in fact , there were holidays during this season, in this month, our consumption has reached over 140 million liters per day, and we may have had to import 30 million liters per day or even higher numbers at some point. in this sense, this discussion is actually related to the discussion of policies. let me give you a historical discussion. it is the first time that we have seen this way of interacting with the people and only observing the price policy, and this is actually a long way from making gasoline more expensive. again, after some time, the effect of the increase in the price of gasoline will wear off due to the inflation that occurs yes, this goes back to the year 134, when on december 3 , 1343, in the government of mr. hassan ali mansour, gasoline increased from 5 rials to 10 rials, and if you

read the history, it is mentioned there that in fact high inflation was created, taxi drivers blamed and the government was not working, it had to use army vehicles to transport passengers, the warnings of the police department and the interior ministry about public gatherings and taxis were not heeded, there was chaos, the bakeries were set on fire, the gas stations were set on fire, that is, the events that happened in the country in 2018 are exactly 60. we should have solved this issue, but we didn't, i think now we have reached a certain point, by the way, maybe these dissatisfactions will cause us to solve this issue in a properly managed way, god willing. see, i told you that we have a very good situation in the field of production. in the world, if i want to make a comparison with our neighboring country, turkey, that it's exactly the same size as us, the fuel consumption of turkey

is only 9 million liters per day, it uses gasoline , it also has 16 million liters of gas, it uses natural gas in light vehicles, it can also be 25 million liters, it also has 10 million liters. gasoil or diesel fuel in small cars it uses 35 million liters. how do we have it? the total consumption of gasoline and cng is 135 million liters per day, which means that our gasoline consumption is about 115 million liters per day. liter means that we consume 100 million liters of gasoline more than turkey. what is the reason for this ? is it really the people who usually accuse people of bad consumption

? khuan is a transport and traffic in the city now, they either do it through public transportation, or they do it through a private car , or they do it through a bicycle. when we compare between our own country and the country, if a country has done a good thing in the world, we should follow it as an example. when we compare, we see that the reason for the difference is in our public transportation infrastructure with them. in fact, in the lines, there are trains, urban and suburban buses, and you were offered the variety of fuel that i offered you . unfortunately, we only have gasoline. cng is now added in 2 fuels, but in addition to this we can use electric cars, we can actually use lpg fuel, and when we look, we can still see that when it comes, the problem is that it is always a question of gasoline in our country. can discuss the increase in prices

is due to the deficit that is created, and from the point of view of facts and in fact the words that the planning and budget organization tells the presidents, it is a deficit, and the motivation of all governments is usually to increase the price of gasoline, it is to compensate for the budget deficit. if the budget is provided through gasoline, in this situation, it will never cause the development of public transportation is not possible. it means that we did not plan long-term for this issue

. in terms of infrastructure, if we want to look at the price, it is already over. because you said that the price of fuel is now low, one of the main events that causes high consumption is this. see how much the full price costs you. i really prefer that we do not work on the price issue in a simple way, as our friend said, that is, the model of price increase, which means keeping the spring pressed and releasing it, the effect of compression is not desirable to anyone . we were strange, it happened to me in 2018 and we are already saying yes of course. that incident happened in 2018 and it was very heavy for the country. no one in the government or the government is willing to experience that risk again, and really, if we are talking about price increase at least now, we are talking about another model,

that is, this one. it needs an introduction and using the capacity of the people's base that is being created and it is responsible for the issue of price increase, which is the value that we want here. well, now consider us, now you say 5 billion, i said, mr. chairman president, yes, in the next 8-9 billion years, for example , the forecast may reach 16-20 billion, but it is more difficult to see that the tithes do not actually have a proportional benefit. he is using subsidies more , so this is very strange. it means that the person who is better off and has more subsidy, for example , consumes in some way than the person who, for example, about 40% of our citizens do not have a car or motorcycle, they

do not receive any share of this subsidy. now there are always critics to this point, they say, for example, they use taxis, those who don't have cars, of course, consider that our public transportation is now appropriate or not . i don't know. if we use the metro, we will use it ourselves. yes, the situation is not favorable . yes, it is not favorable. well, let 's talk about the final price. then let's talk about the solutions. but before that , we have to get the social base , the popular and social base, because we cannot we can't touch the price, we can't deal with the discontent, the budget deficit will open again and the pressure will come to the people in a different way. to move slowly and steadily, in fact, there is a need for a re-explanation of the subsidy debate , that this subsidy should be allocated to all people, that gasoline should belong to all citizens , but with a series of mechanisms that include, for

