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breaking news, live, ohio. a young church mom vanishes while shopping. then video of mommy and the mystery man. cops i.d. him as a person of interest. the mystery man, treyb. hutcherson. we learn it's not the first time mommy's spotted with the mystery married man.
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his wife revealing thousands now gone from the family bank account. bombshell tonight, after a massive four-day search, her baby girl left without a mom, volunteers, family, friends, church members all on hold. the trail leads cops straight to mommy, and the married man a though and miles away at an oceanfront hotel. miami, south beach. mommy telling cops she wants to start a new life. with thousands in police resources, hundreds of man-hours wasted, will there be charges against runaway mommy? and what about the baby she abandoned for miami beach and a married man? >> tiffany has been found safely in miami, florida. >> now, after days of tension and frantic searching, missing church mom testify annie tehan has been found. >> she may have made mistakes
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but everyone does. >> tiffany and person of independent trey hutcherson stopped in miami, florida, where tiffany drops a bomb on cops, allegedly telling them she left ohio voluntarily, and intended to start a new life. but why? >> a woman claiming to be tre hutcherson's wife says they are together because they want to be. he has caused no harm to her. >> how could a pastor's daughter simply leave her 1-year-old baby behind? >> i can't blame her for any of it. >> will tiffany face criminal charges? cops say if she had picked up the phone just once, a lot of pain and wasted resources could have been avoided. >> i just don't see her leaving the 1-year-old little girl behind. >> i just don't understand that. that's totally not anything in tiffany's character at all. it's not something she
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traditionally would be doing. and we don't really understand why. >> and breaking news tonight, satsuma, florida, a 5-year-old tucked into bed. five hours later, she's gone. daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see her alive, new stepmother misty croslin. goes on to flunk four polygraphs. haleigh's father ronald cummings and stepmother croslin both booked. drug trafficking. suddenly, search teams, cadaver dogs, scuba divers, all searching the st. john's river. misty croslin taken out of jail in handcuffs to the dock, motioning out to a specific spot for police. cops announcing 5-year-old haleigh likely dead. evidence including two cinder blocks, pulled from the muddy waters of the st. john's. as the search for little haleigh's entire body and the murder weapon goes on, breaking tonight -- with pressure mounting, haleigh's family split down the middle on what happened
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the night haleigh vanishes. exclusive tonight, haleigh's great grandmother, and misty croslin's grandmother take sides and they join us live. this as reports possible murder weapons recovered, including cinder blocks and rope. but still, no sign of haleigh's body, at least no sign that police will confirm. i didn't do anything with that little girl. >> i didn't do it. >> i had nothing to do with none of that crap. >> those three grandkids of mine is involved in this and i don't know why. >> they're treating our family like crap. >> she's involved. >> she was the last one to see our daughter. >> she says nanny, tommy and joe took a rope --
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>> that's something that's hard to hear. >> tied it around her. >> i heard so many lies. >> they tied brick-0-blocks to her -- >> i do not believe anything. >> -- and dropped her into the st. john's river. >> why do they all believe it? >> i just want to know where she's at. >> where is -- >> haleigh. >> -- haleigh? >> my little girl. >> a murder weapon. >> the cops said there was a whole bunch of bricks. i never seen any bricks. >> we've seen her arrogant. >> i'm serious, oh, my god. >> we've seen her emotionless. we've seen her strung out. >> we have seen her nasty. >> get me out first. worry about me first. >> and now she may be softening up in terms of breaking and telling us what really happened. >> i said are you telling the police, too? she said yes, i am. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight.
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after a massive four day search, that spans the country, her baby girl left with no mother, a young church mom and the married mystery man apprehended by cops a thousand miles away about will there be charges against the runaway mom? and will she get the baby back? the baby she abandoned for miami beach and a married man? >> it's been our hope and goal throughout this whole thing to make sure that we bring tiffany back safely. and we have succeeded. >> breaking news, tiffany has been found safe in miami beach florida. cops say she was pulled over with person of interest trey hutcherson, the two willingly together. >> she's a person like everyone else. >> the cops tell us she left ohio voluntary, with the attempt to start a new life. the couple stayed together in a $39 a night hotel in miami.
