major reforms in the budget structure should also be carried out . most of the items of the seventh plan bill have been approved by the guardian council after several stages of going back and forth between the parliament and the guardian council. according to the announcement of the planning and budget organization, only 56 items remain that need to be amended in the view of the guardian council. yes, but with the insistence of the parliament to approve these matters, the bill of the 7th plan is now awaiting approval. it is final in the expediency of the system tonight in the special news interview of mr. dr. masoud bizikian, one of the six candidates of the 14th presidential election cycle , is with us in the studio. let's go with this introduction i would like to say goodbye to the esteemed viewers of one sima channel and invite you to join us for the beginning of this conversation on khabar channel.

thank you very much for being with us on the news channel, as i mentioned, mr. dr. masoud meschikan, one of the six candidates of the 14th election cycle. the republic is in the studio of vijeh news talk, i greet you, mr. dr. bizikian , and welcome to the national media of wijeh news talk , in the name of allah, the most merciful, with peace to the pure soul of the founder of the revolution of the islamic republic, with the memory of our martyrs, at your service, dear viewers and all the dear people of our country. i say hello and i hope god bless you as much as possible. to be able

to serve our beloved people. greetings to you, mr. doctor, who we mentioned in the introduction of tonight's special news interview to the seventh program , his back and forth between the guardian council of the islamic council and what he has gone through so far. the first year of the 12th parliament is the first year of the 14th government and of course the first year of the implementation of the seventh plan. let's start the first step of tonight's conversation from here, what is the position of the seventh in your government? in the registration process when we went there for the presidency, we talked for 5 minutes. it was that we are not going to write a new program. we are not going to announce a new policy in the country. the general policies of the supreme leader are clear and final. what the honorable government

has done in the past based on expertise has become a law and continues in these ups and downs, and naturally, any government that wants to come must implement the written program in the direction of those general policies, if we can do this. in principle, we should not delay most of our plans while we are at your service and talking to each other. ok, or to the perspective that the supreme leader specified we were supposed to be the first, we were supposed to eliminate the poor, this all shows to justice that we could not implement that goal and those policies. as a result, if one day we have the executive system at our disposal, our priority will definitely be to go to it is the side of general policies and the implementation of programs that lead us there. can you tell me what

measures you have planned so that what you are referring to, the 7th plan , becomes the main plan of the government, well, usually , when governments announce plans , expert work has definitely been done to achieve those plans. that is, when the government came, it gave a plan , it must be supported by such a plan, both in terms of resources and in terms of resources. in terms of human resources , the necessary forecasts should be made, which has come and given a plan. our task is not to plan to do that again. the duty is to design this program that the government has given to the parliament with expert work to implement, definitely, the necessary arrangements, the method, the program in such a way that it can bring us to that goal. the first step is to continue the direction that the government has taken and those programs. let's try it right

and implement it on time, if in the evaluations that may be formed in the future and one sees that this program or the forces that exist there may have shortcomings in terms of implementation, reforms should be made along the way, otherwise, basically, any bill that the government the parliament presents before presenting this bill, basically, experts sit down and check based on the resources they have, based on the capabilities they have in terms of human resources and based on the predictions they have to make between the law. going to the parliament and finally moving on. we have to face the problem usually, we have in governments and we have in the change of administrations, one of the most basic problems is that anyone who comes to a program changes the path and chooses another path .

it is the responsibility of the person who changes and replaces that person to continue on the path that has been determined. if that way is inappropriate, then the expert meeting should be conducted again, and if the way is appropriate, it is necessary for us to write another program and ask for all that expertise. let's leave aside a new program that is logically and scientifically unrelated. there is a verse in the quran that says that if you violate my sonnets, then don't be like that old woman . after a while, they say no , i don't like it, string it, weave it again , the policy has been drawn, it is clear that the executives' duty is to implement the paths that should lead us to those goals, as a result, we need to sit again and write a program for this program.

