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in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, greetings to you, dear compatriots, welcome to the front page program. in this program, according to the routine of another official on the front page of the islamic republic of iran , they will be in front of the camera to talk about policies, strategies and, of course, decisions that it can be effective in the future of the country's development. mr. dr. abbas aliabadi, the minister of mining and trade, all policies in the field of mining and trade of the country are formed in this ministry. welcome to the first page program . thank you very much. in the introduction, i would like to say hello to the esteemed viewers and all those who watch this program . thank you, doctor. before we start the interview, let's talk

about various issues that exist in the field of industry, mining, and trade. a report from one of the events that happened yesterday and you too we will see if you participated in it and then we will talk about different topics. the second national event of the knowledge-based industry with the title of the fourth industrial revolution and the smart city industry was held with the presence of the most important players in this field, such as the scientific vice president of the presidency, the ministers of communication and information technology, and the minister of science, the mayor of tehran, as well as scientific companies, hosted by the ministry of education . became. a series of events designed and defined for us to start a new movement in the industry, to start a new transformation, this transformation has its origin in the knowledge of the industry. and now in

in any case, we are one step ahead, we are moving towards a smart industry. in this event, the scientific vice president called artificial intelligence one of the pillars of the fourth industrial revolution, which should be used to increase interest in the country. artificial intelligence is one of the great things that it can do, it can increase our productivity several times. if we are joking about artificial intelligence, we should not complement each other, we should not work with each other, considering the serious limitation of our resources, we are definitely doomed to fail. the minister of communications is also necessary. he considered moving in the direction of intelligentization as a high-speed and secure communication platform. program we are implementing various projects to meet this need, the most important of which is the discussion of the national fiber optic business project, which, god willing, will connect all the country's buildings to all the country's infrastructure through optical fiber, which has practically unlimited speed and very low delay. let's actually connect.

the fifth generation of mobile phones is placed on the same platform and one of the serious requirements for intelligentization , especially the establishment of new technologies industry based on the fifth generation of intelligentization of the capital, was also a topic that brought the mayor of tehran to this event to discuss the actions of this organization for knowledge-based movement in tell the path of intelligence. first, it helps to establish a science and technology park, and secondly, about 10 innovation factories. and the third point is that helping to create synergistic areas of innovation among players in the field of intelligence, from governmental institutions to knowledge-based companies , is one of the goals of this national event. mohammad hossein haji kharbari sed and radio. well, mr. doctor, we saw the report , it seems almost 5 members.

the government delegation participating in this support and everyone talking about the fourth industrial revolution or the fourth industrial revolution , what does this matter mean? look. this the conference, which is actually the second conference that the ministry is the founder and host of, with the cooperation of the institutions that we were at this conference, we were also at the previous conference of the ministry of economy, and others that i will tell you later, what is important and our people know. there are significant changes that are being followed in the world. whether we like it or not, we are living in a world that is rapidly changing. the same mobile phones that you have in your hand today, for example, did not exist 50 years ago and no one would have believed that 50 years later you

have a tool that you can do a lot with this tool do your daily work and don't do many of the things you used to do , do many things you didn't do. it seems that we are on a path where the future will change just as much, that is, maybe it will change even more if you look at the era of industrial revolutions, for example , the first industrial revolution when the steam engine was created, which led to the countries that the technology they had at that time took a significant distance from others in such a way that they still could not compensate , for example, you say that the first world of the second world was the same world that had those technologies at that time. having the steam engine, which later became its symbol, for example, in the textile factories of that time, and then the railway transportation, which

was formed with the steam engine and others, which i don't want to remember the time of the meeting, caused a huge economic gap in the world. let there be a number of people from the first world to have the second world, the third world and so on. the second industrial revolution was actually about electrification. that is, electric machines were introduced and then they were replaced by steam machines. he increased this distance . but something like 10 years of the first, second and third industrial revolutions that happened one after another to have. but the fourth industrial revolution happened much earlier and it seems that the next industrial revolution, which is the fifth industrial revolution , will happen earlier than this. we are now in a period that we call the era of the internet of things, and due to the intelligence of robots and artificial intelligence, we call it the fourth industrial revolution

