>> dickerson: we continue with hillary clinton's campaign manager. the result. right wing attacks these questions about relationship between clinton foundation and the clinton state department. but e-mails have come out showing the call from bill clinton's personal office to the state department about a large donor and response that the state department was not, go away. these are not totally in founded, democrats i talked to are worried about this connection, it sounds like you're saying nothing to see here for a candidate with trust issues with the electorate is nothing to see here, really the right election response? >> well, first of all the interaction in question that you're talking about as you said was from president clinton's personal office. it wasn't from the foundation, the person in question was somebody who the clintons had a long standing relationship even

foundation at all. and he was reaching out because he wanted to share some information with our -- one of our ambassadors. just some background information. >> dickerson: just to get -- the foundation, so the fact that he was a big donor did nothing to help ease his sack says to those e-mails, that request was made because not any donations that didn't help him at all? >> my point is that the request didn't come from the foundation. the request came through president clinton's personal had been a friend of the clintons for a long time before the foundation was ever set up. again, we have republicans in congress and right wing groups doing everything they can to try to make something out of nothing here. the fact is that at every juncture the foundation has done above and beyond what is usually in place in terms of ethics and rules for foundation like this. the sec president bush came in to office he never heard people

very similar situation and members of his family remained on the board of their foundation while he was president. so, what we're just asking for for people toy a fair look at the situation and as i mentioned, nobody is asking donald trump about his deep financial ties. >> dickerson: let ly ask you '-- or other foreign countries. dickerson: when people look at the relationship between the clinton foundation and state department and anything that's about -- may come out in the future, when they take a look at that is that the oath call standard that they s from her in the presidency as they determine whether they are going to vote for her to be president? >> what i'm saying that every step she and the foundation have actually gone above and beyond so that -- what has been done in the past. the foundation is nastaseing they're going to take even further steps should she become president of the united states. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the report that hillary clinton got idea for the private e-mail account while she was

>> well, you're going to have to ask them about what conversations they might have had. and secretary powell put out a statement. did he in fact use private e-mail as secretary of state. if we're to understand that and to understand that secretary clinton wasn't the first person to do this. and that the rules were very murky, nonetheless, she halls said that this was a mistake. she's apologized for it. she wouldn't have done it if she could go back and american people are ready to move on and talk about issues like creating jobs, affording health compare and college. >> dickerson: dispute whether the rules are murr key and final question in 260 days since press conference, somebody i was talking to had been in the white house said if a candidate can't have press conferences and deal that that weakens them because they're going to need that as way to communicate with the american people. so, why not have a press

>> well, the real question here is, whether secretary clinton has been taking questions from reporters, which she absolutely has. we went and counted and she has been in more than 300 interviews with all righters -- reporters this year alone, she's been on your show we're going to continue to do that. there are lot of different formats which she can engage in reporters whether it's one on one interviews, whether it's talking with her traveling press reporters. or a presse we're going to look at all of those as we move forward. but i don't think it's fair to say that someone is shying away from tough questions when they have taken over 300 interviews from reporters, we tried to have the interns look how many questions she took which is much bigger number which you would appreciate. >> dickerson: all right. robby mook, thanks for being with us. next up the authors of new book on donald trump by the "washington post" called "trump revealed" and american journey

introduction credits some 38 "washington post" staffers for the work involved and the two who wrote it already here with us michael kranish invest gaytive reporter and marc fisher the senior editor. michael, let me start with you. is it possible to know the essential donald trump? >> well, i think ha biographer helps put in context the patterns. really try to tell right from his ancestor the story of donald trump, how he developed thinks thought patterns, which is very contraditions in his personality, for example, changed party registration seven times as republican, democrat, reform, then republican. also changed positions quite a bit. this week he has said he doesn't want to pivot people, see exactly who he is, we show clearly that this is a man who has been a pivot, is that for convenience or is that today the person who he really is?