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>> getting through life is not always easy. >> just how did the couple end up 1,000 mile as way from friends and family? >> a woman that claims to be tre hutcherson's wife said i know he would go to circle k and she's with him because she wants to be. she's not been hurt. they've run off together. >> law enforcement are not ruling out charges against tiffany tehan. saying they spent over 200 hours of police overtime on the case. >> does that cause you any anger at all? >> no. >> straight out to clark, our producer on the story. mommy turns up over 1,000 miles away with a mystery married man, saying she wanted to start a new life? >> in south beach, miami, no less, nancy. over 1,000 miles away from ohio where she vanished.
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and law enforcement there in south beach, nancy, saying that they made statements indicating they were romantically involved together, and mommy apparently saying she wanted to start a new life. >> thank you, clark. i think we can all determine they were romantically involved together. straight out to katie wright. reporter with the hillsboro times gazette, joining us at the zenith police department. katie, thank you for being with us. what more can you tell us? >> right now, we know tiffany tehan and tre hutcherson were located last night on the 79th street causeway in miami. we are told they were located by miami police acting on a tip out of the xenia police department here. police say they interviewed both tiffany and tre separately, just to make sure that tiffany was, indeed, acting voluntarily when she went to florida with this man. they confirmed that she is not
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in any danger and currently, they are not in custody and no charges have been filed. >> back to you, clark, goldband, explain to me how they were apprehended, what vehicle were they in? because mommy's vehicle was found with a flat tire, with the keys in the ignition. the doors locked, as if it had been abandoned. clearly, giving the appearance that there had been foul play. >> also, nancy, the person of interest car, that '99 red volkswagen was also found by law enforcement. so the big question was, how did they get down there? here's what we know, according to reports, a 2002 gray chrysler sebring was found there. now, what's interesting is that apparently this person of interest traded in that volkswagen friday. one day before they had vanished. and he told the car dealer, according to press reports, he needed to get away and needed a car that was more reliable. >> he certainly wasn't making that a secret.
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captain scott from xenia police department. right now, are any charges being considered against the runaway mom? hold on, i'm not hearing the captain. i'll get back with him. you can correct his satellite, rosie. clark, do we know of any current charges pending? >> no, we do not. but law enforcement said they have spent over 200 hours of overtime investigating this case, not to mention the thousands of dollars paying that overtime. and the fbi also involved, this spanning coast-to-coast. >> out to the lines to judith in michigan! >> caller: hi, nancy, good to talk with you. >> likewise. >> caller: i have a comment and question. my comment is, i have three children, which i could never, ever leave, because i love them dearly. i also have a grandson i have raised since he was three days old.
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my daughter was a daughter that -- just because you have a child come out of your body does not make you a parent. that's why there are so many adopted parents beautifully raising their children. my question is, why -- what i'm thinking of, this woman could have probably gone through postpartum, the baby's young, maybe she wanted to start a new life, and get away. men do it all the time. it's no big deal when a man takes off. when a mom takes off, they say how could they leave their kid? i'm saying just because a baby comes out of your body doesn't make you a parent. why would charges be filed against this woman? men do it all the time. >> judith, men do it all the time. believe me, here on this show, we don't act like it's nothing when men dump their families and disappear. let's unleash the lawyers and answer the questions. joining us tonight, felony prosecutor atlanta, eleanor odom. also with us, defense attorney, new york, richard hermann. with us also out of atlanta,
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defense attorney, peter odom. first of all, eleanor, it's not against the law to just leave, to just say, hey, i'm going to get the bread, bye, and never come back. that is not a felony, it's not even a misdemeanor. think about this, eleanor, did she intentionally allow it to be set up to look like she had met with foul play? launching a massive, nationwide search, thousands and thousands of dollars, thousands of man-hours by the police, all wasted? if she intentionally misled police, doesn't that give it a different interpretation? >> it certainly does, nancy. not only does that give it a different interpretation, but something else i'm concerned about is abandonment of that child. perhaps there's a charge there because she completely left her own child. i'm ed whitacre, from general motors. a lot of americans didn't agree with giving gm a second chance.
