[000:00:00;00] when asked about israel's strategy, he became angry and in response to the question of a swiss reporter who asked him if israel intends to bring back its era by killing thousands of innocent people, he said: guterres does not deserve to be the secretary general of the united nations. finally , he tried to scare the world from hamas, islamic jihad and hezbollah. if we don't win, it will be your turn after us. we should all send a message to the supporters of hamas, who are sending weapons to gaza and funding hamas, islamic jihad, hezbollah, and the houthis. the international committee of the red cross, whose head is with the israeli delegation the kurdish visit was not spared from the criticism of this regime. he accused the committee of not having a clear position and

not fulfilling its duty. well now again, like last night , we are hosting mr. nasser nobari, a former diplomat and expert on international issues . thank you, mr. nobari. we wanted to complete the conversation last night. the discussion was about the developments in gaza behind the formation of a new order in the world. if you want to emphasize something from last night's conversation, then i will ask you some more questions. in the name of allah, the most merciful, i am at your service and dear viewers. hello. i am at your service, i think if you allow me to give a summary of yesterday

, if we have new viewers to be informed, i would like to thank you for your presence. now, yes, we have said that the world in transition has a special characteristic, and that is that the structures in the world in transition become fluid, and those structures connected to the polar worlds become weak . when the global structure becomes weak, the political unit actually starts to compete the competition for the development of influence and this development, the competition for the development of influence, practically resulted in war we said that there are three wars that have happened in the current transition period, you can see in the ukraine war, the caucasus war and the ghazi war in a very short period of time. in the year these three wars happened and we said that the characteristic of the world

in transition is that the structures become fluid . the previous model to the new bipolar model , two world wars happened at that time we reached bipolarity, and then that order was established after two wars, and then we said how in that world, two great and devastating world wars happened, but in this world , three relatively limited wars happened. we said this because that nuclear strategic balance has caused the units that are competing with each other to compete with each other in a limited manner, but not with unlimited competition, because unlimited competition may lead to a nuclear war . ukrainians, you can see that in ukraine, very big parties of the world are involved, but at the same time they control it they keep it limited, so we said that the world is in transition, first of all, this current world is dangerous

, because the existence of nuclear weapons is both a threat and an opportunity to threaten from here . the political unit cautions that a world war similar to the world war of a century ago will not happen, which kills 60 million to 80 million people , they try to limit the competition, and certainly, if this was not the nuclear strategic balance, the ukraine war would actually have enough grounds to it turned into a world war, but it was controlled. it was controlled that to it should not become a world war and remain limited. well, we said these things. the point is that, in fact, the nature of the world is in transition, a dangerous war happens in it . we said both threats and opportunities. we said that it is both a threat and an opportunity for political units that are prepared and aware of the conditions.

opportunity and development breathe. for political they have no future and they are stuck in the old system and they don't have the necessary vigilance . it is a threat because the political units that are vigilance will develop and gain influence. we said that this is the example of the current of the caucasus. in fact, we were a political unit that was neglected. the other political unit is actually vigilant and coming to develop and penetrate until we reach our borders in the north of our borders, our northern borders with the caucasus, which we have to we have decided to send troops there, to send an army there, to warn there and emphasize that we will not agree to change the borders, which means that other political units will take advantage of our neglect , even the zionist regime, which we want to talk about today

, took advantage of this opportunity and came. he penetrated and replaced us in fact , our negligence caused us to retreat, sial, something like this happens. i want to tell my friends, the people of iran , and all the veterans of iran, that the situation in the world is very sensitive and our mind is now entering our country with a diplomatic device. the world is going through a transition that the same diplasia device has been for 40 years for the past 50 years, the tradition that has reached us since the time of the shah is a diplomatic device that is used to the cold war period. the structure of this organization is different from, for example, who is the minister, the same structure is the same structure that is used to the cold war model , that is, the ministry of foreign affairs

. what is the function of the cold war model? it was the recent era, i mean, look at the model. i said in that discussion that the polar world is not connected to many sensitive and important events, but now we said that the world is in a dangerous state, so the diplasia device should be used. adapt yourself to the current situation, a new situation, with the same past situation , with the same structure of the past, which is used to a solid world, not a fluid world, so we are likely to regularly suffer from cracks around us, and those around us will abuse , read, penetrate into it is very possible for our interests to happen, which means that our actions should be more than our reactions , and our device itself should actually undergo hardware and software changes one by one, adapt itself to the conditions of the changing world, and

we will eat like the case of the caucasus. it is very easy to be clear about ourselves let's build that new world, let's build a new order. i said , let's draw a professional conclusion for ourselves from this discussion . now here is the discussion of america. in the same discussion you had, he wrote that the world is experiencing a period that will lead to the end of the peace of the west in the world , then there was also a hint that the main point was that this support would come and the condition of the united states of the zionist regime and some accompaniments that the european countries they are not willing to talk about a ceasefire with this regime they do it from the bombers. and the operation of the regime says that the longer these things continue, the formation of a new order will be facilitated and the power of the west will decrease in the world? the discussion is very great and deep and it was very good

