breaking news tonight. live, idaho. as we go to air, we learn human remains found. the skeletal remains of a female, an adult female, now discovered. is it missing 28-year-old mom of two susan powell? powell last seen by her husband and two little boys when daddy suddenly announces around midnight he's taking the boys, age 4 and 2, camping in the snow at midnight at an undisclosed

location. he says when they come home mommy's gone. >> a body found in the woods in idaho. could it be that of missing utah mom susan powell? >> we just miss her, and we want her back, and i love her, and my boys love her. >> how are they doing? >> they're doing okay. >> do you have any idea what happened to her? >> no. thank you. and any help to try to find her would -- would be appreciated. so really, that's all. we just -- i mean, she's somewhere. and breaking news tonight in the search for 2-year-old florida girl caylee. six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area 15 houses from the anthony home confirmed to be caylee.

a utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton including a skull covered in light-colored hair. the killer duct-taping and placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple-bagging little caylee like she's trash. bombshell tonight. did a female fbi agent sabotage the murder case against tot mom? her dna found on the duct tape binding little caylee's skull. and in the last hours we confirm a mystery hair discovered on plastic found at the crime scene just feet from 2-year-old caylee's body. both scientific lab results giving the defense the trump card, when tot mom finally goes to trial. and tonight, more late-night pillow talk between tot mom and

another female inmate. the inmates revealing tot mom says she soaked a rag with chloroform and placed it over little caylee's mouth to knock her out so tot mom could party. the female inmate divulging that and more about tot mom behind bars. and it's all caught on tape. tonight we have the video. >> new documents just released in the casey anthony murder case. >> the unknown strand of hair found near caylee's body. >> there was hair attached. >> duct tape. >> hair analysis. >> newly released documents show the fbi tested a hair found on a plastic bag at the remains site. >> that's what they're going to try to find out-f they can link casey to that scene. >> trying to make sure that i'm not going to give anybody anything else to throw against me.

>> hair found at the crime scene doesn't match either caylee or casey anthony. >> reportedly doesn't match any officers who are working the remains site. >> casey anthony maintains her innocence. >> my entire life has been taken from me. >> the defense has maintained that someone else put caylee's body in the wooded area and could use this tiny five-inch-long hair as proof? >> even though i'm giving them nothing they're still doing it. >> a jailhouse friend of casey anthony's telling an amazing story. >> she told us casey anthony talked to her about using chloroform to knock out caylee so she could party. >> she would put it on like a rag, like a wash rag, and put it over the baby's face, so she'll inhale it and that would knock her out. >> did she say what she used? to knock her out. >> i can't pronounce it. chloro foam -- >> i'm not in control of any of this. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us.

bombshell tonight. live to idaho. as we go to air, we learn human remains found. the skeletal remains of a female, an adult female, now discovered. is it missing 28-year-old mom of two, susan powell? >> the body's badly decomposed but police say skeletal remains are likely female. a stranded motorist made the grisly discovery. local police contacted utah investigators working on the powell case. idaho falls is, get this, 213 miles north of salt lake city, where susan lived. you may remember cops say her husband, josh powell, rented a car after his wife disappeared and took a mystery trip, driving several hundred miles before returning the car. >> i know there was quite a huge effort out in the west desert looking for any sign of her. is that where you were camping? >> i just have to go get my boys. thank you.

>> straight out to jean casarez, legal correspondent, in session. she's on the story. jean, what's the latest? >> you know, nancy, from the very beginning we had heard that if anything happened to susan powell we would find out once the snow was melted. well, nancy, it's that time. and a female's decomposing body was found in the idaho falls area. and nancy, it's about 3 1/2 hours from where susan powell lived and was last seen. >> to jim kirkwood, reporter with ktkk news ratedio joining out of salt lake city, utah. thank you for being with us. what condition is the body in? >> they're indicating it's badly decomposed and they'll have to do some tests, i guess dental and dna, to find out if this really is susan. >> jim, jim kirkwood with ktkk news radio joining us out of utah. jim, when you say it's badly decomposed, do we know if there's any soft tissue on the body? >> that they're not really

