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(music) >>amanda: new hampshire votes and decides something totally different than iowa. we'll recap that state's first in the nation primary as the field shrinks because of it. >>sabrina: and iowa democrats do some new caucus counting. after that our attention turns back to local. a statehouse rep straight ahead. (music) >>sabrina: thanks for joining us for this week in iowa. happy valentine's day everyone. i'm sabrina ahmed. >>amanda: happy valentine's

down, plenty to go. iowa and new hampshire's first in the nation caucus, some primary are now in the books. and this is how it all shook out on tuesday. donald trump the winner of the night on the republican side with 35% of the vote. rounding out the top 5, john kasich followed by ted cruz, jeb sh, and marco rubio who all basically tied when it comes to the amount of delegates awarded. and then on the democratic side of things a much wider margin of victory for bernie sanders. he got 60% of the vote over clinton. >>sabrina: two completely different winners than what came out of iowa. on the republican side that was ted cruz, and a squeaker of a victory for hillary clinton in iowa, only a couple tenths of a percent. and that led actually, that lead, excuse me, actually shrank after caucus night. the iowa democratic party ended up having to review some results from 14 different precincts where possible counting errors occurred. they found 5 instances where something actually did go wrong. we featured some of these

after retallying everything after some bad publicity and a scathing des moines register editorial, bernie sanders was bumped up point one percent of state delegate equivalence. hillary clinton went down about the same amount, but it didn't change the outcome. clinton still won the caucuses with 49.84% of the total vote. now the chair of the iowa democratic party, doctor andy mcguire is also saying she will convene a committee to look at ways to improve the caucus process. >>amanda: so we wondered are they worried at all about these issues affecting iowa's first in the nation status? the head of communications for the iowa democratic party was on our show last week to talk about that. >>sam: we had an historically close election that was preceded by a historically close election. >>amanda: yeah, true. >>sam: in some ways i think that shows how amazing iowa is. >>amanda: mmhmm. >>sam: because, you know, there were heavy favorites in both of those times and you wanna know what? iowans made the final call. they, to talk to them one-on-one, they had to travel all across our state. i think it

you know, lightning apparently does strike twice with close elections here in iowa (chuckling) >>sam: but i don't think that's something against iowa. i think that's something for iowa. >>amanda: right. >>sabrina: so this is when it get in-, gets interesting. what happens next? >>amanda: mmhmm. >>sabrina: later this month south carolina and nevada both vote. then it's super tuesday, march 1st with voting in more than a dozen states. >>amanda: yeah, it's a big day. (whooshing) >>amanda: so let's take a look at the latest national polls now as we head into more voting contests. these numbers are from quinnipiac's newest survey of republicans nationwide showing donald trump with 31% support to become the eventual nominee followed by ted cruz and marco rubio. and hillary clinton over bernie sanders 44% to 42%. that's a pretty slim lead for clinton. >>sabrina: yes, it is. >>amanda: up next we dive deeper into the democratic race. can hillary clinton avoid a 2008 repeat or could bernie sanders go all the way? and what's all this talk about super delegates

(music) >>sabrina: welcome back everyone. we're joined now by pat rynard, the man behind the

line. always carefully following the latest developments on the democratic side. pat, thanks so much for being here. >>pat: absolutely. >>sabrina: okay, so we just kind of covered this, but bernie sanders came out the clear winner tuesday in new hampshire. did that surprise you? >>pat: it didn't surprise me so much that he did so well but that clinton did so poorly. um, i mean ,to get beat by 22 points in a state that saved her last time around. i don't care if bernie sanders is the, from the neighboring state. it wasn't as big a deal as many people thought. that, that's just bad and it's surprising and disappointing that clinton has fallen back into the same 2008 messaging scheme that hurt her so badly last time. and she's doing it again with a party who's, that's moved even further to the left. >>amanda: yeah. >>pat: so i just don't understand why they think it's gonna go any differently. (chuckling) >>amanda: so with bernie coming in so closely in second place in iowa, then winning in new mpshire, you think he can continue this, that he'll have this momentum for awhile?

