they bring up new ones. chambers of commerce, various production organizations and entrepreneurs announce their opinions based on their activities. one of the rules that exists and we have addressed it many times in the sed and sima news agency industry group. the law of maximum use of production and service capacity of the country is one of the laws that are completely related to the issue of production. this is just one of the laws related to production, which is one of the protective laws. as long as governments pay attention to the implementation of such laws, production can grow and the market and exports and other things will flourish. it will come true. in this program , we deal more with the demands of the country's production sector. if you want to follow the conversation , follow our news channel . i say goodbye to the dear viewers of channel 1.

yes, as i told you, these kinds of meetings where producers and economic activists express their opinions are held these days, and today there is also a meeting at the iran chamber of commerce of the mining and agricultural industry. iran was held , the representatives of various organizations were present in this meeting , the president-elect was also present in this meeting, and in any case, the activists expressed their opinions. economic and producers brought up and the president-elect also stated his content, which you must have watched in the news section of 14. in this program, we invited the guests who were present at today's meeting and even

gave a speech to express their opinions. mr. hamidreza ghaznavi, secretary general of iran entrepreneurs association , are our guests in this program, mr. arman khaleghi , deputy secretary general of iran chamber of industry and mines, and mr. alireza kolahi, chairman of iran chamber of industries commission , are our guests. in this program, mr. ghaznavi, let's start with you. work council meetings what was the most important issue you raised with the election candidates? with the president-elect, what was the main problem that you or the challenge that you raised? hello and have a good time. we are happy to be at your service . as you said , meetings were held with various candidates in the iran group and this

two-way interaction was established before the election, and our colleagues announced their opinions and expectations from the candidates after the election. mr. doctor of medicine today , a meeting was held with economic activists in the iran chamber, where issues were raised from all areas of the cooperation sector, the craft sector, the sector of producers, entrepreneurs and businessmen. we also presented the contents that we will try to summarize here at your service. we believe that we are seeing a confusion in iran's economic history. and an industrial anomaly. and now, almost 50 years ago, we

were at the same level of industrial competitiveness indicators with countries like china, korea, turkey, uae, vietnam, even we are in terms of competitiveness indicators. we were highly industrialized, that is, we were owners of industry, not having these countries, having very bad conditions. today, one of my friends told about the memories of the late alani that the chinese came from us. buy a car and we said what will you pay for it, they said yuan , we said yuan has no value for us, an industrial car is yuan, the currency of china, and we said no, we are ready to buy industrial goods, they said we have some shovels and pickaxes and some of these things that, for example, we would like to provide the final currency coming and buying cars , where is china today? its conditions were worse than ours. we owned the industry, we were export-oriented. today

it is ranked 2nd in the world, korea is ranked 4th in the world , and turkey is ranked 2nd among all countries. i will give an example: 24 in the world, the united arab emirates, 27 in vietnam, 30. therefore, i think we should divide our conversation into several parts. let's design the rail correctly so that when we get on that rail , we can get to the right track. that's what

we checked in our world. if we want to check global references, that's what the industrialized countries have chosen and progressed for almost 70 years. for all the countries that create wealth and their people find good material conditions, these countries are generally off track industrial development, you know that we have no way to create value, to create wealth, except for the industrialization of the country, there is one path for the industrialization of the country, the path that these countries have designed through the strengthening and development of large-scale enterprises. the title of economic drivers is one of the economic drivers of all the countries that are progressing economically and industrially

, putting this as a priority, not because they only pay attention to the frontrunners, small, micro and medium companies, these are in the value chain of these large-scale companies. taking and being supported by these catch. when they are placed in the value chain of large companies, they can grow. able to have sustainable growth. we are going with this steering wheel, we have not caused the sustainable growth and strengthening of small and medium companies. it does not cause the emergence of large-scale companies that can play an international role. very well, your opinion is a priority. it is given to the economic drivers. mr. khaleghi, how do you see the issue, should priority be given to the economic drivers , how will their position be in the small industry? yes, in the name of god , greetings to you and our dear viewers they are following the conversation. thank you, mr.

ghazni. your statement is completely correct and appropriate. well, we want to see the whole economy. what is important was emphasized again in today's discussions. it was about how much the private sector should intervene in the economy , and whether we have played it at all or not, or whether we have played it, this may make a difference. the important thing is that we must accept the private sector. we have the economy in our constitution. we divided it and there is a definition and we said the characteristics of public, private and cooperative of these three sectors. well, when our economy is shaped by these three. the department is combined in decision-making and actions in this area. it happens, these three sectors should be involved, they should help each other , they should be synergistic, they should be able to maintain their interaction, well , as a general rule, the presence of the private sector in making decisions on planning and managing the economy in the country should show itself, so far we have not been very successful.