example, the management of market emotions that it should be controlled in some way and we want to avoid the effects of inflation that we are also considering and we all know, no one can deny it . once, for example, if there is going to be a price change , some steps should be taken first so that the price change is not very visible and there is no pressure . these subtleties can be this issue. we had experience in kish. now, if the meeting continues, yes, i would like to get a price from mr. ashuvori, maybe it will be more accurate . he took these prices. mr. ashuri, halid , how much is the price of gasoline for us and for the country? by god, it is accurate , maybe a calculation that friends have done before our colleagues told you that it was above 30 tomans. i can't tell you how much it was. i didn't understand. 30 tomans. 30 tomans.

yes, considering the price of oil, you say yes. if we adjust the oil, i don't know how much it will be. . i can't give you exact statistics, but what is certain is that apart from the price, the honorable government has other solutions, not the correct one. i wanted to see the final price in the refineries . do you have a final price, you should refine and distribute it, friends let them announce that in fact you are now producing gasoline, for example, you don't know how much it will cost . societies who say different prices, for

example, 10,12,000 tomans now, for example, they say i am higher, for example, they say you have to see what your number is, the reason is that the numbers are different. you have seen the following because of the different calculation methods and different parameters. crude oil, when it is taken from the oil field , is one of the costs of the oil field investment. you should see if it is included or not. it is through the pipeline to the oil refinery, then there is the cost of the refinery itself, that is, the overhead and consumption costs, and the catalyst, and finally , a reasonable profit should be made by the refinery itself. again , there is the cost of transporting the product through the pipeline or tanker to the oil storage, and then there are the discussions if we

consider these in terms of the return on investment of oil fields and the return on investment of our oil refineries , the total price of each liter of gasoline for the country is approximately 11,000 tomans. a worthless point the nature of crude oil means that if you adjust the oil from it , it means that we are actually giving crude oil to the people for free, only the people say, sir , we have that crude oil from underground . if we charge the fee for the sale of that food from the people , it is about 12 thousand tomans, if we consider the return on investment of oil fields and crude oil refineries as amortized, this is the same number. for example, some experts say this return on investment yes, with this calculation , it comes to about 1000 tomans, but the numbers i saw in the cyberspace were actually published by some people, it was about 1400

tomans, one refinery, one refinery, 3000 tomans , tali also said that another refinery had 4000 tomans. toman was completely wrong, the calculation method was also wrong, why was it wrong, because under the title, in fact, the people who under the title that we should not sell gasoline to people in dollars, the calculations are completely wrong, that is, the path that i presented to you is the right path, but those friends in the form of financial price the full price is actually the total sale of gasoline i calculated the income of the refinery minus the total price of crude oil input to the refinery. well, what will happen? in fact, the profit from the sale of gasoline is only the oil refining operation, which is about 3 thousand tomans on average in our oil refinery. the cost of refining now is only 3 1000 tomans, then the cost of oil extraction, crude oil transfer. transferring the product to the oil warehouse. transferring the product from the oil warehouse with the oil tanker to

our station. you must also collect the sales fee and the station fee. at least, i would say that with one scenario, 7,000 tomans, with one scenario , it will cost 11,000 and approximately 70,800 tomans, 7,000 tomans if the return on investment cost is 7,000 tomans . let's assume that we are a country with this amount of consumption. last year , our consumption growth rate was about 12. last year, it was about 11. this is compared to even in the scenario where they say that gasoline will be allocated to the national code . now it's only one percent, but the growth in gasoline consumption and the growth in the supply of cars to the market is now 12. this is not the fault of the people. it's not the people's fault, it's our own policies. why? what you are looking at is that we are now

introducing 1,200,000 new cars to the market every year , how much are we worried about, sometimes it reaches 3.10% of this amount, finally , we have about 120,000 cars a year, what are we doing? the number should be much higher than this, or for example, when we look, we see that our public transportation, our buses, reached from about 22 thousand units. to about 7,000 vehicles in the country and this shows that we were not able to make that type of public transport fleet. now in the field of discussion, actually policies mr. president said that i am a political expert . after 2018, it is all about the price, now that it is all about the price, we have to talk to the people, even if we want