he's gonna have some very strong momentum which the, the most important part of that going into some states where clinton is thought to be strong is that when you have that excitement, when you have those wins, it causes people who are probably with clinton to step back and rethink it for a moment and, you know, give bernie sanders a closer look. and so i think he's going to start to make up his deficit with african-american voters in many of the southern states and probably latino ones, too, out in nevada. >>sabrina: okay. so we'll get back to minority voters in just a second and we'll also get back to clinton's campaign strategy which you mentioned a little bit. but first i do wanna talk about michael bloomberg. um, he said that if bernie sanders gets the nomination he'll run as an independent. is that looking more likely? and i mean, how >>pat: sure. >>sabrina: difficult of a race does he have if he decides to do that? >>pat: i have, i don't know who's (chuckling) >>pat: gonna be runnin' the draft bloomberg movement, um (laughing) >>pat: i, you know, i suppose if it's both sanders and trump there would be some room for

who's seen as a more, uh, rational or mainstream kinda candidate for folks who don't wanna go so far to the left or so far to whatever donald trump is. (chuckling) >>pat: um, and he'd certainly have enough money to, to run it. i just don't think that given what the, the dynamics of the country is right now that's brought trump and sanders to the forefront, i don't think that bloomberg is the one to come in to, to change that. >>sabrina: not the answer. >>amanda: let's go back to talking about hillary clinton. you mentioned that maybe she's fall, fallen back a little bit in her campaign style. and you don't maybe like to see that that much. what would you say she needs to do then? (music) >>pat: i think she needs to present a more forward thinking >>mrs. clinton: thank you. >>pat: a more forward thinking >>mrs. clinton: wow! thanks so much. >>pat: type of overall vision for country >>mrs. clinton: thank you all. >>pat: and not make it so much about herself >>mrs. clinton: thank you. >>pat: and her own qualifications which are already quite apparent. i think she needs to move away from the >>mrs. clinton: hello, burlington. (chuckling) >>pat: you know, feminism message.

>>pat: not that it's a bad message. it's just that all the people who would vote based on that type of stuff are already with her anyway so it's not like she's reaching out to anybody new. so i think she needs to, to maybe make it a little bit more about the kind of economic and equality stuff that sanders does, but i think just have a general sense of where, where the democratic party is gonna move the country moving forward in one cohesive message as opposed to lots of little issue points here and there. >>sabrina: well, even in the debate on thursday night and in many other instances she keeps bringing up president obama saying that she's the clear successor to obama. >>pat: right. >>sabrina: does, does that, she even is using one of the staffers who helped him get the reelection in 2012. >>pat: correct. yeah. >>sabrina: as of yet, as of recent. so, um, i mean, is that helping or is that going to hurt her? >>pat: you know, one of the big debates i think that the democratic party hasn't had that it needs to have is was barack obama a good president? because there are a lot of democrats who aren't, who aren't happy with the lack of progress made under his administration especially when

and the house during, during his first two years. and that's not something a lot of people voice in public because it's just too easy to go after him and say oh, you're saying bad things about barack obama. and apparently that's just sacrilege now to say anything like that. but there are a lot of democrats, a lot of progressives who have looked at the past 6 years and just seen a whole lot of gridlock and yeah, we had a democrat and yeah, they like obama. but he just didn't get it done. so do we need a new approach to get more done? >>amanda: alright. let's talk about super delegates. and about a minute before we head to break here. you had a blog out this week entitled dear clinton backers, for the love of god don't talk about super delegates. (chuckling) >>sabrina: great blog, by the way. >>pat: yeah. (chuckling) >>amanda: so we wanted to do a quick count here. clinton has 394 delegates locked up right now because of pledge super delegates compared to sanders' 42. you need more than 2,300 to win the nomination. >>sabrina: okay. so super delegates are those higher up party members who can swing support one way or the other, that can kind of go against the popular vote potentially.

