bekni follows the five-year economic, social and cultural document of the 7th plan to resolve the country's conflicts . i hope that, god willing, this program will turn out in such a way that we can overcome the country's problems, god willing. the 7th plan has now been notified to the executive bodies in the form of a law in the last days of the 13th government and is binding. zahra shafiei, sada news agency. and we saw the report together on the tv, mr. drodian, hello, please tell me why the number 8, why 8 in the sixth program , we had 8%, you know where this calculation comes from, why 9 in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. i offer my condolences to you and the people of iran and the days of martyrdom of agha imam hossein, but this number 8 has been mentioned in our programs for many years

. that with the growth of 88 percent, we can reach the goals of the vision document, and the number of 8 percent is a high number, a number with a class, in any case, and if we want to compare, for example, with the growths that were finally high growths in the economies of the world , among the very good growths and it is considered very high , but the logic of this is 8. what is the percentage and from where? i think that most politicians and planners want to set a high number for economic growth, saying that my goal is a high goal for economic growth. in fact, the title of a viewer is the one who understands the matter, that he wants to set a high goal for economic growth, to determine what was in the program like the number 8 in the sixth program. what happened was actually

not the full salary of this number . in the year of our sixth plan, do you think that this number was not achieved by extending it? basically, if we want to reach the 90s , we might want to see a little bit bigger in the 90s. the conditions and situation we are in . we have many years, which means that what conditions arise during those years determines to what extent the plan will be realized. the fact that we are writing a program does not mean that we are also working on a plan, it means that, for example, now because we wrote a program for 5 years, for example in the next 5 years, we are going to take a specific path and move forward, this is not the case, in fact, the previous requirements of our economy will continue forward and if we are lucky. or the conditions

should actually help, accompany, the goals of the good program will be achieved. if it does not help, the goals will not be achieved. in fact, the volume of income does not make much difference, because production generates income , how much does it grow during the year, now this growth that does it mean real growth? it means inflation , because people may say that it will eventually grow , but this inflation is no longer the inflation you are talking about. we want to see how much it grows. it is the real income of all people in the economy, if you assume there is a cake that, for example, on your birthday, i don't know. does anyone know how much the cake will be if it's hot. there is no economy or in

in fact, if we don't understand its importance, we will have an economy where we are facing a zero-sum game, which means that if anyone wants to increase his share , he will reduce the share of others, and in fact, you will have a conflict or a conflict in your economy , and even if can you do something to improve the situation of the number, which means to improve the explanation of the income, this will be a piecemeal improvement , which means it cannot be sustained, while in reality, when the share of a few people becomes small, this is a so-called distribution dispute. it fuels and this conflict actually has bad effects and consequences economic growth is a very important variable, that is , the most important goal of an economic policy maker should be economic growth, the rest of the goals are all defined under economic growth, and finally, how much prosperity we have , how good or bad our standard of living will be depends on the rate of economic growth. how much we will be now about this 8.

if we look at the percentage, for example, in the last 10 years , in the economies of the world, in the countries of the world, the countries with good growth, of course, the big countries, because finally, when we say the countries with growth. well , we have to compare with ourselves be it big countries, small or marginal countries , for example, sometimes you may have heard their name because of us , they may be a development, but they are not considered at all in the world because of the special conditions they have in front of us, like countries like, for example, some african countries, sometimes you see they have very high growth, but this is because of the very unfavorable conditions that they had before, or some arab countries, for example, the persian gulf , you can also look at these in the last 10 years , but the growth is very high. when you look at it, it is actually a kind of development of natural resources that happened there it means that human capacity , that human capital

, the complexities that the economy should have, an economy like ours has to some extent, they are very simple. china, for example, like india, like vietnam, these are countries with high economic growth , they are big countries, they are a big nation, and it

happened last year, for example. according to the conditions we have, according to the sanctions conditions we have, if the growth that happened in these 3 years is about 4 to 5 percent, we can continue this in over the next few years, this is a sign that our economy has some traces of real revival and improvement. this goal of 80 is definitely a very ideal goal for us, the realization of which requires very new and very different requirements, compared to now. we have not reached the requirements of the 6th plan, for example, in the years that you have mentioned, some of them have not been reached. you think that there are sanctions problems, management problems, and resource problems . what

