tv [untitled] December 11, 2023 10:30pm-11:00pm IRST
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in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, ladies and gentlemen, hello , welcome to today's world, my hosni. shabiri will accompany you in this program for an hour. after 4 days of vetoing the humanitarian ceasefire resolution by the united states in the un security council, protest reactions to this action continue around the world. in the first part of the program, we will discuss this issue, taking into account that the united states had taken similar action several times in the past, what happened that this recent action
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as it was mentioned in the beginning, after four days passed after the veto of the ceasefire resolution for palestine by the united states in the un security council, the protest reactions are still continuing. one of the latest cases is related to philip lazzarini. the head of the united nations agency for palestinian refugees said that the agency's employees in gaza feel that the international community has abandoned them , and a rare reaction was heard from the secretary general of the united nations. the attacks of the 7th of october by hamas and after that the brutality of israel. in gaza with remarkable silence
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the security council faced after more than a month, the security council finally approved a resolution that i welcomed. but that delay brings a price. the authority and credibility of the security council was severely weakened and the resolution is not implemented. i reiterate my request to declare a humanitarian ceasefire. unfortunately, the security council did not do this. but the implementation of this ceasefire has not become less necessary. so i promise i will not give up. getresh said: surrender. we will not veto america . i will discuss this reaction and further reactions with mr. gholam reza karimi, an expert on international issues who are guests of today's world, mr. karimi, welcome. first of all , i would like to ask why this time in the united states
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has faced wider reactions, in the name of allah , the merciful, the most merciful . dear, yes, in any case, a great work has been done in the past days . after 5 decades, the secretary general of the united nations has used the tool of article 99 of the united nations charter. based on this article, if the secretary general of the united nations determines that the case of a widespread violation is actually peace and security between international exists somewhere . he can oblige the security council to address this issue immediately . when the secretary general of the united nations used this tool , it was expected that there would be a consensus among the 15 members of the security council on the issue of ceasefire, but unfortunately
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, despite the fact that the positions of the three countries, france, england, and the united states, were always the same. my vote for the resolutions in this french resolution actually did not reach the end it should have reached, and here america really put itself in front of the world, in front of the public opinion of the world, and this was the headline of many media in the past days, yes. exactly yes, and in a way he is a partner in all the crimes of the regime zionist is doing in gaza. agreement because anyway the un resolution sought to establish a cease-fire only, there is no correlation between what happened on october 7 , what happened on october 15 in al-aqsa storm operation with what the zionist regime is doing in gaza
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there is no. some call it legitimate defense to destroy 70% of the houses in the gaza strip. the killing of 18,200 people by airplanes that mercilessly attack ordinary people, 70 % of whom are women and children, has no relation to one, in fact, there is no reaction to one operation, so what the americans did was actually a kind of confrontation with the public opinion of the world , naturally, i am talking about the un secretary general. in fact , he is using this tool after 5:00 p.m. he must use other tools in the coming days. one of them is actually the instrument of the resolution of unity for peace. what is that? the resolution of the alliance for peace says that the security council
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loses its effectiveness due to the use of multiple vetoes. this tool is available to the united nations general assembly. that can pass a resolution that is actually from the international community wants to refer more seriously to the issue of violation of international peace and security, although the general body of the united nations does not have a binding tool, but anyway, it helps that the world public opinion pays more attention to the issue, and even to some extent, this tool . it can be spread that the un general assembly can also propose permission to use military tools, which means that this guarantee is implemented, but the guarantee of implementation is limited because the great power of the great powers must
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be at least one or two great powers to defend this decision and now from there. however, the americans are full defenders of the israelis even this rome resolution challenges this . but anyway, today israel and america are on one side and the whole world is on the other side of the global public opinion regarding these crimes. the reaction shows that, in fact, the narratives that can be heard from gaza today were not predictable for westerners . there is a serious question of the public opinion that why should 1,820 innocent women and children who had no role in hamas operations be killed? why should all these buildings
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, residential areas, hospitals, 370 educational centers , 88 hospitals, 300 hospitals, 88 mosques, 3 churches have been destroyed ? and because of the commitment they have to the israelis , they are still resisting all the international efforts, according to your words, we will review the positions of the authorities of the three european countries that support the zionist regime, germany , england and france in the last 60 days. let's take a look at these stances, they are slowly aligning mission has become softer with public opinion, sometimes they are condemning the zionist regime , they are using words that
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point the finger at the zionist regime and make them look guilty , but america is still standing. is it possible in the coming days and with more the reactions in the public opinion and in a sense the patience of the american public opinion to give up is certainly the same, of course , it is not the case that we imagine that all the american officials are with the zionist regime, they are also making limited efforts, for example minister of foreign affairs and minister of defense regularly they are warning that this level of killing people is not acceptable, that is, at least in front of the media cameras , these words are being discussed, and they are trying to show that in fact, this duality of this dishonorable and huge scandal did not affect the issue of american human rights. western and american liberals have come into being, they can correct this to some extent
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, but their argument is still this, that is, the americans say that we vetoed the resolution so that we can restrain israel from killing more people in the gaza strip, but this is a there is a justification, it means that the world public opinion is seeing the amount and type of killings he is seeing america's reaction, definitely if the international pressure increases, this wave. against israeli goods , this wave of anti-israel movements in the international environment is forming, if it increases, the set of developments that are taking place in latin america is really impressive , it is unprecedented. while israel had influence there a long time ago, but because of the leftist ideas, there are actually revolutionary presidents there.
