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captioning sponsored by cbs nation," things are getting bleaker for donald trump, and a closer look at what makes a successful president. plus the city of milwaukee erupts overnight in violence, following the shooting death of an armed man by police. >police. it's been another week of zigs and zags for donald trump. incendiary comments and then backtracking, sort of. >> if she gets to judges, nothing you can do, folks. although, the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. isis is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis. he is the founder of isis. >> dickerson: some said he's just kidding, but republicans worry they're headed for defeat. and even the candidate acknowledges the tough road ahead. >> , you know, the republicans do have a tougher path. not my fault!

>> dickerson: and increasingly raises the possibility of lose. >> can you imagine how badly i'll feel if i spent all of that money, all of this energy, all of this time, and lost. i will never, ever forgive the people of connecticut. i will never forgive the people of florida. and pennsylvania, and ohio. but i love them anyway. we'll see well. >> dickerson: hillary clinton has her own problems as new e-mails surface that show a cozy relationship between the state department and the clinton foundation. we've got new battleground tracker numbers. republican senator susan collins tells us why she's not supporting trump. and we'll have a discussion of presidential attributes, just what skills does a candidate need in the nation's top job? it's all ahead on "face the nation." good morning, and welcome to

we've got a lot of political news ahead, but last night, milwaukee, wisconsin, was the scene of violent protest after police officers shot and killed an armed man fleeing police who stopped him for what police called suspicious activity. cbs news milwaukee affiliate wdjt reporter, amanda porterfield, filed this report from last night's scene. >> reporter: we have video of people setting dumpsters on fire and throwing bricks at buses a in fact, a crowd of people, a large crowd of, i'd say about 50 people, crowded around our news car. they started cursing at us, calling us names, tell us that we're not from here. we're hearing profanities against police. we have pictures of police cars that have been smashed with bricks, one allegedly set on fire. there have been reports of a gas station and possibly another

our news crews have been out there. they came back bloodied and bruised. people attacked them. they were robbed down to their shoes. >> dickerson: turning to campaign 2016, we have new battleground tracker numbers from three key states, starting with florida. hillary clinton leads donald trump by five points, 45 to 40%. georgia is traditionally a red state, but at this point in the campaign, it's closer than usual. hillary clinton is down just four points. more. donald trump is at 45, and clinton at 41. and new hampshire seems to be moving towards the blue column. hillary clinton now leads donald trump 45 to 36. there are only 85 days left until the election, so we turn to cbs news director of elections, anthony salvanto. anthony, give us a sense of your feeling about the overall picture of the election right now. >> when we look across all the states, john, hillary clinton now has a big enough lead in enough of these battleground

in fall-- and that's an if-- then she's in position to get elected, to win. you know, what you see in battleground after battleground now-- and new hampshire is a perfect example. we had that-- where we expect them to be close because they're always close and she's knot this big edge. if she holds it in the fall, we might not actually call them battlegrounds anymore. for donald trump, what this sets up for him, he doesn't just have to flip a close state here and there in order to win. he now has to a lot of states in order to be in position for him to win come fall. >> dickerson: so it's a steeper climb for him in these traditional states, or if they fall off contention altogether, that means his path to victory is really narrow. >> it's really narrow and i'll give you an example out of new hampshire of how tough this looks from here. so we asked people who aren't voting for donald trump, would you consider voting for him? and among women, when whom he is

women who are not voting for him, the number who say, yes, they would consider it is zero. and the number who say maybe is 9%. so if you're at zero in the number of people who will consider you going forward, that just emphasizes what a tough hill it is. >> dickerson: and so what's his big challenge, donald trump's big challenge right now in the polls, as you see it? >> well, he's got a couple, and one is he's behind schedule, if you will, in rallying his own base, his own partisans. there areub fallen away. they haven't all shifted en mass to hillary clinton. the more undecide, unsure. but he is in the mid-70s, about 70-odd percent among republicans, whereas you compare that to hillary clinton, who is up, for example, in new hampshire, at 93% of democrats. so we're in a very partisan environment anyway, you have to get in the 90s with your base. that emphasizes one key challenge. >> dickerson: this week the conversation was donald trump