it is possible that the whole program will be changed, mr. medical doctor, you mentioned one thing between your talks if there are any corrections on the way, these corrections should be identified. expert work and of course the final reforms should also be done. let's look at the possible contradictions of the 7th plan with your government's plans or what you are referring to. if it is a policy, then it should be corrected, but if this program is in the direction of that policy, naturally , the implementation of this program should be continued, and if this program needs to be revised in order to implement it, then the strategy that we should to get there, he implemented that strategy , usually in the systems that exist in the world

, the studies that have been done, the world bank has come to study how the governments can move towards this structure. correct the goal and be able to achieve it. what we have to do in the government is to make this government or those executives more agile in order to bring us to that goal. the corrections and experiences of seeing what has been given to the experts and the summaries that have determined 3 principles and 5 strategies mean that we are in the direction of achieving these goals. in order to be able to do this, we must observe 3 principles. these three principles are one of responsibility. one is the same way, the way this official should continue. it does not mean that i can do whatever i want when i am in charge. i have to sign a contract with me on the path that leads us to that goal, and i am obliged

to follow that path, and the third is accountability. no sovereignty, no government that has been studied in these 40 countries without. they are responsible for not being able to reach their goals. if we want our country to succeed, it should be clear who is responsible for what to do, and if not, he should come. answer me, because we have many companies now , there are 11 people in the hands of taking over the management , they are doing a great loss , we are not managing anywhere in the world to a manager who is destroying the system and is far from the goal. he does not want to manage the body very well. there are 5 strategies, one of those 5 strategies is human resource performance management, which is called personnel performance management. then one is related to the payment based on the work, that is, if the price of this glass is 10 tomans, when we

want 10 of these glasses, it will be 100 tomans. to bring these glasses and deliver them. many times we pay 100 tomans and they give back a glass. when we say why here. well, he says , we held a meeting, we worked, but it didn't work. if we talk about the changes in the administrative system or in the changes that we want to achieve that goal , we will pay those human forces based on their performance, not based on the working day , it will make it easier for us. to achieve that goal , it means to make a payment that will bring us to that goal, one is to give authority, that is, we must give authority so that they can do this, but now that authority is limited to privatization or discussions. which is even in the general policies of the supreme leader, to make it small, hand over and discuss the fourth month of these strategies, state contract means a type of contract, they make a contract that we

give this service, this goal, to that working group , when it does that, we do we give him that money or is it performance management? if we want to correct this process, there must be fundamental changes in the way the work is carried out among the human forces. now , no one accepts any responsibility . we change the manager. those who don't know about the plan, don't implement the plan, go the other way. work that should be done by governance, any manager who wants to accept the responsibility, should accept it in principle, it will lead us to that goal. if he couldn't make it, he should come and answer. we have many managers who not only do not make us reach that goal, they make it worse, they take extraordinary management, then i say we are the boss. fundamental reforms, fundamental changes in the type of encounter. it should be formed with the managers, because we could not

achieve the goal of many of the programs, the sixth program that was evaluated by the inspector general of the country, they say that 30% does not reach 25 in many places. the people who were there didn't know about the program, they didn't follow the policy , they didn't have the skill or knowledge to do this, that is, this set of factors caused us to not change our path, we shouldn't lose the goal, but anyone who does this he accepts the responsibility, he must be accountable, that he can bring the system to that goal in the position he is in. mr. dr. mezikin , you just mentioned the sixth development plan and the 30 % that has been implemented. . seventh , the main goals and plans that you consider in your government, to realize them, the general goal

and now the main priority of the 7th plan is the issue of economic progress with the issue of justice with an average economic growth rate of 8. what is the plan of his highness in your government to realize this section of the important goals of the 7th plan? well, look at what i just said about exploitation, it comes back to whether there is accountability for the work or not , we have spent money in our own budgeting system. we declare the name of the function as cost i paid 100 tomans for two glasses that should cost 10 tomans. the government announced that we spent 100 tomans for two glasses. we

have health in the work process, which is no different from the others . let's say that in medicine, well, in the economy of companies, this is also the case. 10 classes , for example, i will go to 2 classes a day, do management work , give 2 essays, and if i do this, then i will say 100 to 500 exercises, for example , 100 to 150 exercises must be difficult about 20,205 average operations, and then when you sign a contract with me that i have to do this work, tell me if you do this work, we will pay you, for example , 100,100 million tomans , we will pay a billion money, but if i don't do it, i shouldn't have this money. they specify the price of the product, the price of the service , sign a contract with me , and pay me for the specified price.

