there is a list of the top 10 national teams in the world. saeed momeni was nominated for the best goalkeeper. previously, the women's national team and the goalkeeper of this team were nominated for the women's division. abdallah rahmanzadeh, minister of sports and youth of tajikistan, on the sidelines of visiting sports and historical places in dizd , stressed the strengthening of relations between iran and tajikistan. and seyyed reza mahdavi will judge golgohar sirjan's meeting with sepahan under abbas raki and press police's meeting with nasaji mazandaran tomorrow in the delayed games of the sixth and eleventh week. thank you for your attention to the news of this section. today is the sixth wednesday. december 13th

jamali vathani, it is december 27th in tehran , the sunset is at 16:58, maghrib call to prayer will be at 17:18, and the sharia midnight will be at 23:20. mr. big install, mr. install, please, in the name of god , i offer my greetings to you, dear colleague mrs. hosseini . at the economy table today, let's talk about how to distribute energy subsidies , obviously we are discussing gasoline. the old debate is whether we should give this gasoline subsidy. we want to talk to people about their national codes, that is, to individuals or to their cars. this is what we want to talk about. i invite all viewers, if they are interested in following this discussion, watch us on the news network. i would like to say just one thing, before

we have our network pass, there was an order of the leadership in the meeting of the last few days, and that was to emphasize that we have a real competition , how will this real competition be created , that the election field should be a real field. it is a competition from all streams of thought all political viewpoints should participate in the elections and this competition should be a real competition. if we see the issue together , what do we want to talk about today? let's take a look at the statistics before we enter into our discussion to see how the statistics of gasoline consumption and production are basically . million liters per day, if i want to tell you roughly, it is something like the number we are producing, that is, between 110 115 million liters of consumption, 100 to 115 million.

in other words, our production and consumption are at a break-even point. in different ways, we heard from the officials of the ministry of oil that, for example, we are doing a swap with another name , which means we are exporting another product, for example , instead of importing gasoline. in the true sense of what the officials of the ministry of oil say and what we have discussed in various programs of the economy desk, some mps in the energy commission have mentioned that we are more or less importing gasoline. that how many cars do people have? how much do they use? 50% of people's families don't have a car at all. this statistic of majlesh research center says that 50% of households don't have a car. there is a figure of 35% that says one car is one car. we have a percentage that says they use more than three cars.

in general, those who have 3 cars comprise 3% of the society , 3% of the households . it means that this 50 % is basically from the government subsidy they pay for fuel, they do not get any interest. in response to this point, it is said that , for example, they are using taxis, they are using this form of transportation , they are receiving subsidies, but it is possible for me to have my own car and take a taxi, so it is as if i have to pay twice. i use it, so of course you can't have this analysis, but today we want to check and see how basically the gasoline subsidy that is here is explained, how it should be closer to justice that you come to the cash registers in the next month or two to one of these two spectrums think about how you should vote for these spectrums so that they come to the parliament to describe whether the energy subsidy should be paid to everyone according to the same model or not in the current way . group. the energy of the tv news agency

is preparing it, let's see it together, let's come back and start our conversation with the two guests of the program. how to explain the fuel subsidy is a hot topic. it is to economists that it started in the 80s. when, according to the statistics of the ministry of petroleum, the daily import of gasoline reached more than 25 million liters per day. a group of economists believe that the government should gradually remove the fuel subsidy. for example, masoud nili says that gasoline subsidies are given to families that benefit more than families that do not have a personal vehicle . therefore, the price of gasoline should gradually move towards an international price and the resulting resources should be considered to pay the needy people. farhad nili also says: the continuation of the policy of applying support prices for energy carriers will result in financial deficit and inflationary effects. taimur rahmani

is another economist who believes that removing gasoline subsidy will not cause inflation. according to him with manipulation in the pricing system cannot be supported by vulnerable groups and the origin. persistence of inflation in iran is a political issue, not a change in gasoline prices. a group of these economists agree with the gradual elimination of fuel subsidy, but they are against the globalization of its price, such as seyed ali madanizadeh, who says that the government should first create the domestic energy market without changing the price , and then gradually change the method of paying the subsidy from price to change the payment of cash subsidy or investment bonds. another group of economists are fundamentally against the existence of hidden subsidies in fuel prices, such as hasan sobhani he says that increasing the price of gasoline will not reduce its consumption, and the import of gasoline also increases inflation , so the rationing method should be used. according to

