[000:00:00;00] let's see parts of the speeches of the ambassador of the islamic republic of iran in armenia, mr. sobhani, let's go back and start the discussion and tonight's program. our position is related to human rights. our position regarding the unblocking issue is completely clear and obvious. we are not against the lifting of blockades, but all lifting of blockades should be under the rule of law. topics like zangzor will never

be interpreted. controls and supervision should be by the armenian government and the armenian government.

sovereignty. mr. dr. kazemi , you have seen and heard mr. sobhani's speech, let's go to the beginning briefly about the story of the zang zor claim corridor. let's see what the story is about. the discussion of geopolitical changes in the caucasus is perhaps one of the most complicated geopolitical intrigues in this region in this century. actually, the origin of the story goes back to 13 20 20 ad, that is, when the second qorbagh war broke out after 26 years. ceasefire by changing the position of ambassadors of western actors such as england and america, who until yesterday were in fact against azerbaijan and the liberation of the occupied lands of azerbaijan , suddenly after 26 years

, provided a unique aid to the regime of azerbaijan. he was present in the region with the military assistance of turkey and the regime the zionist project of the second qorbagh war, the 40-year war actually started, from that time it was actually clear that behind this project of the second qorbagh war , there is literally no question of liberating the occupied lands of azerbaijan, but it is a cover to promote a geopolitical sedition. the geopolitics that nato, centered on england , had planned against iran, russia and china in the process of transition to the new global and regional order, so it didn't take long for the russian side during the war to realize that joplotichi's conspiracy which we call dalan torani nato the division of southern armenia, connecting the territory of azerbaijan with

nakhtijan and turkey. what the english pantoranists call the so-called turkish world, and this turkish world , ironically, in the events of the ghazm war , showed its functions in supporting the zionist regime, including in the form of sending supplies of energy, fuel and water. this is going to be formed, so the principle of sedition in the caucasus is actually a sedition. based on the british , they are looking to create a road king through the partition of armenia, in fact , so that they can take the main corridors of energy transfer and transit from central asia. which actually makes this issue more complicated, and in recent days we see that it is at the center of our country's thoughts, that they presented a russian plan to counter this

plan, which is based on a wrong assumption. not only does it actually not bury nato's torani corridor, but it also lays the groundwork for the implementation of nato's torani corridor. it is also known as nato's torani corridor , mr. dr. kazemi. what is the corridor ? what are the most important goals they are pursuing now to bring up and start this issue again? well, mr. doctor , in fact, it is important to clearly explain the context of the issue here, based on the evidence that

actually existed before the second qorbagh war, and in the prisoners of war , as well as in the past four years, that these evidences and proofs actually existed and to the truth was clearly stated. this is that what happened in 2020 in the second garbagh war was not actually an azeri-armenian fight over the disputed area of ​​garbagh, but a bigger plan. a bigger one was actually being implemented behind the scenes, and by the way, this bigger plan was related to the rest of the current developments in the surrounding areas of iran and still is. which is a pardon, in fact, this issue is the war of corridors and the war of corridors , which is basically the goal of the second war of the frog , the war of this corridor or this corridor

was and still is, see the former british ambassador in nato clearly stated that the west should actually be european and america and nato should support this corridor because this corridor can connect nato to the sea. caspian, and of course, everyone knows that this connection will not only lead to the caspian sea , it will also extend to central asia, and if you actually look at the map, this extension that can go to central asia can actually affect national security. the country that has the most significant impact is in the south of this corridor, iran, in the north of russia, and in the eastern part of the corridor, in fact, china, that is, the three countries that were the main target of the west in the past years

in order to be able to control these three countries. who, by the way, have independent views in the field of the international system and on issues they are universal, that's why they are actually safari actors in the war. in the second war of qorbag, as well as the subsequent developments and the type of actions and reactions of the actors , it was clear that nato has entered this field and wants to complete this project, even if it is by force, even if it is done by geopolitical changes and border changes. actually, go ahead, mr. dr. kazemi, you mentioned the issue or another way of russia's position. what is zangzor's claim against dalan and how much do we want to talk about this position or this topic? the receptions? yes, you mentioned a very important question