i will get paid whether i work now or not. that one should work 100 times, this one should do nothing, we will get the same salary together. so that we don't modify our payment mechanism, between the one who works and the one who doesn't it doesn't work, we don't care, we don't have the possibility to fix the usage. we even came to the parliament, brothers, they were discussing about the legal mechanisms to put a floor and ceiling. i told those dear ones, the so-called affairs organization of the country's employment department, from the point of view of belief, god says that the action

of the activities is the responsibility of the human forces. in that direction, it is possible to work and answer, otherwise it is not possible, this is also time-consuming, we must meet with the troops, train them and correct their behavior , this is something that if this work and the next discussion is about justice, because it is one of the most important issues in the country. we are lost and not. we talk about justice, but we never give the correct share of deprived areas , we don't pay rightly in terms of human resources, we don't pay rightly in terms of space, equipment and facilities, look at our borders, khuzstano, look at oil and gas and water are all there, go to the village, water

is a problem in many places, work is a problem, the space means that we should do this without spending money, sistan baluchistan is like this, kurdistan is like this, that is, let's look at the justice that we are talking about, there is nothing of it in the field of action , they are all around tehran. they can if in general policies of the supreme leader to prevent disproportionate development and transfer forces to areas where there is a balance between resources and expenses and a future. you can see ahead. in my opinion, tehran , our big cities , will one day have a severe problem due to lack of water. how come we have found reforms , we have completely destroyed the environment there, we are destroying the living conditions there and we are making it worse day by day. the result of what should be done based on those general policies

is the performance management of human resources, payment based on performance. and the contract with the troops is based on there is another important issue with the working contract . in my opinion, if we do not fix this , it is not possible to fix it at all, and that is that if our internal customers are unhappy , if we give them the best programs, we will not be able to reach the goal. our internal customers are the same employees and personnel. it doesn't matter if they want to work for us or to bring us to that goal. our customer, this customer must be satisfied that he can serve the external customer and satisfy him, and when my customer is not satisfied , when he cannot rent his house with the money that i give to this customer, he cannot live with it. let it pass and then there is a lot of financial pressure, he expects that he will be able to do the rest of the work for you, it is impossible, that is, we should look

first at the forces we have in the system, teacher , we have to do something so that our internal customers are satisfied so that this customer of ours is satisfied. serve the external customer who comes to us or us. there is a lot of dissatisfaction among the administrative, corporate, hospital and other personnel. in my opinion, the most important thing is to reach them first so that they can reach the people or work for us

to reach our goal. mr. adalat ro medical doctor raised now, the plans you have in this area , you mentioned the important issue of increasing the productivity of labor organization and what is involved in this issue and area, but economic growth in the areas that are considered important areas of the country such as industry agriculture and the realization of numbers and figures mentioned in the seventh plan , the plans of his highness's government in this area in order to have an impact on the area. you see, economics is a vast science based on the opinion of experts and those who exist if we want. to achieve growth, we have to invest without capital investment does not create employment or increase production . for this investment, it depends on

what area of ​​the market we see, we only see the country or the region , the more open our vision is, then it is natural to invest we see more market and our production increases and that growth is possible if we want to reach that growth. in my opinion, we need to do two basic things , which have been seen in general policies. the first step is to involve the people and bring all the people to the stage in the economy and break the ice of this difference between the government and the people. we now have a gap between the people and the government. we have to keep the people in the scene . our people are going out and the funds that are going out of the country. the first step is to do something. this is not the case. these forces must work for us. they can lead us to that growth