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five p police now say a missing ohio wife and mother, tiffany tehan wasn't missing at all. >> tiffany has been found safely in florida. >> tiffany tehan ran off with another man to start a new life. >> just how did they avoid cops? >> this video shows the couple together. >> hutcherson traded in his '99 red volkswagen beetle just one day before tiffany vanished. >> tiffany said she and hutch
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hutcherson were romantically involved. >> the sebring was tracked down in miami beach, florida. >> it's been our goal to make sure we bring tiffany back safely, and we have succeeded with that. >> we did have one question, though, are you going to work this out? is she coming home? and the family right now said -- >> she may have made some mistakes. but everyone does. >> we are taking your calls live. i want to go to clark goldband. i want to get this straight, exactly where was the missing mom? >> nancy, she was in miami beach, florida, it's about 100 miles away from the hometown where she went missing. >> i already know miami beach, i know that, where in miami beach. the international inn under bay? tell me. >> yes, nancy, she was at that motel. >> what is that? >> what is that? >> it's >> richard hermann, weigh in. $ $3r $39p $39 a $t
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>> richard hermann, weigh in. $ $3r $39p $39 a wr wp was stoppwas son leadileading bacp leadinle. >> listen, bethany, the caller is right, it's not a crime to leave your family, just walk out and never come back. do i approach? no, it's not a crime. but when you intentionally leave a scenario, set up as if you've been kidnapped, a flat tire, the keys in the ignition, you ignore voice mail, turn off your phone, don't check your cell. how do you miss the news coverage, it's on every major network, every dot com there is. where is the missing mom of one? we've devoted several nights to it trying to find this woman, how can that not be intentional? go ahead, throw postpartum at me. i've been there. >> it's not postpartum, because
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someone who's depressed would never have the energy to run away. what this is is profound pathological selfishness. the reason she gave for leaving, she wanted a new life. this is why women kill their babies. this woman should never be allowed alone with this baby again. she seems to fit like a borderline narcissistic personality profile, where there's initial clinging to new love or attachment figures, and that's all they want to do is gravitate toward the people they experience as admiring them, she probably gave no thought to her church, her minister father, her husband, her 1-year-old baby, so she thought in a pathological way that they would just -- >> bethany, let's boil it down. >> okay. >> i don't care about all the grown-ups, they can deal with it. >> sure. >> the baby is a different thing. don't start up with me like
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>> there's nothing to break me of. i don't know where she is. >> bottom line you don't know where haleigh is? >> bottom line. >> i spotted her by the river on the tv. this is something you should have said a long time ago. >> i was freaking out. i was like, nanny they got me. >> she said, but nanny, i was scared. >> today is a very bad day for
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me. >> they brought the family members to the sheriff's office. >> this is now a homicide search for little haleigh's entire body and the murder weapon. >> they need to start making funeral arrangements. >> what scenario do you believe unfolded? >> exactly what misty told me. about a rope and the cinder blocks and dropping her in the st. john's river. >> what do you think happened to her that night? >> chances are she's dead and that may be so, but statistics have also been proven wrong. >> do you think she could have anything to do with this? >> i don't know where she is. i'm not hiding anything. me being in jail has nothing to do with haleigh. >> yes, ma'am. >> they're doing everything they can to push her hot buttons. >> i'm serious, i was like oh, my god. >> they hope to shock her into some sort of revelation. >> it was crazy. or some sort of piece of information they can compare to what she said before. >> when i went to sleep, she was there and when i woke up, she was gone. >> that will bring it one step closer to a conclusion and an arrest. >> she does not deserve this. >> the family split down the middle about what happened the night 5-year-old haleigh went
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missing. they join us tonight. but first to jean casarez from "truth in session." what's the latest. >> you know, the latest is, law enforcement is now saying any bones at the river's edge were not human, they were animal. but in the same breath, they're not refuting the local claims that cinder blocks were taken out of that river and rope was taken from tommy's home. >> and the other thing is this, marlaina schiavo, even if they do not have any of haleigh's bones, what if they've got pajamas? what if they've got her shoe? what if they've got her barrette she wore to bed at night. lucy always tries to wear a barrette to bed at night. what about that? are police denying that, too? >> police will not tell us what they have. but we know what they do have is enough to call this a homicide investigation, nancy.
