there are many differences of opinion on how and to which part of the chain the subsidy should be paid to the first chain, for example , should we allocate the subsidy to producers and importers or not , for example, should we allocate it to the people ? there are a lot of people who disagree with each other, a lot of people who disagree , today's higher program is dedicated to this, we want to watch these differences of opinion together in the form of a debate, if you are interested in this discussion. follow us on the news network. the importance of elections in choosing a strong parliament. the key is in the hands of the people. iranian coach, sharaf iran. telegram channel is playing across the country. there is no pricing this month, it's an interesting question. we don't want to be a football manager. we do not agree with any kind of therapeutic person.

in his recent meetings, the leader of the revolution called real competition one of the important pillars of the election. following means that the field is open for the presence of different political, economic, and cultural points of view so that all these points of view with their differences can form a real competition in the big election race and have an active presence in the field . as i told you, one of the issues that different experts disagree on is how to allocate subsidies. whether we pay the subsidy to the chains, the first chain, the middle of the chain, the whole chain, or we basically put the subsidy at that point. let's

give it to the final consumer, which is the people. there are many experts who have different opinions on this topic, and naturally, another topic of the higher program has been dedicated to this topic . here in the upper studio of mr. hassan khani, an expert. they are economically present as fardad and the debate party who agree to pay the subsidy to the chain and mr. bandannejad, another economic expert of the program, who agree to pay the subsidy to the final consumer and oppose the payment in the way that mr. hassan khani believes in, while saying hello to both guests of the program, they are allowed. i want to start with mr. hassan khani and this question, basically, what is your reason for thinking that the subsidy should be paid to the chain and not to the final consumer, in the name of allah, rahman, raheem. hello, i am here to serve you

, dear guests and dear people of our country, because i love football and the national team yesterday in fact, we witnessed his win , i congratulate you all on this win. god willing , we can become champions and shine in asia . talk about football . let me tell you , i'm trying to say that basically, subsidies and subsidy payments are viewed from different angles. sometimes governments look at it from the perspective of their own budgets, people look at it from the perspective of their purchasing power , and producers look at it from the perspective of production power and production obstacles. tick and different points of view and the type of attitude of different angles to it actually.

it can be seen that in order for us to be able to evaluate this zoya together, to match it and to draw a policy result from it, i have listed some of these goals that can be followed by subsidies, in fact, the policy of paying subsidies. acceptable means a subsidy that does not affect us in any structure and in any government. or the logic of governance has no place. you pay a subsidy to any part of the chain, or to the consumer, or to the producer, or to the various rings, but you don't understand its effects. it can be observed. it's not for you, this subsidy actually has no special philosophy and cannot be defended . second, its effectiveness must be verifiable.

again, it should be reviewed. the third issue is that the subsidy should not have a destructive effect on production . you cannot subsidize a chain, a producer, a consumer , but the result of this subsidy is the destruction of your production. defend the fourth issue is that the subsidy that is paid must be defensible for or bearable for the government. you are a subsidy you have to pay so that the government can survive under the financial burden of that subsidy, and if you want to pay all the government's budget as a subsidy, this is not defensible. i am telling you the conditions of establishment. and the continuation of subsidy payment is correct . now, for what issue, for what product , in what form, this is a separate issue. the last issue, which is very important, is the issue of corruption. if we pay a subsidy, either to the end of the chain or to the beginning of the chain, this corruption is caused.

we must be able to prevent and counter this possible corruption caused by this subsidy payment, if we follow the limitations of these frameworks. we can talk about the subsidy case by case. sometimes you see a subsidy for a product that is a basic product, sometimes you see a subsidy for a product that is not a basic product, but it is produced in the country of an engine such as a car, for example, this should be discussed on a case-by-case basis. now, if you get a chance , god willing, mr. badna nejad , what do you think? in the name of god, the most merciful, the most merciful. greetings to you and the dear listeners and viewers of sima. with all the respect i have for the idea of ​​mr. hassan khani, i have only one criticism of this debate, that now subsidies to the chain should be given, while it is good after all, you know that there are different types of subsidies . now there are 5 different types that exist in many countries. it doesn't matter whether

