[000:00:00;00] and now, the economics desk and my colleague, mr. bozorran, say hello to you. in the name of god, i greet you, dear colleague mrs. hosseinzadeh, and i greet and respect all the viewers of the economics desk . what exactly are the sources of proportionality of pensioners' rights and where are they and how should these sources be provided and the funds can handle it? at the economics desk today, we want to look at the same thing and see how much this proportionality of pensions is he wants a budget and where is the source of this budget we are talking about. our time on channel 1 has ended , i invite all viewers

to watch us on news channel if they follow this discussion, thank you. you are with the economy desk. looking at the statistics, can you show us more precisely from which year we start the proportionalization, that we are discussing about the proportionalization, if we see the picture together, we also had this in the 6th program that for observance of justice and everything that was said , let's bring the salaries of the old retired people with a percentage and proportionality. who are just retiring or are working, are they the same, or all the other interpretations given in the law, this happened again in the 7th plan , but there was a lot of discussion about the resources and i appreciate your presence, where the resources are provided . let's look at the statistics from 1996 until 1400 , you will see the national pension, army and social security, which if i want to be very brief , the numbers won't hurt your

head. he spent money for this work in the past years it is almost possible that the previous government during the 6th plan, now in the 7th plan, is that this number should be 700, 700 thousand billion tomans for this proportionalization to happen. a few things are very important here, one is that the government is proportionalizing , if the government and the parliament they are looking for more justice to be observed between those who have lower salaries than respectable retirees , those who, for example, have higher salaries, those who are just now retiring, taking into account all the inflationary events and other things , a number has been left out. pensioners' salaries should be reasonable which they are receiving now, but if the location of the budget is not clear and the way to provide this budget , which is a large number, is not clear, it seems that if this happens, the government will not know where to get the money , for example, let's go to what we have seen sometimes , go to money creation. and this way, it is as if he has actually caused a double loss to the retiree, because we talked many times at the economics table that if this

money is unregulated , it will have an effect on liquidity. we got a certain amount , but we suffered more damage, so naturally it is very important here that we know the amount of budget that this work has, the place where we are funding it, where is the next picture of rome , we can see more precisely how much the country and the social security forces have reached, from how much to how much the country's army has reached, approximately 320 being the end of 1407 and the social security of 5 tomans has increased by 120 compared to 1998. in the second year of 138, in social security, you can see a very important point in the country and army retirees. most of them retire with 30 years of work, but in social security this it does not happen in a wide range of years they may retire, for example, they can retire after 10

years of work , or they can retire after 20 years of work. naturally, suffering makes it more difficult to do this. to the important point , in the past years , a special job has been added to the countrymen and the army. we want to talk about the economy today let's see if something is going to happen to this class of retirees and what will happen to social imposition. basically, let's go to the main question that i have raised several times, where is the source of resources for the implementation of the decree? let's see a report together. as the years go by, the purchasing power is decreasing. there is talk of the need to adjust pensioners' salaries. the demand that was approved on november 30 of this year for military and country pensioners, it was determined that the difference between

the salaries of retirees and the desired salaries for workers is equal to 40% in the first year. be compensated and 30 per year 2nd and 30th in the third year of this compensation, god willing , the proportional adjustment that was approved for social security on december 1st will also happen. the type of decision regarding the pensioners' rights of the social security organization is different from that of the country and army friends. in the third year of the program

, the ratio of the salary of the employee to the minimum salary of the third year should be 90% of the ratio of the first year. let the funds be used to predict. well, this was the reason for the proposal of the house of representatives, if it is possible if they have predicted or not, it is a problem on top of the other problems of the funds . a resolution whose full implementation in the future can solve some of the concerns of the retirees. mr. askarian, the deputy of welfare and economic affairs of the ministry of labor cooperation and social welfare, is present in our other studio in shiraz, mr. qadri is a member of the non-scheduled program, and the calculations of the islamic shura majlis are present. we are at your service. at the economy desk to all the guests of the program, i would like to start with mr. qadri, please give a very short explanation, mr. qadri

