as we say goodbye, we invite you to join us for the official start of tonight's special news discussion about the most important environmental priorities in the 14th government on khabar network. tasmagreb talk and news feature every night first let's see a report, let's go back and start tonight's discussion and program. honorable vice president and honorable head of the environmental organization along with the delegation to the virgin protected area , i welcome the first field appearance of the new president. environmental protection organization among tehran's wildlife rangers, which is a rich area in varjim region, yes , you have nearly 2,500 of them here. almost statistics

our latest statistics are close to 34,000. basically , we owe the efforts of our dear environmentalists to protect the environment. that is why, on the first day of my work, i made it a priority to serve a number of my dear colleagues at the environmental outpost of the general directorate of environment of tehran province. mrs. ansari will work as the new vice president and head of the environmental protection organization from today in this organization. it has tehran in its history. interaction with various institutions and organizations and environmental economics is one of the work priorities of the new head of the organization. environment

is a discussion in the field of environment, now value it we have to institutionalize the economic valuation of environmental economics, if we can, in any case, the damage and damages that i am referring to, for example, air pollution, supposedly the diseases attributed to air pollution, the death that is caused by air pollution, if these, as well as the economic losses that exist in the field of pollutants , if these are valued, the destruction of the ecosystem, if valued at the level of areas that are sensitive areas from an ecological point of view, from an ecological point of view , these can be taken into consideration. at least it can be felt that the priority is the economy an open rotation is a very important issue, subsidence and climate change, the risk of extinction of some species of wildlife, the implementation of the tasks of the clean air law and the waste management law are among the important environmental issues of the country, which the new head of the protection organization. the environment

is facing it. mohammad ali golkhah, radio and television news agency. ms. dr. ansari, the head of the environmental protection organization and the honorable vice president are with us in the studio. mrs. doctor, environmental organization, internal challenges, the most important environmental priorities in the external field. which priorities did you take into consideration and understand so that it is within the time frame? let's take care of them first. anyway , in the field of environment, we can say that the issue of environment is one of the most vital issues of our country at the moment and we have many environmental problems that sometimes turn into super challenges and the issue is that we are actually in the field of the environment should be tried at two levels, one is the approach at the higher levels, the governance levels, which in any case, these super challenges that we have in the field of environment, these are official. let it be known that the discussion that the

honorable president is emphasizing in his speech is the need for collective discussion and consensus building. in the environment, this consensus and agreement on the issue of mega-challenges should be recognized because these environmental mega-challenges that we have now really exist in the concrete of people's lives, for example, air pollution or dust in some western provinces of the southwest of the country or the east of the country. these really affect people's lives, so the issue is that we should recognize the challenges of the environment and consider their intertwining with social, economic, ecological, health and even security issues, if this is actually it should be taken into account that we can definitely do it at those high levels let's solve environmental issues with an interdepartmental coordination. let's benefit, let's at least move in

the direction of solving environmental problems . we should pursue more interaction or a stronger will, for example, the issue of air pollution, which is actually a challenge , anyway, we have this in big industrial cities, and the issue is that we must first be honest with the people that our biggest challenges in time short cannot be solved means we for supposedly the issue of air pollution law. it was approved by the islamic council. this law has many executive regulations. the issue is that the importance of solving the issue of air pollution, air pollution management, from

the devices that are somehow included in this issue , which is more than 20 devices. to understand the importance of this matter, it means that the role of the environmental protection organization is to be a policy maker. there is supervision and it makes it follow the issues, but to expect alone that the environmental protection organization can solve the air pollution, well, this is a wrong idea, i.e. we definitely need the national determination to solve the problem of air pollution at a high level , and coordination must be done at that level . anyway, the issue of air pollution has certain solutions, for example, decommissioning old cars, for example, these there are all issues that should happen in parallel, and the urgent solutions that we usually have in the cold season of the year, for example , in the winter season

