on juma nasr, we are hosting mr. hossein jaberi ansari, the senior analyst of international issues, in this program. i hope that you will plan and accompany us . i greet you, mr. doctor. you are very welcome. peace be upon you. i am glad that you are successful. i want to know this in your program for the esteemed viewers of the network. thank you very much for allowing me to introduce the guest and the short introduction that i have announced to you from the esteemed viewers of the ik sima channel because of their companionship until this moment. i would like to thank you and invite you to join us for the official start of this conversation on the khabar network be thank you very much for being with us. as i mentioned, the topic of his conversation tonight is to examine transformation. the region of west asia

is reserved from the al-aqsa storm to juma nasr. mr. dr. jabri ansari is also our guest. mr. doctor, let's turn to october 15th of last year. as a starting point for this conversation, i would like to ask that until october 7th of last year, the region was accepting the zionist regime. the process of normalization had started for some arab countries in the region, and in particular, for example, the uae had started its official interaction with the zionist regime. let's check what happened before the week of october that the heads of the countries were willing to accept and begin normalization with him, and what changes did october 7 make in this story and the story of al-aqsa storm operation in this process?

we were facing a situation from the point of view of palestine and the region , which i sometimes said in the talks, the summary in the speech that netanyahu gave at the united nations general assembly last year, shortly before the start of the al-aqsa storm operation, was the summary of his speech was that the current situation in palestine and the issue is over and israel is interacting with the 98 arab world there is, and the remaining two percent practically have no choice but to surrender to the reality. in the actual process , the normalization of relations between the zionist regime and the arab and islamic governments was speeding up, and it was expected that relations with saudi arabia would be established soon. the efforts of the united states of america and in the wake of

saudi arabia will start a wide wave of normalization of the relations between arab and islamic countries with israel, and the situation will go like an avalanche and cover the entire region. well, the important impact of october 7 was that it stopped this process, it caused a stroke, of course, in its deep content, the politics of the governments change arabic. no, but as a result of their actions , an atmosphere was practically created in which the possibility of normalization was stopped, at least at the public level, and the high volume of israeli fire and the widespread killing and destruction that it did, in fact, not only for the current generation , but for the next few generations as well. it created a psychological atmosphere in the public opinion of the region, which

made the foundations necessary for normalization to continue with problems and crises. this does not mean that normalization has stopped or been abandoned. this is a big international project that is still being followed and unfortunately some arab and islamic countries are doing the same the people of the war in gaza are providing aid and logistics for israel, and this goes back to the general situation in the arab world and in our region in terms of the deep gap between the governments of the region and their nations. however, the general context of the people has changed in such a way that simply the process of normalization is not possible to advance. another issue that happened, i believe, is that the palestinian issue was considered a dead issue. it is not an issue and has no effect on regional and international trends. the area of ​​this.

we should give high marks to the designers of laqsa storm operation and to the palestinians, who in fact brought their own nation and their problem from a completely forgotten situation to a situation that is the center of all developments and imposed itself again as a reality. the designers of this operation, from the perspective of the palestinians, because the palestinian issue became the number one issue in the region and in the world, and was placed at the center of all the issues of consultation and issues related to war and peace, while on the eve of october 7, it was considered that the palestinian issue it has been forgotten and completely abandoned and trends outside the palestinian issue. and the will of the palestinian nation is advancing. al-aqsa storm practically created a tomorrow from october 15th . the post-october disaster stage, when

the palestinian issue became a regional and global issue again after being on the sidelines for about two decades. and this seems to be the most important achievement of the lakhs storm for the palestinian nation and for the palestinian resistance . mr. doctor. in the case of gaza, in the case of lebanon, the aggressions that he commits towards yemen, the audacity that he has towards the islamic republic of iran, let's talk about if he has all these confrontations at the same time. parallel to what he is doing, we are still witnessing riots in gaza, the intensification of aggression in lebanon square, what are the consequences of this issue for the zionist regime, first, we must