. look at the second qorbag ​​war for the russians. the reality is that it was a surprise during the war that the russians realized that the target was actually the supporters of turkey and the republic of azerbaijan. in other words, the goal of nato and the zionist regime is actually to create a corridor so that nato's arm is in the region, and the russians will actually advance a counter plan from that moment , and in that ceasefire agreement, which is actually in november 2019, 20 it was signed, trying to say that between the main land of azerbaijan and naqdjawan, which is separated through armenia. become one a corridor should be formed, and in fact the leaders should support and protect this corridor in a military manner, that is, as a legal status

, the role of supervision and control should be in charge of days, and at that time, with the opposition of mr. pashnian, the prime minister of armenia. the word "corridor" was not included in paragraph 9, and instead the discussion of lines. it was brought up that the communication lines are actually the same as the normal roads , while when the discussion of the corridor is brought up in the legal sense of the word, it means the discussion of the control or lack of control of the host government. the corridor did not go forward but after two years when the war in ukraine actually started, in the last two years, because the geopolitical blockade against russia has greatly increased in areas such as the black sea, that is, turkey, as nato's representative in the black sea region through control which

is on the border between the bespar and dardanelles in the black sea, has practically confronted russia with a sea and land contemporaneity. in such a situation, the leaders believe that if we can take this corridor from the south of armenia , we can actually use this as a pressure lever. use it against nato and turkey as a weapon against the slopes of the dardanelles and the bosphorus are used. and even in the competition we have with china and iran , we can actually use this corridor , but the wrong point, which is actually the position of the leaders in this issue, is that from the perspective of the perspective that they can be days after the formation of this corridor is illusory. to be able to control and monitor it in a stable way, there is a lot of room for doubt

, because right now the russians are in this way with any title, with the russian seed in any form , when it is formed, in fact, a series of conditions will be equipped in that region, which practically stop it and it is impossible to block it. this actually reminds us of the mistakes of russia, which are not rare in asia, the caucasus and central asia. however, one of the reasons why the russians are now being kicked out of the gas cap is the same trust that in indeed, the nato contractors in the region, namely

azerbaijan and turkey, have made the same mistake that the leaders made regarding the agreement to transfer pipelines from the caspian sea bed, which russian circles now say is a mistake, so what is at issue here is that, in fact, in contrast to the version now nato leaders have an exclusive russian corridor they consider that this is actually based on wrong calculations and the same as the republic of azerbaijan. a few years ago, with the coordination of teriya, britain and the zionist regime, he brought russia into the karabakh dispute and in the north, the leaders' distrust of russia, two or three years later , their own peacekeepers were forced to withdraw from karabakh . force is happening, of course , for days, they think that this corridor will make the bosses as easy as gas, in fact.

transfer to azerbaijan oil company sokar to european markets. this is also based on wrong assumptions because, as the resolution of the european parliament showed last year regarding ethnic cleansing of karabakh, the europeans are sensitive to this issue and after some time, the europeans will certainly take the route of russian gas transmission through the republic of azerbaijan , and in fact, this position of the leaders an image it creates a negative impression of the russians in the public opinion of the region, whether in iran, armenia or even in the republic of azerbaijan , which is also the reason that if the main concern in this region is the connection of the republic of azerbaijan to nakhd javan, naturally there is a question in the public opinion that this connection so why? ars cannot be done through the iranian corridor because this corridor is 30 years old, 30 years of the republic of azerbaijan with one point. its strategy

is from the islamic republic of iran, it is freely related to language criticism, in fact through the soil of iran, well, this corridor is the only corridor that is only with the purposes of transition, that is , when we talk about the false zang zor corridor , there are ethnic goals, there are security goals, and so on. one of the goals that we said in the form of nato's torani corridor is actually based on public opinion. the question is, if the russians have an exclusive look at the qafkar region. they don't have mistakes if they want in fact, they can learn from the past instead of connecting a problem with a bigger problem. from the iranian corridor, aras is a corridor that is very important for iran and for the stability of the region, because the last national visit of our martyr raisipur raisi was the same visit to the aras corridor, and this shows how much our country is