releasing a lot of information about because the police are holding things close to their vest. they're saying it could be weeks or months before forensic tests are back. but they'll do a dental right away. they're going to know really quick. >> to dr. michael arnall, a board-certified forensic pathologist. dr. arnall, it's so important if there is soft tissue, skin, muscle on the body because you're more likely to get a cause of death as opposed to a completely skeletonized frame. >> that's exactly right. >> explain. >> well, if you've got soft tissue, yyou would be able to se evidence of a knife wound or gunshot wound. you may see evidence of natural disease or cancer -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa. dr. arnall, please. just give me a tiny break tonight. this lady did not go out into dense foliage and heavy woods and die of cancer. okay? >> well, you don't know that she

didn't have -- you don't know that she didn't have cancer and committed suicide through an overdose or something. >> i agree with that. i agree with that. but nobody -- i doubt this adult female went off into the woods to just die like a sick dog. okay? i don't think that happened. but if there's tissue, soft tissue, skin, muscle, what more can we learn from the body as opposed to when it's completely skeletonized? >> there are innumerable observations you can make on the tissue themselves, not the least of which is assisting in the identification of this individual. >> what about dental? >> dental examination might take an hour for an experienced forensic dentist. >> about an hour? >> they could make a comparison with premortem, the x-rays from the family dentist. they could make that comparison in perhaps an hour and have a

positive identification. if they had x-ray records on the teeth from this individual's family dentist, yes. >> mm-hmm. and doctor, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be missionng a tooth. it could go by caps, crowns. all type of dental features can help identify you positively, right? >> that's exactly right. the shape of the cavities, the shape of the crowns. maybe this person had dentures. so any type of dental restoration is helpful. even without dental restorations the presence of wisdom teeth or the absence of wisdom teeth can also be used as identifying factors. >> mm-hmm. and especially with teeth that are even slightly misaligned. you know, for instance, they cross in the front or -- a host of misalignments can help make a positive i.d. on a body. when you don't have dna, when you don't have soft tissue. is that correct? >> that's exactly right. >> with me, dr. michael arnall,

board-certified forensic pathologist, an expert in his field out of denver, colorado joining us. back to jean casarez, legal correspondent. jean, i want to go back to the discovery of this body. an adult female, everyone, has been discovered in the idaho falls area. it's only about three hours from utah, the utah location that josh powell, susan powell's husband, says he last saw his wife alive. who discovered the body, jean casarez? >> well, it was someone that was working in the area with those wind turbine units. and they were trying to get cell phone reception. so they actually were just walking through this very rural area and came upon this body. but nancy, it is a heavily snow-filled area. and if snow has been covering that body for months, since december 6th, for instance, and it just began to melt, some of that decomposition we hear could be pretty severe might not be quite as bad. some of the body could have been preserved. >> back to dr. michael arnall,

given the fact of jean's reporting of the heavy -- the deep snow that is just now thawing, is there a chance, dr. arnall, that she may have actually been preserved, frozen in a sense? >> if this person went missing december 7th and has now been discovered in a snow field in april, there's a significant chance that that person would be quite well preserved. if this person is skeletonized, that may actually suggest that this person has not been in the snow but actually was there before it snowed. so they may actually use that as information which allows them to determine how long this person has been present. if they're not preserved, they likely were there before the snowy season. >> and the whole story, everybody, remember josh powell says he's taking his two boys camping, age 2 and 4, at midnight in the snow? then can't quite get it straight to tell cops where they went

camping, the exact location. then takes off, tries to sell the house, and moves to washington. we are taking your calls, live to carol in california. hi, carol. >> caller: good evening, nancy. >> hi, dear. what's your question? >> caller: my question is if this is susan powell's body would the police have taken soil samples from her car and tires right at the beginning? and i hope they did. >> excellent question. to you, marc harrold, former police officer city of atlanta, johning us out of d.c. what about the soil samples? >> well, hopefully they did do that. it just depends on how they saw the investigation going, when they determined that she was actually missing, and this sort of thing. but it's a great idea. hopefully, they were that comprehensive. but you just never know what they did at the beginning of an investigation. >> we are bringing you breaking news out of idaho falls. an adult female's body has just been discovered in a densely wooded area. is it the remains of 28-year-old mom of two susan powell? as of yet, her husband is a no-show at the scene.

