but i don't think he had a mean bone in his body. there is not a day that i don't think about david. when i saw donald trump attack another gold star mother, i felt such a sense of outrage. "she was standing there, she had nothing to say..." if donald trump cannot respect a gold star family, then why would anyone in america think he would respect them.

>> dickerson: debuts another version of trump. just 78 days left in the race, can he turn his campaign around in time. the new donald trump apology thursday. >> sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, yo and believe it or not, i regret it. >> dickerson: we'll hear from reince priebus. and jeff sessions along with pennsylvania voters who once supported trump that are now waivering. what will it take to win them back? >> initially being authentic was great. >> dickerson: as hillary clinton gains in some polls -- >> even though we're doing fine

anybody anywhere for granted. >> dickerson: we'll hear from her campaign manager about their strategy for the fall. and we'll take a look at the state of play in the battleground states with new battleground tracker polls. plus, the authors of the "washington post" comprehensive new biography hon donald trump. and our political panel, all ahead on "face the nation." good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we have new battleground tracker numbers from tw in ohio, hillary clinton is up 46% to 40 over donald trump. that is a two-point increase from july. just before the convention. and in iowa, it's even at 40% each. cbs news elections director is here, anthony, what does it mean? >> ohio, which is so critical to donald trump he sees it moving more towards hillary clinton. she's made gains with women. she continues to do better with her democratic base than trump

in fact, last we talked to these folks earlier this summer, there were some democrats who were considering donald trump, they're gone now. they of a all gone to hillary clinton. and the other thing here, you look at iowa, where they are even but iowa in some respects just spot plight some of donald trump's larger problems, iowa is older. iowa is a less diverse state. donald trump does very well with those kinds of voters, in fact among older voters it's an outlook issue as much demographics. older voters say that they feel american life is changing for the worse. >> dickerson: of these two states ohio is likely to be more like the other states in which he's competing, what is saw bit of special case which turns us to the larger map. what is the -- what's the state of the race in that larger map in those battleground states. >> it's a lot of blue. a lot of democratic blue. we started race identifying at least 11 states that we thought

way. we look across that map now, and hillary clinton is leading most times outside the margin of error in poll after poll in state after state. it underlines donald trump's central issue here, he has to not just swing a few toss ups, he's got 20 die back now states, ohio, florida, north carolina, virginia, probably couple much others in which hillary clinton has a substantial lead. >> dickerson: what does he do to come back in places like ohio, virginia, colorado, those margin of error. >> you got to change is voter's mind. what would it take to reconsider donald trump? there were a number of voters who said that they might, not a lot. but enough, the top answer there is, show me he's ready to be commander in chief. that's been one of the things that really weighed down his poll numbers to this point. the other thing is, they like to see him apologize to the people that he's offended. now, in some sense that puts him

apologize for at all. >> dickerson: and so, what we see and what you've outlined is basically what the campaign has been doing, trying to touch those things s. there a group that he has particular trouble with? >> you know, let's call them the reluctant republicans. in all of these states, you find not only under performing with republicans, but they tend to be a little more moderate. tend to be women. they are not yet sold on donald trump. they are month can lie likely to call him a risky choi. hillary clinton and don't have much good to say there's one piece where they are more likely to say they think hillary clinton not always treated fairly. i think that puts donald trump in a bit of a box. as he tries to go after them. >> dickerson: if he attacks hillary clinton he offends those voters who worry that she's being treated unfairly. give us a little more detail on hillary clinton, but she's got weaknesses herself.

donald trump look like that risky choice which is one of the objectives. but her numbers on so many other things are really low. her honest and trustworthy numbers continue to be down, it's stayed there. people think that she is under the influence of donors, of foreign donors. i think this all connects to a larger issue, which is, we started this year people were looking for an outsider. and you connect the dots through all that, people who think that she's connected to big donors are the ones most likely think she doesn't tell the truth. so there's still that suspicion, that skepticism that her campaign as yet to address. >> dickerson: all right, anthony, thanks for being with us. republican strategist and cbs news construct utter frank luntz led a focus group discussion in pennsylvania and our cameras were there. many participants once supported donald trump but don't support him now. how did trump lose them and can he regain their support?