>>sabrina: um, in the 2008 election, clinton assured donors that she had those super delegates locked up. of course in the end she lost the nomination. >>pat: right. >>sabrina: i mean, are we seeing this all over again? is this deja vu? >>pat: it is. and i mean, you just saw those numbers. they look terrible. i mean, she lost big in one state and just barely won another one. and she's leading big time in, in the delegate count. and that's just, it, it, it just, the optics of it look so bad. i mean, look. it's not her fault that super delegates exist. and if those are the rules of the game then you go after what the delegates are. but it's not like it's gonna end where sanders is just barely ahead and the super delegates put her over the top. if it did it'd be a disaster. so you might as well just say like i, i don't care about super delegates and get rid of that really bad storyline because that storyline really hurt her last time around. even worse now with this whole establishment stuff that bernie sanders is attacking. >>amanda: right. let's quickly talk about the importance of minority voters and how you think they'll help her or bernie sanders. >>pat: so it, it's fascinating

forward and how hillary clinton's base of support has switched from 2008 where barack obama won a lot of the southern states based on many african-americans voting for him for obvious reasons whereas it looks like that's gonna be a much stronger base for clinton this time. so she may end up doing better in southern states. bernie sanders may end up doing better in the rust belt, midwestern states, ohio and pennsylvania because of his economic message. but i do think that sanders, you know, the more he, he works those communities, the, the more people are gonna come around to him, you know, especially when he's seen with the black lives matter movement in the last couple years that, you know, a lot of minority communities in the country has gotten a lot more radicalized and a lot more focused on, on inequality issues more on the economic side. and that, that plays well into sanders' message. >>amanda: . >>sabrina: and of course being from vermont that doesn't really help him because >>pat: yeah. no.

state. >>pat: right. right. (chuckling) >>sabrina: yeah. okay. well, thank you very much, pat. >>pat: mmhmm. yeah. >>sabrina: we'll join you in just a few minutes as well. (music) >>sabrina: but coming up next our attention turns to the republican race and the big winners from new hampshire. but who can keep the momentum going as we get closer to the sec

(music) >>amanda: welcome back everyone. we're joined now by craig robinson from the iowa republican blog to talk about what's going on in the republican side of the race. thanks for being here first of all. so let's check on the running delegate count. first of all, donald trump leading here with 17, but of course there's a long way to go. (chuckling) >>amanda: you need more than 1,200 delegates to win the republican nomination. >>sabrina: alright. so let's talk trump. back in the summer who would've predicted that he'd be more than a passing fling over the conservative base? now he's a true, tried and true frontrunner. do you think that the top brass in the republican party thinks this is a big problem for the general election? i mean, can he actually win the nomination? >>craig: yeah, i think they're starting to come to grips with

to remember is is iowa and new hampshire should've been the two states that would've been the most difficult for trump. and, you know, he cleared the hurdle pretty easily in new hampshire. and even though he didn't win iowa, and the polls showed that he was leading, i still think >>mr. trump: oh, wow! >>craig: getting 45,000 votes >>mr. trump: wow, wow! >>craig: in iowa which would've set a record had ted cruz not surpassed that by even more. >>amanda: mmhmm. >>craig: i still think that was an impressive finish for him in iowa. those, the first two states should've been difficult and instead it launched him very much in the same way it launched mitt romney 4 years ago. >>amanda: let's talk about kasich for a second. someone who didn't do well in iowa, but he won second place in new hampshire. maybe surprising for iowans to learn that because he was basically off the radar here, and he wasn't here a lot. but he did spend a lot of time in new hampshire. and, so do you think that was a good strategy for him? he, i don't wanna say he ignored iowa, but more or less. >>craig: clearly it was the right move >>amanda: mmhmm. >>craig: i think to focus his resources and time in new hampshire. and, you know, his