ranks, your poll numbers seem to show that in the regular people, in terms of not sticking with him. >> yes and she it's different from in the primaries. in the primaries, the voters said they didn't care what republican leaders said and did about donald trump, but here you have a much larger electorate that tell you in the polls that they do care somewhat. >> dickerson: what's his other challenge? >> he's got-- when you look at the number of people who are willing to swing, who are going back and forth, it's very small. it's still very small, because those undecideds have at this point shifted to hillary clinton. in fact, here's another small number for you. the number of folks who say that they feel like they have two good choices in this-- in this race is 1%. now, that's not to say hillary clinton isn't without some issues of her own. in fact, if i told you a couple of months ago that she'd be trailing donald trump in some of these states on ability to fix the economy, on honest and trustworthy, you might say she'd be trailing.

and these judgment and temperament questions that trump has been facing, that are showing up in the polls. and that, in particular, is what's weighing him down. >> dickerson: so while hillary clinton has lots of weakness, voters picking temperament as the thing for them right now-- and it's hurting donald trump-- that's the thing that's guiding their vote the most. >> exactly. you've got seven in 10 folks in florida, for example, who feel like he does not have the judgment and temperament to be and that's really serving as an anchor on him, and hillary clinton is also beating him there, as she has been, on the commander in chief test. so that's where the campaign has gone. when you see those other metrics, like fixing the economy, you see in some sense for donald trump the campaign that might have been or that might still be if he were to shift the focus to emphasize on those issues. but as long as it's on that temperament and judgment, that's what's become an anchor for him. >> dickerson: final question is this week donald trump said some exciting things then

parsing his more intendary comments? >> well, we asked about that, and most of them feel it's irresponsible. there's only a minority that feel like he's joking. among his supporters, they say they think he's telling it like it is. but that's only 20-odd percent. so when you see a majority saying that they feel like that's-- those are irresponsible comments, that he's not joking, that then goes to that judgment and temperament metric that's become such the >> dickerson: all right, anthony salvanto, thanks, as always. we'll see you again real soon. >> thanks, john. >> dickerson: we're joined now by republican senator susan collins, who joins us from portland, maine. senator, last week you wrote in the "washington post" that you could not support donald trump. you said you realized that donald trump was never going to change. what tipped it for you? >> the tipping point for me was when he attacked the parents of the fallen soldier.

anyone, much lesa presidential candidate, would not honor the sacrifice and empathize with a family who lost a son in war. instead, he attacked them and attacked their religion. it was so difficult a decision for me, because i'm a lifelong republican, and i wanted to and expected to be able party's nominee. but the barrage of comments and the attacks on people who are vulnerable and unable to fight back really troubled me. >> dickerson: so what you've talked about is what some of his supporters would say is his kind of blunt way of behaig. what's going to be responsible for allowing him to shake up washington. and he's not a lifelong politician so, you know, maybe

so why are they-- why are they wrong in making that case? >> when you look at the challenges that we're facing at home and abroad, we need a president who has the judgment, the temperament, the knowledge, and the self-control to lead our country and to be the symbol of our country. i know that it is appeal to people that donald trump has jettisoned the politically correct, stilted campaign speeches that frustrate voters. but the problem is that there's a big difference between that and treating people with respect and common decency. and there's where, in my judgment, donald trump has failed. >> dickerson: so when you made this decision to write about this, this week, did you let the trump campaign know or the republican national committee know oring anything like that?