have a close to reality picture of israel's situation and israel's policy at this moment, so that later we can actually let's analyze the continuation of the scene and the consequences and the new situation. well, on october 7, the al-aqsan storm. the 15th of mehr month and its subsequent consequences created a situation for israel in which the palestinians returned to the heart of events after a long period of exclusion through a major military operation and a major intelligence and political success. military against israel, this created a fragile situation for the israelis, a severe shock in fact and severe damage to them , especially because it was very surprising, perhaps. the only time in the history of the arab-israeli zionist conflict that the arabs and muslims were able to achieve surprise was the first day or two of the 1973 war. well, that war

happened by surprise on the part of the arabs. in other wars, classic wars are always on the side. the israelis were surprising when they attacked barghasa, and october 7th is going to be a surprise operation from this point of view was a doer it caused a severe shock to israel, from the palestinian point of view, it created hope again for the palestinians, who can carry out operations against israel, and resistance is effective, it is useful, it leads to results, this was an issue, the second thing that happened was that the palestinians are not alone immediately after the start of the israeli attack on gaza after the al-aqsa storm, the resistance movement began. the islamic group of lebanon, hezbollah, announced that it will start operations against israel and will continue its battle until israel stops the war in gaza, and this has been the rule until today. in fact, it has continued. the most important development was that the islamic resistance of iraq entered the scene, and in a way, in

fact, the israelis were targeted to the extent that, with the distance dimension, it could also enter iraq in the size of the restrictions that existed in iraq. on the other hand, more important than all this, and besides these, yemen's ansarullah announced to the sana'a government that it will enter this conflict and this conflict, and this is the first time in the history of the arab-israeli conflict that yemen has become an actor in the middle east. he was a marginal actor in the heart of the events of the middle east and the palestinian issue it was not direct. for the first time, in fact, yemen's game level is at the level of the regional and influential game. you are dealing with the most important issue in the region, which is the issue of palestine, and the zionist regime actually promoted it, and the islamic republic of iran, as the originator of the resistance strategy, who, after the islamic revolution of iran, actually went against two paths in the arab world, a classic war path. and the second way, the way of compromise

and submission to israel, the third way was presented as a school by imam khomeini and then the leader of the revolution, continuing the erosion resistance strategy. long-term and long-term to impose erosion and depreciation to israel. in fact, a unity of fronts was formed in the region, in which palestine was not alone. lebanon entered operationally, not theoretically, yemen entered operationally, iraq entered operationally, and iran actually entered as an effective actor at the regional level, at the level of political support and all-round support for the palestinian resistance at the highest level. a unity showed the scene actually on the front against israel. what israel is doing now is that it has carried out the highest level of destruction and killing in gaza, but it cannot end gaza in the sense that it declares

my operation is over, because as soon as the operation is stopped, hamas, the palestinian resistance , will come out from under the ground and it will be clear again that the only thing israel has done is killing and destroying . strategically, the goals of the war have not been achieved. they want to show a few of an unfinished gaza operation and lockdown. they can advance the military in gaza through operations outside the fire belt from beirut to tehran, assassinations, security operations, the attacks they carry out and complement their own operations and the lockdown in gaza. we have and we have achieved to break up the two alliances of these scenes and say that if hezbollah , if ansarallah, if the iraqi resistance, if iran supports palestine, they should pay the costs and pay the direct costs of the confrontation . in fact, israel is

enlarging the scene of the operation in order to impose its own interpretation of its desired equation on other actors , in the sense that this unity will separate this so-called scene and these countries and allow palestine alone. the unfinished business in gaza, in fact , and its own failure or its own lock-up in gaza. open up the secrets of the operation in beirut, imposing new conditions on lebanon, operation in yemen, trying to operate in iraq and trying to take action against iran and raising the level of confrontation with iran is to separate this alliance of these scenes, palestine leave him alone and be able to actually carry out his unfinished operation in gaza. therefore , the most important thing in this scene is that this did not happen, and the new equation that israel is trying to impose did not actually happen, and