him, fuel smuggling has nothing to do with its price, and border management should be strengthened. we have seen the opinion of the economists on the subject we are discussing here in the studio of the economics desk, mr. hemat gholizadeh, an economic expert, and mr. ali maleki, another economic expert who is in our program, and we are discussing the subject that i have presented to you. hello, both guests of the program are allowed i would like to start with mr. maleki and the question of what is the cause of this discontent that we have seen here , and what policy do you think should be adopted so far that could compensate for this discontent , but so far this has not happened. yes, in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. hello and have a good time. good service to you and your colleagues, natarazi. naturally, the product is going big, the big trend we have on the supply side and the demand side, when the supply side cannot grow as much as the demand side, well, these two are far apart.

taking and naturally the need is answered in the society as much as it exists and the result is a kind there is a lack of some kind of queue for people to access a product or service, they have to wait , they have to be rationed, in any case, there is a limit in the middle . it seems that in the field of gasoline, at least this year , as it was predicted in the first year of the current government, you saw the trends, it was clear that the supply and production of gasoline in the country cannot increase with the same trend as the consumption. come to his feet and naturally this shortage will arise, so this distance must be covered in some way dadd, and unfortunately, the statistics we have , although they have not been published in detail, this year we officially entered the field of gasoline imports, in fact, either now

through swab, as you said, or even this year , when it entered the country's direct import during peak times, which we have up to 100 and 40 million is actually estimated that this holiday, yes, this is not only the issue that we cannot spend, people will face problems, but it is also extremely dangerous from the point of view of national security, because the country's security reserves are consumed. we can't really continue this for a long time this can put the country under sanctions and not only has economic issues but also security issues , thank you very much sir. do you think how much the price solutions have been appropriate so far or how much the non-price solutions that we have adopted so far by different governments and how effective these have been so far in reaching this imbalance or can they be effective in may we overcome the conflict, in the name of allah

, the most merciful, the most merciful. i am at the service of your excellency, your colleagues, dear guests of the program and dear people, especially my greetings, courtesy and respect. yes, we are, dear sir. we can't talk about gasoline, but let's leave aside iran's energy economy system, because your excellency rightly mentioned the issue of yaran energy in the introduction of the program . there is an idea, that is, we are playing on a football field , we say, give this player, give this gas, that gas is good . which theory, obviously, the most prominent theory was the theory of november 2018 one thousand tomans to 3000 tomans with the same words that i am hearing from friends who died. dear sir, the people are high consumers , there is a disharmony, until we find the problem right, again with this trial and error

, it is a general commodity like gasoline, which has a wide range , directly and indirectly , i highlight these keywords, regardless of factors in terms of domestic economy or production economy , disasters like november 2018 are not far from our mind, or for example, if we go back to the start or the time of the original start of this project, which is from 2009. people should not be told , maybe a sound spectrum that should come would defend the rights of the nation were never mentioned, and that was the globalization of energy prices. you see, here is the issue. now , since you mentioned globalization, we are talking about the price of energy, because we are obviously talking about gasoline. let's see how far it is from the world price. now the website of the national oil products distribution company publishes the number. the last number that i

have in my mind was 22,000 a week ago , and it was 22,000 tomans. toman is at the it rate , that is, at the rate of 38 dollars, how much is it in dollars? i think 57 cents is a little bit higher in this area, i think it's about 60 cents now, it always means if we get 60 cents, something between , for example, 40 thousand tomans . let's highlight one issue, natrazi, for example, as an expert, i don't deny natrazi or shortage or deficit , for example, let me explain one of them, a short series of the same soup that you brought up by ghirhamna. well, look, at first glance, we say in ghirhamna soup that the consumption is high, so now the parameter it is accepted that our consumption is high compared to other countries and people, from the perspective of our society and system, our consumption is not high. for example, the per capita consumption of gasoline by the people of afghanistan