one, two, three, four, five. six. how many of you at some point in the campaign at least lean towards donald trump, raise your hands. almost all of you. so, what happened? >> he was my first choice. but just along the way, i can say he's lost me. i'm not saying a chance of turning, but he's become outrageous. we all have >> when he initially began to run, he gave voice to a lot of the frustration, is that i was feeling about how government is working or more to the point not working. but since then, he's been running at a 12-year-old and changes his positions every news cycle. you don't know where he stands on the issues. >> i almost think last couple of weeks he might be second guessing us, because he even said like a week ago, it's okay

bizarre comments. i'm wonderings he serious about it? >> whenever somebody makes derogatory comment like in the democratic convention, trump feels like he needs to attack that person. and he says things that are crazy. i keep asking myself street this the kind ever attention i want to handle the nuclear codes. >> what's the answer? >> no way. >> i think the traction that he first got because of the issues that he chose to focus on, i think he issues that were drawing people, everybody knows donald trump and he's flamboyant. but the more he made it about his personality, the less likely that i'm going to -- seems like everybody else is going in the same direction, started out as trump but moved away. now, last couple of weeks i've seen back to the issues that gives me a little bit more hope for him. but he's yo-yod back and forth i

voting for him if the in the fall raise your hands. if it's a possibility for you, more than half of you. what does he have to do? >> got to get back to the issues and solve the problem. >> he can't solve it. >> not solve it. but got to give us a plan of what he -- some kind of plan of action of what he would like to do. >> he's already done the economic plan. he's already done the national security plan, what do you want? that and stop attacking people and acting erratically. >> we're looking for leadership that inspires all of us to be greater than ourselves. i'm looking for the things he says that are scripted even the teleprompter that he makes fun of but now uses. but also unscripted things like debates, see how he reacts under pressure when he goes one on one with hillary. >> eek foes using on what he wants to say and trying tim press people. right now, initially being authentic i was great.

of himself. he needs to pull can. >> don't you think you have the right to know who he really he is. >> yes. but i think no one gives you 100% of themselves. especially at this stage. >> don't you want 100%? >> i want his best foot forward. it's a job interview. this is not how you would be behave when you're going to a job interview by throwing tantrums and calling the interviewer names or the other applicant. >> how can you have such a consider casting your ballot? please explain it. >> because the other candidate is unfavorable in my estimation. and i don't have another choice and i don't want to give up my vote. because i think that would be worse not to vote. >> the point of showmanship is over, wanted to see some policy details, see that you have a staff. that you're going to have a cabinet. those are important choices. >> president is not by himself, he's led by a lot of good

good advisors. >> it doesn't want him to be nominated. >> the republicans are against glim yes, his own party is not totally supporting glim why do you think that is? >> because of his outrageousness. i think they find it embarrassing. >> do you? >> another times, yes. it's neighborhood comprehend. for me it's hard to understand also like with all this going on all the negative feedback they aren't reeling him in or explain the damage that he's doing by the way he's acting. >> dickerson: joining sus chairman of the republican national committee, reince priebus, you heard those voters there, they were on the trump train they have now got in off, what would you advise mr. trump having heard that? >> i think that keep doing what he's been doing over the last ten days, which i think he's shown maturity, that he's growing in his role, he's a person who has never run for public office.

