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tv   [untitled]    January 27, 2024 3:00pm-3:30pm IRST

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for years, iran's football has not been able to win the match. babak kazemi, correspondent of sda news agency, thank you for your support. today is saturday the 7th of bahman, the 15th of rajab and the 20th of january. in tehran, sunset at 17:00. 26 minutes, maghrib call to prayer at 17.45 minutes and sharia midnight at 23.34 minutes. thank you very much for your support. i invite you to be a viewer of the election program. with the performance of my colleague, mr. bozor nasib , i greet you. the special features of the higher election program are clearly the main question of today's program. i would like to serve you, because
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our opportunity in the network is limited, we want to talk and debate about whether to hand over historical monuments to the private sector in order to develop tourism, to boost this industry or not, this is not a constructive thing and it is harmful. be a special follower of the above program from khabar network, the importance of elections in electing a strong parliament, the key is in the hands of the people, coach of iran.
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you are special for the higher program. the leader of the revolution in his recent meetings called the real competition one of them the important elements of elections mean that the field is open for the presence of different political, cultural, and economic viewpoints so that all people with their own diverse viewpoints can participate in the big election contest and a competition. get real in this great body shape contest. one of the issues on which experts disagree, and the issue of this program has been decided from the top, and the supporters and opponents are supposed to have a debate on that issue , is whether we should hand over historical monuments to the private sector or not. basically , there are two views that the supporters say that if this happens in this way, we can have the development of tourism , the prosperity of tourism , and make better use of these spaces.
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to be able to attract more people, foreign tourists, domestic tourists and other explanations that we will get to in the program. on the other hand, the opponents of this handover, with many conditions they have, say that if this happens not very carefully, these works may be damaged, and basically we we can't have a transfer , we have to do a long-term lease and under special conditions , which we will reach in the program with a higher debate. stay with us for this part, thank you you are a special companion of the higher program. here in our studio, mr. mohajeri nejad, a member of the faculty of the research institute of cultural heritage and tourism , is here as an opponent of the transfer of historical monuments. also, mr. talai, the head of the development and restoration of historical monuments fund, who is in favor of the transfer of monuments, according to
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the fourth development plan law, is here. it was approved in 1984 and it was implemented in the so-called way for the participation of the people of qorsi and the restoration of historical buildings. well, from 1984 until now, if i'm not mistaken, i think from 1984 to now, 100 to 100 and approximately 20 buildings have been handed over , an average of 7 8 characteristic buildings which is a series of iranadati in terms of form and nature in the way of handing over. there
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is no very clear mechanism regarding the so-called handing over or complete studies have not been done , there are no proper so-called confidential practices, providing servants. we have a building restoration plan that is similar to the structure of the handover, which is the concern of the people and the activists of the so-called cultural heritage field , and probably the so-called rents that exist. there are people in the country who can build these buildings from a technical point of view to manage finances or not, this is a so-called debate that exists, but at the bottom of the matter , all funds have the same nature. the nature of the fund is mostly economic. there is no doubt that the funds are mostly economic. the economic center of the parliament came in 2083, the so-called nature of the fund. my government
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has not specified the exact nature of the fund, it has only said that the fund is called the so-called rehabilitation and exploitation fund. please tell me the history of your service, so from a historical point of view, the so-called nature of aqoqi is not completely clear in the so-called seventh program, unfortunately, it has not been completed, but if there are it was one of the so-called weaknesses that existed in the parliamentary and legal department and unfortunately, the problem is not being addressed . instead of giving a series of so-called efficient programs, we did not do this. authority. the fund itself, with the rise given by the so-called ministry of home affairs, regarding the discussion of the so-called legal and legal obstacles that exist, well, we said that the fund is a non-profit institution, but it is true that the so-called non-profit is the so-called governmental, non -profit or non-governmental. there is another discussion if
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it is so-called non-governmental, well, it is a separate issue, if it is not governmental , why should the employees of the salary group receive these salaries again from this fund. this is in terms of the so-called structure of the so-called fund, but we have to go a step higher , which means that the function of the fund is to insure the tourism institutions, the so-called important parts of the handicraft industry, artists' workshops, and the so-called restoration workshops and the so-called fields. there is an activity in the field of cultural heritage, tourism and handicrafts, so i believe that the ministry of home affairs has not fulfilled its duty so far. in the following, i will discuss the concerns of the activists in the field of cultural heritage based on the so-called restoration method of the exquisite restoration and that the so-called discussions in the field of so-called cultural and environmental heritage is related to society's core, so whether
