[000:00:00;00] are seeking to include the elected member of the supreme council of provinces into the composition of the supreme council of architecture and urban planning. this will mean the possibility of increasing the density of selling and selling violations and worsening the order of urban development in cities. abbas helvaizadeh, deputy technical and civil engineer of qom municipality. considering that every year the tasks of the municipal organization increase , the revenue sources of this organization are useful. however , due to the stagnation of income that occurs in cities , the cash income of municipalities also decreases, and the cost of converting non-cash income into cash for municipalities decreases. therefore it is necessary the powers of municipalities should be developed in the 7th plan. hamid reza janbaz, former ceo of water engineering and fazel water company. regarding handing over the responsibility of urban water distribution to municipalities, integrated water management should not be sacrificed to urban management, and i believe that considering the climate of iran, it is not in the best interest of the country to

give this responsibility to municipalities. if this responsibility is given to the municipalities , it will definitely harm the country's water management and water distribution in the cities. yes , we also saw and heard the report of sheng charggar's affair. if you are interested, follow this debate until the end . please watch us on the news channel. thank you. you are with the higher debate , i want to start with mr. buchani and this question, basically , when we talk about transferring the powers of the government to the municipalities, and you agree with this issue , what powers should be transferred and your reasons for agreeing to this issue. what is it, in the name of the merciful lord, i say

hello to all the dear viewers and his excellency, as well as to mr. dr. saleh, whom i serve, the issue of assigning tenures to the urban administrations in iran is also emanated from the constitution, especially in the seventh chapter of the constitution and it also originates from the law of the council it is also derived from the rules of the program from the third program. even the draft of the 7th plan, which of course has already been finalized and is now being finalized in the guardian council, this concern is always one of the most important issues, but which of the duties and responsibilities of the government should be brought to the urban management complex in

let's leave the country, first of all, let me point out that it is a function of several processes, we have about 1400 cities in the country, and out of these 1400 cities, more than 40 of our cities, more than 50% of the country's urban population , settle in themselves, if we manage a the cloth within these 40 cities as an initial test and as a trial period, we can realistically and seriously analyze the strengths and weaknesses as well as the opportunities and threats . what is very important is the fact that the basis of the general policies of the system communicated

by the supreme leader in the field of housing, in the field of urban development , in the field of land development, in the field of non-active defense and in other fields, the issue of decentralization is one of the key and very important principles in these general policies, regardless of governments. which government we want to name due to various reasons regarding the issue of handing over the holdings to municipalities always because they are municipalities . seriously, in the executive branch , this progressive mission has never been included in the agenda of the executive branch, and the bill has not been passed from the government to the parliament . i mean the municipalities of provincial centers and big cities, because i have discussions about small towns and medium-sized cities that

i will continue to discuss. our payment today is the urban management super-crisis from the humble perspective that i am an expert and have been involved in this issue for about twenty years, both in the university and in i know that this division of urban management and the fragmentation of the budget plan of the structures has basically caused a decrease in the efficiency of the urban management system, and with this model, our city is a civilizing city and a city that can become a driving engine and driver of national development. we will not interfere and this model of ours will face serious damage. mr. salari, what is your opinion about the reason for your opposition to handing over the authority of the government to the municipality and the discussion we are having about the management of a

single urban fabric that mr. pushani mentioned ? i am sending greetings to the dear viewers. your excellency, mr dr. buchani, dear teacher, and i wish you acceptance. the officials who are each in one position, in fact , you mentioned , have a series of views, and you can see that the person who is in the position of the municipality has a different view, and the person who is in charge of the budget organization has a different view. a person who was a former member of the tehran city council has one point of view, in other words , the plurality of points of view shows that we are on the side of a single phenomenon, and that single phenomenon seems

to have no consensus on its understanding. see, i design the problem like this and answer your question . basically, the issue of concentration and distribution of power the product. the processes of human development are in the way societies are governed, i.e. the more societies progress, the more complex they become, urbanization has increased, the population has increased, the economy has become more complex, and the processes have become more complex, according to that, humans have tried to find solutions, mechanisms, processes , and institutions. make sure that those institutions can respond to the needs and demands of that society. so what is our problem today? our problem is that we are on the side of a very bold phenomenon called massive migration to cities , which constitutes a significant amount of iran's population and cities, and these cities have problems.