interesting intro that you had there. because you have a choice in this election. this election is about choice, someone who is not politically correct, who at times has said some harsh things, even he admitted. versus someone who lies with incredible skill and grace. and so, the questions whether or not in the fall makings the case of the american people that the outsider, which is what the american people want, they want that outsider. they want that donald trump presents. not hillary clinton. but they also need to know that it's going to be a safe product. i think if you look at the last week and a half, i think donald trump understands it. i think he's being consistent. i think if he continues down this track you're going to see more polls like iowa happening where things tighten down, get to the first debate and america is given that great choice. >> dickerson: they want a safe product. what he doing to make people feel safe?

fantasy. it's very difficult, i don't care how good you are as a speaker, i've been doing this for six years. people like hillary clinton have been doing it for 30 years. it's very difficult to get in front of a crowd with no notes and speak for 45 minutes. and so -- >> dickerson: that's what -- caused him to do so well in the primaries. >> but also had 16 people running. and there was a lot of things happening. but, look, what i'm excited about is the fact that i k focused in on this campaign and you look at the differences between hillary clinton who -- we're talking about doj not taking action after the fbi asked them to and investigating the clinton foundation. you have someone who's public persona is cast in stone. i believe that donald trump's upside is far greater than hillary clinton's upside. >> dickerson: you mentioned that he's never run for public office.

attribute in running for president. i've never done this before. i'm going to be extra great. so, if you look at his campaign, he's now on his third top manager of his campaign. you've seen campaigns before, assess the health of the trump campaign. >> well, i think the main -- i assess by looking at donald trump and looking at his actions and where his head and his heart is at. you look at he made this pitch to african americans and communities across the country, hispanic roundtable yesterday, going to be doing more of issue, most important thing said there, which was very insightful, is that bringing back the republican base is the difference between being up by six and down by six which is where he was right after cleveland. that is the easiest piece for us to take care of. and once the republican base gets back up to where it was after the convention, those polls in ohio and north carolina and new hampshire are going to be right back where we need them to be.

what you're saying that things may be a little bumpy but he's never done this before, is that g go to be true of his presidency, going to be a little bumpy and chaotic? that's not the promise he's making. it's one consistent victory after another with no problems at all. >> well, we'll find out about the victory in november. built the truth, is that when you're a first time candidate you learn things as you go and you -- it is not the easiest thing in the world to do, never been in politics to read 2,000 when you become president, i think there's consistency and there's a level of compartment tallism departments, cabinet positions, there's a sense of consistency there that isn't necessarily driven by choice built by history and by precedent. >> dickerson: you're talking about consolidating the republican base, isn't it late to be doing that, don't you usually have your base

convention then you can work on those other voters? isn't he -- >> we're talking about a few percentage points. when you need -- after the convention was at 89% support. you go down five or six percent on your own base of support, obviously that can be the difference between being down by two or down by six. i think that what you're seeing over the last week and a half it view within republican party that donald trump is doing exactly what he needs to be if he keeps doing what piece doing we'll be right back to even or ahead. >> dickerson: other people have advice for you and they're saying you're getting memos saying cut donald trump loose, get rid of him. what is your response? >> here is the problem with all of this. people need to just take a deep breath and understand what's happening. need to learn about federal election commission campaign finance. in 1996 there was soft money, the national parties were a pass through on soft money.

let's just take ohio. i need to know everything about a particular voter, then i need to make sure absentee ballot or early vote procedure in the hands of the people that i node vote. whether they're voting for donald trump or rob portman there is a process and field operation and data operation to make that happen. there is no moving the operation or absentee ballot program away from donald trump and some senator's favor. it doesn't work that way. happen in a swing state. there's no hundred million dollars in a drawer that might not be spent on one person but in favor of another. 1996 was a soft money year where national parties took in soft money in the end they can move it everywhere they wanted. it does not exist today. some of the people that signed that letter were the same people that took away that power. >> dickerson: people say 96 what you should duplicate.