, regarding how the proportionalization of pensioners' salaries is supposed to be done. your excellency, dear and respected guests and dear and respected viewers , i would like to greet you and have a good time. with retirees approaching 90% let's make the average income included in the deduction and the continuous income included in the deduction of the working people, and as i mentioned anyway, this is not possible in one year , nor can it be extended

to satisfy the demands of the retirees, so with the investigations that were done in the jamandi parliament, this it was that if we can do this in 3 steps of 40, we can have these changes in their rights, and if we can really repair a part of these discontinuities in the rights of veterans , it can create a relative satisfaction , as it was mentioned in your report. during the past years, unfortunately, we had inflation rates above 40-55 the percentage that we had, the amount of increase in the salaries of the unemployed and pensioners, this has caused the purchasing power of the unemployed to decrease. now , the government has tried to compensate for a part of it, but these compensations could not

fill this gap and the gap, and that too. which the government has brought as a proposal to raise salaries next year for working people and for retired people, it cannot compensate for this inflation of several years . apply in the market or some of the health care services or supplementary insurances were also implemented in the parliament, and at least if i am not mistaken, the first 3 or 5 deciles of income are exempted from hospital deductible payments . in the discussion of supplementary insurance, yes, they

exempted pensioners and pensioners. now that in that meter, now as mr. qadirai, because we are only talking about proportionality , you had a forecast, you had a book account that each of these proportionalizations mentioned by the parliament came in the annexation of a country with an army of social security. how much financial burden will it create? computing the financial burden of a fund such as the social security fund, considering that there are difficult and unprofitable jobs and other things that exist, is a difficult task. now, i have not seen a place where an accurate estimate of the burden on the social security fund is mentioned , but the retired fund is a kashiri, what one of the reporters was announcing now, quoting a government official , was an iranian news report that wanted to

get my opinion during the interview. now, this 40 % question is for the parliament itself there was no investigation for any of them, neither social security nor army drawers. unfortunately , they didn't give us detailed information about the so-called incident that happened in some things, and we had the same problem. i coordinated the budget program organization and this work was done with the coordination of the gentlemen. of course, the government said that we do not agree with the whole thing, and if we agree, it should be done in five steps during the program, but what the parliament finally reached is that 5 years is a long time and this should be done in 3 years it should be done, thank you, rozigiri, as far as i have the presence of mind, the government also gave an opposing opinion, yes, mr. askari.

tell me, how do you calculate how much financial burden this change will put on the shoulders of the government in the 3 years that this should happen, in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful? first of all, i would like to say hello to you, mr. khandan , mr. qadri, and i would like to ask you what issues we have agreed upon in this simple introduction. that proportionalization should be done because of the inflationary conditions that we are facing is the chart that you spread, this is only part of the government's goals . out of the 200 that you ordered, 110 and 115 of them were paid in 1400 and my payment was a very good payment, that is, in the level is high, so there is this belief, we all definitely believe that the funds should be stable, that there is someone who has not thought about this issue. because the funds are international

, they are the people's capital, they should be protected, and we should not make decisions about these funds , these two are all agreed upon. well, my question is this. the questions of the funds are from all of us. the funds are asking us that we are not against it, we will do it proportionately. you just tell us where to get funding from. we will tell them. well, what does this document say? there is any income, which means that if its source is not seen, it should be removed by itself, whether it is in the layer or in the plan. i will start analyzing here . i will present only two of the analyzes to you. text and if he wants to do this adjustment for his whole family 20 and 49 texts are required for manab until the third year, the question that the fund asks is this, they say, well , we are ok, we are satisfied, you just tell us where

to get the manab, the country's pension fund says the same as you explained, and the explanation was very good and accurate. that is, he gave rhythm to the meeting, that is, he moved the meeting, they ask, well, we said, who is the continuous form, that is, i should consider the right to work, the right of the employee, the difference , in addition to the difficulty of work, as well as self-sacrifice and extraordinary work , i will not consider two other items, the law says this. if he is not there, there will be no pressure on me because these two are the ones whose salaries will go up in addition, the proportionality document of 1,400 was added to these. now, except for these two sentences, the retired salary should be almost equal to the current employees . the percentage should be equal to or higher than 90.