usually, the non-governmental sector has been subject to the policies and programs that came from the government and the governing body , and now, like the parliament and other bodies, it has been enacted into law. and the law has been applied and we were subject to it if we had the chance, we would not be involved at all , we would not be involved, no, it was not a serious incident at all, and it was not taken seriously. now, this issue of engines, which mr. qadzani said is a part of the economy, when the locomotives move properly in the economy, these engines and what they are doing. the rest of rome will follow after themselves when they work properly, because they are small and medium industries, my technical services.

we must have a specific long-term plan for the country that can be implemented and has guarantees. finally, two and a half years ago, we have the supreme leader's order to compile the country's economic development strategy, which i emphasized , was supposed to be completed by the currently established government, which he said is still two and a half years away. we haven't reached that order yet, so if that goal is clear, everyone should know what their duties are, what the private sector is doing, what the government is doing, what the parliament should enact, what laws it should remove, the lack of this strategy was very annoying and one of the things that i i believe, god willing, that the new government should address this matter, the beginning of its work should define its task in the field of economy , which we have in different fields in the international strategy. what do we want to do in the field of economics? diploma in economics and diplomacy. what direction is our economy taking in the discussion of imbalances? why should i compensate

? it should work that we all seek to solve the problems of an economic company , a manager at the level, just keep in mind that today i am involved with the ministry of labor, tomorrow i am involved with assets, then tomorrow with social security, so he will come to the bank tomorrow, every day, every day. a device comes to me instead of paving the way, everyone creates an obstacle, so this strategy can help a lot, if we formulate it, he can personally intervene, help say that i can implement this plan, because you see , sometimes we have a plan. during the past years, we wrote a lot of our wishes instead of a plan. when we write a wish, it is good to write a wish, but in order to achieve a wish , there must be a way to make it possible.

there were no facilities available for him, very well, i hope so god willing, what will happen in the new government, thank you , mr. kolahi, say hello to you today in the meeting you had with the president-elect, what issues did you bring up until now, prioritizing economic drivers and the involvement of the private sector in decision-making ? i would like to serve you and also serve you. we can compete with these, because in the export markets minus the raw and primary materials, we really

have nothing to say, and the key to this is competitiveness, of course, when i say competitiveness , i am referring to the world economic forum's index, which is a very complex and deep index with more than 130 items in 12 different landscapes are divided and if we refer to it , we find ourselves with a series of neighboring countries and a series of countries that are on the same path of industrialization and going as friends. saying , let's compare vietnam and so on, we will see where we are really faltering, and today, the closing petitions were on the same axis, because the continuation of this process in a world that is slowly abandoning fossil fuels means the importance of fossil fuels and power. buying half of it is definitely a reduction and the world is moving towards our advanced technology and production, which today has a place in none of the global value chains. we don't have it, it is very dangerous for us and it can make iran an unimportant country in

our global equations. for example, we can compare ourselves with a country like taiwan, which created its own semiconductor industry and computer chips with an initial investment of 220 million dollars. kurd, and today it has a share of over 80 in advanced chips under five nanometers, and as the strategist said , he created a silicon shield for himself. this means that all the concern that the west has about the security of taiwan today is because of its position in this key supply chain. now , we were once decisive in energy. just as following the islamic revolution and the imposed war , the energy price shock must have been one of the reasons for the fall of mr. carter's government, but today the reality is that if we build a wall around the country, it will not make much difference to the world and our neighbors, and now i am somewhat i mentioned the reasons for this. you see, we had seven industrial development programs in the last 20 years, and what is the outcome of this? in

fact, we have woven a carpet in the middle of which is thin, that is , because we did not have a clear strategy, the governments did not work together and jumped from one field to another, basically never at all. right we couldn't decide where we have a disadvantage, where we can create an advantage. see, for example, we are going to see today. now, i am in the first meeting, mr. doctor . let's produce and share a considerable amount of resources and cheap loans. we are talking to mobile phone manufacturers . what do we have to say about mobile phone production ? basically, we have to make a decision today, in this situation that, as i said, after 20 years, today we are in a situation where the industry is the driving force. the country's economy and employment are not in a really good position . we should focus on which points now so that we can create value for the country and