almost getting as much coverage as you would've received had he won because trump's win was kinda guaranteed going into the evening. um, the big question for kasich is moving forward. where, where does he have the ability to win again and to, and to build on this momentum? i think south carolina's tough. nevada's gonna be tough for him. so the big question is is where does he go from here? >>sabrin but he does have christie's big backer who ken langone who was, is the founder of home depot? >>craig: mmhmm. >>sabrina: huge gop backer. now he's backing kasich. i mean, now he's gonna start getting a little bit more momentum from maybe the establishment. >>craig: yeah, but as we've seen in this race money is something you definitely wanna have. but ask jeb bush how, how that's helped. (chuckling) >>craig: i mean, jeb bush has run a lot of tv ads, put a lot of stuff in my mailbox. uh, but doesn't have a lot to show for it today. and so south carolina becomes this very interesting state as i think it'll decide where do we go from here? is

maybe who, and we, i think we're confident in knowing that it's ted cruz and donald trump, but who's the third? and i think that's what south carolina will determine. >>amanda: let's talk about ted cruz who of course won the iowa caucuses. he did place third in new hampshire. here we are going into the southern states that are more religious. how do you think he's gonna fare? >>craig: well, i think new hampshire was always gonna be difficult. and i think he was able to get a third place finish because of how muddled up the more establishment side of the lane was in new hampshire. and so, um, you know, we forget mike huckabee finished third place with about 10% of the vote in new hampshire in 2008 and everyone thought why on earth are you spending time there? i mean, you're kinda forced there, to go there with debates and all the media coverage. >>amanda: mmhmm. >>craig: but, so i think he benefited from how many people were still in this race. south carolina's much more fertile territory for him. but again, it's more complex because you have, not only do you have trump, it's, you also have this military vote in south

have some establishment bush ties there. jeb's bringing his brother in to campaign. gonna be fascinating to watch. everyone's goin' all out to, to do something in, in south carolina. so it's gonna be important for cruz to win it. >>amanda: mmhmm. >>craig: and if not win it, lose it closely. >>sabrina: okay. so let's talk about the people who have dropped out because, you know, new hampshire and iowa did whittle down the field a little bit. most recently carly fiorina and chris christie dropping out. where does that support go and who do you foresee being the next to drop out? >>craig: yeah. i think that, um, i don't know if their support, when you, when you think about, they're moving on to these other states. and the race really becomes this compacted, you know, 7 week, 7 day, 10 day contest instead of a, you know, we get him for a year. (chuckling) >>sabrina: right. right. >>craig: we're spoiled. i think moving forward, um, the people to watch are kind of, you know, the ben carson's of the world, even a jeb bush. i mean, jeb bush has the money and a super pac, but he doesn't have the, the wins, you know, the

sustainability in the race moving forward. >>amanda: what about >>craig: and kasich as well. >>amanda: what about marco rubio who was a big headline coming out of iowa but then he had these flubs in the debate? do you think that's gonna affect him at all? >>craig: i think south carolina's critical. i think that he has to show that momentum again. i think he has a much better campaign infrastructure in south carolina than he had in either iowa or new hampshire. so that's good. but he had a head of steam going into new hampshire and we saw not just what a, a debate performance does, a poor debate performance, but all the media coverage of it. >>amanda: mmhmm. >>craig: and even with the super bowl the next day >>sabrina: uh-huh. >>craig: everyone was talking about marco rubio's robotic answers and they got robots following him on the campaign trail now. that's never good. >>sabrina: so in the end it really, a lot of it comes down to south carolina. >>craig: yes. absolutely. and the gop race for sure. >>amanda: alright, craig, thanks so much. (music) >>amanda: coming up next, since national politics are simmering down here in iowa, we will be