committed to the completion and implementation of this corridor and the agreement in fact, this case is closed with the republic of azerbaijan, and it is looking for its implementation. let's talk more about the same issue , that is, russia's rhetoric, and of course let's go to another dimension let's see how much impact the ukraine war had on this issue. well, the fact is that the ukraine war had a great impact because based on the ceasefire agreement that was signed at the end of the second war, with the mediation of days , it was supposed that only the lines of communication between the countries of the region are actually reviving. yes, and there was no discussion at all about the creation of a new corridor, and for days almost until the time of the ukraine war and even until the first 6 months of the ukraine war , they were on the same position and on the same point of view and supported the same statement that they themselves were actually mediators and something other than that

they don't talk to each other, but after russia's transportation and transit routes to the west and to the europeans due to sanctions. a severe economic attack against russia was actually blocked. the russians are looking for alternative routes. one of the best routes to be able to resume their trade exchanges was to actually operate through the south, and here is the caucasus region and the route of turkey to the european side became important again for the russians, of course, iran's route is still an important route. the war in ukraine is being followed by the russians, so until the first 6 months of the war in ukraine, the position of the russians was clear, it was the same as what was written in the statement. when

they saw the pressure from the western side to actually create this illusory corridor, they came and actually gave a procedural change and demanded that if a corridor is actually going to be created, this corridor should be created under the supervision and control of russia. there are several issues here, one is that the agreement is actually a ceasefire it was concluded between the republic of azerbaijan and armenia with the mediation of the russians, it is no longer valid, that is, if it was stated in article 9 of that agreement that it was due to the fact that in that agreement, armenia would be able to use the lachin corridor to access gorbagh. while the issue of karabagh was actually resolved and the republic of azerbaijan was able to dominate karabagh in the third war

, so that agreement itself is no longer valid at all. the same agreement of peacekeeping forces having a region , where are the russian peacekeeping forces in the region today? because of these geopolitical changes that happened after the third garbagh war, the russians even withdrew their own peacekeeping forces, and the more important thing is that if even one such a corridor should be formed and in the future azerbaijan will be allowed to travel to russia or transit. don't give it to russia, then what does russia want to do? right now , there are tendencies to distance from russia in armenia, and basically, the armenian government does not want to create a corridor or any route that is different from itself and to others. in fact , he has a negative view of his own sovereignty there, so the armenian government

is not ready to accept the sovereignty of someone else, including russia, and if in the future the republic of azerbaijan acts as a barrier to access, and because in the past years, a country that the caucasus region has the greatest divergence from russia, the republic of azerbaijan , that is, the republic of azerbaijan was one of the leading countries in the region that concluded security and military agreements with nato and was one of the first countries to actually have russian bases on its own soil after the collapse. the soviet union closed, so these topics it is macro and strategy that they should pay attention to in their own equations, mr. and mr. kazemi , we want to talk about the consequences of the formation of this, in fact, dolan's zang zor claim, of course, the important point is the opposition of the republic. iran is islamic , so let's discuss this issue and its reasons together, but mr. mohsen pakistan, the former ambassador of the islamic republic of iran in the republic of azerbaijan

, adding mr. pakain to our group, i greet you . good evening, mr. araghchi, minister of foreign affairs . they wrote a message in the cyber space that any threat against the horizontal integrity of our neighbors again, whether the borders are in the north, in the south , in the east or the west, it is completely unacceptable , it is unacceptable, and it is considered a red line for the islamic republic of iran. well, you see, we are very sensitive to international men, and just as mr. araghchi said, the red line is the islamic republic of iran, but we have to see how far

it is to the point where men are likely to change. the main issue is between armenia and azerbaijan , that is, it is azerbaijan that intends to follow the zang route force to criticize the youth. if armenia accepts this demand, armenia will raise new demands in order to be able to go through azerbaijan. iran will arrive and in fact it is looking for a deal and in a bilateral agreement they will reach this conclusion, but azerbaijan does not want to open the way for armenia because azerbaijan's policy is to keep armenia under siege and that's why. the reason for both parties to decide the issue of zang zur roo from the negotiations is due to the difficulty of the negotiations. to withdraw peace and peace agreement means that there is currently an issue called the opening of dalan zang