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entering the scene and this shows that the global public opinion exists because of the communication revolution because the international media space has expanded, what is actually happening inside gaza is being broadcast to the whole world . it used to be a war of narratives, for example, in the us military attack on iraq, the war of narratives was decisive. international new york times cnbc these determine what the reality is , but today, in fact, the palestinian child inside gaza is
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reflecting the true narrative for the entire public opinion of the world, so the westerners cannot let it in, they cannot, in fact, somehow express an image or a favorable narrative of themselves to the public opinion kenan, i can summarize this part of your answer to my question in the following way: since the last 60 days , public opinion has been shocked by the documentation of the zionist regime's crimes in gaza, and this is the reason why this time the united states vetoed the resolution with the greatest reaction. we want to talk more about this. one of the reactions and protests in the us senate was that a number of supporters of palestine went to the senate building and chanted slogans calling for a ceasefire in gaza. congress police arrested some of these people and led others out of the building.
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we will continue the conversation with mr. karimi. one of the dimensions of the protests in america is directed at the democratic party. in fact, american public opinion is looking at a party because the current president of the united states, mr. joe biden, belongs to the democratic party. in your opinion , after the developments in gaza and this how much did the position of this party change after the war that started and what criticisms were especially directed at the democrats in america is very interesting. the american national security advisor writes an article in foreign affairs 7 days before the al-aqsa storm and says that the situation in the middle east is very stable . and by the way he emphasizes that in gaza
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the situation is going very smoothly after this operation. there are many serious criticisms against them, how could they not detect such a big operation, of course , no international expert could detect that such an operation was carried out by hamas. i mean that there are serious challenges within the american decision-making structure. it is about the performance of the american government towards israel and the type of attacks they are carrying out in gaza. there have been gaps not only inside america, but even outside of america regarding the american government. you correctly pointed out you mentioned that some european countries are separating their own path from america, and we saw that france voted in favor of this resolution, and even joseph burrell, the head of the european union's foreign policy
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, announced that if we continue this process of looking at the developments in gaza, it will be a disgrace at all. the european union is harmed because the basis of the liberal order is the observance of human rights. inside the united states, both the congress party, the republican party, and the opposite party, which is a democrat , are actually considering even the amount of sending weapons to the zionist regime. because they are receiving the pressure of public opinion, even in in the american society, the pressures are increasing rapidly, the amount of demonstrations is really unprecedented , the number of people who participate are showing very strong reactions to these events, therefore , there are serious differences within the congress , even within the democratic party. today, the democrat minister
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of foreign affairs met with a number of these members. he has his own party to justify why we support them, so you are saying that even the democratic party may back those who are currently living in the white house . you can see this difference in the congress. it should stand out because, after all , public opinion is one side of the issue, and it is a strategic decision , for example, at the level of great power competition, there are two sides. the congress and the government reconcile their positions , but here the congress representative is observing the volume of demonstrations and the volume of popular protests and is making decisions based on those protests, therefore , at some times, he is in front of the government, and we are witnessing this.