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it's enough to talk to ronald and crystal and tell them that they have to start making some sort of arrangements to get a death certificate or to maybe start planning a funeral and start thinking about that. so even though they're not being specific, we know they have something significant that they are working on. >> joining us right now, two very special guests, out of nashville, tennessee, flora hollars. this is misty and tommy croslin's grandmother. they called her from behind bars and gave their accounts of what happened the night haleigh apparently was murdered. also with us, annette sykes, haleigh's great grandmother. she was there at the home just hours before haleigh disappeared. first to you, ms. sykes what did you observe in the home that evening? >> i stopped by about 7:30 to
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drop off some laundry i had done. i always did the children's laundry just because it's something i've always done. the children were on the front porch with misty. they were eating supper. and when we drove up, haleigh jumped out of her chair and come running up and gave me a hug. junior came out and gave me a hug and i gave them a kiss. misty walked out. she helped carry some of the clothes into the house, and got the children's shirts on and they got back up to eat supper. i gave them a kiss, told them good-bye and i got back in the car and left. >> so all along, misty croslin told us that evening she spent doing laundry, doing the kids' laundry. so that's not true. you did the laundry? >> she did hers and ronald's and the household laundry. i did the children's clothes
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because i didn't like them to have stains or anything on them. i'm real -- i just always did their laundry, the children's laundry. they did the adults in the household laundry. >> and at that time, ms. sykes, ronald cummings was already at work? >> yes. absolutely. >> so he's out of the picture. i know by now you are aware that ms. hollars, misty croslin's grandmother, she's one of ones that called police, really believes that ronald cummings, your grandson is partially at fault. what's your response? >> i heard what she said on your show about ronald being responsible because he left the children with her and she was all strung out. but i was there and she was not strung out.
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she was walking and talking just -- i mean, i talked to her. like i said, she helped me carry the laundry in. she had fixed supper for the children. they were eating. >> i have a question for you. why didn't theresa take those kids home with her when misty offered to pay for her to take them home? >> i was not aware that she did. >> she most certainly did. >> hold on just a moment. ms hollars, where are you getting that information? >> i got that information from every one of them in florida. all my kids down there knew that. >> so that came from misty croslin? >> it came from misty and her mama, and it also -- >> whoa, whoa, stop. who was there when she asked ms. nevis to take the children? >> that i don't know. >> well, what other people may tell you that weren't there really doesn't account for anything. but ms. hollars, i want to go back over your assertion about what misty told you, what tommy croslin told you from behind bars.
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ms. hollars, now i understand that you believe there's a scenario in which little haleigh was molested before she was murdered. >> i feel like that. >> why? >> i just don't know but that's what i think. >> isn't it true that there has been a scenario put out there, and it had to come from behind bars, that misty croslin heard the child in the next room screaming? >> yes. >> where did that come from? >> so did little junior hear the couch bouncing. >> and my question is where did that story come from? >> it came from misty. >> what did she say? >> that she heard haleigh in there crying. >> and who was in the room with haleigh? >> i'm going to say joe or tommy, one. >> or both? >> or both.
