[000:00:00;00] which has a total of 3 and gives more subsidies to the 11 who have two cars. today we want to talk about this at the economy table and see how this is going to change . i invite you to follow this discussion if you are not interested, watch us on the news channel. thank you. they don't have any car, no gasoline subsidy and no share of that subsidy that all the government

they came to say that we have, for example, billions of tomans, billions of dollars in hidden subsidies every year, we pay money, we do so-and-so , they don't have any share of this gasoline subsidy, the gasoline that has always been said, for example, if we look at it over the border, the price is very different, here we are subsidizing it. why are we giving the subsidy so that it ends up being cheaper? for example, as a result of inflation, the people who are using the car will be supported, but what is happening in practice? totally opposite to what should be in the usual purpose of subsidies okay, the one who owns more than 2 cars , naturally, as much as the one who has 3 cars, he will get 3 times the subsidy , he will get 3 cars , he will get subsidy. the one who has one gets a subsidy and the one who has nothing has no share of this subsidy and the cost that the government is paying out of his own pocket . there were several suggestions. one of them was that instead of giving cars a share of fuel and allocation . let us make this allocation to the people

and let us give this quota for the people if they don't have a car, at least there will be justice between them, they should get their share, and now if they want to keep it, keep it, if they want to sell it at any price that is determined now, for example, we are not talking about changing the price of gasoline. we are talking about the fact that there are a lot of people in the country, 500 households that do not have a car at all, they do not get any subsidy from and they do not get any share of gasoline, so naturally these should also be subsidized. beneficiary and this should be justice be divided it means that if you are a family of four, you will be paid a share of your fuel. if you are two people, two people, whether you have two cars or 10 cars , your property is yours and you have more . as long as you have a car , don't take

more than 3 cars. get more subsidy, if it was less , get less subsidy. we want to address this in the economy table let's see what is the issue of the government? what the law says, how it has been implemented so far, what the parliament is going to approve, what it tells us, how this subsidy we are talking about is supposed to be allocated to all people. a report is prepared by colleagues in the engineering group, let's see it together and come back and start our conversation. unfortunately, poor and low-income people don't even have a bicycle . they don't have gasoline because they don't have a car, they don't have a car, but it should be the same so that no one is entitled to anyone. in our government , all the people of iran have the right, those who don't have a car. even those who don't have a car, but they belong to iran , have a car, but they say that the gasoline subsidy should not depend on owning a car , and the more the car, the more the subsidy , the richer, the more it will be used, while

the discussion of the subsidy is basically for people. there are those who don't have or have less, the party is using foreign cars from these gasoline subsidies, get 5 quotas, get one, well, this is natural, a discrimination, allowing subsidies, including gasoline subsidies, among all people, 14 years ago, the parliament in the targeting law subsidies to the government continued examining the report of the consolidation commission on the program bill, this time the members of parliament discussed the gasoline subsidy during the examination of article 31 of the seventh program bill. the article that allows the government to distribute the subsidy of energy carriers among all people and emphasized that the subsidized price of gasoline quota will not change.

in this mechanism, when it is possible to get a thousand in a year, we should take from the rich people's pockets, give it to the poor, give it to the needy, those who don't have a car, their crime is that they don't have a car, these fellows don't have cars, and they receive the cars, not the people. both at 50% households in the country have been explained. 50% of the households in the country do not have a car, and practically those who do not have a car do not benefit from the gasoline subsidy. the speaker of the parliament says that the examination of this article was stopped in the public forum so that an agreement between the parliament and the government could be reached. because this work has now been done and it has been discussed in the order of the consolidation, i am here , article 28, 29, 30, and 311 of the consolidation of the parliament