they are abundant. for example, let me give the example of big cities, they have traffic problems, they have congestion problems, they have the problem of operating beyond the biological capacity, they have the problem of social damage, they have the problem of inequality, the problem of dilapidated fabric, they have the problem of housing , there are all kinds of economic problems, these are the least priority issues. if you do a survey on public opinion right now, they will point to all of these things, very well, if these are the issues, all these interactions that we call distribution of power should be in my hands, should it be in your hands, should it be in the hands of the government, the government said this in the third plan. leaves them in the fourth program did not happen. the fifth did not happen. sixth, it didn't happen. seventh, it probably didn't happen. in fact, the problem is that we want to see what kind of mechanism can finally solve the problems of cities and big cities

. this is our key issue. now, i am coming from this point of view. let's give the authority to the government now , let's reduce the authority of the government , let's give it to the municipality. what powers does the municipality have today? i argue and prove that this issue should be looked at from another angle. according to the law and based on the historical background that it has had in the last 100 years, the municipality is built to be a place with more than 100 to about 150 income codes. he should take the tolls from the citizens who live in that city, bring them to the city fund , enrich it in that fund, enrich it, spend some of it himself, and

return a significant amount of it to the society in the form of open explanation, what does it mean in the form of goods? what does public goods mean? what does garbage collection mean ? what does infrastructure mean? what does public transportation mean? green space means water. and other issues , well, it was built to do this over time, when you look at it, especially from the last two years, that is, from the 1960s, when the issue of financing municipalities changed, from then on, the situation will be fundamentally different, that is, a new situation will prevail. it has nothing to do with this municipality and the previous municipality, and we have reached this point where we have to sell the city, the underground and the sky of the city, finance it, and then we can procure and produce public goods and supply them and return them to the urban society of tehran, mr. bokani , obviously, if he comes again. let's go back to our previous question if we want to open up to the readers that if these powers are to be handed over, what powers

should the city and municipality have so that the management of one fabric that you mentioned can be done better. the planning system in iran should be formed in such a way that we seek to realize our vision within the framework. the constitution to become a progressive country and a development-oriented country , i say with certainty and confidence based on the understanding and knowledge that exists from the world experience and also the knowledge of the rights that in this context, there is the decentralization and handing over of enterprises as a background and a

very necessary and necessary context . without division of national and local work, we cannot address our key missions to solve problems. the first and most important issue that i want to ask and explain, forgive me, who is really the manager of our cities, who is the manager of our city now, who is the manager of kirwan city , who is the manager of tehran city? i can assure you that we basically lack a manager, that is, the mayor of tehran is responsible for a part of the city's services, water and electricity. gas, telecommunication, education, health care , other missions, none. even in no institution

, these programs cannot be unified. basically, in this division, in this fragmentation, in this sectionalism , the problem of the city is lost, and each of you, from her own woman , does things for the city that she thinks are the first priority. while the existence of the first most important issue of managing a piece of fabric is a tear in the program. there is a split in the budgeting system , that is, you have to say that these are the plans for 1403 cities in tehran, and then an institution should approve this. let them say that the comprehensive plans have the mission of advancing the missions of the executive bodies. i will tell you today that it is mainly a community plan, especially local and thematic plans under the community plan, which

has tasks for the institutions, from the ministry of health, the ministry of education, i don't know, the ministry of communications, all the institutions they are going to forget about their missions , that is, they are involved in the administrative issue of the city, in those devices, they are completely forgotten, that is, you are facing a city in the current situation, after almost 5 decades since the revolution, whose city manager is still known. the plan of the city is not defined, the budget of the whole city is not known to the people the manager knows you by now, we have finally established city councils based on article 7 and chapter 7 of the constitution , with a delay of 20 years, but now the city council is not the reality of the municipal council, and it is not even in the place of the municipal council. we have reduced the severity of the point. the next thing i want to point out is that for many years this

was firstly in the first law of our municipalities , which is derived from the countries and capitals and especially the big cities of the world . look at the first law of 1353. please see the full version. look at the 1332 full management. there is a piece of cloth in there the municipality says that the health of the city is under the supervision of the city police . in the matter of telecommunications, water, gas, and even in those laws, he mentions that as i am talking to you today, we are approximately between 3 and 4 thousand billion tomans. if the citizen doesn't use those rights and doesn't pay the price of the services, deprive him of your other services, but now that those devices are out of the municipality