it is developed countries, developing countries, or countries that are under sanctions. most of these countries give subsidies in the following ways. different types of subsidies are now either cash or semi-cash or goods or public payments or exemption from a series of payments in different ways , but there are about 122 subsidy schemes that exist. nearly 50 of them are in the cash sector and in that last cycle it is up to the consumer, now the methods are different, this is cash or quasi-cash or essential goods, this is a different discussion. i want to say this, in the chain, maybe the subsidy will finally reach its goal based on the economic formulas and the effect that society needs, but this is in an ideal situation, we have to discuss the economy of our country and

the uncontrollability of this chain. some places have limited us. after all, we are living in a country that may have some of these borders that we have with other countries, that is, in the area of ​​goods smuggling, possibly in various economic debates. it is in our country, this chain is not very controllable, it may be given to a place where the effect has not happened to the people, we have the experience of 2089 , where the targeting of yarana was done, with a part of it given to the people, and a part of it was supposed to be in production, that is, in that chain. it happened but we did not see it. this means that what was intended for the chain was intended for the manufacturer, and the difference in energy costs , etc., did not happen, and finally, the manufacturer himself suffered due to the price increase

, so in my opinion, his way of paying cash that we we completely disagree, that is to say that cash payment to people is given to people in economic terms, in my opinion, it is an absurd job. now, i have no job . i pay about 600,000,000 and i think 50,000,000 per year. it is possible to spend the rest in the form of hidden subsidies in the field of energy and other sectors . the general consumption of the people happens to be used, which means planning in the long term, first of all, a part of the hidden subsidy that we are giving for the long-term plan to reduce people's consumption, you know how much our light is, how much our energy consumption is, yes

, how much is our energy consumption in the country. it is two and a half times the global average, and when this happens , we have to pay some expenses and give this subsidy to our energy twice in secret. energy is at your service . let me tell you a side note. look at the debate on energy. energy consumption means the amount of energy we consume divided by the value of the goods we produce . unfortunately, the value of the goods we produce is decreasing due to currency fluctuations. it is given that if we look at the per capita consumption in the country, maybe the analysis of the best public consumption means that

production is something else. a fifth of that production is as intense as you say. we have a fifth of that in our country. there are so many variables to discuss the intensity of energy consumption is the variable due to the decrease in the value of the dollar. in fact, we show it above. now, if we want to say it in farsi , it is more accurate. from this point of view, consumption leaders , it is better to see. if we want to talk about the issue of subsidy payment, subsidy. paying it is completely pointless except for two reasons, at least one is to preserve the purchasing power of the people, and the other is to preserve the producer's ability to produce . in different places , he pays subsidies in different ways, for what? because

american farmers lose their competitive position compared to european farmers. american pistachios should not become weak in global markets where the competition is very high. so my point is, if we want to talk about subsidy , we should talk about the fact that subsidy has no purpose, it has a method, according to the students , that is, to achieve a goal. there is something special being followed, or it should be to support the final consumer, or to support production, or both in this way . now let 's go to the payment method. there are goods that are directly supported by the final consumer. there are a series of goods that are being supported directly and indirectly through various cycles and close cycles. if we want to talk about this general version, we really cannot

give a specific answer. we have to do it case by case, for example, basically, because they are less elastic , these goods are mainly paid directly or now , which does not mean that they are directly supported or that the goods that are the driving force for a country are the driving industry. and correct his procedures, we should let's consider that the government should be

able to create transparency along the chain, if it wants to pay one rial subsidy in this chain from the beginning of the link to the end of the link , it should be able to monitor its goal well, be able to deal with its corruption well , and be able to bear its financial burden well. it has turned into a multiplicity and it should not turn into inflation in the long term, the government and our governing structure should be able to do this. now, mr. doctor, i want to raise one point, one fact, in this discussion, that we want to implement a long-term plan or a short-term plan. for a long time, we have a muzali as a subsidy , for example, it is hidden, mr. atem , it is being given to the public as a subsidy . it is not the case that the poor , the middle-aged

consume more, and the rich consume more. now, i want to say that we want to give a long-term plan . i agree with your opinion. it means that we must make structural reforms. to create transparency , we must go and monitor these discussions right before regarding the problem, there is no course, mr. he is an engineer of the logistics system and store endings. or discussions like this, well , it has been raised for 20 years, but the infrastructure has not yet been established . this is the same issue. how long should we pay this subsidy and continue to wait for this transparency system to be established? i think this is what i mentioned in the first article. what i did is that we can even get a part of this, that is, right now, the government should say, sir