will announce its agreement or opposition to the equal allocation of gasoline subsidies among all iranian families by the end of the week. and sima, yes , we saw my colleague's report together here at the table studio mr. shariati, a member of the energy commission of the islamic council, is present. also, mr. sarmili, executive vice president of the smart fuel system , has been added to the group . in addition to greeting all the guests of the program, i would like to start with mr. shariati and the question that mr. shariati basically made a legal request that we should give gasoline subsidies to all the people now that we are talking about gasoline, and what is supposed to be done in the parliament and in the program the seventh be examined in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. to you and all the dear viewers of this news section and the program of the economic desk. hello and good evening . before i start the discussion, i need to thank the honorable government of this movement for completing the half-finished plans in this

provincial trips are being carried out. it is really an effort and a sacrifice because the plans are in the name of the previous governments that did not carry them out, but this government is doing this work because it has the country's resources and it must be done . therefore, thanks must be done. regarding the argument that the infrastructure and foundation of the islamic government is the foundation of the republic we are talking about justice, fortunately, in some cases, many of the past trends have now been corrected, but we are still facing a category in the field of energy carriers, and we see an injustice in the distribution of subsidies to energy carriers that has happened. approximately, the statistics that i obtained about three or four years ago when i was working as a researcher in a center was that based on the need of iranian households for energy subsidies and the extent of their benefit from these subsidies , the ratio of low-income deciles and high-income deciles was approximately

it was 1 to 30 at that time, that is, according to need having it means 10 times the use of high-income families, but one-third of their needs were caused by all households, and in practice, this real ratio was about 30 times in the field of electricity, gas, and gas in the 1st parliament, and then the government implemented it. it slowed down the process. but the reason was that electricity and gas are used by the general public , and you can define a model , say lower than the model. subsidy for all people and increase it above the model in an incremental way , whoever consumes more should pay more. why import money? a portion is imported and should be given to all the people who use it the most. but this cannot happen in gasoline now, because you mentioned that nearly 50% of iranian households do not have a car, and gasoline is explained based on the car, not on the basis of

people. i need to emphasize one word here, the discussion we are having is not about the price, it is not about the price increase at all , the discussion is that the current trend that is happening, the tozi system should be changed instead of replaced. to give gasoline to our cars, to give households based on a model, let's say houses based on the number of family members in the head of household card on the card, for example, if the head of the household is the head of the household , our subsidy system has been running for years and it is almost tested, it has been prepared, what should the exam be like? for example, we will give the money to the people or if it is a friend of money , it is wrong. we will give the quota to the head of the household based on the number of family members, and he will see it in a time frame set by the government. the government should be a regulator, the government should not be a price setter, the government says i will give a portion of subsidy to everyone the subsidy system became fair and was explained to everyone. you can also subsidize a part of it. for example, every iranian person can say to the head of his family

, i will allocate 15-20 liters of monthly quota. those who have a car will use this, and those who don't have a car can buy it in the market. people who need more have more consumption at a higher price that the person who consumes more wants to sell it. the exchange market between people, which fortunately was implemented last year in the kish and qeshm islands, from a technical point of view, worked perfectly, and your statistics. we found that the concept and model should have been modified later to develop now, due to the fact that there was no understanding between the two home ministries of the government , the ministry of economy and the ministry of oil, and there were some concerns, such as the implementation, it did not continue. because i want to read it in the same way, the institution in charge of the infrastructure did not provide this process that was supposed to be done, there was no problem with the agenda, that is , from the technical point of view, there was an answer, and from the point of view of

the technical infrastructure, in my opinion, the right thing happened . however, the guardian of this matter, despite a lot of good things have been done with oil, this is the discussion of oil sales, our export discussions , anyway, energy diplacy, but we have to come to these important things that if we had done last year , we would not be consuming gasoline today, we would not have had to import. mr. sirili, please tell me that basically, since you are now the representative of the ministry of oil , does the ministry of oil agree with the allocation of gasoline to the national fertilizer instead of cars or not? dear people and dear country, everything is done in the way of the people well, in fact, of course, the ministry of oil is in favor of it, but this work must be done in a way that is organized, planned, and implemented so that, god forbid , there is even the slightest problem and challenge for our dear people who think that yes, it is fair, in