an opening that has passed in senabat is to reach 90% of an employee's salary, which is possible right now. if we have seen the corresponding thing , we can see the job and the ranking. this is only about the pension fund of the country where the government employees are. the fund means, in fact, the managers of the fund say that well, we are a fund that if we want to implement this rating, if we want to implement this adjustment , within 8 years , why do they say 8 years can be very attractive? 40 45 that we want to add in the next 3 years will be about 40 and it will be eaten. we want 74 efforts to reach 148 in 8 years. if we add the government's debt to the debt that has not been paid to the fund, it can be solved. what does that mean? one of

our most stable funds in the country, which has seen the growth of nomadic fundraisers which can define its sustainability for 35 years . for 35 years now, he tells us that if this happens, the fund says that i can go until 1408 at the most. from there, we will reach the break-even point. it means that the government must see my budget in the budget of its own industries , which means that it will be a burden on the shoulders of the government. now we will return to the starting point. first of all, what is our first point? well, everyone agrees. well, everything you said is 3. if we add the lashkari fund, the lashkari fund, which needs a detailed discussion, in my opinion, requires a separate program, and if we consider the 13, 14, medium and small funds, between 700 and 800. i need us we have all the funds, that is, 19 funds of one percent of the country, and three of them are our biggest funds, our big social security funds, four of them are the country's army and

the russian nomads , and the rest are medium to low funds . so, with this interpretation that you said, in your opinion, these 800 thousand billion tomans have not been seen very accurately so that the government and the funds can provide and do this proportionalization , which these funds do very easily, the text of the law . they leave it in front of them to analyze it line by line they do it and compare it with their own financial resources, they say how much financial load each item can have, they calculate it, and this is because the basic policies of regulating the funds based on their financial resources , the sustainability of the fund means the financial resources of any fund that says i am 30 years. i am stable, you ask him how much money do you want to be stable for 30 years, he tells you, for example, give me 400 , i am stable for 30 years, i will retire, i will increase their salaries , i will move forward with balance, with every law, these

calculations will change, he will tell you now if i am going to move safely, i will reach the third year in total about 80, some funds say that if we implement this plan, we will reach the seventh year , which means that we will be in the year 1408, that is, in 5 more years, i will reach the lead point in 38 years, 35 years to the lead point if i arrive, it will put this burden on me because it is not in my power and i have to pay it . i will go back to the point that this is a type of premature aging, that is, if you want to save a fund in its lifetime, before it happens, see when it got old and why it got old. and what are the rules and regulations, mr. khandan, what do you think now that you are not a government official? you are not a member of parliament. how do you measure this from the outside? if you have looked at similar international models, how do they work ? how much should the government help them? the funds, for example , maybe they help the government at all

. how is it in some countries? i say hello. to serve you, dear viewers, allow me to start with this more basic discussion, in fact, the discussion of proportionality, if you have noticed , it is repeated every few years in our country, every 2 years, 3 years , we will do proportionalization again. for several years , this public demand has been forming again that we let's re-proportionate, let's have a root discussion about why this proportionalization should be done once in the country and everyone be satisfied with it and it will be over . why doesn't this happen? i want to say this because there are a series of principles that cannot be seen. all over the world, well, everyone is aware that retirement pensions must provide enough for life. well, all over the world, when the pensions

are determined under the title of pension indexation, pension indexation , they adjust the amount of my pension , but why do they do it in iran, even though this year again, this study is in public demand because of that there are a series of principles that are not followed. see what these principles are. i am happy that both the honorable representative and the representative of the government have pointed out that the pension rights of our dear retirees are not really sufficient for their living expenses, and as a rule, this adaptation to but see where the problem is. in my opinion, there is a problem in our pension system that causes this need to always be adjusted . the first two are that when a person becomes unemployed, we want

to establish his pension. we will take the average from the salaries of the last two years, well, for example, when there is inflation , it shows itself a lot, for example, let's say that my salary was 10 million tomans last year, and this year it is now rated, or suppose that the government raised the minimum wages or because of inflation . i have 70 million on my salary, so this is my 10 million, that's 17 million , right? according to the pension formula , what do we do ? we get an average between 10 million and 17 million. million will be established for him with the employee's salary, which is 17 million, right here

there is a gap that our retirees have been asking for for many years to make it appropriate, they really want to reduce the gap between the working and the retired people. the board of ministers adjusts the pensions every year with a certain rate , but this rate of pension adjustment was lower than the inflation rate , for example, the cost of living increases by 70%, the pensions of retirees as well as the salaries of those working at a lower rate, for example, 20%. it goes up, so this causes a gap not only with the salary of the employees but also with the cost well, this is where we do not comply with these two principles, well, it causes a gap between the salaries of retired and working people, and the provision of salaries, for example, pensioners, well