, we have a series of urgent solutions, such as even holidays and conquering cars , these are the solutions that at that point in time now there is air pollution, there is an inversion of temperature there however, these solutions are unavoidable. the management solution to solve air pollution is that we follow all the issues that are in the law in the executive regulations in the medium and long term plans so that we can have less unhealthy days. i want to talk to you about the issue of monitoring policy, which is the role of the environmental protection agency , but since we brought up the issue of air pollution , i will relate the current discussions in this area to the clean air law. the implementation of this law is now , as it is said, the provisions of the relevant clauses 9 years have passed since the approval of the clean air law, and as announced, it was only about 10 years , i think it was in 2016, i think 7 years, almost

something like 7 years, now 8, 9 years, in any case, it is a significant and workable time. as announced, nearly 10% has been implemented, and now every organization is asked why it is stated that what is going to be implemented is costly and the implementation tasks include the necessary financial resources , which is why it is not fully implemented. they fight, each of these is financial loss, loss of life and consequences, which means different issues what do you do for the full implementation of those follow-ups in the regulatory dimension and in the policy-making dimension? the point i have to tell you is that we have good laws regarding the environment in general. by the way , we have a series of accumulation of programs, laws, that is, laws, don't see why there are a series of laws, for example, the assumption of the management law was left behind. well, it was approved in 2003

it's been a long time, well, a series of laws should be updated, maybe there are a series of loopholes, these should actually be seen, but in the case of the clean air law, the clean air law and executive regulations. which was actually approved following the approval of the clean air law, there are good capacities, that is, if the same law that was approved in 2016 and the executive regulations of this law, if really with that decisive determination on the part of the responsible institutions and with the serious follow-up of the protection organization the environment was followed, definitely , better measures could have been taken. now , the air pollution working group should follow up in any way , hold meetings as it is a governmental monitoring body, the issues that exist in the field of air pollution, these should be addressed anyway. follow up diligently and you should anyway

there is an effort, except for this effort, doctor , there is a plan, you see, we have a law that is our superior document , we also have executive orders, so why did you say these things now ? one part may be the costs, but this is not the whole issue. this is the issue of air pollution. in fact, the priority of different devices was not the priority of the past eras, maybe as it should be and maybe it was not. the issue is that we have the same first point that i mentioned to you, consensus building, and that we face environmental challenges such as air pollution, land subsidence, water restrictions, etc. we have these let's recognize it at high levels, and when this is recognized, its connection with various issues of social problems that it sometimes creates, for example, we must pay attention to the discussion of society, the social view of environmental issues, that the consequences of our problems are now

contributing to social issues. it is possible that there are actually a series of protests that we have in some provinces, for example, we have issues with water resources in khuzestan, isfahan, or the air pollution issue in iraq, there are popular protests in ardakan. those social issues that are actually annoying from these environmental crises , these issues should definitely be prioritized and these issues should be followed with a priority view, and your supervisory discussion on this issue, i definitely have to say this , the working group is continuously attended by the institutions that are under we want to follow up , let's be demanding, the environmental organization should do the monitoring and follow up seriously and god willing, it will be able to do a certain amount. something to reduce these problems that we are facing especially in the cold seasons of the year, but i emphasize again that in

any case, solving the problems of solving the environmental challenges it is not possible to survive in the short term, mr. doctors, who were present in the parliament when the 7th plan was drawn up and after being elected as the president , they emphasized how much the agreement and plan of the 14th government is to implement the 7th development plan. do you know the chapters related to the environment in the 7th development plan in line with the country's environmental needs and how much effort are you trying to implement it with the new planning and of course the consensus and interaction with different institutions that you mentioned, of course the 7th plan well, it does not have a separate chapter for the environment, but environmental issues in its different sections it seems that there are environmental issues in different sectors. if it is followed, it can definitely lead to good things, so the point is that we

should follow this program and the rules of the existing program as a priority, so this is one of the important documents that we must follow. it is the seventh program and the environmental approaches that exist in this program should be followed, but maybe it could have been if we were at the beginning of the program , maybe these environmental approaches could have been maybe you could have seen more environmental issues, but the same issues that have been seen can be followed. there is also a second approach that it seems we should follow, which is that at the macro level of the discussion, there is a general agreement on one level on the other. as a society, we definitely need cooperation and participation to solve environmental problems. we must have people. we have article 50 of the constitution, in which protecting

the environment is a public duty, but it seems that during different periods, this principle was more of a ceremonial principle, while we need this we must have the people's participation , facilitate the platforms for the people's participation, remove the obstacles to the people's participation, the non-governmental organizations, which happen to be many in the field, who are enthusiastically interested in cooperating, and we can use these people's capacities. in order to solve complex environmental problems, which sometimes i can truly say are very complex problems, with many dimensions, in fact, they are comprehensive, we must solve them with the participation of the people. your environmental protection agency before you mentioned in the conversation that you have been involved