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>> and what, if anything, did misty croslin do to take care of haleigh? >> according to what she told me when all this was going on, she had had already been threatened by joe, and she grabbed junior and got into bed and they covered up their heads completely. and when she took the covers off of her head, haleigh was gone. >> to ms sykes, annette sykes, haleigh cummings great-grandmother. that's the first time i have heard that scenario over the airwaves. what is your response? she would stay there with a sheet over her head while a child screamed in the next room. >> that's the first time i've ever heard that. i've never heard that before. i was not aware of that. i have not ever heard that story before. i really don't know.
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i don't see how anybody could do that, if it's true. i don't know. i have never heard that story before. i've heard so many stories, we all have. you don't know what to believe anymore. my thing is they're going to have to prove to me anything they tell me. if they want me to believe it, they're going to have to prove it. >> miss sykes, what do you think of them searching -- the police searching the st. john's river. >> well, evidently they had some tip, somebody called them, and they were down there searching. and i went down there early that morning and didn't -- you know, they wouldn't tell me anything. i knew what they were searching. i knew they were looking for something participating to haleigh, but i didn't really know what. >> i was the one that called you and told you that. >> yes, she did.
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ms. hollars called and told me, she certainly did, that she had called down and told them what tommy had told her. teresa and i went over to that area and walked around all afternoon and looked in the woods over there, but of course we didn't find anything and the next morning. >> everyone, we are going to a break, and we're taking your calls live. our special thank you to our facebook crime fighters, kansas friend candice, pregnant with twins. virginia friend, yvonne, a legal secretary, and ohio friend nora, who checks in every night on facebook. facebook friends, thank you. everybody, submit your photos at cnn.com/nancygrace and then click on facebook. you. you can save up to half off that sale when you name your own price on priceline. but this one's a deal...trust me. it's only pretending to be a deal.
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thank you for calling. >> yes. hi. nancy? >> hi, dear. thank you for calling. where were you that night, chelsea? >> i was at my home the night that haleigh went missing. >> chelsea, what do you make of all the scenarios -- chelsea, you need to cut your television off. if you can. >> yes. i went up there. i'm sorry. >> thank you, dear, back to chelsea croslin, this is timmy croslin's wife. she's calling from the cape cod area, living in satsuma the night haleigh went missing. what do you make of tommy croslin and misty croslin, really, their jailhouse confessions they gave to their grandmother? >> for one, i don't believe they gave their grandmother jailhouse confessions at all. if they did, i believe it would have been on tape. i believe the arrests would have already been made. everybody has been told, you know, not us, but tommy and misty, joe has all been taken in
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for their interrogations. i don't believe anything flo hollars is saying is a complete lie. i don't see misty sitting there and listening to her baby cry, not biological baby, but we loved that child as much as i loved my own. she would have never let that happen. she would have not sat there and done that. >> but chelsea, why would ms. hollars make up a lie about her own flesh and blood? >> ms. hollars has not been around our family for the last seven years that i have been with the croslins. i have met flo hollars, maybe two times. she's not involved in our family. so i don't know why she would want to hurt and implicate three of her grandchildren. it's just very sad she would do that. >> ms. hollars, what's your response to that? >> my response is why did she tell me the road to tell them to go look at?