national committee know, and i placed a call to eyewitnes rein, and i let the senate majority leader and state party leaders know. >> dickerson: did they try to talk you out of it? >> no, i think they understood that this was a decision that i, like many americans, really struggled with. donald trump was not my choice in the primary, and i also and change and that we would see a new donald trump after the primary. instead, the constant barrage of the ill-informed and cruel comments continued. and that is just not what we need to heal the divisions in our country right now. >> dickerson: one of the criticisms of those who have taken the stance that you have is that you're basically helping to elect hillary clinton.

hillary clinton, i would have endorsed her. i'd be working for her, and i'd be voting for her. i'm not doing any of those things. i, unfortunately, cannot support either major party candidate, and i'm taking a look at the libertarian ticket because it's headed by two former republican governors who are very successful governors, bill weld, the head of that tic for me because i know him well and respect him a great deal. so i may go that route or i may end up writing in the name of the person they think is best qualified to be our next president. >> dickerson: if, as a senator, you will you make the case then-- i know you're not voting for hillary clinton-- will you make the case then that it's important to have a republican senate as a check against hillary clinton if it looks like she's going to be the

i have assured party leaders that i'm going to continue to work for republican candidates all across this country. i believe it's essential that we have a republican senate and a republican house, and i'm going to do all that i can to bring that about. that is absolute an important check on whom ever becomes the next president. >> dickerson: all right, senator collins, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you, john. >> dickerson presidency with some who have actually served in administrations, what skills make a good president is what we're looking for. if we know that, maybe we'll know what to look for in the candidates asking for the job. tom ridge is the former republican governor of pennsylvania and served as the first homeland security secretary when it was formed after 9/11. william cohen is a former republican senator from maine who served as defense secretary under democrat bill clinton. he is now a consultant and sits

retired air force general michael hayden served as head of the n.s.a., and c.i.a., and is now a principal with the chertoff group in washington. rosa brooks now has a book out "how everything became war and the military became everything." and former utah republican governor mike leavitt who served as secretary of health and human serviceservices and head of the. he joins governor, i want to start with you. if we think of the campaign as a job interview and you were all here to hire this new president what, are you going to look for? what should you look for? a good metaphor to think about the white house and the job of the presidency would be an air traffic controller with 500 planes in the air at any given moment, all of which think they're about ready to run out of fuel or need to make an emergency landing. there's a lot happening. there's a lot of voices.

the temperament-- that's a word that's been used a lot today-- but has the ability to operate in an orderly way, that has a history of making good decisions for fire, and that can deal with an atmosphere where there's going to be a lot of conflicting voices and people saying unpleasant things about him or her, and respond to them in an appropriate fashion. >> dickerson: secretary ridge, what are you looking for? >> in addition to everything michael who has the leadership qualities that combine respect from the body politic, republicans and democrats, alike. someone who projects an empathy and a humanity. i remember when jack kemp used to say, people don't care what you know until they know what you care." and we need somebody that kind of projects that image to americans. and we need a president-- frankly, we need a candidate who is the same person as a

one of the candidates we have. and ultimately, we need someone that's decisive, with good intuiz, with really good intuition. mike mentioned all these challenges. it's the most complex 21st century i think any-- i don't think any president will have inherited a more complex world, whether the global economy, the currently of terrorism, and we need somebody to listen to different points of view and be devicive once he or she decides to me >> dickerson: secretary cohen? >> i think he should have or she should have access to good information and exercise judgment wisely. so someone who thinks deeply about serious issues and who speaks clearly and uses language to educate, to inspire, and not to inflame. and i would say that the commander in chief, given all

who are also wise, seasoned, and will give you advice and not be simply "yes" men and women, but be willing to challenge you on crucial issues to say that you are wrong and need to change. so it requires a number of things, but i think having facts, information, know, wisdom, and the ability to change your mind based upon the advice that you're getting from other people. >> perspective, what do you think? >> you know, in 2008, when i was comparing, as a democrat, hillary clinton and barack obama, and everyone said clinton's experienced, obama's inexperienced, i thought oh, experience doesn't matter. we need fresh faces. we need fresh ideas. and i've sort of come to regret feeling that way after working inside the government for a while, that we have this great government which is sometimes badly broken but has these possibilities of brilliance and wonderfulness in it.