everyone. well, now that the national spotlight has kind of dimmed on iowa we can turn our attention back to some of the issues that probably matter a whole lot more to the lives of everyday iowans. >>amanda: yes. and those are things that are decided each and everyday at the iowa statehouse. and there was some movement this week against the governor's plan to privatize medicaid. it's mainly senate democrats who are leading this charge to stop from changing over to this managed care system. they are getting a little bit of republican support. let me ask you guys in your opinion. is there any way that this train that is the privatization of medicaid, can it be derailed at all? >>craig: i think it's very difficult and i think it's very difficult because you have a republican governor and you have a republican house. >>amanda: mmhmm. >>craig: and so i think the democrats are raising a valid point here. and i think it's, it's fair criticism of the governor's plan. but in terms of changing things you already have the governor throwing out the threat of a veto. you have speaker upmeyer saying that, you know, she's not even gonna bring up this because of that veto threat.

is a lot of politics. but maybe a discussion that's worth having. >>amanda: mmhmm. are you surprised at all that there were 3 senate republicans who signed onto this? does that surprise you, pat? >>pat: no. maybe those 3 and not just 1 or 2. but it's, you know, it clearly shows that there's, there's bipartisan opposition to this. >>amanda: mmhmm. >>pat: it's too bad that they won't be able to take it up in the house because i think it would be absolutely fascinating to see how many republicans break ranks on it. >>amanda: i agree. (chuckling) >>sabrina: do you think, do you think any house republicans will, you know, demand that it be brought up? >>craig: um, i think that's probably not gonna happen. i think they're pretty, they close ranks pretty fast in the house. >>pat: part of the problem is a lot of their moderate members are retiring this year so >>sabrina: okay. >>pat: they, they don't need to to help themselves out in their elections. >>sabrina: here's another interesting development out of this medicaid situation is that former governor chet culver has reemerged on the state political stage holding town halls to discuss branstad's plan. so what's he doin? (chuckling) >>amanda: what is he up to?

>>pat: yeah, i, i don't know. (laughing) >>pat: it's kinda interesting especially since he was out in cedar rapids. he mentioned out there that he was gonna do similar events in sioux city and in davenport. so he's hitting all of the major media markets around the state which makes you wonder, and it's not like anybody was asking him to do this, anybody on the democratic party side was, you know, hey chet culver, go out to these different places for us on medicaid. so one could think that it's to maybe set himself up for a future run. >>sabrina: for what, though? >>pat: yeah. >>craig: i think this is a run for governor. >>pat: yeah. >>amanda: really! >>sabrina: really? >>craig: a reemergence. another comeback campaign. and you gotta remember. chet culver is a good centrist democrat who can raise money. and i think that matters more than anything. there's a lot of names that could run for governor in iowa on the democrat bench. but culver's the one that has the fundraising network and, and those kinda more mainstream democrat positions that i think he would be a tough candidate to beat in a, a

republican. >>sabrina: you think that's more so than a congressional run? >>craig: yeah. i, i think he has shown his hand here that he's not necessarily interested, uh, in a congressional campaign. i think if, if we were talking about the u.s. senate might be a little different. >>pat: mmhmm. >>craig: but he needs to take a step and so his reemergence into politics i find to be fascinating. >>sabrin wow. me, too! >>manda: alright. (chuckling) >>amanda: thanks guys very much. we'll be right back on this

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happen during the iowa caucuses. this is a 600-pound pig spotted outside a new hampshire primary polling place on tuesday. (chuckling) >>sabrina: that's right. he escaped from a nearby farm. >>amanda: aw. >>sabrina: yummy. alright. (chuckling) >>sabrina: happy valentine's day everyone. thanks for watching. >>amanda: we'll see you again next sunday. (dramatic music) b: hello and welcome to ag phd. i'm brian hefty. d: and i'm darren hefty. thanks for joining us today. we've been talking about nutrients through the fall and winter and one of the micronutrients that really is misunderstood is boron. people are nervous about