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idea jeff sessions is here a key supporter of donald trump. welcome, senator. one 69 things you've been helping donald trump with is his ideas on immigration he's going to speak about that this week. he met with some hispanic leaders and said he'd like to find a humane and efficient way to deal with the 11 million or so what does that mean to you, humane and efficient? >> well, i think first and foremost he made it clear that we end the illegality, we fix our border and secure it that can be done with the president alone if he had a determination to do so. and congress help make it even better. then, have to think about what the right thing to d. he listened to a lot of people, jon he made any commitments. he's thinking that through.

but he is absolutely committed to the first thing that has to be done and that's end the lawlessness to protect americans from danger and to protect american jobs from excessive flows of labor that pull down wages and job opportunities for americans. >> dickerson: as he's articulated it in the primary, ending that lawlessness, talking about law and order now, ending means removing the 11 million enforcing the laws that he says they are breaking, moving them then putting them amount the back of the line. is that your understanding that that is still his position? >> he's wrestling with that. people that are here unlawfully, came into the country against our laws are subject to being removed. that's just plain fact. >> dickerson: there was a little confusion about his position. but you're pretty certain where he is in terms of removing the 11 million from the united

commitment yesterday or the meeting the other day about what he will do with that. but he did listen and he's talking about it. >> dickerson: i want to ask you about mention security those that are coming in to the country, talked about extreme vetting for people coming in to he america, but a lot of these terrorist attacks, whether it's in chattanooga or orlando or san bernadino were committed by people who are u.s. citizens. that wouldn't be taken ca by the extreme vetting. you are involved with security discussions with the trump campaign, what is the plan for dealing those u.s. citizens who are participating in these terrorist attacks? >> we had big group of national security experts presided over by rudy guiliani, he listened intently to various ideas about this. second generation, most of these were either first generation refugee or immigrant or their

of an attack if you bring in more people from dangerous areas of the globe. american people clearly support an idea that if you can't vet somebody from a dangerous area of the globe, they should not be brought in to the united states. don't have constitutional right to demand entry, admit those who make america a better place, have a chance to flourish here and do well and love america. >> dickerson: those who are ti opportunity but vetting program won't get at them. donald trump is suggested in the past some kind of test for citizens was that discussed. >> well, i don't know that we discussed that in any detail, no. but the idea that you ask people about their understanding of what a good governments if you have two people, one that wants to believe in the democratic republic like we have, one that has ideology that wants to

why would you not choose one who is most harmonious with our values. i think we can ask some of those questions, we have to be careful, talk to our lawyers think it through carefully but there's no doubted that we can ask certain questions as we have for decades of people before they are admitted to our country. >> dickerson: what about people who are already here as u.s. citizens, how would that process work to ask them questions? >> you can't do that for a citizen. you e as a citizen. you have ever right of american no matter how you came here, once you get that citizenship, you have equal rights of every american. if you are applying to come, of course, you can be evaluated differently. >> dickerson: all right, senator jeff sessions thanks so much for being with us. being with us. >> thank you. dickerson: we'll be right back. you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec? for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec? is different than claritin?.

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i want to start with finding enour poll, 51% of voters in ohio think hillary clinton is influenced by foreign donors. why do you think that is? >> well, i think there are right wing attacks out there against her based on the important work that the clinton foundation has done that are simply not true. i think it's important that voters step back and evaluate what influences there might be on the clinton foundation does incredible charitable work around the world. it provides aids and hiv drugs to over 10 million people, life saving medical treatments. what has not gotten as much strut knee are the financial connections that donald trump has. we just learned yesterday in the "new york times" that his business owe millions ever dollars to the bank of china which is run by the chinese state as you know. that is enormous leverage should

promises, for example, to have a trade war with china. i think we need to evaluate both candidates here. what is important to know that secretary clinton doesn't draw a salary from the foundation. does charitable work. donald trump's businesses which affect his bottom line and his net worth have real ties to countries like russia and china. >> dickerson: we'll be back of a this break talk whether this is just the right wing or whether there is a little bit more of a connection between the foundation and the clinton secretary of state per break. ces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours.

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