, that the subsidy should be distributed in any way that is easier to access and pay, and reach the consumers. considering a border for it, yes, a threshold for it considering that from now on, fossil-fueled vehicles will not be allowed to come , we are still producing them, i mean, i want to produce them, mr. engineer. in this

short term, how many hemats do we have for something? now, i don't have the statistics. now here, i think it should be at least 70 hemats per year. the discussion of this difference in the amount of fuel is at least something that is in my mind now, but how long should this payment be, and this is still the case. price increase and all these things we are worried about and price increase let's not touch the fuel and this is for the long term. yes, your statement is correct, but in the short term, what should we think about now , what should we do? even the private sector, which you actually have elites in anyway, we cannot impose the cost of inefficiency in governance , tell the people, sir, because, for example, the high-ranking people are consuming cheap chicken, so i will make the chicken more expensive so that the high-ranking people do not eat cheap chicken. this is your mistake

if you really have a correct governance system in balashahri, you don't pay the tax . you don't pay the subsidy to his account , there is no problem with us, i am a chicken, the same chicken that the public consumes, if we come and impose inefficiency in governance to the people in the form of inflation and price increase, and then we want to pay an amount in the form of a cash subsidy. during my 10 years, these cash assistants, of course, i don't agree with cash at all , but i don't agree with you that it can't be in the form of ashkan , if we set up the national credit system, if we set up the store system, the store terminal system, and the freight system. we were able to perform it. when was it completely observed? what is it actually doing along the chain ? this is when it becomes a proper infrastructure for us to be able to talk about subsidies, subsidy payments , subsidy payment systems, policy packages, subsidy payment policies. pay in cash

, pay non-cash goods to the final consumer or give to the first of the chain . my question is one point , sir. i would like to point out to you that because of race , we have the rich and the poor alike. subsidies are used. the exact question of our program is that we should pay the subsidy towards the final consumer, or for the same chicken that you gave as an example. if we want to discuss it as an example or pay this subsidy in the chain , i can make a table. let me show you, with a very simple logic, i can serve you if the camera has this table. ok, i have written some numbers of the method. we can discuss this with each other. suppose a product with 6 rings, 5 rings, and 56 rings is actually produced and there are 56 rings along the production chain. if i in the upper line, consider that at the beginning of the circle, 20

units of cost are actually spent on the production of a product. i want to pay 100 riyal units to that first ring, finally 120 units and these 20 units, you know that in each ring 20% ​​profit is actually transferred to the next ring of the producer who is in the first ring with 20 % the profit of the product transfers the semi-finished or incomplete product to the next link, in the same way, the next link sends a complete product to the next link at the end of this chain with 20% added value. you have finished with 50 rials, if i have 100 rials i want to give the riyal subsidy at the beginning of the ring. i want to give it at the end of the ring. here it is 120 with 20% to the next ring. 144 to the next ring will reach 173 .

if you want to pay 100 riyal units, the final price for the consumer will be 200 to 50. at the same time , the consumer's purchasing power has decreased by a quarter, so you have to contribute the amount of your riyal product to the consumer to maintain his purchasing power. mr. doctor , look at my experience we were saying that the width is 422, we are saying that we are going to bring it, that is, the same 100 tomans that you mentioned, the 100 units that you are saying, we came and reduced it to the preferred width , and finally, how many chickens would arrive, we were looking at the world price with the price that exists the price of free land was reaching the people, yes, it didn't make a difference, because we can't properly monitor that chain and those links , we don't have the necessary transparency