. look at the discussion that we raised yesterday, the other issue was that we said that in this transitioning world, america is forced to withdraw from the middle east from its own exit plan so that it can focus on new giants and new threats such as china and the like. russia, as we said that in the previous unipolar world, these two still have this power not having arrived, the soviet union had collapsed, russia was weak, and china had not gained strength, but now a very big power like china is coming forward, and russia, as you can see, has gained strength and attacked. and we said that america is forced to take the exit strategy from the middle east. this issue that we raised is the completion of this issue. some may say that, well, what does it mean that the united states will withdraw from khabarami and be replaced by china and russia? well, this does not actually mean that

the united states wants to withdraw from the east and then be replaced by china and russia. look, it means the law of attention put it in other places like the middle east. yes, you can see, but america does not want to leave the middle east in such a way that its presence is lost. pay attention. presence is different from exit. exit means that now america has an army, bases, military facilities, and insurances wherever necessary. it spends, you see, it means that america wants to reduce the special expenses for staying in the middle east, but at the same time to be present, so the question of presence is still america's strategy, that is, america does not want to remove its presence from the middle east, otherwise, what will happen immediately will be filled . he wants to change his nickname middle east, for example, if 20 years ago the first priority of foreign policy and the presence

of their regime in the world, should it be gradually removed, then the second priority , the third priority, should it deal with the main issues, for that, see the next order, deal with the main issues. and reduce its military and financial capabilities from here and divert it to other places, but at the same time, it wants to maintain its political presence, that is, it does not want to be deposed by the chinese, for example, what happened was that china came to mediate between the iranians and saudi arabia. it was not a good thing for america. america indeed the center means the middle east, the center of america is to mediate the two main powers of the middle east, china, this was a good thing for the americans, you see, so the americans do not want to find an outlet that will result in their own absence and fill the void of the united states against its rivals. now what about the gaza war? it has something to do with the new order, so in order to be present but to reduce its cost, to maintain its presence at a low cost , so it has to reduce the tension in the middle east, so

it has to move the middle ground towards peace and stability , it has to stabilize in the middle east, well, in order to be able to in the middle east sabbatical is one of the main factors that before, it was necessary that the main factors that caused tension in the middle east were israel, well, and this tension actually caused america to regularly come to the region and show itself as the manager of the region. this time , america actually wants to digest israel in the political equations of the region. the presence of israel and the united states should continue based on stabilization in the middle east, that is, the goal of the normalization of the relations that the united states is promoting. saudi arabia was trying to establish a relationship with the zionist regime . the meaning of exit is to reduce the cost his presence in the middle east is not that he should let the region go. this is a very important point . so, this is why america was trying so hard

to bring saudi arabia and israel together, the peace of ibrahim and even trump. i want to tell you that this withdrawal from the withdrawal plan calling it withdrawal, but i defined it, it means reducing the cost and maintaining the presence of this withdrawal from the middle east. the consensus in america is not different, there is no difference between democrats and republicans. trump started this program. you have to pay for the strategy trump was america first, which means i am no longer ready to spend free for everyone, he warned the whole region, of course, the region was afraid, the region was afraid because he felt that if he lets go, he wants to go to america, let him go, maybe they will fall, be careful it means that it is a challenge that america wants its presence to be based on the facilities of reducing the facilities and maintaining the presence, but those who rely on it need those special facilities, saudi arabia

needs them, israel needs them, and this is a challenge. well , now this gaza has shown the situation. he showed that this model is the peace of abraham and the stability that these are they want it to be established that they can safely be present and leave and direct their resources to their big rivals. he showed that peace cannot be achieved with an ibrahim model alone. yes, this is the point that the gaza conflict proved. now, look at mr. blinken and all the presidents and himself, mr. biden and the presidents of the western countries. from now on, all the moods they have and are always saying are models. they are repeating two governments. why? for this reason? because i understood that in order to stabilize the middle east. an empty ibrahimi peace does not answer. the two-state model is a necessary issue phil.