the levers that make that government work or not work, and how to get the best out of the people, many of whom are talented people-- some of whom are not-- who work in the federal government, it's really hard to get things done. and the same is true, i think, for the hill. i think i've come to believe that experience in understanding the nitty-gritty aspects of what makes government work is really vital. >> dickerson: general, what's your contribution? >> well, first off, let me second all the ideas that have but i boil is down to my most critical conversations with the president which have been about covert action. and that temperament, honesty, integrity thing really matters. when you're talking to the president about a covert-- it's covert fair reason. because, frankly, operationally, ethically, legally, the course ahead isn't all that clear. so when i'm talking to a president about that, i'm representing all the men and women at the central

know that i'm talking to a decent human being. i want to know that i'm talking to someone who baldly reflects the values of the country that we want to defend. >> dickerson: all right, we'll come back and talk about that decision-making moment in a second. but we've got to take a break and we'll be back with more from

>> dickerson: we're back now with more on what attributes make a good president. secretary cohen, i want to ask you about this idea of telling the president no. time and again, people say that's a crucial thing, somebody-- talk about that a little bit, who can tell the president no. >> i've worked with five presidents during my career. four of those five i was able to meet with them and present an alternative idea. it goes back to jimmy carter, president carter, made a campaign pledge, for example, he was going to pull 5,000 troops out of south korea. i had just come back from meeting with the president of south korea, along with senator nunn, hart, and john glen.

and said this could in fact trip a wire by you pulling those 5,000 troops out. to his credit, he listened to us, and he changed. that was one example of being able to go to a president and say, "mr. president, you're making a mistake." and i can give you an example with president reagan and certainly bill clinton as well, and having that ability to go to president clinton and say, "mr. president, we need," or "we need to do this, and the he would be willing to listen me. >> dickerson: secretary ridge, when it comes to telling a president what to do, it seems like waving a wand and things will happen. give us a sense of the pace and timing in the real world. >> i would add a couple of things, a quick thought to what bill said. the moment the president has to make a decision, he's going to get advice yeasuspicious and nay, and i remember conflicting

potential terrorist threat involving commercial aviation. some thought it was a serious and credible threat, others didn't think it was credible. he listened to every word, and he distilled it down to the least common denominator. would any of you get on that plane you? need an intuition and introspection that i think is critical in the decision-making process. the process itself is sometimes i think is too slow. the advance of the 21st century moves a lot more quickly than i think the decision-making process in the white house works. sometimes you have the aassistant principals and the principals meet and then you get the secretaries to scmet it can take months for decision making for a memorandum. and another thing i think the president in the 21st century has to do is expedite that process. the 21st century moves much more quickly. the information-gathering process has traditionally by the

the transuition mitt romney, if he were to be elected. he was a businessman. you are a businessman. is it possible to take the inefficiencies of business and get them into government to break through some of the bureaucracies? >> a willingness to make crisp decisions is an important attribute. on the other hand, government works ditchly than business. in business, you're often able be to make decisions based on your own intuition, whereas in government, there's an old phrase pancake, there are always two sides." ( laughter ) a willingness to listen to those sides and have the discipline-- i remember one day in the oval office i had a meeting and i had a moment with the president, and i thought there's another matter i want to talk to him about. i want to push my point of view. and to his credit he said, let's let the process unfold here. i'd like to see it at all once." that's the kind of discipline that good decision-making, when you have all of those decision

emergency, but there are a lot of distribute decision making that takes place because there's so much there, and it's happening all simultaneously. there has to be an order about it. and a person willing to operate within that order and delegate to many other people parts that can be, but waiting for that essential moment when you have the information and can make the right decision. >> dickerson: all right, thank you, governor. we're going to be right back, flip some more pancakes, but for

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