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he announced that the volume of american aid, for example, to ukraine was a kind of hostage. we will keep those grants until the government's decision let's look at other issues . it is possible that in the near future, if this kind of public opinion pressure continues, even within the congress , there will be differences like the one that has arisen in the case of ukraine regarding the amount of aid to the zionist regime , because now the decision has been made. they are trying to send, for example, bombs that have the power of destruction. it is terrible, it means that it can pulverize several buildings at the same time. well, finally , public opinion is reacting to these actions of the americans, these actions of the us ministry of defense. it is not unlikely that in the near future some the members of the american congress
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have different reactions to the positions of the american government. one of the reactions that was made today to this veto of the resolution by the united states was by the spokesperson of the ministry of foreign affairs that mr. kanani said that the united states stands alone against the demand of the international community for a ceasefire in gaza. the gaza ceasefire resolution said the un security council failed to fulfill its duty to maintain peace and prevent war crimes. the spokesman of the ministry of foreign affairs stated that the killing machine of the zionist regime in the last 67 days is about 18 a thousand people were martyred, america added by vetoing the ceasefire resolution. in gaza , he voted to continue the brutality and barbarism of the zionists against the palestinian people. unfortunately
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, we were subjected to this barbaric attack by the zionist regime against gaza. the american government has once again shown its full standing with the zionist regime and its full participation in this crime. we continue the conversation with mr. gholamreza karimi, an expert on international issues . mr. karimi is one of the statistics published by the american cbs network, which in a survey he conducted said that 611 of americans do not approve of the policies of joe biden and his government regarding the military aggression of the zionist regime in the gaza strip. two other polling institutes also commented on this matter and said that in fact the democrats should be held accountable in this regard according to such a poll. hey
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, how do you evaluate the state of mr. joe biden's government in next year's american elections? yes, maybe the american government never imagined that the government would face a major crisis in the middle east in the final year of the government. and in a way, he was relieved that this is a safe area and he should focus his attention on southeast asia ok, but anyway, the biggest crisis has arisen in the relations between palestine and the zionist regime, and today the global public opinion along with the american public opinion , after all, the american public opinion is influenced by the international media, influenced by the international media environment
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and maybe if, for example, israel very. in the next few weeks , they will have to submit to the atmosphere of global public opinion . anyway, we are witnessing that the axis of resistance has risen in west asia and in the middle east . he is using rational tools and methods. many countries in the world, many strategists think that they are actually trapped that initial extreme atmosphere becomes the axis of resistance , but we have seen that in the best way , the currents of hezbollah resistance, the groups that are in iraq, the groups that are in yemen
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, showing rational reactions to the issue of preventing the spread of the crisis become a necessary excuse. many people thought that due to the wrong movements of the axis of resistance , the world public opinion would turn against hamas and against the axis of resistance , but today a situation has arisen that not only this has not happened, but palestine is on the agenda. first place in the world, go back to palestine two months ago it was removed from the global agenda. arab countries had my help in establishing relations with israel . even saudi arabia was on the verge of getting some concessions to establish political relations with the zionist regime, but we are witnessing it today. that not only all the arab countries are facing israel, but the issue of palestine as the first global issue is coming
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, it is not unlikely that if the following tools are activated and the same resolution of the alliance for peace is formed, it will lead to another resolution being issued by the general assembly of the united nations it should be emphasized like resolution 242 that the palestinian state should be established in terms of global public opinion, it is being formed that in the future, even if anything happens in gaza , hamas will not be part of palestine. hamas cannot be eliminated, it is an ideology, a movement, an ideology, there are no people that israel can catch in the tunnels and want to destroy, according to its own opinion, hamas will end , hamas has become a part of the palestinian identity, and any type of government it wants is in the dictionary of the name of palestine. it should be formed in israel, which, in my opinion , is preparing its foundations in terms of global public opinion, after hamas. part
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of that will be considered the future of palestine, so i think that despite the violent scenes and the scenes the evil we are witnessing in gaza , children and women are dying, but the future of palestine is much brighter than the last two months . but now, after 60 days have passed, the literature has changed and they are talking about hamas and the palestinian groups saying that they will take action for a new self-governing organization , how do you analyze this change of literature in the words of american officials? at first, the americans thought that within a month or 20 the day ends quickly with the start of the hamas ground offensive
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. but in any case, the resistance groups predicted in advance, that is, when they carried out the big al-aqsa storm operation , they predicted the type of israeli reaction, so we are witnessing this despite the fact that the ground attack has started, despite the fact that there are so many air attacks. it is happening, but the amount of progress is not to the extent that we can assume that the entire gaza strip will be conquered in four weeks. well , according to your analysis of the strength of the resistance , and according to the initial speech in this program , where you said that america reacted with an unprecedented response in thoughts the general public of the world and even in the public opinion within the united nations, briefly tell us how you predict the future of this conflict. i think that it depends a lot on the positions of the arab countries as the main players. the scene of palestine, so far, none
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of the arab countries. which previously had a relationship with the zionist regime, none of which have yet to cut off any of the economic contracts, which have not canceled even the islamic countries, so this actually depends on how the islamic countries, especially the arab countries, will react in the coming days. it is very important to show the volume of reactions of global public opinion, that is, if this speed is expanding during the next week. if it continues for the next week or two, the americans should definitely surrender. israel definitely cannot continue this amount of killing. it cannot be continued . now today, the hatred that has arisen towards the jews and towards the israelis even in european countries is striking. the congresses in the legislative assemblies of european countries are investigating why this amount of violence is in places compared to
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people. zionists and jews are increasing it goes back exactly to this issue, so i imagine that if the islamic countries, especially the arab countries, can show more coherent reactions in the coming days and show more intensity of action towards israel, the americans will definitely be short on this issue. they will put more pressure on israel to establish a ceasefire. or the amount of airstrikes that is being formed should be reduced from the amount of airstrikes that can reduce the number of ships because it is not acceptable at all in terms of public opinion, this amount of killing of ordinary people is very much appreciated, mr. gholamreza. karimi is an expert on international issues, but today the world continues to see a report about mr.
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