israel's bigger game, just like in the smaller game of gaza, with all the destruction and killings it has done, has not been able to may the desired goals be achieved on the bigger stage, in fact , the same lockdown will be created again for israel , mr. dr. jaber ansari, the zionist regime, in the assassination of mujahid kabir, the leader of the resistance, seyed hassan nasrallah , called the operation the new nazim. first, let's discuss what the new order is from the point of view of the zionist regime. an important point that was mentioned in your talks is the unity of the front against the zionist regime , how effective it is in stopping these crimes, and of course what it should be like in the new order that israel is talking about. it is the same point that i mentioned, imposing a new equation on the door other actors from palestine to lebanon to iraq to yemen to iran, the equation that the strategy of resistance

is abandoned and the support of the palestinian nation and resistance is actually cut off, that is, the new order they are talking about with a massive firefight by expanding the scene of conflict and withdrawal. it is from occupied palestine to other countries outside of palestine. there is an attempt to impose a new order in which this order is actually the union of these interconnected circles and a strategy based on a long-term erosion confrontation against israel, which is the central and basic strategy of the palestinian resistance and the resistance forces in the region. in fact, it should be left out. the desired israeli order is such an order that everyone leaves palestine . and he will actually seek to end his problem with palestine. this

mission is an impossible mission in many ways. the first problem of palestine and resistance forces cannot be solved by terror. all the leaders of the palestinian resistance, from the palestinian national resistance, the fatah movement and other groups to the islamic resistance, that is, the palestinian islamic jihad organization, the jihad movement. islamic palestine to the palestinian islamic resistance movement hamas, almost all of their founding leaders were assassinated in various operations during the past years, israelis were always exposed to terror by the lebanese hezbollah movement and all the resistance forces in the region. terrorism is a continuous and long-term operational, military and security tactic of israel. israelis have been assassinating for decades. but the problem is that in the strategic region, you can assassinate people and assassinate leaders, but you cannot eliminate a nation. the nations of the region

cannot be eliminated by terror operations. not the assassination of sheikh ahmed yassin and dr. fatah. shaghaghi and abdulaziz rantisi and many first-rate leaders of the resistance movement in palestine, leaders of the late fatah movement, abu jihad abu ayyad abu ammar yasser arfad, all of these were somehow assassinated, which means that there is no flow of resistance in lebanon. martyr seyed abbas mousavi, the second secretary general of hezbollah in lebanon, was martyred years ago, and a few years after this martyrdom, the great and historic victory of hezbollah against israel in 2000 for the first time in the history of the arab-israeli conflict, an unconditional withdrawal was imposed unilaterally from one of the occupied arab lands to israel. in short, at the palestinian and regional level, resistance leaders can be assassinated, but nations cannot be assassinated . this operation is an impossible operation because the issue of israel is the issue of occupation, the issue

of the occupation of a nation's land and the denial of obvious rights. it is natural for a nation, and this nation closes every door in a way , it opens another door to resist the israeli occupation, it tries to create a quarantine in palestine by cutting the connection links with palestine and supporting the palestinian resistance. let them be alone, let them be themselves. previously , the arab governments separated most of them from this situation through the reconciliation peace process, except for a few arab governments from the arena of conflict. the withdrawal of resistance forces and the theory of resistance it replaced this issue both theoretically and practically , and again created a new balance and balance of power. israel is trying, in fact , to upset this balance and leave the palestinians completely alone again in a state of quarantine, a state of complete siege. complete isolation can

settle this historical account with the palestinians, but the main issue with israel is that it is one year. there is almost no crime left in israel to do in palestine in gaza, except that they did not use the atomic bomb, which because of the smallness of the land, they practically do not have the power to use it. because the interference will actually cause harm to the jew himself and to the whole situation of the equation, everything has been done, nearly 50 thousand people, now the official statistics are announced as 423 thousand people, but a large number are also missing, killed and destroyed most of them . but 2,200,000 palestinians were displaced in gaza but did not attack the borders to leave egypt, while in the past wars of 1948, 1967, the majority of the palestinian population left the battlefield to save their lives so as not to be killed. a global and personal transformation has been created in the palestinian generation and in this palestinian nation