define a role for iran. by the way, the importance of this is that, in fact, the direction is that we need a plan, really a long-term project. we don't have time-consuming work under the title of developing an industrial development strategy . sorry, good and valuable studies have been done in the country, but in my opinion, an expert team with the right powers should combine these reports and compile a plan, just as mr. khaleghi mentioned. realistic and practical it is not our dreams, but our other challenge is the reduction of the investment position in the country. today, we see that basically even a series of our investors are investing in neighboring countries . i have a friend who started a project in turkey . he told me exactly that i here, i feel a growth and a strange growth process. in 3 years , he said that here i feel that everyone is mobilizing to

help me grow, but in iran, all my energy was being wasted. we have prepared proposals in this area that were read today to solve political challenges, especially the issue of sanctions and at least relations with neighboring countries in a fair and equal condition. for example, today in our most important market, which is iraq, we have a completely unequal condition with our regional competitors. from mandatory pricing as much as possible and reduction, in fact , by creating stability and revising the structure of the schemes, we should encourage productive activities, not speculative and non-productive activities, which especially many of these and the growth of home loans of this type of arbitrage companies are the result of interference. in the foundations of economics big like interference in pricing and in the price of the currency

is our next issue that was mentioned today, so we will keep it here because you mentioned the issue of pricing. they bring up and everyone agrees on these , let's mention them one by one and then see the solution. the government can let go of this matter an order in the law of the seventh plan should be gradually removed. we have a plan for this. during these more than 40 years, no government has been able to properly manage the economy with the pricing formula. one or both sides always lose, either the producer or the people. they work , but there is a populist movement because, in

my opinion , they are deceiving the public opinion on the issue of mandatory pricing, ultimately to the detriment of the economy. i don't know what the results are, to say that things have improved in this way, but what should be done so that people don't get hurt in the middle of this? finally, the governments should not act with their own planning in such a way that the economy will be diverted anyway , it seems that first of all, low-risk products of low-risk companies should be strengthened by the government's mandated pricing, and those companies should be mass- produced. let's take the so-called benefits of using economy of scale. we can benefit from this discussion that we had, which was rightly pointed out by friends. the discussion of large companies is due to the fact that we can achieve economies of scale. large companies

can reduce costs with mass production. all prices will be reduced. increasing the quality, increasing the variety of all this as a result of the so-called large-scale companies , when we managed to manage one of these products, the people of the government and the producer tasted its sweetness, we can slowly bring one product out of this price cycle, if to let's do this at once and price all products at once . if we issue an order, the market will definitely face challenges. we did not plan for mass production , the market will decrease and the supply and demand system will be disrupted. again , we are forced to move on this matter step by step with the same pricing

, mr. khaleghi. please tell me about the supply of raw materials . it is one of those cases that producers , whether large producers or small producers, have opinions and complaints. they talk about this case and sometimes they say that we have production capacity, but this is the material supply model. in any case, the first one is not a solution and it affects the production. for this matter , what should the new government do, and in any case , it should implement the laws? maybe we can see for a part of the country's industry, in the discussion of raw materials, there are different sectors . let's assume that the industry is one, such as automobile manufacturing, into different sectors, such as mining, related to agriculture , or, for example, household appliances or the food industry , each of these is a sector. they are related to the raw materials , for example, the food industry, we must go back to the discussion of agriculture and animal husbandry, animal husbandry, and fisheries. we must

see how we can have industrial agriculture , and the products that come out of the agricultural sector are going to be transformed, according to what mr. ghaznani said. have economy of scale the agriculture of our products should be mass produced and the finished price can be lowered. and if it is competitive , what should we do if our agricultural industry is mechanized, let's not let the small plots of land fall to the ground anymore, and even if we have to join together , we should have large areas of land for agricultural work and scientific work. if we do this, we have a problem, so the output of what is coming from agriculture is very competitive with what is being done in the world on an industrial scale, agriculture is not competitive. the downstream industry of agriculture is our transformation. you have a problem in this department absorption, in addition to the fact that we have pesticide residues , we have no pesticide and fertilizer residues, which brings the quality down, that is a part of itself. now let's come to