in various environmental issues for about 24 years, and now you have been in various positions . how do you see the performance of the environmental protection organization in the past 3 years in terms of various political and regulatory issues? i have to tell you that in any case, we what we should consider is that we are indebted to the efforts of the heads of the environment in different periods of different periods, and in any case , we are also indebted to the efforts of the pioneers who worked hard during the different periods of the different management periods of the environmental organization. the environment is really trying environmental activists are also grateful for the efforts of the hardworking personnel of the environmental protection agency, environmentalists, colleagues , experts. the point is that now the discussion of monitoring policy is raised as the main task of the environmental protection organization, but the environmental protection organization is involved in various issues that are

now it has become a major challenge, for example , the issue of climate change, which is now a very important issue for our country, and other issues of dust, etc. , require intersectoral cooperation, that is, the environmental organization must cooperate and strengthen to solve the issues. this collaboration it can be done inter-sectorally, for example, in the case of ponds , it must be coordinated with the ministry of energy, even with the ministry of agricultural jihad, regarding the model of cultivation, the ship pattern that is compatible with the climate. in the environmental protection organization , we also need to improve the structure. we have good colleagues , we have a good body of experts, but we must somehow now have the strengths and weaknesses, as you said, how were the different periods, we definitely need a stronger structure to be strengthened, and god willing, we hope that now with

the positive view of mr. dr. pourmohammadi in the organization of our budget program. let us strengthen this structure, god willing, so that we can be able to do that in the natural environment, the human environment, and strengthen the foundation of expertise, and increase credit resources, and in fact, increase our infrastructure for monitoring our areas, for the infrastructure that is, anyway, for the management of pollution reduction areas. we need it, in any case, these sectors must be strengthened, and we definitely need credit sources , and to use the most up-to-date technologies in the world, that means we must do this anyway. let's take into consideration and this strengthening and upgrading of the structure can definitely be very effective. in the 13th government , there was a discussion called economicization of the environment . what is the place of this program in your plans

? i mean , there is also the issue of green economy, which we mentioned in the interview that you aired, that we have the issue that we must establish that close relationship between the environment and the economy. be careful so that we can remove it in fact, the situation that is being managed now should be taken to the point where we can have proper management of our waste and our waste is no longer a problem that can be easily solved . our decisions must be effective, which of course is being done by the environmental protection organization, and god willing , we will be able to continue and

complete this issue. now the drought is increasing. the duration of this heat is consecutive droughts, there is more evaporation from the point of view of water, now the topics that are being followed in the body of this topic are certainly planned to reduce the natural hazards caused by this topic, of course, as i mentioned, we are experiencing this climate change and now we are unfortunately affected by its consequences and its destructive effects. there are happy years, there are floods , and there are changes in rainfall patterns, for example, dear people , you can see that it rains in the summer season, and in the spring season, the weather gets very hot, which means that the rainfall patterns actually change. life people know that we are seeing the effects of climate change and we are in a region in the middle east where the effects and effects seem

to be greater. well, for this issue, we are now discussing emission reduction. we have to do the things that we have a plan for , and we have to increase the discussion of our resilience , that means we have to improve our face with this problem, and we have to make our cities resilient , or face the problems that anyway, because of this climate change, let's be resilient, that is, in the first part, now the second point is the point of resilience in the part first of all, you mentioned the control or plan for greenhouse gases, what have you done or what will you do ? clean energy is clean. which is free and with investment, of course , it requires initial investment, but we can benefit from clean energy and also other measures that can be taken

to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, for example , making engine rooms or combustion devices smarter, these are solutions. we can reduce it emission of greenhouse gases, and we can implement different programs in the issue of descent, knowing that we are affected in any way, our region, our land is affected by climate change, so we must consider this the issue in the cultivation of plant species , in fact, the pattern of our agriculture, even in the loading of our industries and the industry that we want to establish anyway , we must take into account the water limitation in it. we should pay attention to these issues in our policy making in the project we have to pay attention to this issue , unfortunately, what is said is that the environment is still called the environment, and

they usually point out that the environment was somehow against employment and against development in the past , but this is the reality. it is true that this approach must change, this view must change with the understanding of the problem that we will not harm the environment. i don't mean that we don't consider the environment, i mean that by the way, there is a balanced development where the environment is at the heart of it, which means we must. we need that the assessment of the environmental effects that we do for development projects should be real and not formal, the assessment of the effects should be real and not formal and that the environment must be at the center of the development decision. this is a very important point that now all over the world there can be a balanced development that must pay attention to the environment