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we like it or not, there are a series of concerns , including a number of rials about the so-called benefit and loss. in general, when there is a so-called auction, the bidding is based on a standard that will be referred to in the discussion. thank you, mr. talai. why do you agree to mr. majri nejadam's orders ? in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. greetings and courtesy to you and all the dear viewers. the subject of my assignment , i would like to say one thing to you and all the dear viewers, and that is to build. which belongs to the government, al-aleb for the government, that is , in the issue of transfer, there is no question of sale, it is a question of rent, which is a kind of way of attracting people's participation
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for their own heritage, that a space has been created in the fund, why we are basically the issue of transfer. or, in fact, the participation of the people for revival i know a more correct word, people's participation for the restoration of historical monuments, why this is done, the reason is that the protection of cultural heritage is not just a matter of registering a work, protection has a cycle, that cycle includes identification and registration of restoration. and when a building is revived, if it is revived, the building's stability will increase and it will be better protected. the next point is that in the issue of protecting historical monuments
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, in the so-called issue of attracting people's participation to revive the interests of the people, it is very important sometimes and in the past years the issue of cultural heritage protection is one-dimensional in the fact is considered and the interests of the people and the local community that it is built. there is one in the neighborhood of that building in that place. it is not considered at all. anyway, a building has been the place of residence of one of the neighbors for many years . he was one of the people of that place, and we are only talking about the issue of protection, in fact, recording this. we understood how the people of the same place, the people of the same local community, the people of the same province, can participate in the revival of the heritage that belongs to them. and sometimes this heritage has the identity aspect of that region and
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it wants to be done through the people themselves. the people themselves are doing it, so to speak , involving people in the issue of cultural heritage protection, that is, the issue of establishing a fund is not a one-time and obvious issue, the result of the country's policy experience in this matter. after restoration, well, before and after the islamic revolution , we had various plans for the protection of cultural heritage, especially historical buildings , the output and result of the process and the methods used for restoration led to the creation and establishment of the fund. 14 laws of the 4th development plan, that a fund should come and be in charge of the restoration of historical monuments, in fact, this is it
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the fund has not been able to fulfill some of its tasks in recent years, from the time of its establishment until before this government, due to the missed opportunities that happened in the past, that is, a fund that was originally born in the field of cultural heritage, and was established by experts and passionate people in the field of heritage. culture happened in its own time, but because it was not accepted by different departments of the ministry in previous years, we missed opportunities . this is due to the challenges between in fact, i have a point to tell you about this topic. the subject is actually people's participation in the restoration of historical monuments. when
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we look at cultural heritage, we see that the fund was created to fill a gap in the country in the field of restoration and protection of cultural heritage and has an independent legal personality affiliated with the ministry of cultural heritage. that we actually see the challenge is that mr. neither the legal personality of the fund is clear , neither is the fund that has an account. belonging to the ministry of cultural heritage in article 2 of the statute, this fund is identified as an institution affiliated to the ministry of cultural heritage, the legislator, so the fund is specific in nature and has a lot of legal capacity for the restoration and restoration of historical monuments. this is what i said in terms
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of the nature of the problem. in terms of the nature of the problem, there is a problem in terms of nature. you just said that the fund is a completely different issue. our main discussion is the issue of handover or non-handover. is it correct to disagree or agree? i say that the nature of the fund is not clear in a sense. it is a government high-altitude institute that is not the government of the fund is based on the fact that the trustee is not currently a non-profit governmental institution , but it is now based on the rules of transactions and the approval of the board of trustees of the fund, which are 6 ministers, based on the fact that the trustee of the fund is a fully governmental institution. i know, i said no government, i'm not saying it's a government, i'm saying it's a government , it's a non-profit, it's a government. look, you're saying now, for example , that our schools are non-profit, not that mr. majrizad is a legislator in the section under article 114 of development, and also in the law on the protection of teachers and
