville that can be valued to the expectations of the fans or the anybody else. >> well, mr. roethlisberger should be suspended for the whole year as far as i'm concerned.

it is that you are sorry, you have money and always been that way. you get away with anything. >> all right. larry, thanks for the call. again, larry is thinking not enough here. we will take your calls and unveil for you, a poll in pittsburgh whether or not the team should trade him. call in on that. 1-877-tell-hln. this is an amazing story. a nor and daughter separated by 25 years, but completely by accident, they have a chance meeting and their lives will be changed forever. i'd get this tightness in my chest. like i was breathing through a straw. so i went back to my doctor again. we talked about choices in controller medicines. we chose symbicort to help control my asthma. [ man ] while it's not a rescue inhaler, symbicort improves my lung function, starting within 15 minutes. it helps give me the control to... [ inhales, exhales ] symbicort is a combination of two medicines. it will not replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms and should not be taken more than twice a day. symbicort contains formoterol. medicines like formoterol may increase the chance of asthma-related death,

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now we know that ben roethlisberger is suspended by the nfl for six games, and here is a poll that might surprise you. this is from the pittsburgh "post gazette" asking the readers if he should be traded and 61% of the folks in pittsburgh saying yes. we have a call originally from pittsburgh and a steeler fan, and karen living in south carolina. should they trade him? what do you think? >> oh, definitely. the pittsburgh steelers is not just a team. we are a nation. we are a family. we are the most devout fans in the nfl across the world. we stand through our team no matter what. we have survived the cower years, aed on the have someone disrespect us as much as he is disrespecting the team is an embarrassment not only to our team, but our city. >> karen, thanks for the call.

she is invoking the steeler nation on us, and you have read the poll. what do you think? >> well, did she say she survived the cowher years? talk about spoiled. well, what is amazing is that this guy is a two-time super bowl champion and one of the great drives in the history of the super bowl, but again, the stuff is so salacious that underaged drinking, college bar, exposing yourself to a couple of stories at his own parties, and sexual assaulting women, and i mean the stuff is so unsavory and guys have said, ben roethlisberger has been a, you know, the running to his aid wh was banged up. he's got a personality that they've had issue with. when you win that many super bowls, you say, all right, we can afford to have a few more lean years. >> yeah, exactly. donna is with us, west virginia. go ahead. >> caller: i agree with the last caller, too. i think six games is a minimum

he should be penalized for. we put so much pride in the steelers, not just in pennsylvania but the states around and all across the nation. >> there you go. >> caller: once you're a steeler fan, you're a fan for life. that's his -- his morals need to be reviewed. >> he needs to wise up for sure. donna, thanks for the call. ryan, i would -- listen, we'll see what happens here, but i applaud the steelers for taking that stand and for representing something. they didn't mess around with santonio holmes. they just dumped him, right? >> exactly. you know what? i've got to tell you, i'm surprised. but what this tells me is that fans care about image. they care about family. this is what people are tired of. they don't want their act lets acting up. it's not enough to play good on the field. you've got to be a good person. that's what goodell is saying. he says i want good people. you hear the fans right here. i would think they would want to stick by him no matter what because he's won the titles. but now fans are getting tired

of this. they want good representatives. that's what they're looking for. i think he could be gone. >> the steelers, what they stand for. we're hearing they are taking phone calls, one of the reports that are out there, if they get a top-ten pick coming up. we'll see how it plays out. thanks so much. we want to say this could be cut down from six to four games if ben roethlisberger complies with some conditions. a complete medical evaluation, comply with counseling, monitor his behavior. i think it will be four games, but with what team, we shall see. coming up, take a look at this incredible reunion. a mother and daughter, long lost for 25 years. finally reunited. ♪ (announcer) we all want to stay active. we don't want anything... ...to slow us down. but even in your 30s... ...your bones can begin to change. overtime, you can begin to have bone loss.

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