fact, that this gasoline subsidy will reach them. don't face the challenge. well, what you are saying is that i want to see you, as a representative of the ministry of petroleum, whether the ministry of petroleum is basically in favor of this or not. in some cases, it goes back to oil. if we have an advisor, i told you that 10-15 organizational units and the ministry of home affairs are healthy . in that infrastructure and preparation conditions i want to see that basically, with this thinking and with the fact that this is being discussed now , we are talking about fuel being allocated to national codes instead of cars, and fuel subsidies being allocated. the ministry of nef agrees or disagrees. the ministry of nef agrees to the aspect of its administration of justice, but to the aspect of its technical implementation, which other zinhan and other trustees should, like the ministry of welfare in determining the dimension of the household, like the ministry in creating infrastructure, such as regulatory and

security organizations such as defense, afta, and sharam. at your service , other ministries and organizations that are in charge and there are 100, they should be at work. how many percent are working now? in any case, we are in the open plan . well, before you even want to go to the devices, how many visits do you have? from a technical point of view, we ourselves, the part that was necessary was the design of the switch, what kind of division. we prepared this in the shortest possible time, but when we got to the implementation stage , we faced many challenges in the parts . it was interrupted for many hours. the infrastructure network was not ready. millions of people whose families we still had if you are sorry, we say that after the family, for example, it is not clear, what you mean is that, for example, if a person has a child

, he is still considered in the family of his parents , for example, it is different for you who want petrol for yourself. but he was still a father in khanmar, that is, he came to the place, he could not get his share with his bank card , that is, why, because his children were on shares, for example, his wife was on his father's share, and i myself was his father, and we also had a lot of trouble there, 15 million really , not there, in klur, maybe we have more of this let the ministries be in charge, i am at your service, and the ministry of oil is technically capable, but in the inflation department, in the department of many issues , especially in the fuel quota, it has two departments , an allocation department, and a consumption department. the allocation is actually happening above, on the side where the fuel is, this is what is being done, we now have a request for a plan like saman, which

was implemented 17 years ago, maybe four or five years, it was planned . pilots in zahedan it was implemented, all aspects of the card were seen, all of its problems have one point to defend you mentioned, what was the problem with defense? defense, no, i mean that because we are located in one point, when we fuel the baanki card with it, in the position of aiti and wav in one point, that is, we have permission to command the nozzle and for a cross, we give fuel to one part , which is also aiti. it means that there is even a company, that is, in a way, in the platform, for example, it exists in this exchange system, which is on the internet, which means that there are many parts. in any way, these organizations now, for example, we go to the gas station, we fill up gas, of course, we draw cards , our current network, smart card system, is a completely network. it is independent and not connected anywhere, and it is not connected to the internet anywhere, and it is completely unique and very safe. if it has lasted for 17 years

, it has been hacked once. no, that is a separate issue from those other issues, but even in one month it is impossible for a person in iran to stay without fuel in one place for 17 years in 20 years, because it is offline and online, because we also somehow managed it again , that is, it did not last more than three or four hours, but it is a big thing, but i mean that you should come. put the internet in the network and everyone wants to reach here, we should not give you a defense they are in charge of approving that infrastructure and its connection with the defense regulatory organization . mr. kishori is the deputy energy of our defense organization. and do you confirm these or not

? salam alaikum, i am greeting you, dear majwi, dear viewers and also dear guests of your good program on friday evening . we wish a good evening to all dear ones . friends said that the discussion of allocation fuel is given to people instead of cars, which is the policy of the parliament and the respected government, the plan that we served all the dear ones from different institutions in various meetings, had good meetings with related institutions, and i wanted to tell you that the details of it will be finalized by the government. can i pilot it in some collections like kisho? the service of qeshm has been done. anyway, there is a national plan. several collections are involved in it . i can fully explain the general and dimensions of the plan. it has been extracted from your service. in essence