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police say skeletal remains are likely female. >> is it missing 28-year-old mom of two susan powell? >> josh powell's bizarre behavior has made him the focus of the investigation into his wife's disappearance. >> susan powell disappeared without her purse, without her cell phone. police say the case is very suspicious. >> speculation comes from josh's story, that he took his 2 and 4-year-old son camping in the freezing cold of the west deserts on the night susan disappeared from their west valley home. >> we just miss her, and we want her back, and -- and i love her, and my boys love her. >> this whole idea of leaving in

the middle of a sunday night when it's cold and freezing outside to go camping and to make s'mores with two very young children makes no sense on any level. >> do you have any idea what happened to her? >> no. thank you. and any help to try to find her would -- would be appreciated. >> and you can contact him in his new home in washington. out to rupa mikkilineni, our producer on the story, rupa, what more can you tell me regarding these remains just discovered? >> nancy, these remains were just discovered. we know that they are the remains of a female person. and right now they're looking towards trying to figure out who this could be. it is possible that it could be susan powell. she literally may have disappeared around this same area, which is where josh powell says that he went camping. now, let's go back just a little bit, nancy, and let's not forget the suspicious situation under which she disappeared. josh powell, her husband, says he took the children camping in

freezing temperatures in december and then left her behind, his wife behind sleeping except that the next day when she vanished she didn't have -- her purse was there at her house, her wallet, her keys, her cell phone. she just vanished? how? >> we are taking your calls live. out to clair in indiana. hi, clair. >> caller: hello, nancy. i'm thinking that the husband is so controlling that i would think that he would be so upset that he didn't know or doesn't know where she is that he would be livid instead of passive. and i also have been following your program for years, including this story from the very beginning. and the first impulse that i got was that he probably stopped along the way from point a to point b and dumped her body off, and the excuse was that he went camping. but if i were police, i would look to point b, i would look

somewhere between point a and point b. >> you know, claire, that's an interesting and actually highly valuable observation. i've always believed that the deed, if it were done in the home, if it were, that he drove simply to a dumping ground. i don't think there are very many experts who believe she was taken away from the home and killed. we are taking your calls live. out to shannon in new hampshire. hi, shannon. >> caller: hi. how are you? >> i'm good, dear. what's your question? >> caller: first of all, i just want to thank you for all you do for victims. >> thank you. >> caller: my heart goes out to you. >> thank you. oh, i hear you've got a baby. >> caller: yeah. well, not a baby. 4-year-old. and i was very blessed. my question is how far from the dumping grounds was the body found? >> okay. how far from the dumping ground was the body found?

to jean casarez. was there a dumping ground? was there a dump near there? i didn't know that detail. >> no, i think the body was found where it's believed the body was dumped, placed, put. and that was close to a roadway. but it was still a very, very rural area, about 3 1/2 hours from the last place that susan powell was found and seen, which was her home. >> and jean casarez, you say it was a roadway. was it an interstate or a rural route? >> it was a rural route. it was nothing urban about it. it was out in the middle of nowhere. >> a lot of times i just go camping with my boys. nothing big. i just go overnight. and we do s'mores and stuff like that. and so i just went with the boys. you know, i didn't -- i was somehow thinking that it was sunday. i didn't go to church, and i