do you see? the reality is that all of these are there. sanctions had a serious effect on our economy, especially in terms of oil sales, the government has a little. the government's direction towards decline in our economy plays a very prominent role in economic growth . government expenses, whether construction expenses or even current government expenses , have a long-lasting, positive direct effect on growth. many studies have been done on this method. any factor that can reduce and weaken the government can actually have a negative effect on our economic growth if this happens . one or two years ago, we were involved in the corona virus, of course , this became more important, but after that 1400 onwards, we actually moved a little towards the start-up and operation of those capacities that were damaged due to the sanctions and due to corona , and

we showed relatively acceptable economic growth of our own in these 3 years, and this is our serious challenge. it is possible for us to see this growth, we must finally accept that this economic growth is due to some degree of economic improvement, which actually goes back to the severe decline that happened before. this is actually because in the last one or two years we were able to improve our oil sales a lot and make our conditions much better. it's worse because you can see that you can increase your oil sales from under one million to one and a half to two million even, but you can't increase it to, for example, 3 million to 4 million under even if the embargo is lifted, this is a very difficult, very difficult task. continuation of this economic growth is at the level of 4-5% that i am saying, which is good for our economy and is considered a good track record. continuation of this is difficult and needs new incentives. our oil sales cannot be much better than this

. what has happened is that it will hit a ceiling, it will open soon if we want to let's do it, because we were able to overcome that low economic growth, now you mentioned the global reasons , we talked about the corona virus, do you think if we want to be a little bit smaller? let's look more concretely at how we were able to achieve this economic growth of 45 days. the most important events that we were able to go through to reach these numbers , see what happened when you look at the leaders. well, the economic growth with our oil is higher than without our oil, that is, it is significantly higher , this shows that we were actually able to improve oil exports and sales of oil exports compared to the conditions that we had during the sanctions, and of course the peak of the sanctions, i think we were able to really turn the page a bit in our favor, that is, and this is the reflection of it, now we finally know that the exchange rate , for example, in our country is high, it is really expensive, for example, the exchange rate is 60 thousand tomans in the market. but if you look at it for a year and a half, in fact, this number has remained at the same level, while if

you look before that , it was going on a relatively steep upward path, but now it has been a year and a half, which is almost it is fixed in this number and of course fixing the loan in the long term is the right thing it is not, but i want to say that these are signs and proofs that show that our conditions have improved a little and our unemployment rate has decreased. our employees have improved a bit. in the current situation, this is considered a success in my opinion. of course , we know that our employees are not high-income employees. we have a problem with low incomes in our country. in fact , it is not that the lower deciles are necessarily unemployed, but the wages are low and the incomes are not interesting, but in any case, the overall employment situation in our country is during this time, this is another sign that the process is actually improving, so

we can consider the oil sector to be the main factor, and after that , the services sector, which were able to make a good impact. the islamic council is also on the communication line of the program, mr. zangireh. hello, the first question

i ask mr. dordian. it was a notification and there was nothing that the government or the parliament could read to change it but the fact of the matter is that we in the parliament, who have been working in various committees for six or eight months in the program , are not far from reaching the growth of 88. in addition to this 8% growth

, about 2 and 8 tenths of that or 35% of the total growth, we allocated productivity to the set of facilities of the country. in article one of the seventh plan , if you look at the article two of the seventh plan, if you look at table number one, we came there. for the first time, this growth is 88 percent. in the sense that, for example, if the oil export wants to provide its own share in that 8d per year at least we should have a 12% annual growth in oil exports, or a 23% growth in non-cash exports , or, for example, in the border sector, we should

. well, mr. zangeh, we do not have your voice very well and clearly, so colleagues should try to improve this communication. i will hang up and we will contact you again later, mr. drodian, mr. zangan mentioned that we should go into the details of this 888 even more. you mentioned

that it is considered a good number, but if we want to make it 8% what measures should the fourteenth government order? put it to work, i mentioned productivity. do you think that productivity has such a capacity now that we can calculate, for example, the 23% method to increase our economic growth? yes, in the short term, in fact, the main choice is productivity. this means that we should make better use of the capacities we have now, i mean the actual things that we actually have, for example, we are now 3 years into a story, so what a huge investment has really happened in our economy. the huge investment that didn't happen is what we have. in fact, the same wheel is turning better and more. this can definitely create and help economic growth to some extent , but in the long term, high growth definitely