, but it doesn't seem like it will last long. where are we? this is the story we are talking about, i.e. iran, the industry of iran. super complicated. if we can actually digest these complexities within ourselves, we can be leaders in the world instead of being followers. fortunately, the capacities of the country are very good capacities. by the way, in this period of this revolution, it is a human-centered revolution. it is knowledge-oriented rather than resource-oriented, although we are in a relatively good situation in terms of resources, but in terms of human resources, it seems that the capacities are more significant here, and fortunately, we

have good universities to say in this department. we have good trained young people we have a very good one. anyway, what is going to happen or will happen later will be the practical discussion of leaving artificial intelligence in our daily lives and then the relationship between humans and this intelligence , see artificial intelligence. now, for example, cars are moving towards self-driving cars. and smart cars, now we have presented a number of iranian cars in this exhibition , which had a level of intelligence. you can see intelligence in your daily life, even in your mobile phone, you can see that there is intelligence , and in the future lives that for example, we now we can give examples of that, we see this situation, although in this meeting, i don't think you want to go into the details of these discussions, of course , we follow the more practical aspects of these issues and we want to see the industry, how it is now and how it relates to new technology.

what is happening in our industry is also becoming smart in accordance with the world, for example, if you look at the country's industry now, you will notice that these changes are actually happening there too , more use of robots to do things , although now less and more than some of the industry still less some more but in my opinion, it is becoming more common and this can speed up the achievement of goals, reduce costs, and somehow improve utilization. in summary, i would like to answer your question. it is that we happen to be among relatively advanced countries. girim compared to the countries in the world that are still basically not familiar with these words, this conference tried to make a purposeful communication between the participants. create knowledge-based companies and large companies that are mainly resource-oriented

so that we can direct our human capital towards the optimal use of resources god, now which of our industry has more or closer relationship with the knowledge industry, look, you can't judge like that now , we ask them, they all say that we have a relationship. in the previous meeting, which was held about two months ago , imidro company nominated you for the ministry. in order to communicate with 500 knowledge-based companies that are active in that field and conclude contracts with them, we have allocated the resources, or in other words, some kind of resources , in order to establish this relationship between them. fortunately, this connection was formed in at the same conference , we decided to come to idro

and connect these companies, which belong to the development organization, to daneshm-based companies. the main problem is that some people are looking for these discussions in the knowledge-based space. some people who have resources are looking for traditional methods. all the efforts of the ministry are to join these together and from the place of this joining, god willing, we can make our human capital more active and god's resources can be more productive, god willing. in fact , to be effective in the lives and well-being of the people, dr the amount of contracts or memorandums that binido has signed with knowledge-based companies or is being operated is something around 15 thousand billion tomans, that is, companies equivalent to 15 thousand billion tomans are my source, from guarantees to direct cash sources. in fact, only those

knowledge-based companies that cooperate with a large company are equipped for business circulation. this figure shows that i will be able to achieve so much during this program , which is a program, for example, that lasts for two years. well, we are in a large industry. how is our situation in the field of knowledge ? see, during the past two or three years, mr. agha many times they put the topic of knowledge foundation at the top, the year the name of the year was chosen as knowledge foundation, and this issue has been made a task of all areas, including the industry, how much we have covered this and this demand of hazrat agha to the society . well, they move far ahead of the industry, they move far ahead of the rest of the society. look at the slogans of the year, when you look , for example, you can see

intelligence . it was the same in previous years, but for example, you can see it especially in the last 5 years the word "production" is persistently mentioned in the list of words, sir, if you want to curb inflation, you must do this from the direction of production, and in my opinion , it is a category that should be specifically addressed, considering that by studying in in fact, this matter is brought up, it is really worth holding conferences and addressing it, but i want to give a few addresses about this intelligence, for example, one of the indicators of intelligence is energy consumption, we are currently in a serious we don't have a good ranking of energy in the world, energy intensity, energy intensity, i want to say what energy intensity means? that's mean

the amount of electricity we use to produce each unit of gdp. it's true. well, this is an international index in which we don't have a good rank at the moment. now , if we make the same issue , how can we reduce energy intensity for our knowledge-based companies ? i will give an example only in transportation. for example, look at transportation, when we go to electrification, which is now discussed. what we are pursuing has an extremely scientific goal and what is it that can drastically reduce energy consumption and fuel consumption in this sector? why? because the process that follows in electric cars can it be a reversible process, relatively compared to thermal cars, which are basically irreversible processes, so the energy intensity here can, that is, the energy consumption can be greatly reduced, or, for example, in diversifying our energy consumption, for example, there necessarily