. this discussion will make this chain and these different rings clear but we know the truth, in the end, we have the same hundred units, we will give it to the first one, but the same 300 units are getting to the ninth one. the first discussion, which is the result of the special function of the preliminary, what does it mean if you gave the subsidy to the chain, it must be protected and protected, and in fact , your supervision must be maintained. you may give me the subsidy , but it doesn't reach the end of the good chain. this is a complete discussion . i say that we have the situation . it is not the reason why the principle of the policy is wrong. inefficiency should be compensated. supervision should be established. in fact, what needs to be done should be done right. this order of mr. belenjad has been completed the sentence about his order. the answer to them is, in fact, they say, sir, if we want it, we give it to the chicken, the chicken is reaching the people at the world price. this statement may be true, but the question

is, if you take away the value, are you sure that it will remain at the world price, three times the world price? people can't see, now you don't see the motorcycle that you didn't see, it's available to people at the world price . then they said, sir, this is mineral water, why do we have that water? it doesn't work any more. why is it so expensive ? now it's a part of it, now it's a part of itself, now i mean, why not at all, the price has increased a lot, for example, 6 times, for example, when it becomes 6 times , it's a different issue. we say, sir , what is this? what the hell is that water, whatever we call it, sir, i have 30 cents, i mean those bottles that

it says, sir, the price of this water now is 17 thousand tomans , not 6 thousand tomans, then it will be the same in the domestic market. pistachio pistachio, which has all internal institutions , can be sold at a reasonable price when it is at the border the cost of the opportunity is the cost of the opportunity. in the tehran market, it is sold at the border price . let me tell you, look at what happened. now in many countries, you say that they give the subsidy to the producer. there is a plan for executive work. we also had a price reduction in many products, not because of the subsidies

they give, but because of the program they have for scaled production . this is happening because this is a colony the little ones that we now call chickens. the size of several million pieces may be produced in its own period, and finally the cost will be high , the price will be competitive, it can be exported, it can become the largest producer in the region , that's where our problem lies. we can take the subsidy and give it to production, but can we give the same input that we gave to the chicken farmer

? it means that we are still buying this at a free price the chicken is in the market. well, just before you start your orders, if you agree , prepare a report for colleagues in the market group of the sed and cima news agency . let's go back and follow up on our discussion . that amount does not serve the purpose and when it is not used for its purpose of buying basic goods , it creates an inflationary burden for the country. mr. atollah hashemi, president of the national foundation of wheat farmers, if our monitoring systems are accurate and controlled, when subsidies are given to producers, the final price of goods decreases and people's purchasing power increases. mr. qasim peshour, head of the chamber of agricultural guilds

of iran, when subsidies are given directly to the people , liquidity increases and causes inflation, and the extra money that reaches the people is not spent on basic goods, but if subsidies are given to production, inflation and liquidity growth decreases. mr. majid qadiri, head of the animal feed and poultry industry association , experience in recent years has shown that wherever producers have been subsidized, the people have not been able to get the products at the approved price , so the people should be subsidized. to be mr. habib asadollahnejad, an economic expert , in the current situation, the subsidy given to the production sector, especially the import of institutions , does not reach the lower deciles, and the upper deciles use the subsidy. this is in the context of the government's goal of subsidizing the lower deciles. mr. morteza zamanian, an economic expert, subsidies paid by the government, welfare goals for

the poor. society, but if we give subsidies to producers or goods, rich people will benefit from it. yes , we saw the report of mohammad elhari together, mr. hassan khani, one point, now about the chicken we talked about the rest of the goods, for example , milk powder, we saw it a while ago , once it was for importers, now it is for the national code , which one do you think is better ? milk, milk powder, naturally, for this story, the population should be supported, in fact, the population increase, and naturally, it seems to me that this support should be given to the whole society, and it is true, when it is confirmed that the target has been hit, then we are a joke. we do not have any national code for children younger than, for example, 2 years or 3 years old, so diet formula

or milk powder is actually medical. it is paid, and this is a point that when you want to talk about subsidy and subsidy payment , you want to talk about subsidy payment policy , you are faced with a huge literature. i want to tell you a real joke. mr. trump was the president of america under the pretext of supporting american manufacturers , sanctions against one of the largest partners and friends with the american economy than germany. in europe, germany is the first economic partner of america . they imposed a tariff on imports from germany. he sanctioned the germans in some way and punished them. on what pretext, under the pretext of paying subsidies for production in america, i want to say that when we talk about the policy of paying subsidies

, we have a very wide range of policies, which includes the sanction itself sometimes. some countries embargo other countries because of supporting their domestic production. afghanistan, in order to support its domestic agriculture , closes its eyes to us like herman. to create an artificial reality, we have to many of these spectrums let's look at different actions , different policies, policy packages. differently, comparing in this way, i dare not believe it. see, i said this , let's consider the current conditions of our country. it cannot be said as a

national treasure.