requires capital formation, that is, without capital formation, when we say capital formation, it means that when you look at the economy, you see that new urban centers have been formed, buildings have been developed , mainly residential buildings, non -residential buildings, underground buildings, these have been developed, there have been a series of areas, there have been deserts, there have been dirt. a very livable, high-quality region has now been developed. this means that the main ways of creating economic growth have been experienced in the world , in china, and in different places on the persian gulf, for example, in an area that had nothing at all. the new city list created has a very high capacity for economic growth , based on what mr. romer, winner of the nobel prize, says, that we want an urban policy instead of an industrial policy for economic growth in the country, and you also need to develop your production equipment. may he recover new machinery, new equipment, in fact , new investment in these in the long term

, high economic growth definitely needs these and cannot be limited. productivity, especially for a country that has empty capacities, that is, we are a country that, after all , yes, for countries that are developed , productivity is very important for them, because they don't have much unused capacity, they should be able to use it better, but for both of us in the short term, more profit is relevant, but in the long term , capital formation is more relevant. see , when we want to talk about economic growth and policies that lead to improved economic growth. look, we have to be realistic, we ca n't overestimate our own power as a government, as a politician, we can't make slogans, this is not the place to make slogans , this is about numbers and figures, and what should happen on earth, and reality. this is that our economic policy-making apparatus does not have a very high power

, it is shown in different places and we know this and we should recommend and plan according to this power. let's do it, otherwise it will become a slogan, in my opinion, the actions that should be taken it should be done, in fact, one of the issues is that we must be able to create discounts in sanctions , that is, to create openings in the field of sanctions , and these openings should of course be effective openings, openings that lead to benefit, that is, open the discussion of taking pictures and there is no point in writing something and cooking for example. we can really export oil better, we can really do our transfers better , we can attract investment better, our business can be done more easily, we can really benefit from this , but this issue is serious, of course. different aspects, but anyway, we will not enter into that discussion, it is not our expertise, but this issue is a very important requirement for us

to create an opening in this field, that is, sustainable economic growth with high figures. under the conditions that we are in now , it is actually very difficult to realize how much we can know depending on these openings that you mentioned . i think that more than half of it depends on these openings, that is, when we look at the coordinates of our economy, the years when we were embargoed. or we compare the absence of each other. this is definitely important, but see, my point is that we are in in the case of sanctions, we should not make slogans and fantasize again , because it may also be subject to slogans, we will remove the sanctions, that's all. we should be able to try to make some specific openings, i.e. specific bad schools, to create openings that will bring the most benefit to our economic growth. in the end, even after that incident, even if you say that iran is a country under sanctions, you will say that iran is a country under sanctions. yes, that means sanctions have not been removed in

general, but we were actually able to create a few concrete openings with the other side, especially for investment in our country, and also for elementary schools that we have made clear openings on that, but it is possible that the overall framework of the embargo will remain, not that it won't exist, which means that the removal of the embargo in the short term will definitely require high-level military security privileges, otherwise, you will have to go to a series of specific bad schools, which will finally be red lines. it should be observed on the other side, create some openings , this is more realistic, in terms of what area do you think this can be achieved, see the main area that should happen here, this is the main event that we can finally produce a country. producer and exporter of raw goods and we are semi-raw and the content of natural resources is very high. we must be able to export these goods

. the basis of our economy is that we can export these to the outside, and from the other side, well, the soft economy that we import means that we export these goods. well, an economic construction is almost simple and it is very acceptable to embargo, of course, and the embargo is actually happening because of this, but our main concern is that the freedom we create as a result of this export should naturally be to countries that buy our products. they want one but at the same time what we want i want them to see. when it is said, for example, that we can export so much to neighboring countries, while the neighboring countries do not have what we want, see , our main problem is that we need to export to investor countries, that is, to be able to create a trade surplus there. ideally, we should not even import, or if it is a specific import, we can get investment from them, so that this issue that is happening with china, for example

, will go to china and europe. basically no need to now, our oil and natural resources, america is a rich country, and if i want oil and natural resources , i have it from the countries almost around it. now , the highest oil import of america is from canada, and it is completely dependent on mexico. there is no oil in the persian gulf anymore, so the situation has changed . we are a landlocked country. china and europe, as i say , are actually the powers, so to speak, while the united states and england are maritime powers. the countries that buy our goods are potential customers in two different classes and categories there are china and europe, and at the same time, these are also investor countries, that is, china, as you know. at all, it has serious investment plans in the form of the one belt one road project, and the europeans also have big companies, and these big companies, well