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a female's decomposing body was found in the idaho falls area. it's about 3 1/2 hours from where susan powell lived and was last seen. >> do you have any idea what happened to her? >> no. thank you. >> west valley police say joshua powell remains their only person of interest in susan's disappearance. >> speculation comes from josh's story that he took his 2 and 4-year-old son camping in the freezing cold of the west deserts on the night susan disappeared from their west valley home. >> we are taking your calls live. as we go to air, we learn the body, the remains of an adult female have been discovered in rural idaho, idaho falls. it's about a three-hour drive from where susan powell, the 28-year-old mom of two boys, ages 4 and 2, went missing.

back to jean casarez, legal correspondent in session. jean, rupa was going through the facts of the evening susan powell disappeared. since then the husband has moved to washington. what else can you tell me about that night and the events since then? he is the only known person of interest to my knowledge. >> that's right. he's never been named a suspect but person of interest. i think that night is what makes everyone remember this case, because he said he took the two kids, 2 and 4 years old, snowy night, that he took them out camping and they spent the night in the van that night, returned home -- >> how do they make s'mores in the van? don't you need a campfire for that? >> i guess do you. if you have a match and a rod and a marshmallow, i guess you can try to doing some, but one of the -- >> jean. jean. jean. >> yes. >> you obviously don't know a lot about s'mores. >> i do from girl scouts. >> those are marshmallows. you can't -- >> matches. you need matches. yes. i understand what you're saying. you need a fire.

you're right. you need a fire. but you know what everybody remembers from this case, was that when her father came out begging, begging for anyone to come forward, josh did not. he did not speak pleading for mercy, for anyone to come forward in the disappearance of his wife. >> it's been a long ordeal. it's kind of like waiting to breathe again. it does feel good to be around and feel like i might be able to provide something somewhere. perhaps it's false hope, but it's a hope. hi. i'm jim perdue.

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a body found in the woods in idaho. could it be that of missing utah mom susan powell? >> we just miss her, and we want her back. and i love her, and my boys love her. >> how are they doing? >> they're doing okay. >> do you have any idea what happened to her? >> no.

thank you. and any help to try to find her would -- would be appreciated. so really, that's all -- we j t just -- she's somewhere. >> the body's badly decomposed, but police say skeletal remains are likely female. a stranded motorist made the grisly discovery. local police contacted utah investigators working on the powell case. idaho falls is, get this, 213 miles north of salt lake city, where susan lived. you may remember cops say her husband, josh powell, rented a car after his wife disappeared and took a mystery trip, driving several hundred miles before returning the car. >> i know there was quite a huge effort out in the west desert looking for any sign of her. is that where you were camping? >> i just have to go get my boys. thank you. >> we are taking your calls live. back to jim kirkwood with ktkk. for those of you just joining

us, human remains, an adult female, have been discovered in a rural area of idaho falls. it's about three hours from the utah home where 28-year-old susan powell was last seen alive, to our knowledge. her husband decide add round midnight that night, december 7, pearl harbor day, that he would take his two boys, ages 4 and 2, camping in the snow in freezing weather to an undisclosed location. he says when they got home mommy was gone. she left behind her pocketbook and cell phone. back to jim kirkwood, ktkk news radio, what more can you tell me about the area in which the body was dumped? >> i know the area, nancy, and it's an area where deer hunters, rabbit hunters, people like that go. a perfect area to dump a body. it's sage brush, wild grass, small quaking aspen trees. the road where she was found

near is a dirt track. just the -- just vehicles driving over it, mostly trucks out there. not many cars. have made a track in it. but it's just dirt. and a perfect place to dump a body. somebody killed the woman there and dumped her. the only question is who she is. >> when you say it is very rural, out of the way, how often is that rural route used? >> based on -- i'm looking at the picture of it, and there couldn't be more than a few trucks go over that in a week because it's not a real road. just the track where the truck tires have made two ridges in the dirt. there's no gravel, no nothing. it's just dirt. and weeds. >> with us, jim kirkwood with ktkk news radio. joining us out of salt lake city, utah. let's unleash the lawyers. joining us tonight, child advocate, family law attorney, susan moss, new york. peter ellikan, defense attorney