force, whether in the form of war, which is ruled out, in the form of war, the borders will be changed, or in the form of conflict , is not currently on the agenda of these two countries, but the russians, as friends have pointed out, are looking to somehow the road should be opened so that troops can be stationed there and not allow foreign forces, including nato , to pass through this road. the islamic republic of iran should follow its own consultations with russia, armenia and azerbaijan by avoiding the speculations that exist and considering the common points that all three countries have in relation to the lack of allowing foreign countries to me. the region should be able to plan to not allow nato and countries outside the region, which

are always seeking to create war, to enter the faz, the best way is diplomatic voting . does thank you very much, mr. mohsen pakistan, the former ambassador of the islamic republic of iran to the republic of azerbaijan. for the islamic republic of iran, it is considered a red line. yes , the changes are actually a geopolitical red line. in fact , our country is in the caucasus. this principled position is actually limited to it is not the last 3-4 years because of the position we had after the first war. decades ago , our country not only supported the horizontal integrity of the republic of azerbaijan , but

it was the biggest supporter of the republic of azerbaijan in various fields, including the military field, which was one of the advantages of connecting the republic of azerbaijan to the youth criticism through the soil of iran. it means that here we cannot actually divide the countries from the perspective of greed to neighboring countries, from the perspective of land occupation, into good or bad countries, from the perspective of the un charter and international law, any border changes. international is actually prohibited according to the rules of amerah and our position actually leaks from this issue , however, what both the media and our diplomats must pay attention to when discussing the important zang zor carder is to see that when we use the word we use corridors or corridors. because this word abda, in fact, the president of azerbaijan , is exactly applying a transverse claim to the sionik province

of armenia, and because of this, in fact, both from a legal point of view, and from a political point of view, and from the point of view of historical issues, as the claim of history has a counter-historical claim, and from the point of view of the national view. we are so wrong and this it is very important that both our media and those in charge pay attention to the use of this fake word, because these fake words are used by the same people who made this word against us. and naturally, from this point of view, the matter should be looked at, very well, i want to talk about the comments of the authorities of our country on this issue, mr. bahman , the same issue, even though mr. dr. kazemi, mr. pakain mentioned it and then we will talk more about it. let's continue that now iran has any changes in its politics and borders he states that the caucasus is contrary to his own national interests

. mr. kazemi's emphasis on certain issues is so important for the islamic republic of iran. regarding the issue of the imaginary corridor , there is a strong alarm that this is the red line that has been determined and iran will not accept the geopolitical changes in this region in any way, so because these days our cyberspace and our media are full of these discussions and well in public opinion. sometimes there were provocations, that's what our people think be comfortable. those who are responsible for this case are monitoring the issues and issues with full vigilance and this kind of thing will not happen in reality and this is the fundamental position of the islamic republic of iran and there will be no problems in it. the second point is about russia, because in any case , the recent comments of the russian officials in russia actually caused this wave of news in iran, or reprocessed the issue in iran

, so let's note that yes. we may have differences of opinion with russia in the caucasus region, but in other areas anyway we have very close cooperation , we are aligned, we have common views, and this issue should not cause our entire relationship with russia, for example , to be tarnished or to be interpreted in a different way. in fact , this robot is moving forward. it means that the russian side will definitely be informed, the opinions of the russian side will definitely be taken, and these diplomatic consultations are continuing, it is not a reason that our disagreement will turn into a tension or affect our other cooperation, but the zang zorg corridor itself is a call to action. several reasons are risky for iran, for iran's national interests, and for iran's national security . the same issue is actually nato and that nato

finds the possibility that in the northwest borders of iran. in fact, it should have a wider presence, and this is nato's great plan to be able to contain the three countries of iran, russia and china at the same time , and this plan can help nato a lot in this regard. the second point of this line it is panturanism, whose ideas are actually not new ideas, but it seems that the ideologues or anyway the designers of those years they are waiting and they are patiently carrying out a very big project, which will certainly not go anywhere considering iran's rhetoric and red lines. the third point is the presence of the sehunist regime . you see, in the past 4 years, the neighboring regions

of iran and the republic of azerbaijan have actually been the mediator of a hand-to-hand war. the presence of the zionist regime is a very serious issue that can definitely affect our internal security , but in the past, the israelis tried many times to enter through this area. if iran penetrates, sabotages, commits terrorist acts, all of these are actually recorded and available, and these are the main reasons, and of course, in addition to all of these, and most importantly