in these years, if the remaining problem is that the zionist regime is not ready to really accept two governments , why don't you leave now? before we go here, let's leave here. we had another gaza, 10 or 11 days have passed . now i don't remember the number of days . there was a war in gaza that happened . after the end of this american strategy war, see what i am going to read to you now. stephen waltz in foreign policy, see what he said two years ago after the end of the war. it is time to end the special relationship with israel . the benefits of america's support for israel are more than its costs. with the recent round of war between israel and palestine, more evidence has been created

that america should no longer have unconditional military, diplomatic and economic support for israel. now the benefit of this policy is zero. its costs are high and increasing. a normal relationship should be established between america and israel instead of a special relationship. this special relationship that you say is an interpretation i had for a couple of days they used to say that no two countries have ever been. of course, we do not recognize israel as a country , but in his own words, no two countries have been as close to each other as america and israel since the establishment of this regime. well, this is very different what you have. well, the american strategists today, that is, the same bidens of 30 years ago, are now saying that we should reduce the special relationship we have with israel and turn it into a

normal relationship. israel and to stabilize it, reduce it and divert it to other places israel should establish a normal relationship, well, this is probably their so-called rational opinion, because they see how much this genocide and these crimes , in addition to tarnishing the reputation of the zionist regime , also tarnishes the reputation of america, which is a supporter, but in any case , the power lobbies of the jewish capitalists they play a big role in american politics. they allow these intellectuals to carry out such a plan. now i want to tell you that, by the way, some of these intellectuals are the american jews themselves. they see an america. their own interests depend on how a country there will and will not be. this is the plan now. not that israel actually it should be deleted that they have now, what is the problem with israelis, they say that if you normalize your relationship with us , we will fall, be careful, but the americans say no, we should have behaved normally during this period of time, the united states

would have had many more problems in the first week. why was netanyahu happy at the airport to welcome ba, he wanted to say the same thing, he said, look , how many years have we been arguing, we say , you can't leave here, and if you leave , we will fall, now you see you see , we can't stay without you, and he came to look for her the president of france came after him, the uk came, everyone else came , otherwise he would have spilled, in fact, but the important point here is that america is forced to do this in terms of the global issue, are you paying attention, that is, the global situation , that is, china, just yesterday , he met with mr. biden, this china that he doesn't want to say that morally, yes, because you have a problem with israel and so on, so i have nothing to do now, it will develop itself, so the total strategy that has forced america to reduce special facilities in

the middle east and divert them to other places is a necessity. globally, this is a necessity of the world it hasn't changed, now israel is hanging around and saying, "you see, i have to follow my feet. why did he come now? the important thing is why biden and america came and stood behind him , because america needs israel to be present in the process of greening the middle east, so that america can maintain its presence through that." otherwise, if israel is removed, then that stabilization will almost be possible without the presence of the united states, so he hastily came up with the attitude of why he should keep it, in order to keep it , to make a sabbatical for the time when he wants to get a chance, and then reduce his special facilities. now actually that thing now in the state of emergency, it is not a strategy to find a deadline for israel

to normalize in the region and build the sheba , maybe it will take 10 years, i don't know, maybe it will take 5 years, maybe it will take 10 years he should carry out the normalization, make the sabbatical, and definitely move the two models forward together, i.e. the two-state model and the abraham peace model, move forward, stabilize the zionists who do not accept, yes , the zionists do not accept, why do not they accept netanyahu, the zionists and the israelis, whose basis and essence is development they consider israel and judaism to be superior ask them to withdraw and form a government on some land . this is in contradiction with israel, in contradiction with judaism. the case we gave them a small field, we surrounded them so much that they are so angry, they are exploding

every moment, they are destroying the security of the whole place . now, let's see what the government is doing. you got this because you put pressure on this and that the explosion and this oat happened, the best of this matter is that you dumped two and a half million people in a place as wide as here, but i don't know how long it is in the evening. at the end of the highway , you dumped two and a half million people here, you closed the door and then you suffocated them. of course, they explode at any time, then you say that because they explode, we don't give them the government, it's the other way around , so the issue is, see, there is such a challenge, well, we have about 10 minutes until the end of the program . this story is continuing. something that is characteristic it is that during these 40 days there is still no clear agenda

by the zionist americans, i don't have an opinion, now 42 days have passed, the zionists have not been able to release a prisoner with this large scale of operations, even with the presence of the american delta force, or in terms of they should arrest one of the leaders of hamas or disable the military branch of hamas, if they put forward an idea that we want to destroy hamas, we want to solve the problem of gaza, no matter how long this war goes on, america's credibility will be damaged. zionists themselves legitimize them it becomes less and less, and in this case, in your opinion, where does this lead to china and the situation? he said exactly right, look, now the other side has an ambiguous strategy. one day, netanyahu will say that we will go to gaza, we will stay in gaza, and his military will say no, we will go and create it. we will go back, this one says no, we will go there, we will take the self-governing hand