to increase the price, we have to talk to the people and inform them several months in advance so that they are informed. in addition, this is actually compensation for the mismatch i have already told you that the main motive for the price increase is because we want to directly compensate for this dissatisfaction . let's start with gasoline. that is the correction of the discourse that i said, why we don't use jet fuel or jet fuel only we are now approx. 7 million trips take place in the country every year, of which 7 million belong to about 5 million people, and the rest are repeated trips. out of these 5 million, it is expected that about one or two million are business trips, i.e. private companies' trips, even for government employees. that means 3 and half four million surely belongs to

wealthier people with a higher income level. we can get nearly 30 hamat from the price of aviation fuel. we can get the same amount from the price of lpg or natural gas fuel in the country. we can do the same amount by actually reforming the definition of kerosene and preventing the smuggling of these products. the price of kerosene and gas can be released in the country, and we can pour its subsidies into the accounts of those houses, almost less than. there are one million households in the country that have not yet been supplied with gas do you believe that in the short term, if the government believes that there is a serious dissatisfaction in the field of fuel , which the statistics show, and it is paying a heavy price for it, then it should first touch on gasoline and modify the composition of the fuel basket, for example, introduce subsidies. fuel says that we should

have a discussion . let's start this discussion first from other sources, which have a lower impact on the population, that is, for example, you are facing one million people there, not with the whole society, not with 80 million people. let's start with air fuel there first. with lpg fuel with kerosene fuel with price fuel fuel for industries like cement, cement export in this country, in my opinion, actually means fuel smuggling, which means gas oil smuggling, fuel oil smuggling, which means operating a cement factory with the aim of exporting is the same loss for the country, so why not. we don't take it, very well, mr. safar, what do you think , what are your short-term solutions, let's not neglect the fuel card and the fuel spoon , this is an important issue, my number is not small, the point is that now the statistics they say about this matter is about 20 million, but this is now, a combination of 20 million liters per day of smuggling, what is apparently called, but let me tell you that it is two

you mentioned the product, gasoline and diesel are right together, no, we had gasoline, of course, but now let me tell you that if, for example, we even import gasoline, diesel is really a more sensitive fuel, maybe it means its effects on other goods and the effect of its inflation will show itself more seriously. if you believe in this method and direction that mr. rafi mentioned, why is it in the process now? i have to offer you this discourse that he said is very good, but it is very important about the way it is implemented. if you remember, the same years about gasoline prices will not increase, we were hearing that at the moment, however, the point is that this matter should show itself in practice, and we have the suspicion that this expansion of taste is actually directly benefiting from the subsidy and the fuel itself and experiencing a market, a dynamic market . this building of trust will help. now that we are talking about people and airplane fuel, i

will share with you a very short survey conducted by zanestan presidential strategic research center in 1400. with a population of about a thousand people with a margin of error of 3.5% and a phone number over 18 years old, this is about the government's ability to maintain the price of gasoline at that time. now the fob of the persian gulf was about 18 thousand tomans, saying that 83 is almost saying that the government can not increase the price of gasoline if it wants, this is about the ability of imagination that people have in the case of airplanes between this and the

opposite option, but where it is going to go. it means to say, sir, we give gasoline to all people , whether they have a car or not, you even have the option of selling it yourself, and even in pricing , the government should not interfere directly, of course, in this model that i presented to you and in our kish. we were going to perform it and we performed it technically alhamdulillah, we were also able to get good results from this issue, which was that we kept the price of gasoline in a control situation by the government, for example, so that those fluctuations, for example, do not have negative effects on the market . i said you should do this reform, talk to the people about the changes , make any changes in the fuel field that is shared , whatever you do, be honest with the people that nothing, but you

, your first solution is to come to explain to us again. they don't want the government to do this for them the subsidies that i just mentioned seem to be inefficient. consider the 17 times that is in the allocation of subsidies. well, this is clearly the same as injustice. people who own multiple cars are getting a larger share of that subsidy , but in this model i have, for example, for those who have a family of 3, their quota does not change at all, almost for the car they own, those people who do not own cars at all. they are not going to benefit. in the end, we think that about 60 % will benefit from this case and about 20% of the society will not be different for them, so that is until now. the suggestion given by mr. rafi that i said let's go to the plane first and then fix the lpg gasoil . now i think that your concern about the gasoil is that there will probably be changes in the price of transportation and goods. did you not agree