we use fossil fuels, but here we can use a variety of fuels from the sun's energy, wind power, for example, from the sun's power, or from the energy of hydro or nuclear power plants , all of these can be the primary source for transportation. to be able to, for example, carry the mind not only the cars in the cities, which can also have an environmental impact , nahamad al-aql, let's electrify our railways, for example , let's electrify a road, if we can do something like that, it can be a great benefit. is this a level of intelligence? for example, let's assume that of course the examples are very diverse. i want to give an example. it may take up the time of your meeting, but if we can increase the productivity, for example, in production, for example, we should not sell raw materials , now look. let's look at our imports how much does it weigh? how much is the value of our exports

? with the help of danesh-banyan company, by defining the right problems and finding logical and knowledge-based solutions for them , let's improve the productivity situation in the country . the location of the first source created by dr one of the important issues that every industry minister who has come has finally talked about and is of concern to the people of hestro-sazı. how much is this issue of energy intensity? why is the amount of energy consumption in domestically produced cars so high that sometimes

it is comparable to the fuel that it doesn't have an external one, and this one can also be considered a raw sale, because it consumes a lot more energy , and i don't know now, more than 10 million liters, in fact , maybe i don't know, i know, yes, please, why is this happening? it's a very good question, by the way. of course, we are in a historical period where we can have two let's solve the problem together. if we come to improve our traditional cars and cars that work with fossil fuels , we must do this, because it will take a while for these cars to become new cars. but we should not make extensive investments in this sector. for example, let's assume that we should invest extensively in internal combustion engines

, build higher efficiency engines, or, for example, in our cars . the period will pass it is entering a new period, the cars of the future. today, we are seeing two cars on the scene, which we used to call the cars of the future . now, in the coming days, god willing, our people in tehran will also see cars that are different from the previous cars, electric cars, and then electric cars. smart, fortunately , our domestic car manufacturers also received this message and we hope that in the next year we will be able to have a level of intelligence in our cars that are produced domestically, god willing. but electric cars, which are the cars of the future, give us this opportunity they see that we will start this transformation from a place where the world has just started and we have not fallen far behind here, and considering the knowledge-based capacities we have, i hope that

we will not find much distance but will move forward. i can say unequivocally that we were among the leaders when these theoretical discussions were discussed. i myself remember that in the university, we were among the foundations of the countries that actually had the most articles in this field or had something to say and courses related to, for example, in our universities, the history is not very long, and it is not far from the pioneer and leading countries for example, you see, for example, the course of non -conventional stimuli has been taught in our university for more than 20 years, while the same topic is related to future stimuli. so i can tell you that we are on the path of transformation and we hope to be able to electrify taxis in tehran very soon. let's electrify the public transportation, let's make an impact on the environment from this place , and god willing, the effect on people's lives

has already started . are taxi cars will gradually become cultural because you will see that a new culture will be brought with it, then the necessary training will be given to the people. this phenomenon cannot be overstated because we can't just get involved in an incident and then fix it for the people. we have to prepare the people step by step. the government is planning to install 10,000 electric taxis in big cities very soon, very soon. this is our plan until the end of this year, god willing, if we are successful now, what about these cars, which fortunately have now been supplied and are being imported, and then our facilities are preparing to produce them , and we now have approximately two or three models of domestic cars that we presented in the recent exhibition, which

are in the final stages of testing. they are leaving behind and i think, god willing, early next year, maybe in the first half of the year, we will have the supply of these as well , so we are in a relatively good environment compared to the region, in general, in the countries of our region, now , except for some countries in the region, most of the countries the region has a significant distance from us in this issue and in compared to the world, we are not in such a bad situation. scientifically, at least, i can say for sure that we are in a very good state in terms of technology, but in terms of industry and commerce, we have to work. now, the policy ministry is all about being able to do this, god willing. encourage me, more than 30 domestic companies are trying to accompany us, and this is a relatively good potential in my opinion. inshallah, people's good prayers will help us to succeed