and author of "super predators," boston. out of new york, former prosecutor turned defense attorney doug burns. weigh in, sue moss. >> we'll never throw in the towel searching for susan powell. listen to what he says. he's saying any help would be appreciated. appreciated? this is a man who just love his wife and help would be appreciated? this guy is so suspicious, no wonder no one's going to leave him alone until we solve this case. >> to peter elikan. peter, why hasn't the husband shown u7 on t shown up on the scene? >> nancy, as a defense attorney i'd have to concede his story is fishy from beginning to end. nothing about it looks good at all. i still haven't seen any evidence against him. but his story is not good. and i think that's what a criminal defense attorney would be looking at and pushing on. other than that, his behavior and the story really undermined and undercut him. but i haven't seen any real evidence other than it sure looks fishy. and they're going to need more than that. >> back to my question to you,

doug burns, why hasn't the husband shown up on the scene? >> well, he's moved away to washington, according to -- >> so? >> -- what you were saying. look, his behavior's suspicious. either he's sort of an academy award-winning actor with that driveway performance or he's just totally full of it. but the fact of the matter is that it's consciousness of guilt. that's what the defense lawyer has to overcome. but as my colleague said, there's no real proof, and you've got to just ride it out, see what happens. >> okay. susan moss. i've asked both the defense attorneys, both who have sterling reputations, why the husband hasn't bothered to show up here at the scene, idaho falls. if that was my loved one and these could be her remains, i would be there. you can get an airplane ticket and be there in a couple hours. what's the problem, sue moss? >> well, maybe he doesn't want her to be found. maybe if she's found there will be evidence. maybe he knows where to look. and if he takes the wrong step, everyone's going to know that he knows more than what he's telling.

>> out to the lines, shirley in missouri. hi, shirley. >> caller: yes, nancy. if i have my facts right-i think i heard jane say something about he rented a car, is there any way they could get that mileage and figure out if there's any difference between where the body was found and back to his home? >> good question. what about it, marc harrold, former cop city of atlanta? >> yeah, if the records are the way they should be, obviously if he's charged by the mile they're going to have it. they can figure out the distance -- he got the one question about is that the area you go hunting in and he immediately terminated the interview there. so absolutely, they're going try to figure out how far he could have gone on the miles he had in that car, maybe if there was a mileage voucher or goss voucher, try to put it all together and see if that's somewhere he could have driven in that rental car. >> let's go to dr. mark hillman, clinical psychotherapist, author of "my therapist is making me nuts." mark hillman, it's great to see you again. thank you for being with us. mark joining us out of new york. mark, why do you believe he has not come to the scene?

this could be his wife's remains. >> well, certainly he is protecting himself. and the forensics will play out the way they're going to be. obviously, he knows something. but my concern is a husband or a father takes a 2-year-old and a 4-year-old camping at 12:30 in the morning in freezing cold weather on december 7th? how come child protection service is not involved with this? and i would do a background check on what's going on in the state of washington. he is clearly suspicious. is that the remains of his wife, susan powell? that we don't know. but his behavior, like the other defense attorney said, is very suspicious. where's child protection services? >> good point, mark hillman. to sue moss, i see where he's got a tiger by the tail. he can't hold on, and he can't let go. if he doesn't go to the scene where the body is found, it suggests that he knows it's not her. if he does go to the scene

without police supervision or direction, they would say how the hay did you know how to get there? so what do you think? >> but you've got to do something. this is somebody who he pledged to love for the rest of his life. this is someone who he had two children with, who he says he loves very, very much. if that woman's so important in his life and his children's life is missing, you do whatever you can to help her, to find her, to bring justice. >> back to rupa mikkilineni, our producer on the story, rupa, regarding what was left at the home, i know her pocketbook was left behind when she disappeared. what else? tell me the circumstances. i recall when the cops got there he had a big fan blowing on a wet spot, a big wet spot in the carpet, and he would not explain it to police. >> that's right, nancy. when police got there to the house to search for the family -- because all of them at that point were missing. josh powell was out camping, and they didn't know where mom susan