? the government should implement the plan of gasoline for every person and this, so that the pressure will be less, you say that the price you have will change anyway, otherwise, this case can definitely not happen, that is, we are saying now first of all in this case, even the price is the same with a ceiling of, for example, 3 tomans. let it be explained again, people who don't have their own way should be excluded from the public car. this is an open issue. what you are saying is for how many years , for example, it is a thought for how many years. look , now i don't have the facilities to provide you with service , but we can even consider let's take the very, very small price increase that the market itself determines in terms of currency and demand, that is, i would like to give an example, for example, if the government sees that in one week or two weeks, the ceiling of the price of gasoline, which is three tomans, for example, will be hit. and it is fixed , for example, let's say 1% on this the price increase should be applied and in the next week, for example

, with that price, this situation can happen little by little, and it is controlled that the excitement of the first month that is explained or anything can be controlled , which actually precedes the reform of the fuel of the cars. i don't know about used cars. i appreciate your presence and the side issues that we talked about. even this model that i presented to you doesn't even touch the fuel card issue. in general, my experience has shown that the less you hook the plan you have in different places and do not make this matter more difficult, the more it will be done, thank you sir. ashuvori, as a person who is now active in the oil field , what do you think is the first solution that we can have to minimize this dissatisfaction? what do you think is the first step that should be taken in this field? just be brief , please. with mr. ashuri

, there are also ideas regarding the management of smuggling , that is, i will ask you in conclusion, mr. rafi , you continue your statement that in the short term, you mentioned that the fuel basket should be modified , see what you should do in the medium and long term. i do not believe in this poison that we in the medium term let's not increase the price of gasoline. well, because we have to do this work, we have to do this work . gasoline has been stable for several years, but i say that one , we should start that discussion with other sources. he talked about gasoline. i see this as a good sign, that is, it is not supposed to happen once, but when he wants to do it , my proposal is to reform our discourse , to increase the price of gasoline at all , once and overnight, and the president. say i am myself. i understand let's make it clear and transparent for the people , that is, similar to the things that happened in the years 70, 576 and 83, and

the price of gasoline increased approximately 20, 25, sometimes 16%, and for my people, everything is clear and it was clear that this is much better. we did one thing, and that was that we said that if we draw a graph, let's assume that it would increase with a gentle slope . our average price now is 1,500 tomans and 3,000 tomans will be 2,300 tomans we had continued that work, now we were exactly at 2300 tomans, the only difference was that it is a social problem and a challenge. god forbid, in fact, the loss of many clean young people of the country would not have happened , so i think this is a scenario that the government should first

intervene in. both the people and the second government will certainly welcome that we do not change the first rate of the first and second quotas and increase the price at the beginning of the discussion, but for example, for about 6 months for a year, we can only increase the price of the seat card. now, according to the law, 1,500 tomans remains for the second share, for example, 3,000 tomans in my opinion, the card can stay like this for several months or even a year. now, within the budget law of 1403 , we will have 80 hemats for smuggling and consumption, which is equivalent to 90 hemats, that is , the 80 hemats that the budget law has seen. let's do it

with a correction below. no one is paying attention to these things, with the issue that now a person who has a fuel card loses it, it takes about 20 days to issue an al-muthana card, easily with an infrastructural reform, we can make a one-day card, even a two-hour card, from through this process, in fact, it can be exported through the internet, and no one else can he can't say that you didn't give me my card and the price of the card will increase. do the majority of our smuggling because it is happening through the status card , at least 9 million reduction of smuggling is actually happening through these cards, mr. safar, you have one minute less time , i think this issue of smuggling is a really complicated and sensitive issue, we know that too an unfortunate incident happens because i don't know the changes they make in the car to transport fuel and those unfortunate incidents that happen really

require us to think fundamentally about management. smuggling of ideas exists, the discussion of razaq, which has already been done, for example, in the discussion of diesel, i think there are models that can be thought about more carefully , that ordinary people, let's not call it smuggling , will eventually apostatize from this issue with those very different networks. let's deal with that issue, let's separate it. i think it's a positive thing . thank you very much to all the guests of the program. mr. safar , all good viewers of our economy table program, in order to reform the discourse on this very first debate that we are talking about, radio and television will definitely help to make these issues clearer. it should be stated that for you, dear viewers , we will follow up on this issue in the program, or ali khodange.

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