, what is the issue? it is clear how it is and what it is. work needs to be done and part of it is about simplification there is a plan, mr. kishori, excuse me, because we have eaten up our time, now my question to your excellency is, has a joint meeting been proposed, has the ministry of oil presented you with a plan that you should do or not? yes, in the related sector and the non-operational defense organization, because the security of the base is against the changes that the enemy is planning today, and you also said that in this field it is necessary to do this work, and considering the importance of fuel supply and the extent of this it has a plan. in our opinion, these infrastructures and systems must be of service to the people to make sure that this work is done, this plan definitely needs the architecture of the plan, the equipment, the facilities, the systems that are considered for this purpose must be determined, definitely after checking

the approval, my question to you is whether these things have happened or not now. it seems to me that in the discussion of how the devices are now , none of these devices are of service to you . transfer of the registration system of institutions the equipment that they want to use, we do not have these at the level of your executive service . defense approval is required for all plans according to the law. i need to express my service . my question is nothing else, mr. kashori. please be careful. i am suggesting that a program

has been presented to you that needs your approval and you have not approved this plan. i have to say that i will serve you in the organization until today we haven't come to investigate, god willing, make it simple to confirm them, so nothing has come so far, thank you very much, mr. shariati, please tell me about these challenges that i am raising, how important are they ? he has not presented any plan to the defense that needs approval for the housing and infrastructure aspects. how did i say it? now i will return to you, sir. approximately three to four months ago , a meeting was held at the secretariat of the supreme national security council . i discussed the disagreements. well, i am from the commission energy, i went there, my topic was the same discussion about the allocation of quotas on the national code and bank card of the people, from all the agencies that were present in that meeting, whether they were the supervisory agencies or the executive agencies of soda smuggling, i don't know, the security agencies of the program organization

, everyone agreed except for the representative of national palsheh company. i am happy that this happened today. naturally, any plan that wants to be implemented takes time to complete. this is the allocation of subsidies that people are receiving now. there were some problems on the first day. some people protested. it is natural that a family whose information is not registered cannot question a national plan. this is gradually being corrected . this is exactly what we are saying. if it had started a year ago, a year ago, a year and a half ago, this plan would have been the first of a province, the second of 3 provinces and the country. it would have been done after you mentioned that the fuel system was hacked, but if it goes to the bank card, to the banking system of people, this also happens in a completely safe way, it is a secure network, and it happens. i am pleased with the

statement of the honorable president and the managers the executive directors of the country must be transformational , they must be transformational, they must seek transformation, otherwise the status quo will be maintained, which is useless . we should not push it under the carpet . we have a corner attitude. if we do not have a plan for transformation, the transformation will be imposed by you with more costs and less income. we do a little now, but it will increase if we don't go regarding the diversity of the country's fuel basket, if we don't go for fair distribution and benefiting all people from subsidies, these developments will force us to accept it under more difficult conditions by paying more. in my opinion, we should go for this task of doing energy on the communication line mr. zamanian, please tell us what your investigation and analysis tells us. now, the ministry of economy seems to be

one of the wings that it wants to be implemented . mr. khandozi announced today that we had prepared the energy exchange market of rome. the infrastructure was not ready to talk about defense we have done all the discussions. mr. shariati also mentioned, why do you think this plan has not been implemented and why can't it ? the kish pilot was done successfully. of course, mr. sarmili, a large part of the efforts of pilot kish was with him and his friends, and basically, this is actually a positive role played by these nobles themselves , to say correctly , there are some executive issues. do not be careful. this is possible it happens that the quota of father and son is deposited separately into their personal account. well, because i

was present as a consultant during that period , all of them were corrected in a very short period of time. in particular, this pilot project of kish was accompanied by the discussion of the expansion of the four-square meter and the explanation of its subsidies was carried out in the same period as the pilot project of kish, because the ministry of welfare actually once created its own welfare database and database for the targeting of the project . it was updated within 42 hours. a large part of the welfare problems of that plan came true. this was mostly related to household data they do not have the main role of implementing this plan. but regarding the technical infrastructure itself, the ability to allocate fuel on the national card should be added. people can actually exchange on a system, it was done in kish as a complete work, and in my opinion, we have no problem even after that plan and after