, the municipality can't do anything anymore, and the reality is that basically this issue is the management of an urban fabric in the world or one thing is very obvious and clear , mr. salari, how much do you agree that water and electricity? i don't know whether the health police should come under the municipalities, a specific budget program should be determined for the cities, or basically , i will ask you the question of mr. buchani, who is the city manager in your opinion now? in the previous section. to reach a point, i think it is necessary . i think that today's main problem or challenge is not a lack of coordination. in my opinion, the first degree culprit in the current situation of our big cities is the

financing and administration model of the cities . let me tell you that we are a study i did it myself in the last 30 years in the big cities , that is, i extracted the revenue codes of the municipalities . we all have revenue codes. you know that we have about 100 to 150 revenue codes . some of them are active, some of them are not active, but when you put them together. if you look at the 30-year trend, you will see that between 70 and 85 of the income codes of our big cities are due to the codes related to the real estate sector, the land and the body of the city, so it is between 70 and 80. another notable item is a section that was recently added to the value added law

you can see that a share is given to the cities as a result of the consumption tax or the commodity tax, which is called value added. which depends on the population because it actually has some approvals, i think this year it was 4 and a small deduction under the title of sustainable incomes , which are called the incomes of your four codes in the municipality, if i calculated two models , i calculated one model that the money that the government it is taken from the people as a result of consumption. let's remove it from the model. let's say that because we have no role in it, the government takes it from the people and gives it to us. remove this from the department. related to the income codes of properties and independents and that related thing you can also take it out to the city body. finally , in the best case, the municipal income is 788% and even less, less than 5% of the income

is sustainable. what does sustainable income mean, which is an income that is continuous and not too toxic? you can see the area of ​​density and all this is caused by this income model. the plan, budget and budgeting of urban management , water and electricity, gas, health and police should all be under the municipality. you are against this , it will not solve this problem, this problem will not solve tehran today. look at the problem of tehran today, if we are seven or eight. i will give an example of the issue of tehran or , for example, karaj or shiraz and isfahan. the problem is that there are several things. one is that yes, i am against it . pak darim, the state

of social damages, the state of explaining the distribution model of services per capita, the state of inequality distribution, the state of worn-out fabric , the state of urban sustainability. the state of resilience against issues such as earthquakes and other damages that exist, the social state of our cities in the world economy, the economic state of the distribution model in in our cultural and social reality, these are the main issues of our cities, even if these are the main issues of our cities , we mostly agree on these, but we disagree on the prioritization of these. well, the question is, for these, we first need a structure, we need a model, we need financial resources, we need what we need to be able to do this, i will talk about this in detail in the next section . mr. buchani, do you think that if these powers are given that you mentioned, the challenges mentioned by mr. salari

will be solved or not? basically, you agree with this, mr. you are a leader who does not heal a pain. look, i dare to point out this point . for example, the problem of pollution is the first problem of our big cities. i can tell you seriously and with certainty that this is a sign of your knowledge of shahreh news and not of technical and scientific knowledge . we take away from it, it goes back to automobile policies and the centrality of our urban planning system , that is, if our urban planning system is based on automobile design. basically, with this phenomenon

, these are the product of another crisis, these are the result of other crises in our urban planning system, although both of these and other issues such as pervasive urban poverty and inequality, well, assuming that, for example, if you have a management structure if the fabric of our city is not the same, will those issues be resolved? i am sure, i will tell you if it was resolved. general global experience and general human experience for megacities and large cities have obviously gone towards the management of an urban fabric, your management from these cities in istanbul, ankara , to cities like tokyo, london, paris, even the cities of many islamic countries that we are facing today are the main shahreh and all the devices you see. we finally accept water, electricity,