. well, we will grow in the field of making cars that run on fossil fuels. and there were landings and it was not very satisfactory, that's it now so, in this field, we are almost moving tangentially with global knowledge , because not many years have passed since this issue has been in the world, that is, knowledge is not a new knowledge. let's see now, if i want to make a comparison, if you look at the new cars of our domestic car manufacturers now, what about the cars that, for example, have more than 60 percent of domestic production, and the hesteros, which is around 50 percent , you will see that the distance

is very, very large. they don't know about the world, although it is possible that with the best in the world are not comparable, but they are comparable to the average people in the world . in fact , we reached an index of less than 8 liters per 100 kilometers, but i want to say that basically this solution does not require more investment, because the world is also leaving this field. can you study this norway now, you will see that more than 80% of their cars are electrified, or for example, if you are now in china , i recently went on a mission to shanghai , almost all public transportation is electrified, and people's transportation is also more than 30-35% of cars with license plates . it's green, it means there are electric plugs and we are in my opinion, we should spend more of our energy in order not to lag behind this phenomenon, which means that we should join the world immediately, and

fortunately, this has now clicked in the country. when they ask me, sir, what will happen to gasoline cars, they say that gasoline cars are on the way in the plan, they are moving forward , it is good for their progress, we are following them , because anyway, if this transformation is to take place, it must take place within these 10 years. we will improve the processes there, but our policy should not focus on this ok, we must do this internally, because this process is temporary, we should go to those parts that create technology for us and can have other effects, or use the technology series in other places, but we should focus on it. to the cars of the future, which are cars that are no longer in the future, in that sense far, not very close. maybe in a few years, in europe , for example, you won't see gasoline cars at all in 5 or 6 years, now the trends are such that they are going in the direction where 100 of these things will not

be allowed by the environment, global warming debates and the heat they are producing, these and different aspects, if we want to talk technically , i am more comfortable, but your program does not allow me to take up people's time like this, and doctor . in the case of the so-called debates about cars that use fossil fuel, what kind of policy do you see? the main challenge is in the creation of energy. well, this challenge is being followed up in the world, but the follow-up will be followed up later, that is, it is a continuous process because every now the energy density and what weight and what volume is still distance it is significant with fossil fuels. now it has become very good. for example, we have reached about 20 and 30 watts

per kilogram in iran, which is a very high record . for example, my best records are about 20, 190, 195 watts per kilogram. fortunately, we are reaching this record. we started a significant investment in the battery manufacturing sector in the country, which will be unveiled soon, god willing, our people will see, but the developments are not only in the direction of batteries , it is also in the direction of hydrogen as energy storage for universities. we can use this opportunity from now on, i am announcing that we have also told them that we welcome research teams to work in this field, not intermittently, continuously, that is, we are going to bring some universities here, well, the ministry of science is also in this . i attended the conference and mr. dr. zulfigam had some orders and we are working with some universities as an infrastructure in order to be able

to use domestic solutions in the field of energy storage for cars and vehicles. the solutions that are ours are the way you plan we are the initiators of it. i am very hopeful. i think that if everyone cooperates, because this really needs a national cooperation, if someone plays an opposing instrument here , it will only take time from our hands . it is the will of the government, the will of other related institutions such as the parliament and... other national institutions such as the parliament and the judiciary are also the people who definitely welcome the constructive developments . we are looking for good programs in the traditional car sector as well although i said that new investments in those sectors should not be made

, we should use shortcut methods to achieve high technology in order to improve the cars we produce anyway, but we should focus on future cars, for example, i want to sharif people, let me say that one of the characteristics of electric cars is that they consume less pads, they don't use oil , they don't use filters, and their total moving parts are not more than about 600 parts, while in combustion engines, it is, for example, 2,300 parts. and it is very different, the repairs will be much less. and the costs will decrease a lot, some jobs will have to be changed, some jobs will be created, new jobs will be created, it is a sweet change, in my opinion, it is a change whose taste will go under people's teeth very soon. what are the prices? by the way, i apologize, i misled myself. the batteries for these cars are relatively expensive. in order not to put too much pressure on the people, the government uses the leverage

for taxis, which basically pays a significant portion of the taxi costs. that is the share of the battery, almost around 1000 dollars. in fact , the ministry of petroleum has saved fuel from the place. help here he does that, well, he will benefit from it very soon, but in the case of public cars, people's cars, the cars that are given, for now, what is being done is the tariff, which we are almost reducing the tariff to the lowest possible amount, which can be of great assistance with the tariff. with the people , if the car manufacturer makes this car, it has no definition at all. but for my import at this stage , for now, at this stage, we are moving the definition towards the minimum definition. now.