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industry activists. desti raises the issue of the fund in its 8th article otherwise, in fact , the legislator, mr. dr., is a non-governmental legislator in the law establishing the fund and the law adding new duties in 1396 to the issue of the fund, when he has not entered into the issue of what form and image the fund should be, and put this in the hands of the executive branch. given by the executive branch based on the rules based on the fact that the statute is approved. ministers who can help the fund with its tasks in the matter of rehabilitation and restoration . the legal institution is actually independent and recognized as a non-profit institution affiliated to the ministry as a non-so-called non-governmental institution. this point is that when we have an account, well
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, when our inquiry from the court of accounts announces, well. it is true that you are a government institution . when we handed over the buildings that we handed over in previous years, my point is that mr. majer's subject of the fund is not only government buildings. article 6 of the fund's statutes covers all historical buildings of the country. the executive branch as the title that the nature that can fund. let him work, he chooses this title, this title is not because of ignorance, but because of the understanding of the legislator and the executive branch, this happened to us. my problem is that what we are doing in practice for the restoration of historical monuments is not a legal problem
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, it is a legal problem . there is a law in nature , you actually have to be non-self-interested as a government institution, when we have the right to harm , then we left, now it's a question and now i don't have a job , there is this legal creation that should have been mentioned in the so-called seventh plan we do not have the so-called nature of the fund servant with its current nature , i don't know any obstacle for the revival of the historical monuments of the country. no, i don't . the legal capacity and the title in article 2 of the statute of this fund has all the capacity that it wants to be effective for the restoration and restoration of historical buildings . you can see the main point of the handover discussion. it should be a cooperative . the government sector is based on the constitution. i don't have a job now, but
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i say that the nature of our buildings is such that we are different from the so-called. we had the fourth program again, which is the so-called note of this letter executive section d, note 36 of the budget law 1379 approved 18279, what did the government come and do? it is very interesting, that is, the ministry of cultural heritage came and what did the cultural heritage organization do? the duty of the government , the duty of governance in general, is what is called as a method. but the so-called valuable building should be taken, maintained, restored, and given a use after restoration, that is, before the creation of the so-called fund, it was essentially the duty of the ministry. he should restore it, give it a use. when we talk about the historical texture, we say the texture is organic, which is true
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, there are different components of life in it, so the so-called method of restoration is very important. now i will discuss. let's come to participate with the private sector regarding the buildings that are owned by the people , the historical structures, but not the so-called landmark buildings at the disposal of the ministry of cultural heritage. on the principle of user restoration, which no one has any objection to, i am talking about your so-called restoration method time for mr. doctor. what is our point? mr. doctor , our point is that you refer to the law of the year. 79. while the legislator has completed the protection process and mr. doctor, we do not own the historical monument at all, right, well , now the government has more than 3,000 historical monuments. at one time
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, based on understanding, in fact, the executive and the legislator at the same time came from the public resources of the country. we went and acquired some buildings and wanted to revive the restoration . this is a failed policy the heart of the development fund and the historical buildings that have come out means that the policy they implemented is to acquire buildings from public sources. repair the restoration plans of the pardisan plan were done, so you couldn't finish the historical buildings, it led to the fund , and now the point is that in the matter of buildings, all the buildings, whether owned by the government , owned by government agencies, or owned by the people, are nationally registered. they are not beautiful from our eyes, but they can be our building
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it does not have material values ​​or more spiritual values ​​and identity of a society, and we come to register this building, so basically when we talk about historical buildings, the issue about it is: something known as exquisite. now, should we actually have the policy of entrusting the participation of the people to the restoration of our historical monuments , including all the buildings and all of them in one version ? let him manage it himself, like a part of the country's national bases. like some of the country's 100 landmark buildings are managed by the government, such as chia , saadabad complex, niavaran complex
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, takht jamshid complex, bistun complex, and our landmark mahout buildings. these are their management and all rights are actually under the responsibility of the government. your ministry is the cultural desk, but are there single buildings that belong to the government or buildings that belong to the people ? we went and registered the people's buildings nationally . keep the term with conservation and restoration there is no contradiction in registration. if it belongs to the people , it should be the property of the people. it is not a problem. we went and registered the people's buildings nationally.