powell was. they had to break into the house through a window, and when they got into the house they saw a big wet spot on the carpet with two fans blowing as if there had either been some kind of a water leak, which is doubtful, or some type of a cleanup had happened. >> well, they could determine whether there was a water leak forensically. out to the lines. jesse, oklahoma. hi, jesse. >> caller: hello, my little favorite victim rights fighter. >> hi, jesse. thank you for joining us tonight. what's your question, love? >> caller: well, the girl from missouri covered it a little bit about the car really has me baffled. have they isolated that car and checked it for forensics? >> oh, i know the answer to that is question. and he rented the car, to my understanding, jean, was it after police seized his mini van or before? >> no, i think it was before. and you'd better believe they have all those records. but remember, charges have not been filed so, a case has not been filed, discovery hasn't started being released. so we are not privy to those results. >> that's right, jean.

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>> just smiled. it didn't bother her. >> she's the most important thing in this entire world to me. >> i still believe my daughter. >> i believe in my daughter. >> i believe everything my sister tells me. >> they've already said they're going to pin this on me. >> the charges against her are -- >> overlapping layers of duct tape. >> child abuse. >> try to pin it on zanny the nanny. >> traces of chloroform. >> regardless of how if happened. >> they found the bod you why. >> i will lie, i will steal, i will do whatever i can to find my daughter. >> they don't know if it's perjury or not, right? >> directly connected. some things they found on the body -- >> there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her child. >> some things they found in her home -- >> the media's going to have a fricking field day with this. >> it's pretty cut and dry at this point. >> may have some mistruths out there or half truths, but she is not a murderer. >> it's not my place to judge her. >> do you understand, miss

anthony? >> yes. >> we're really having a tough time. >> we are taking your calls live. stunning evidence in the tot mom case. did a female fbi agent sabotage the case against tot mom? not only that, mystery hair identified on plastic at the kram scene. plastic just feet away from the body of 2-year-old little caylee. straight out to drew petrimoulx, wdbo radio from orlando. what happened, drew? >> basically you're talking about two different supposed contaminations here. first of all, they found a five-inch-long thin dark-colored hair at the crime scene on a piece of plastic. that was tested for the crime scene, cross tested with the crime scene investigators and with the anthony family, and we've learned that that hair does not belong to any of those investigators or the anthony family. also, an fbi investigator was going over the duct tape that

was found covering caylee anthony's mouth, and she got some of her dna on that duct tape. they did pinpoint it to which fbi investigator it was. and those are basically the two things that we're talking about here. >> well, that's plenty because we see what contamination or mishandling can do for cases. i mean, look at the orenthal james simpson case, the double murder trial. contamination was argued in that case. he was acquitted. do i have to say phil spector? he also claimed tampering at the scene on the part of the state. we know what happened in that case. what about it, jean casarez? >> when you look at this crime scene that was so close to the anthony home, nancy, it's one of the most contaminated crime scenes i think we've ever seen in all the cases that we've covered. prosecutors will say, though, it doesn't make a difference because what is relevant at that crime scene is the triple bags that were around the remains, the remains themselves, the

bones that were in the area, and the foliage and the roots and the vines that showed -- and the soil levels that showed how long the remains had been there. >> ellie jostad, exactly what do we know? >> well, nancy, we know that they actually took seven investigators who had hair that seemed to be similar to this mystery hair that was found, they pulled five hairs from each of those people, and they did comparison. and they could not find a match to any of those people. we know it also doesn't match the anthonys or caylee anthony. so right now it's unknown who that mystery hair belongs to. >> all right. but the big difference in the o.j. simpson case, ellie jostad, is that, for instance, when simpson stood up with the bloody glove, it was the glove at the scene the night of the murder. it was soaked in blood. all right? >> mm-hmm. >> this is just a piece of plastic out in the woods. how do i even know if it's connected to the body? >> well, exactly, nancy. and that's another point that's been made, is this area, this is