gas, telecommunications and these missions are also a kind of service to other citizens. just like the green spaces, for example , these services are not more difficult than the subway, which is more complicated. i can tell you with certainty that we have entrusted the missions to the municipalities , now our situation is better in the ranking indicators of our cities. it means that we could not hand over the green spaces of the cities to the municipalities from the beginning of 1952, but according to the law we have entrusted the maintenance of gardens and green spaces to the municipalities, and today our per capita green spaces in cities are among the advanced urban indicators in the world, a brilliant indicator, our metro index is a brilliant indicator. we used to say that this is a matter of sovereignty, but today you know. if this authority was not in the hands of the municipalities, this mission is the reality of the government having to spend

a lot of money. basically, the work of the government consists of policy making, facilitating and leading the city government when it forms the people when they choose the city management. when the city administration elects the mayor , it should leave the city to ask him questions and not the province or even the small cities. after all

, how many rials or hamat do we spend every year because the agencies are acting so fragmentedly? in one place, these things do not come together. in your structure, the city lacks priority. when the city lacks priority, every organization thinks that its own program is the priority, and finally, we have to accept this fact. we are a country. under the sanctions, our economic resources are very limited, we must use our economic resources in the best way. in such a situation, when our executive bodies , each of us comes from his own woman to plan for the city , while the efficiency of our city administration is greatly reduced, our priorities are also lost . i dare to add this point , the reality is that the basis of realizing the management of a party. and assigning missions to municipalities should be hierarchical, that is, it is not the case that we decided to

assign tasks to 1,400 cities in the first cities . i just have this question for you to answer me very briefly mr. salari pointed out to him that priority is given to the problem of congestion, environment, traffic, etc. , you did not accept the management of one thing , no , not at all. two months ago, in the capital magazine of urban management, which is published in english, about 160 executive directors of the country were asked what they know about the urban management super crisis in iran, and who is the owner of the city? thank you mr. salari, i am at your service

i will tell you about their service department and you will forgive me. can you answer their questions , who do you think should be the city manager first? i will definitely answer this. see a comparative comparison between here, for example , with france and switzerland or something. this actually does not solve many problems. basically, the model of explaining power in different societies is the meaning of who is the government leader, where is he, for example, is the mayor of tehran, is he the police chief, is he the mayor of tehran. he can collect taxes. the mayor of tehran is the ruler of the city of tehran, which means someone who governs or not. today's mayor of tehran is an individual with the same coordinates of these two in different societies. it is definitely different. what can the mayor of paris or, for example, the city council of paris do? he can collect taxes, he can change the tax rate, he can

set tolls, but here we don't have anything like that. basically, the taxes that are collected by the government are what the city administration does in the tolls department. now, it also has certain limitations, and therefore this comparison shows that the problem has not been well seen. this is the first point. the second point is not that it is a structural problem or a coordination problem . for example, correct the sound and television we tried to solve the news issue. we fixed the tax administration, we fixed the tax issue , we fixed the municipality , we fixed the city issue, we fixed the university , we fixed the science issue, this is a series of these things that have been put on the ground throughout history in the 3rd decade, the 4th decade, the 5th decade , the 6th decade. sitting has some exits, this is what i mean . today

, we have to read again about the philosophy of these institutions and see the two municipal councils. where is the government and any institution, any structure, any process in solving the problem of the mass of the people? and the problems of the city of tehran, where is the starting point ? this is one point, so the issue is not whether we should fix the structure first or do it all. colton, in your opinion , it is not the beginning of solving these challenges. we fixed it, named it council and municipality, let's reread it once more to see where it stands today from the point of view of the masses of people, from the point of view of academic elites, from the point of view of world developments, where tehran stands in solving the problem of the city of tehran. no, i was rooting i tried to bring the discussion

to a good place. you see, in the same study i did , there is a 30-year trend caused by the incomes of the real estate sector . in other words, for example, 70-80 % of the expenses of a metropolis of 10-12 million are paid by a few thousand people who created the problem. the few thousand people whose problem is the construction of the structure may be 5,000 or 10,000 people depending on the number of permits that are issued . in terms of economics, their utility , their desirability is to have the maximum profit from the property and housing, and they have it in tehran, so the primary problem and target of those who are

paying for tehran is this, but