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>> well, nanny, you were the one that said where do you want searched? and i said i wanted 309, not specifically a dock. i said 309, because i got a letter from misty stating that joe might have had -- or joe was the involving party. so from there, i called the detective, jason jollicer, the head detective on the case. >> and so did i. >> he did not follow up from there. i asked leonard padilla, will you help me with the search? i don't have money myself. and my goal in life is to find haleigh. that's all that matters to us. >> wait, wait, wait. back to chelsea croslin, what did you tell police where they should search? >> i told them that joe, when he was staying in satsuma with us, i lived in crescent city, a little bit farther, but it's all in the same area, he stayed at tommy's house for a few days until him and ronald had that falling out regarding the gun he had stolen which was recovered. from there, he went and stayed
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at another house. there was a car accident and he was airlifted off to gainesville. >> so are you saying that you believe joe overstreet is involved in haleigh's disappearance? >> i do believe joe overstreet is involved in the disappearance. i don't know if joe is the one that actually did do the harm and killed her, or whatever this horrible news that's out there. >> but wait a minute, chelsea, there's only three choices, overstreet, misty croslin or tommy croslin. >> there's not just three stories, nancy. i believe, you know, there's many more things to it. what happens if haleigh overdosed because there was loose pills laying around in that house? and i don't care what anybody says because i know for a fact there was. >> hold on, hold on. hold on just a moment. hold on. out to the lawyers, richard hermann, you have the whole family giving a scenario that implicates their own three family members. it's incredible, nancy. the caller is right.
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these are jailhouse phone calls. they've been recorded. law enforcement has listened to them. >> so? i already know that. >> right. but i would like to know -- they wouldn't just act now off of ms. hollars' phone call. does she have any contracts with tabloids or newspapers? >> no. >> that's what i want to know. >> good try, richard. >> just ask her. >> miss hollars, do you have a contract or a deal with any newspaper, radio or tv? have you made any money off this story? 1 >> i haven't made a penny off this story. i'm just telling what those two kids told me. and if none of them down there don't like it, they can kiss where the sun don't shine. >> okay. we'll cut out on that. very quickly, peter odom? >> if all this is made up, why is it police are finding things in the river? >> eleanor? >> i hate to agree with a defense attorney, but, yes,
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there's an air of truth to it, and it's being corroborated. >> very quickly to the palm beach county medical examiner, weigh-in on whether you would expect to find haleigh's remains if they had been thrown in the river? certainly they may find bones. depending on how far they want to search. first thing that i was told was that joe had killed her. >> it is reporting that two cinder blocks had been pulled during that massive search in the st. john's river. >> without a body, the case against the killer may have to be built entirely on circumstantial evidence. what did we make better ?
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throw something out there. >> that's not irresponsible, nancy umplgts she could be a witness at trial. she's not getting paid. paid by who? me? >> ms. sykes completely obliterated her statement that misty was wrecked that night when he left her with the baby. there's no credibility. she's just basketballing, getting her two minutes of fame. >> that's not true. eleanor, she is repeating -- here's the deal. police have all those phone calls recorded, so this will ultimately be settled when those tapes are played, bottom line. >> exactly, nancy. maybe ms. sikes didn't see her under the influence while she was there -- >> i didn't know you and misty were on a first-name basis, eleanor. i hear you. >> i agree with richard. you have to ask these questions. >> so second verse same as the first. >> it would be irresponsible not to ask these questions. >> you know what? you, peter, you richard, the two
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weak sisters of the legal panel tonight. >> oh, my god. >> because you're coming up, just making stories up like holers got paid. weigh in. >> i don't think this is a story a grandmother would make up about her grandchildren. the story about the boys in the other room and babies screaming is misty's manipulative attempt, and these stories will come out. i think they haven't so far, because misty has told so many lies. >> what about it, ellie? >> we're not going to find out what was said on those tapes. police said they won't release them, however they will confirm that flora and tommy talked, though tommy's lawyer says he only told her to call her lawyer. >> terry shoemaker, they all know the calls are recorded, right? >> absolutely. i've been burned many times in the system when why clients have talked on a telephone call and it came back to haunt them.
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>> i'm sure you advise them beforehand don't yak on the phone. just try to hold it in. everyone, let's stop and remember army staff sergeant harrison brown, from alabama, killed in iraq, awarded the bronze star, purple heart, lost his life easter sunday, left a college football scholarship to enlist. the gentle giant. believe behind his grieving mom, two brothers and high school sweetheart. three children, harrison brown, american hero. thanks for our guests, but especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.
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