a vacant lot, and we see it -- >> isn't it behind a school, like an elementary school? >> there is a school nearby. and you see it when you look at everything that was, you know, collected at the scene. there's all kinds of trash there. there's bottles. there's newspapers. there's many pieces of plastic. so it could be anything. >> unleash the lawyers. joining us, susan moss, peter ellikan, doug burns. peter ellikan, it's a defense attorney's dream. now, try to tell me in a nutshell, i understand you're a great orator, but in a nutshell, peter, why is this a treasure trove for the defense? >> all right. two things. first of all, the hair there brings open -- even though there's a lot of reasons why that hair could be there, it brings open the whole idea in front of the jury's mind, hey, there could be somebody out there, did you prove this case against her beyond a reasonable doubt? end of story. this is huge in that area. the other thing about, it i'll briefly say, as far as the fbi investigator contaminating the crime scene there, it contaminates the whole case

because what you do then, you raise in front of the jury, look, here's some incompetence or some malfeasance or whatever in this area. the whole case, the whole investigation, there could be all kinds of incompetence in the whole thing. so it really does contaminate the whole case. >> don't you think, doug burns, that the defense as a pre-emptive strike needs to go ahead and get a comparison, a hair comparison to kronk, the meter reader? s and who -- and some others who we believe the defense is going to use as a scapegoat, claim theg dthey did it and not her. >> i definitely agree. what the other guest is saying is right. two-pronged attack. number one, this hair doesn't come back to my client, ladies and gentlemen. and number two, i think is more important, is the contamination. and you don't have to go crazy with it. you just politely suggest, look, if one thing is contaminated everything's contaminated. as peter said. >> what about it, sue moss? >> no one will care about this spare hair. don't forget the other evidence. she didn't report her daughter

missing for 30 days. she goes out for partying. then she blames the zanny nanny. there are so many other factors in this case that this is not going to make the difference. >> if casey harmed caylee, she didn't do it alone. >> this is a homicide case, there is still no eyewitness. there is still no forensic proof. there is still no confession.

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do you think there's any way -- you know this case in and out, that the jury would fall for a hair, an unknown hair on a piece of plastic in the woods? we don't even know if it's connected to this case. and we know the dna on the masking tape, we know it was an fbi agent. >> thousands of people go by, it's only 16 feet off the road, there's houses and a school. the main thing you got to remember is the makeup of the jury in florida. it's going to be definitely of a different mind, of a different situation than the one that tried o.j. simpson. you have to understand that the o.j. simpson jury was driven by several factors that the florida jury is not going to be driven by. so the hair is not going to make any difference. there's too many people that go by there every day. if they wanted to spend all the money that florida has got in their treasury, they could find

out who that hair longed to. but it's unnecessary. it's just junk constantly being thrown out there. just not going to make any difference whatsoever. >> to the lines, diane in wisconsin. >> caller: hi, nancy, we love your show. >> thank you, diane. what's your question, love? >> caller: my question, i was just concerned about if this was going to break the case. but it's unbelievable to me that this little girl could be missing for 30 days. i have kids of my own and my son is a sophomore in college. if he was living here, when he's home during the summer, i want to know where you're at. this little girl was missing for a month and the grandmother never said a word. >> you know, diane, i didn't even get to play you the information, the tapes that we have of the female inmates and the pillow talk. wait till you hear that.

when you hear that, diane in wisconsin, you and your sister are going to flip. tonight, has a wrench been thrown in the state's case against tot mom? very quickly, let's stop and remember navy petty officer first class robert mcril, killed iraq. a photographer, awarded photographer of the year award east coast. had many published photos, loved fishing, volunteering at church. remembered for his barbecue ribs. leaves behind brothers michael and ron, widow catherine. robert mcrill, american hero. thanks to our guesting but especially to you. i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. and until then, good night, friend. -d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-dd