the industry, for example, the industry, which is downstream of petrochemicals , where plastic parts and the like are produced , or even agriculture, which is a part of fertilizer. downstream of petrochemicals, these things must be taken care of from the beginning, that is, from the petrochemical industry, it must be correct, the petrochemicals we design must be produced properly. it is good that the circulation is in the right amount to be able to give the right quality plus the right and competitive price. if we are in petrochemicals let's make it limited and confined, with all the economic problems that we created for it, the petrochemical material that buys oil from us goes to another country, for example, south korea makes petrochemical raw materials from it, the price will be competitive with the price of our own petrochemical. our work is lagging, we have a serious problem. this must be seen , that is, we must go from the beginning of the value chain to the entire value chain. we must look at it link by link. we must correct this. we cannot

expect that there will be problems in the supply of raw materials at the beginning of our work. be with low quality raw materials and with the high price of a high-quality product should be brought down at a low price . low quality and price are the basic principles of competition. now , what is the relative competition or the competition or the competitive position that we create? but for the time being , we must talk about the principle of production, that in our chains, suppose, in the steel industry, in the metal industry, in our metal mines, if we cannot harvest those mines with the right machinery, the wear and tear that we have in the mining sector, in terms of machinery , is so annoying. which is the mineral that is extracted can it be done? the price is high. we are very busy in providing very old mining machines . new machines cannot be supplied because of the embargo and the financial issues we have. then we came to an internal embargo. then we have one or two production sets that

are not enough to produce. we came to pay customs duties for mining machines that we cannot bring out ourselves. these obstacles it should be seen that the input of the production department is its raw materials. let's arrange to give competitive power to the production sector. this should be resolved. alright , my friends, we will prepare this report . we will come back and continue the conversation with mr. kolahi. the overflowing energy of shaftadah in the electricity sector of the industry is being cut off, industrial production is falling, or we do a one-time mandatory pricing , we remove a mandatory pricing, then there is a social tension, the government goes 4 steps behind, and this is it. it cannot be fixed, one of the most important challenges of the

industrialist. what we should not interfere with is people's lives. on the other hand, the producers believe that they will find problems with drugs and basic goods . the problems of the country's industry have not been solved in recent years. the problems that the industry and the private sector have been dealing with can be solved, that is, it is not a problem for us to say this, for example, this is the responsibility of the sanctions. in my opinion, we can be successful , they say it is possible and the solution is people's participation in the economy.

taking the opinion of the people, especially in the field of economy, from the activists of the economic sector and the specialized organizations that exist and have birth certificates is one of the issues that both the law mandates and common sense dictates that the senior managers of the future government must do this. they must have an agenda so that they can make the right decision. at most , the field will be prepared for people's participation and the participation of the private sector and economic activists. this, in my opinion , is the most important point of the sda news agency's q. safari. thank you to mr. safari, editorial reporter for sanat, mr. kolahi , regarding the supply of raw materials. what should happen to solve this problem? by the way, how and the price of the raw materials

, the price of the raw materials, mainly by. government or quasi-government companies are funded . it has been an issue of ours for 8-9 years. no duties and fines, and the reason was that we believed that this is a double and costly incentive, and in addition, it distorts the tax floor in favor of the foreign buyer. this has been done, the issue that mr. khaleghi also mentioned, we are even in the same chain, these raw materials, basic metals, polymer materials, etc., these are the first link of the production chain, unfortunately, despite the huge investment we made , we did not have a clear strategy in this area, for example in the field of polymers and petrochemicals, which also comes into

the food chain, we have created a huge weakness in methanol , household appliances, and auto parts, even in the industries . now we don't have gas to supply them, but our capacity for advanced and engineering polymers is either non-existent or very low. well, this is ali despite the direct investment of 80 billion dollars in petrochemicals and perhaps a subsidy amounting to 200 billion dollars in the last 20 years, why did we go this way? we went on a path that despite all these costs, today the difference in the price of our imported goods in the chemical and petrochemical sector is 3 times that of our export goods, and the average price of our export price is 50 % lower than saudi arabia and almost a third of south korea, so this shows us. it shows what we have done, we should really have a mid-term to long-term plan for that area as well, which are the holes in that carpet chain.

let's fill the document that i mentioned. two, we must have policies that these raw materials will be the driving force of the industrial development of the country, not that they will be exported to countries like china, etc. let's say we colonized ourselves, this was exactly what british colonialism did with india or french colonialism in africa . i put it materially, the credit sale of raw materials and industry is low, so right now we have a serious problem of providing liquidity in wadha. we have a production, the amount of liquidity has been allocated, and the industrial sector has decreased by 20% in the past year , while we have seen price inflation in most of the fields, and this financing costs more than that.