, otherwise we will definitely see its destructive effects in our lives and even in the livelihood of local communities. we can see that the drying up of wetlands is one of the issues it is there that we must see the discussion of zinef groups and local communities in the protection of wetlands, and it is the same in development , that is, in development, we must actually consider the environment and other aspects because there are hints. we were going to waste management. i am going to refer to article 4 of the executive regulations of the waste management law, which states that the executive bodies had the duty to separate normal waste from its source by the end of 2012. first, tell us what materials.

there is the left-behind group, which is the responsibility of the urban left-behinds of the ministry of interior, and now the same separation is also at the origin as you say, well , the ministry of interior, municipalities , and rural areas will cause this in any case. they should provide it. here , this is your supervisory policy. article 23 of the basman management law is the duty of the environmental organization to supervise this law. by the way, we have the national working group on waste, which is not specific to this normal waste, we have special waste, industrial waste, agricultural waste , hospital waste, and the

environmental protection organization has a supervisory role in all these matters, that is, in all five groups of waste. and the national working group waste also follows up the issues, now the discussion of separation at the origin is also one of the issues , other discussions actually have other components , waste management, which the point we mentioned there about the economy is what we need to focus on. it should be noted and unfortunately, the discussion of backward economy is popular, that is, until we consider the category of backward economy , we will limit the backwardness as well as the participation of the private sector. let's use it privately, and now what about the separation in the field of origin now, a series of private applications should be activated. yes, the private sector must be activated. now, the separation is at the origin of our first component. now, no, no, no, because before all this, we have to avoid the production of our waste, that is, we should try to teach

that this training can be very effective through the broadcasting organization. that the citizens of the families should produce less waste first, or the producers who are in the industry should produce less waste, and in the next step, we should separate the waste from each other, which again requires training , after processing, recycling and the steps that in any case then, at the end, it can be buried in a sanitary burial , and then it can lead to an incinerator . we don't have a problem with the law, we have a problem with the implementation of the law . if we can, we can advance the laws with an inter-departmental, inter-institutional, inter-institutional cooperation. unfortunately

, environmental issues were not a priority, and what will you do to make this a priority for the organizations interacting with you? well, we are definitely trying to activate the working groups in various issues, whether it is water, garbage, or air pollution. we will follow up on legal issues, we will definitely follow up. we will certainly follow up on popular appeal and attracting people's participation in parallel, that is, we mentioned that we definitely need to use the people's capacities in our various departments, without which we cannot do so, that is, now you are behind us for separation. in the source that you mentioned , we definitely need people to work , if we don't have it, we definitely won't be able to solve our waste problem

. we have and based on the organization now environmental protection has been obliged to create a uniform waste management system with the aim of monitoring all waste management measures in the country by the end of the first year of the program. god willing, we will follow up on this, but you see , the ministry of interior is in charge of normal waste, the environmental protection organization. monitors and follows up on normal cases not mentioned. it is an industrial producer , all of these are detailed in the waste management law and their executive regulations and some executive regulations that specifically, for example , have an executive regulation regarding our infectious waste , the government or agricultural waste, in any case. time will help you in this

regard. according to you, the number of agencies and ministries involved in the issue of waste is numerous and different. and we should also have inter-departmental coordination, and there must be that determination and will on the part of those institutions. mrs. doctor, the numbers and figures related to the plains of the country, the plains that have fresh water , the issue of land subsidence is a critical issue in this there is land in this field, and the plans that you are going to implement as a challenge in this matter, you see in the issue of subsidence, well, we are talking about aquifers, in fact, the management of aquifers is in fact the responsibility of the ministry of energy. but the subsidence of the earth is an environmental issue. in this area, we

should definitely accept the consensus and agreement that i mentioned at the beginning of my speech . it is a huge challenge in our country at the moment, and we must definitely talk about let's come and solve this issue by convergence is one of my issues now, you brought up the issue of subsidence. one of the issues that i need to mention is that the issue is actually environmental degradation.