, minus afghanistan, is less in most of the countries around iran . we bring the car into the issue , we all know the acceptance of our experts and friends, the acceptance of my people , the awareness of my people has increased in these talks that we have done, to which country did we say, our consumption is almost not too much , afghanistan is next to us. less than us, well no afghanistan, which is almost equal to the average of the world, well, per person , if you consider per capita in these countries. france consumes less than us, china consumes less than us, even countries that

are more advanced in terms of industry, we have per capita, we are not absolute , it is not the same as america, or equal to us . ok, how can consumption not be a reference everywhere? america is the country with the highest consumption of liters per 100 kilometers traveled. iran is actually 11 , while canada is 88 and america is 86. we consume 11 for every kilometer we travel canada, 88, america, 86, russia, 84

per capita consumption, and how much was the per capita consumption, twice the world average, how much is the world, in fact, here is 6 half of iran, one and two tenths , half of iran, one and two tenths. the so-called international energy agency's science is very good , mr. koliz. please, please see that there is a point that we need to show so that my dear people will understand. i will try to say it very briefly and in simple language . you have conflicting statistics. look at the comparison of iran's gasoline consumption with that of the middle east. the area of ​​the world is up to 24, 25, we are the world economy, many of them countries don't have gasoline energy at all, many of them are all bigger, many of them are not. you bring up the average of the world. when we do the world, someone like me will know 200 countries in your mind. you said the world

. i heard you say 100 kilometers, or your famous example. of course, mr. maliki here, there is no comparison. i am in this range that friends. now it's a matter of thoughts , mr. gholizadeh would like to classify the spectrum quickly, then go to that spectrum and see how many words he said, they are all wrong. see, i'll explain. either the friends we are working with have agreed, if they are labeled in short , i have to accept my own responsibility. no one accepts aban 98 with any kind of our shock therapy. we don't agree with any kind of treatment, any reform should happen in the country , there should be prior knowledge and i respect the gradual reform of this bright and noble . we say goodbye to network one, thank you.

once it was highlighted, it became a news headline, o people, o people, where did you stay in turkey with its greatness 9 he consumes millions of liters of gasoline. his excellency has explained it correctly . so i looked at the statistics of mr. maleki's statistics . they were global statistics. now i say that this can be checked . you can only tell me the year 2009. let's go back to your original question. our year 2009 we used to talk about the same thing, not 98 89 target branding , we used to say, sir, we give subsidies to the people, we used to give 100 billion dollars in energy subsidies now the calculations of this number are different. i like to say 80 because the basis of the calculations is more accurate . we used to say 80 billion dollars. let's do the work, you have 89 gasoline, no energy , four or five times the original total energy, the total energy is 5 times ten , now the total energy

is 86 billion dollars , then we started the game. a good rule of thumb for a good price. again, this was repeated several times until its peak, which was in november 2018, and today i am giving you statistics. before 2018, we had inflation , but now the inflation is 15 to 20, mr. bazarb , and now the inflation is between 40 and 50. look, now , yaran energy is 86 billion. dollar with all this the events that people see in the economy are still expensive at 86 billion dollars. if friends can show this graph, there are two very key graphs, what is your football field like, because, for example, we made a mistake with our low energy, we don't have anything called hidden energy subsidy, there is a reason why you are coming from the middle of the country to get only gasoline. you draw it, you bring it up , you highlight it, you say onor energy, energy, then energy, gas , gasoline, and gasilo, you say onor, the border is this price

, then here is this price, this is multiplied, the rate is from the minus of this rial inside us to you now 100 billion now different numbers. we do it, but this is true, friends say that our target is not the people. after all, the issue of price increase and the target society is the people, so the reduction in consumption that we had in the first place has started, and many have been investigated in 98 and 8.

according to the official documents of 1401, 1300 tomans per liter of gasoline with the price of zero oil, with the price of national oil at the price of zero oil, only the cost is spent, that is, in fact, from the wellhead to the time it reaches the station. it will cost only 300 tomans, brother, only 300 tomans is the cost of the place itself , now it can be 120,300 tomans, the cost is actually processing and transfer. well, it means that they consider oil to be zero

, it doesn't matter at all. well, very well, then you. 1000 tomans was free, so no , let's go here together until i ask the question. you say that basically there is no subsidy , there is no hidden energy, the consumption is not high, and the price of gasoline should be produced in the country. in my opinion, it should belong to the entire people of iran. the main point of the discussion here is whether there is a subsidy or not, we don't talk about this, i don't want to talk about a word, in any case, it reaches some people, a product does not reach some people, so this should be equal , indifference is the right of all people. to popularize iran. the oil and energy industry means that this is for all people when it comes to iran, the first principle is that there is no reason why someone is richer, he has a bigger house , he has more cars, he should benefit more from this