, mr. mahmoud abaz, that one says, we will create an international waste, we will give you a hand , it means that it will come true, it means that they themselves don't know what they are doing, now the force is being taken there. one of the interesting points here is this mr. netanyahu and this government, which failed in this operation, is now going to show its victory . it has to show something to its people , what will it do next? one night he says i took this alley, one night he says i became close to that hospital, one of the biggest modern armies in the world, 40 5 air support in front of a group that is generally under the background, then every day , show it to his people, look, today we took this alley, now we went to lab. the hospital then says that i had sex in the hospital, then he goes and finds two grenades , from where, for example, we say, find, see, that means the climax. it shows desperation that they don't have a goal, they don't know what to do, they themselves don't know what to do, because there is the main contradiction that i described to you, that is , the american and western systems are looking for greening and

looking to see this israel again. israel should get rid of its developmentalist characteristics and come down in the peace process, this is what the west and america want, but this is not what israel wants, this is not what netani wants, so if something like this happens, israel will face a big failure, why now ? they don't have a strategy, they don't know what they want what are they doing? they keep their heads down, they just keep counting the numbers. i took this alley, i took that street, they show their people every day, i don't know if we got hamas or hamas, that means they have this conflict, this difference at the level of americans and westerners, who regularly say that two governments are careful. make me blink, he often says that in the 7th summit, wherever they go, they bring up this government, but the israelis are not ready

to be in prison , then we will give them a government. the people of gaza voted for him in the last election palestine was held, hamas won the elections in the whole of palestine, and these westerners came to say that we do not recognize the elections . you destroyed up to 30,000 of these epics that they officially show, so these 9 million and 10 million are all potential hamas, so my root i'm going to advertise, in israel, we're going to root hamas, establish security , my dear, you're going to establish security, on the contrary, you're going to get support instead of 10 hamas, a much more peaceful group will be produced. later

, it will be easy for him to live peacefully with you you are worse than dozens of eggs, this is sehunista. it seems that all the words you say are losing their rationality. well, they are losing their rationality. now , i want to get a more accurate result from this. see , you have 3 minutes to lose your rationality. i need 30 minutes. look, now the world is transitioning, the world is transitioning, that israel is my model, hit the bakhtiari bank and crush them, i don't know the bank, put them in prison, find developmentism , from 19 so-and-so to so-and-so, it is mine, this is not the answer, the world is in transition, we discussed he can no longer accept such an israeli model there is a contradiction between israel and the past models, the interests of the past models , and a world that cannot digest this, which means that israel cannot get out of that

mentality. adapt themselves to the world, they will be determined. no matter how important their goals are, this is the important result of the discussion. if the zionists do not recognize the changing conditions of the world and adapt themselves to the new conditions of the world as soon as possible, do not compromise , like the dinos, they will become extinct . this is a very important point from this direction continue, i mean, where do we have this fast track, i don't know what to do, you see, it's very important. biden had also gone. he asked the zionists what exactly is your goal. now, the more interesting thing is that they say that this is our land . let's have a discussion. they say that this is our land. see? we say it is our land, why does your land say 34000 years ago, we jews lived here, see the history of this region is 7000 years old

, you are 7000 years old, well, you lived for 600 years, another 7000 years , other people's life is 1300 years old . these muslims are living in numbers let's calculate that 1,300 is more than 600. so what do you mean by saying that i am here , see, a very important point of zionist thought is that it actually says that because i am a jew with judaism and with the belief of a homeland, it creates a homeland for itself. it says that because i am a jew, this is a homeland i don't like modding based on opinion at all. a zionist thought. now, excuse me, let me say this in a private and friendly manner. i say to ourselves, some of us , hezbollah, almost have a zionist thought, the same one that came on the radio and television, people say that this country belongs to hezbollah, see, it means that it creates wealth by thinking with the ideology of hezbollah. homeland produces

if you say that because i am a jew, then this is mine, he will say that i am hizbollah, so iran is mine, this is a zionist way of thinking, that is, zionism , it was created from here, so our friends should be careful in their eyes that we ourselves, despite the fact that the mentality is against we have zionists, in fact, our thoughts become zionist, that is, we come even though i am hezbollah, so this country is mine, not my homeland, not based on residence, not based on belief, based on who lives here, sir, who lives here, who lives there , you took that poor palestinian. you say that because we are muslims, you went to the gaza strip and karrani and so on you say that because we are jews, this is the same thought that in fact some of us in iran also make this mistake . thank you, mr. nowbari

. you are very kind. thank you . i am at your service in the next program of the world today. it is tehran time and dear viewers, welcome to this news section. news sources are reporting the air attack of the zionist regime on al-uffa hospital in gaza. as a result of the zionist regime's air attack on this hospital, a number of palestinian doctors and refugees who had taken refuge in this hospital in the center of gaza were martyred and injured. accurate statistics of the number of wounded and martyrs of this attack have not been reported. salah al-madhoun, a reporter of al-quds tv channel , reported the martyrdom of the director of al-offa hospital for the elderly and said: "dr.