. when we lose our human resources, the capital that he can either invest in our country , leave here, or keep his resources and money at home and not enter the market, and this is because of the lack of trust they have towards us and the lack of proper communication. we are with these people. from this point of view, the possibility of us reaching it is impossible to access, on the other hand , the markets of the region, in the general policies of the supreme leader, joint investment between the countries of the region and iran must be formed. for this investment , there must be satisfaction or security in the investment. let him come and invest in this country. we cannot change the laws of the creation and the decisions of the creation and the changes of the manager. stability in legislation , stability in decision-making, stability in dealing with

producers, respect for those who are able to do something in this elite country, and attention to those thoughts and ideas of theirs are respect for those who can produce and are producing, removing obstacles from the way, if we can do this , then we can not do this. we won't get there, when we could attract the capitalist and the investor , let them trust that our path is established , it is not like this, when i change, the manager will change direction, and then we will see the investment he made , we will write a law, we will tell him. work in the free zone, we will give you these facilities, a council another law is coming, he will write another law, he says , "you have seen this nonsense, when there is instability, domestic investment is formed with doubts , why capital is leaving the country

because they do not know what to do with us, this is my service." you say that we should follow the same path , we are not going to change the path, so that finally the people and those who live with us should know that there is stability in the country's legislation and general policies, which means stability. the program means to bring us to that stability. when they change it in the middle, they change the direction they change the strategy, they give a directive every day , well, of course, we don't want tunisia to reach those goals, to reach the growth that the supreme leader is now aiming to achieve, respect for experts , respect for the elite, respect for the producer, respect for business is in the framework of the issues. scientific and bachelor's degree without science without bachelor's degree. without knowledge , without having any people that i like, i will remove this manager because

he is not obedient to me. listen, i have to listen to what he has to say. this is something that, if we think about it correctly, can lead us to that goal. can investment and strengthening of this sector make the negative performance of investment positive at the time it is being considered? our plans are the same as the government's plans, we need to change our view. i have to reconcile with people. i have a kind of system, our managers should see the people as the capital of this country, the general policy that the supreme leader, even this program, is the slogan of the year. supreme leader. what was the year of having the production with the participation of the people? if not, then if we are going to give the people with your participation, it can be done with a limited view with some people who only.

they see themselves far away, it attracted people, their participation in these scenes was implemented and operationalized . it is impossible when we can create a partnership when we let them express themselves freely and they are sure that we can achieve those goals with them. yes, you can get there with the people, with the producers , the people, when i talk about the people, it is the elite that is fleeing the country, that capital. he said that he is letting go because of our behavior. if we are the government , we will kiss them and ask them to stay . if they stay and invest , we will create jobs. we will create economic growth if this is the case . as elites, we can solve the problem of our country. it is not possible

to take the country to the place where we need to go with non-elite people, people with low education and no experience. who have the skill of science, the motivation to do this, and then let's respect them and want to say that they will help to continue this way . you mentioned two important issues of stability in the economic field and you moved the discussion towards production, now to establish stability in the general level of prices. the single-digit development of the exchange rate issue that we talked about, as well as the direction of liquidity towards productive activities , have been emphasized in the 7th development plan, and plans have been made for that . i didn't see the work of the expert government, so i can't judge right now. i think this is the work of the government.

he recognized that he brought this program to the parliament for approval, what we have to do next, in my opinion, is to attract participation from academics, elites , manufacturers, and those who are now in the capital market and they are producing in this country . let's try to remove the groups that exist if our regulations have created problems for them and give them authority based on the frameworks that can guide the general policies of his highness. they should move and aim for us with the same reform strategy that i have presented to you , their responsibility has acted in the direction of the plan and

accountability in that direction. it is the principles that if we go based on these principles, we should definitely be able to take us there to that goal. anyone who wants to take responsibility in the system, in my opinion, we should give them a clear recipe. many times when i talk with these brothers, who are in the religious forces in the assembly, hazrat (peace be upon him) gives a recipe to malik, says malik, go do one, two, three, four. at

that is, he should come and give a recipe, say that according to this recipe, you should do this . if the execution is going in a deviant direction, the duty of the main politician is to tell him that you are going in a deviant way and you should not do this and that. continue on this path , we don't have such supervision, we give a recipe to the person who will be responsible, we ask them for that program and policy. in the last parliament, we asked a minister why you are not implementing the program law. we have been asking this question for 2 years. it is our turn to answer this question. why do you implement the program law, sir?