, it is also in the history of our economy that these companies invest in neighboring countries. they say this next to the neighboring countries, which means that you can see that our relations with the neighboring countries cannot be to the extent that we have a large trade surplus in the neighboring countries. the gas export that we had to iraq eventually created a surplus there , what do we need to solve it, we eat again into the dollar cycle and the world's smoothness, and if we want to bypass it , we can say, well, you don't want to come to us , invest in the economy. iraq is not an investor country, you see, here we are trapped. our neighboring countries are not investment countries. one or two countries are also our competitors . that big event through transactions it was happening. it will lead to our exporting more oil and attracting investment from european countries and china. what will be the second step

? let's do what i say to organize , it's not just a matter of reducing intervention, one aspect of it is reducing intervention. it must be a special case in the economy, that is, you must have a reason for what you are pricing the product for the reason must also be convincing, for example, a monopoly , for example, we cannot leave a monopoly in the hands of a monopolist, but in our economy, it is a bit the other way around, that is, we put the principle on the pricing, as if we say that we want a reason for the pricing. let's not let this situation change. we must try to stop the government's interventions in this. of course, the government has ineffective interventions . it should reduce its intervention. this price level should be reduced . you can see the example i

have for the viewers. for example, maybe discuss for example, let's take a car, which is a monopoly market, but it is a monopoly, but look at the pricing , the principle of pricing is a debate, how you price it is another story. it got a monopoly, but at the same time , it also gives it space for growth and development, but our pricing usually goes to the direction that, under the conditions that the people are in , it finds a very large streak of popularity, and we take it to those companies that let's make them loss, for example, car manufacturing is loss the producer price index has increased almost 9 times from 2016 to now , while our average car prices are about 7 times, below 7 times, which means that the car industry is completely left behind from the general price level, and this has caused a loss. it is important to note that the loss to the banking network is covered through facilities, then the banking network becomes a part of the balance sheet with these

facilities. investment will be disrupted, this means that it will become a chain of dominoes that will fall in the economy and weaken the whole economy . we are going to find out that we are going to find out the principle of pricing , for example, in the field of currency, for example, the preferred currency, in the case of, for example, the places that you see that this is actually where we succeed in hitting the preferred land for that result. this is that domestic production will definitely be limited, it is no use for you, for example , with a cheap price, for example, 28 and 500 compared to the market, while the whole price level in the economy adjusts itself to the free dollar, even if you are successful, with a preferred price somewhere. if you actually finance it, the result is that you actually create a price imbalance in the economy, and this the internal production has these points that you say , it also has a spectrum opposite to the undergraduate stream .

production means this thing, which is the view, which is the glasses that we have, from the back of which i myself look from the back of it . well, we have to go to the welfare system, that is, see what we are going to do . we believe that the welfare policy has become our everything . our welfare policy should have an independent welfare policy. then the horizontal policy maker should do his job . the monetary policy maker should do his job. the rest should be free to plan according to the requirements of economic growth and economic development. we should not turn everything into a political solution.

thank you . we have re-established contact with mr. zanganeh. yes, see again. hello , i am asking you about the 8 percent that i told you about, but we have a problem sometimes friends are talking about this 8% growth , they don't see all the program series together, that is , if we look at all the seasons of the program as a package, all the same points that are in this now. dear mr. dr. drodian , he said that we paid attention to it, for example, in the area of ​​pricing, for the first time in the seventh plan, we brought orders for pricing. you can log in and set prices for other goods, even exclusive goods such as cars

came. for that too, we made orders based on article 44 of the law, where we came to the so-called regulatory department, we obliged the government to at least in that case in four areas , we prohibited pricing in the area of ​​competitive goods, and we said that if the government prices if you do something that causes a loss to the producer, he must go and compensate for that loss. or if we use this 8th, for example, in the field of welfare issues or for example in the field of housing, when we come to increase housing, we say that the growth of housing, for example, must be a certain number, then we came to the housing season and said, well, one of the issues what is the government's background that makes the growth of housing a problem?