the reforms that were learned from the kish pilot, the plan is actually much simpler in terms of technically, it was suggested that this technical plan actually had no need to connect the fuel system to the infrastructure of the country's internet, and in my opinion, what was the plan that you are referring to, see because in the plan of what happened was that we needed to connect a system, the internet system, to the actual fuel system. friends of the broadcasting organization correctly, of course, their argument was that we are concerned that the internet connection of the shatab network and the internet of the fuel system may cause a bit of concern. fortunately, this issue was completely resolved. in fact, by separating the subsidized infrastructure from the switch, whose fuel switch is completely in the hands of the broadcasting company, we can even

cut off the shatab network connection to the fuel switch, and this is the least concern that friends have anyway. now we suppose one day the shatab network is packed, of course, we know that this is almost impossible, if there is even an iota of possibility, the shatab network is definitely a much stronger network than the fuel network, but the reform plan that was proposed, many of the devices, anyway, commented on the method and it was agreed that we should separate these two, that is, the sector company will only manage the fuel subsidy with the same fuel switch and with the same smart system that it has , the subsidy that is going to be given to the fuel on the whole shatab network. houses should be taken, and this is actually a very minor concern for the refining company in fact, broadcasting has been resolved in this matter, and in my opinion, we have no restrictions today. the president's order, in fact, the government transformation document

has been left for about 2 years, because this was actually a direct order of the president before it became an expedient for the country. in fact, the fuel factors are the basis of the national code, which has been explicitly changed in the document, and the president explicitly demanded this for the past two years, which has actually been delayed, only because this technical infrastructure has been created. i think that mr. serials are also aware of this new proposal, and who are they actually? this new proposal has been proposed, and it has been about a month or two, maybe two months, that friends in the technical meetings suggested this and a system that we can implement exactly this plan without connecting the shatab network to the fuel system, and that's why the smart network the fuel is doing its job as it is without any change without any attack on it, but the allocation of funds to the national fertilizer can actually be done, god willing, this plan can be implemented. technical infrastructure, for example

, is not a challenge, but again, let's see in any case, any new movement , in any case , when you want to change the course of a moving train, you have to make some changes at the same time. it is not, and i think that my opinion is that my broadcast friends themselves, who took the trouble to design it and felt the iranians of it themselves, and actually viewed this new proposed design and the method of commenting, in my opinion , are really compatible. thank you, economic, like what are the economic consequences, these are what i think it is not at all different from the topics that are detailed by friends in the ministry of economy and other institutions

, mr. dr. shariati's own working method . mr. zamanian awadwaiit, emmir university, energy expert, mr. saro milli, everyone says that the concerns seem to have been resolved in terms of inflation, which you mentioned, i defended that we talked about why the work is not done yet, when are you going to start, anyway, you say that these concerns exist. everyone has to express themselves. defense, which said that it is ready, if you give it to it , it will do it soon, as well as the infrastructure it was talked about that there is not much of a challenge , when do you start to make this change in the government? i would like to inform you that my professor approved this plan, which in fact, the honorable government itself in that year , it is clear that they presented it, exactly within the boundaries of which i now name the central bank broadcasting company, ministry of economy , ministry of cooperatives, psps and banks. they

are one of the main pillars of punks, especially under the supervision of the central bank. it is the ministry of ict, shoprek and defense. i am at your service. in fact, this is what i would like to say to mr. there is also the record, it has been presented, and in fact , we worked with the working group that existed, of these 12 elements of the plan, there were several elements of the working group. it was done there and at the time when this architecture was designed, it was sent, even the hard type of tools that should be placed in the positions , we sent these with the sobbot, which we sent for security monitoring, which is actually a declaration of opinion, especially now why some there are times to express an opinion,