and in the palestinian resistance, it continued to survive for a year under severe bombing and massive killing and destruction . he stands on his own ground and is resisting. therefore, in my opinion, i can say it in two ways in one sentence. an impossible mission inside palestine is a mission that israel has defined for itself and netanyahu and the current government in the sense that you can assassinate leaders, but you cannot eliminate a nation . a nation is standing and fighting. in the outer circle, the allied forces of the palestinian resistance show that they will not leave the stage empty and actually support the palestinian nation in approx. possible for countries and resistance in the region will continue. mr. dr. jaberi, an element of your emphatic point is that you emphasized the importance of a united front against the zionist regime, and of course, the point you made was that the zionist regime has not committed any crimes in gaza and palestine in the past one year, and now in recent days and weeks in

lebanon, let me return to the statement of the supreme leader and the necessity of the reaction of the belt of resistance countries against the zionist regime. the important point here is what the consequences and consequences of the inaction of this belt will be. what are the effects of the islamic republic of iran's response to the aggression of the zionist regime in the short term and of course the long term? well, it is really necessary to clarify the public opinion not with emotional analysis but with explanatory and deep analysis of what the scene is like in the islamic republic of iran. what is he doing and in what situation are we in? in my opinion, the summary of iran's politics by the leader of the islamic revolution in the friday prayer sermons yesterday in those two key words that he mentioned

is very brief and useful. they said two or three words iran will neither delay nor rush , in fact, we will avoid excesses. we must refrain from both analyzing the situation and taking action , and this is exactly what the islamic republic of iran is doing . this kind of deterrence should not be created, israel has shown that it will not have any limits , step by step. today, he boldly talks about the destruction of hezbollah and at the same time about other issues related to the islamic republic of iran in the words of the minister.

the prime minister of the zionist regime is speaking abroad . therefore, on the one hand, the resistance forces and the islamic republic of iran should try to use all available power capacities in all different fields, from military and security to political. and diplomatically , all tools should be used to create a suitable deterrent suitable for this current stage against the zionist regime to control its containment. on the other hand, the historical strategy of the islamic revolution and imam and leadership in relation to palestine should not be lost in the middle of these events. responsive solution in the palestinian scene according to the set of existing palestinian-israeli power equations. and there is a regional and international solution to the long-term erosion resistance strategy to impose gradual erosion on the zionist regime so that at a

suitable moment , the regime will be so worn out that a new order will be formed in palestine and a new situation will be created. may the obvious and natural rights of the palestinian nation be realized and a new order be formed in palestine. this is an issue that i mentioned many times during the gaza war . what israel is doing now is not an immediate operation it means that he wants to leave this table and deliver a new order. the new israeli order is that any actor other than the palestinians, first of all , the palestinians must suffer the highest losses through the massive killing and destruction of the work in gaza . to do secondly, any other external party that wants to support this strategy of resistance should be destroyed and

pay huge costs, its people should migrate, war conditions should be handed over to it. this is israel's strategy to impose massive costs on all palestinian allies and supporters of the palestinian resistance to leave the scene do it and he will be alone with the palestinian nation and now that mission is open. i believe that the mission would be impossible to pursue in better conditions, in fact, in an isolation of the palestinians. what we have to do is disrupt this israeli strategy and israel's effort to create this desired order. the same historical strategy of long-term erosion is the game and conditions and arrangements that will put israel in agony and make israel suffer gradual depreciation and erosion. so we are in a situation. in fact, we have to move between different blades of reality. israel must deterrence should be established against it and israel should continue to