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the building is almost ready to be handed over, that is, if a private investor comes, it will be forgiven . right now, the first 200 buildings must be government
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buildings , right, so it belongs to the society. tehran's market is falling apart, the ministry of cultural heritage is not doing a great job which is the responsibility of the government ministry of cultural affairs, ministry of housing and shahrazadi, tehran municipality. the bazaars themselves should give some money, it is correct to give a repair plan to the ministry, give it a fund , come and revive it, why is this not working, why did you stop the easiest work that belongs to the community, now tehran bazaar, they say that because the property is owned by the private sector, come help. do it, both quantitatively and qualitatively , and in terms of your service, that we give technical help, and in terms of reforms, what should the government do , take bank reforms, reduce the private sector and people , but here we are talking about 2,000 government buildings. face that we belong to the trustee , we want to restore this at all in the whole country, no
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, they have a restoration plan. we don't understand the so-called income components of national interests, why do you assume that 2 thousand buildings should be restored, it belongs to the people , it belongs to all the people, but the market of tehran belongs to all the people. there is no other than the so-called argument that tehran's bazaar is private property, but these 200 buildings that i want you to hand over belong to the government. leave this one to me. let me speak. 2 thousand buildings . i will say that if these are restored, what is the duty of the national development fund for the other infrastructures ? cash desk. i will give them financial support as well as technical support , but only 200 buildings, if they get 1 billion tomans a year, i say at least one so-called building.
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if you have an income of 1 billion tomans , multiply 2,000 by 1 billion tomans. how much is the budget of the ministry of cultural heritage for 2 years? you can see a lot of buildings, don't let me see them, so we have to look at the resources, so to speak , we have to oblige in line with these 2000 buildings , i mean bank sources, the ones that are related to the private sector, 2000 according to me, your number is like 20 cultural heritage or the government ministry. the ministry of cultural heritage itself has approximately 2000 buildings in the country
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. there are also buildings technically speaking. well, you say 200 zar . multiply by one thousand billion tomans. how much will the profit be? no, it is too much. 200 multiplied by 1 billion. 200 multiplied by a thousand billion . mr. doctor, this is not a thousand billion . look, 2 thousand, 2 thousand are recorded at the minimum one billion tomans, yes, one billion income , one building, one billion income, one building, you, for example, a house , for example, a house, a caravanserai, no, you, a caravanserai, if it is renovated, assume the income , mine is mine, now, mr. doctor, i say that i will tell you the statistics. you are not from the statistics , neither am i. do you have a restored caravan house? look, it is renovated. we have a renovated caravan house , not two to 10 renovated caravan houses. toman should have income
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for the government, not for anyone who is in the so-called now the government is either handing it over to the private sector or it belongs to the private sector at all. look, mr. doctor, let me tell you something. no, you answer my question. so i want to tell you to see, no , look, mr. doctor, on the issue of our historical monuments, if for all let's have one version , it's not a question of having one version, mr. doctor, you say that , actually, part of the problems of our country's cultural heritage today are due to the missed opportunities that
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mr. doctor! if you are looking for government resources from the national development fund to acquire historical monuments, as in the past decades, mr. dr. what does "rehabilitation" mean? does it mean the life of going inside the building? the ministry of cultural heritage, if today, the image of being popular is that, mr. ma now.
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