. now, is there a subsidy or not ? there is no subsidy at all. it is a mistake, we should talk about the mechanism of price formation. if he says 3000 tomans, i will say 200 tomans. i will say 2900 tomans. why not? toman is not a game that we should talk about its mechanism. in my opinion, the mechanism is the best mechanism, the mechanism of price formation in supply and demand inside iran, to the world, our cooperation. we don't have it, how does it mean that people own this energy in any way. now here is my energy . i believe that this model works for the rest of the carriers . well, for now, if we want to talk about gasoline , gasoline, what the country's production capacity actually is, is a quota for all the people get it, it is not heart that people don't get it because they don't have a car, it should be explained between the people, now those who have more consumption

should buy from those who don't have less consumption . my world, we have nothing to do, the world is for itself in any way from one point of view mr. qolizadeh's words are correct from the point of view that energy is our relative position, we cannot say that a country that has energy should give its energy at the price of a country that does not have energy . we don't mean it in this way, but in any case, at the end of the day, the person who wants to buy energy from the person who has energy should buy it at what price, i will set the price. the government's price bearer should go out. the government has shown that it is not even a good trustee, that is, it has not been able to properly entrust the energy that god has given us to the people. so that people can consume and benefit from it, the fact is that a country that is actually the first country in the world in terms of total oil and gas resources

lacks energy in summer and winter, so what happens when you have the most resources but your people suffer from the lack of energy? bren means that now it is true that we, for example , depending on the fact that we are giving to families, people may not feel the blackout, but it is showing its effect somewhere else . they shut down, in fact , they don't export. they don't export. the country's currency is limited . when the country's currency is limited, the price of the currency goes up. the first critic is my dear brother, that when the price of bread goes up, it will destroy the whole economic cycle of the country . therefore, if we want the price of bread to be stable , the supply of currency must be correct. if the supply of currency is to be correct, the industries must be active. if the industry wants to be active, energy must be produced in the country. and let it be an investment, which cannot be done with this mechanism, with the mechanism of energy pricing by the honorable government , the honorable government should take this supply and demand out of the hands of the people, if i believe in the first steps

, if the price. it came below 3,000 tomans, it came to 2,500 tomans , the government should comply with this, but if i am later in this domestic supply and demand market, someone came and told him that, sir, i have a quota of gasoline, i want to give 5 thousand tomans for him. the government should allow the buyer who needs and is worth it to give him this 5 thousand tomans and a whether he buys a liter of gasoline or not, like now, with higher rationing and conversion of 60 to 40, 40 to 30 card, the card will work. we are only reducing our consumption by creating queues and creating trouble for the people, especially in the intercity area. it's okay to have a quota , you don't have to have a quota, there's no way around it, anyway, the quota should be explained in some way, but then the supply and demand between those who have a shortage of quota and those who have a free quota, so what does it mean that, for example, you

have a car? mr. qolizadeh has 3 cars. let's go and see the report that my colleagues are preparing together. let's come back and see how we sell gasoline to each other. the average speed is 14. of course, our speed does not go below 100. if not to say that the first-tier accused whose footprints in a challenge called natrazi gasoline are from haram nashems. fuel consumption of domestic cars as announced national refining and broadcasting company is double the standards. i play seven times. how many liters is it? 350 liters. 350 liters per month. another point is to control consumption through electrification, the process of which should be accelerated throughout the country. electrification of tehran.

buses, motorcycles , taxis, god willing, and then, god willing, most of the traffic in tehran can be electrified. to this list, the diversification of the fuel basket should be added, and even the considerable empty capacity of cng production in the country can generate 8 billion dollars of foreign exchange for the country every year. do it by saving gasoline consumption, practically the same 250 to our place they are operating with half of their capacity , the need to improve public transportation is not a new thing.

at the end of the 13th government, with the conditions that we have seen in the first phase, we hope that we can actually follow the 40-50% border, and we can conclude, god willing, john kalami, that the average consumption of gasoline in the country is 116 million. liter has reached that the warning alarm has been sounded so that we do not become importers of this product, the detailed hadith of this whole is a threat to energy security. yasir beheshti of sed and sima news agency . well, we saw yaser beheshti's report together, sir qolizadeh, how much do you think the private sector is willing to enter these non-price plans , basically come and try to save on gasoline consumption in optimization plans, one of the discussions that we do not allow to emerge in the flood of this same globalization. i would like to say very prominently that we have a diverse portfolio of energy in the country, and

the internet, and considering that a few days ago the stations had problems, and well, news sensitivities, and considering the enemies that the country has, do you think that we are really against everyone? in this simple way , let's give gasoline to a national code, in the village, they don't want this gasoline that gasoline wants 90 million people to find each other, and i put this term in the program of the method with numbers and statistics .