be maintained in the conditions of long-term gradual erosion. israel should not succeed by opening a bigger conflict front to create the conditions that the strategy of resistance in its long-term and gradual sense will turn into an apocalyptic battle, a sharp conflict scene, which in fact, the israelis' bet is that in this bigger conflict, the american and the powers the world will also enter in some way and a stage will be created that will remove israel from the torture of the resistance strategy and will remove it from gradual depreciation . the israeli target will be imposed, i am not saying that it will happen, i am saying that israel is looking for such targeting, the horizon must be clear in front of me without losing the strategic path of the islamic republic of iran to the islamic revolution and the resistance in the region and the palestinian resistance by maintaining the necessary macro strategy of deterrence

in against israel and the war machine. israel must be created from lebanon to other circles, and it is in this context that operation true promise has two meanings . this operation is a part of this order, preventing the desired israeli order and imposing an israeli equation on palestine, the resistance and the republic islamic iran's attempt to counter-inverse deterrence against israel, curbing israel's war machine to enable the continuation of the usual strategy. gradual and erosive resistance against the zionist regime mr. dr. let me go back to a part of the lebanese foreign minister's statement during the recent days, which was mentioned that according to the request of countries such as france, germany, qatar, other european countries and the arab world, seyed hassan nasrallah was martyred by fire. bas had agreed on 21 days and this was announced to america and germany on the

26th. it was announced in september, but the ploy of the zionist regime led to the martyrdom of seyyed hassan nasrallah one day after the announcement of this agreement, first , let's talk about how true the basis of such words are, and secondly, that the trick and conspiracy of the zionist regime is based on a predetermined plan and a completely accurate and timed plan with the participation of other leaders. other countries or not. were they unaware of the trick and conspiracy of the zionist regime? in my opinion, we should say a few points very clearly and transparently to the public opinion and all our elites, to the extent that we understand. i share my opinion with my opinion. it is said a lot in iran and abroad that this netanyahu has one he follows the war plan for his own personal interests, this is not an accurate statement. netanyahu and the ruling team

in israel, the current team of personal interests. they are continuing this war, but the continuation of the war is the result of the summation of israel's military, security and political institutions, and even the opposition is united with the government in the main goals of continuing the war, and there is no difference between them . it is often said that there is a difference between america and israel. there is a huge gap, this is not accurate at all, and it is said that, especially after the special election conditions in america and the situation of biden and his resignation, the influence of the united states america has increased over israel. maybe there are some corners of the truth, aspects of the subject in this analysis, in this perception, but it is not really accurate. since the suez canal war in 1956, i have said many times, a strategic equation has been established in israel and has continued to this day that israel does not engage in any major war, related to war, or major foreign action

. and if sometimes there is no coordination with the presidents or a part of the political system of the united states , strategic coordination has always been done with the pentagon and in fact the deep government in the united states of america, so the idea that we think that there is a distance there is a deep, not the fact that the united states does not want to play the role of the good cop. the west and the united states of america have changed from the universities to the body of society and there is a new generation of electoral conditions. the democrats and the democratic team actually need the votes of the social platform that has been shaken due to the policy of supporting israel and the absolute support in the gaza war, so america always in the media and announcement position , it maintains a degree of distance from israel, but in the depth of the strategy that

israel. it is following the strategic needs of israel at this current moment and in this the current war is almost fully supported by the united states of america. in my opinion , it should be completely clear in these matters and we should know what kind of scene we are facing. the next point was in your question , and it is important . don't forget that in lebanon and before that in palestine, ravi is alone because of the circumstances. hizbollah is an exceptional situation. at the moment we are talking, we do not have the official version of hizbollah. now, the only version we have is the version of the lebanese foreign minister, who is assumed to be right unless proven otherwise, but in palestine already this way we have experienced that the hamas movement agreed to a ceasefire with the united states of america's biden plan for a ceasefire, and then israel played a game. in fact , it questioned the ceasefire agreement and eventually came, and in fact,

major assassinations until assassination.