, it cannot be provided with the expenses of living, but the main point is that all these because of inflation, yes, the first gap and the second gap is because of inflation . this is where i want to say that we can do whatever we want. compliance well, if i want to say one sentence, i will finish my discussion, if these calculations insurance is not done as it is said, no one knows what kind of burden this assumption of proportionality will create on the funds . in the short term, pension funds have a long-term trend. their financial burden should be high. if this previous burden is not provided, its resources

will lead to budget deficit . we are sitting here now because of this memory both of us should sit here again in three years. in the next three years, you and mr. dr. esgari should sit again and talk about this . thank you for mr. qadri's explanation . for social security , it seems that more help is given to those who receive the maximum than those who receive the minimum. let's delete it. my job is great . let's delete it. it doesn't make much difference retirees, look at how we answer this. this is because the past decision of the parliament said that there is no practical difference between high and low salaries and exactly

equal jobs have been set as the criteria for action. they should get a job that is exactly the same as a person who is currently working, if he is retired, he should receive exactly 900. it is true that some of the things that have been done now, such as the ranking , have made a difference, and this is also objected to by retirees. they say that if i am a for example, a year later i had retired and i would be subject to ranking. this problem does not happen. it should be seen in some way that now we have created a so-called special privileges for the workers or equalization for teachers, but that retired person is now comparing himself.

it does not differ much from a working person who is exactly in terms of qualifications and work experience. the reason is that this person was included in the teacher rating scheme because he was inspected later, or he was given a special job, but he was not given it. these are the issues that should be addressed. should be seen by the government, because if we don't see these things, these protests will still remain strong and can cause problems . it is acceptable for these sources to be exactly 3 years long, because we do not want to do this exact alignment in one year, and this work needs to be done in 3 years . these 300 efforts related to this 40% of the year

are not newsworthy at all ok, for now, because he got this information from the government, if this is really what mr. askari mentioned , it is 29 efforts for the country's pension fund for 3 years , i think that the number is acceptable compared to the budget of 2400 hemti next year is not a big number and the government can easily see the work, say 800 hemt in total, well , we are not talking about the countrymen, so now you have an army, what is the responsibility of the government is a country and an army is the responsibility of the government , and the daily insurance fund is also the number is not very large , he wants to take social security from his own resources therefore, the burden is not on the shoulders of the government

, that's right , but the fact of the matter is that during the year, when temmin, you also said that you want resources. to pay for the so-called equalization of the government, it will not help him, only that yes , the demand of our friends in social security is that the debt of the government be paid to us, we can pay the debt from the place, thank you mr. qadri, thank you very much, mr. khandan, you have a point about this point it is suggested that we have to take more, for example, maximum we will help you. do you have a point of view? yes, let me tell you this too, so that you can see that we are in line with the previous conversations. if the discussion is that the cost of living has increased and we want to make an adjustment , so far, it is reasonable, it means that it is understood, but this

we have to look again, if something happens, the same insurance principles must be followed. people are entitled to receive a series of pensions based on industries, based on rewards, based on what they do, based on the insurance premiums they paid . if these salaries are adjusted, all sides should be seen, it should not be like a group an increase , for example , should be included in another group , not one, or one less, one more. for example, no, or, for example, let's assume that retirement yes, increased employment, no. well, if we sit in a commission , in a group, we cannot consider all aspects.

it turns out that the government has worked hard with this number of 80 for the fund, it seems that it is not desirable. if you have any other proposal, do you have the best solution that both the livelihood of retirees can be seen and the ability to provide funds for the government . what will it be like for a country with armies and for social welfare and not a fund? look at the signs that we are on proportionalization, not homogenization , yes, proportionalization, in fact, the proportionalization of the government covers three funds directly, the national army of rusans and nomads, now there is a small fund called foulad, which also covers it. as mr. qadiri ordered, they should pay for the fund from their own sources do this, which sources of the fund are now telling us how much we are worth, for example, social security is now saying how much i am worth, the most important thing is that the biggest economic piece is 60, until now it says that a large part of me is on the stock market board, which is transparent, and a