core trump elite, he's talked about art of the deal, and setting, creating an image what are his core believess a pivot part of the core belief? >> absolutely. he's an improvise or, someone who jumps out tries to provoke and tries to connect with people by speaking plainly. he truly believes that publicity, be t you are on particular issue doesn't especially matter, what matters is connecting with people and getting what you wanted, getting the final step. this true throughout his business career, all about him, am about getting to the goal and he is quite willing to run roughshod over people to get there. >> dickerson: just getting a win. calling it a win. getting a win. >> he grew up in house where his father warned him against being a nothing. and his whole life has really

to himself and others that he is something. something big and important. and this is all the latest step in really a very consistent pattern throughout his life. >> dickerson: talk about that ego a little bit. that ego piece. when i talk to people who have had conversations and dealings, always come back to his view about how he's being perceived, how he doesn't want to take advice if he's seen as if the advice is making him do something he wants to be the author of his own way. every politics has ego, where is he on the scale of you've written about. >> quite high, no doubt. he has his name on buildings, during a lot of his business dealings, ran roughshod, his am pigs when he was doing business deals, had a lot of catastrophic failures that we write about. he was looking out for donald trump. if other people suffered as a result or he was looking out for the best deal for himself, he told us that if he's president he'll look out for all sorts of people, everybody. but if you look at his career, he was quite blunt in saying

>> he truly believes that the system is rigged. this is not just a campaign line. this this is something he believed throughout his life. >> dickerson: all systems are rigged. >> sometimes rigged against him. but he uses that to justify actions that other people would think of as merely ethical. from the very first business deal to the first big project he's working the system. he's getting tax incentives that no one has gotten before in midtown manhattan giving campaign contributions to all sides is to get politicians on his side to get his projects done. working the system is at the core of what he does. >> dickerson: is there an origin story, is there a place you go back to that says, this is really where the essential donald trump began? >> yes, i think there s. i think that is when he was working for thinks father he was in early 20s, father was president of the trump management company

decided that he wanted to leave his father's employ and basically go across the bridge to manhattan. he thought that he didn't like the poverty, the crime, everything that he saw in brooklyn and queens. but as he was leaving, the company was sued not renting to blacks. so, donald trump had to face a very important question was he going to settle with the u.s. government or fight them. and he was in nightclub one night he ran into roy cone, the famous lawyer for joe mccarth mccarthy. he got to talking to him, he said, no, fight like hell. fight the government and when you hit, hit back ten times harder. he decided to do that for two years they fought the federal government, we have these wonderful transcripts of the case where roy cowen is arguing on donald trump's behalf back in is the 37. bottom line over two years, they

counterclaim for $15 0 million that famed. event ly did settle the case. donald trump had to put advertisements in the paper saying beavis it african americans renters to come to our properties. it shows you that, he's still upset that the government sued him for racial bias. >> dickerson: what kind of winner is donald trump? he's been obviously very successful, promising that his personal success going to translate into president shall success. i talked to r that is working out. is he one constant success or person who wins then loses and wins and loses, on balance things are going great but it's a bit of a ride in between? >> his whole life is series of very dramatic hills and valleys. he's had great successes, he built casinos in atlantic city. did he well for awhile then they didn't. so he went through series of corporate bankruptcies. and it's interesting, the pattern is that when he succeeds it's all about trump, the brand,

aspirational sensibility. but when he fails, it's the system is rigged, it's other people's fault. other people don't get paid. he stiffed a number of vendors and contractedders, a long list of people who have spoken to us who violated their non-disclosure agreements to tell us how he treated them when things went sour. and so he is someone who does not take well to losing and someone who then wins it's all about him. >> dickerson: republican convention we heard stories from the kids about how he prefers to spend his time, donald trump does, with people working at the site not the guy in the corner offers. is there evidence of that in terms of his -- his pitch to the electorate, i'm with you, i'm with the regular person. >> tried to have this image that he is a self described billionaire who is populist and blue collar. this is something who is very successful in the primaries, most successful mark who connect

he lot of people have about wages being stan innocent, instead of directing their anger towards somebody who is super wealthy, which he is, has been able to channel that anger. so, he does like to go to the job site. one thing he loves to do is build. there's no question he does like to spend time, whether he hangs out all night, that's doubtful but no question that he does don a hard hat. >> dickerson: thanks so much. the book is "trump revealed." they will talk about the book on cbs this morning, be sure to tune in to that. tune in to that. we'll be right back with our political panel. same time tomorrow, fellas!? dr. scholl's massaging gel work insoles absorb a hard day on your feet for comfort that keeps you feeling more energized. dude's got skills.

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you do every day. live claritin clear. >> dickerson: amy walter from the "cook political report." ben domenech, jennifer jake sobs for bloomberg andes could klein is founder of vox.com. ben, start with you. changes in the trump campaign? what do they >> third time around. we'll see if this is is the charm. this was an interesting week for the trump campaign you had strong speeches delivered by donald trump, some of the strongest he's given on the trail to this point. yet that was kind of stomped on within the political class because of the internal moves and a real sense that perhaps the campaign was at a point where it felt that the need perhaps out of desperation to bring new folks in.

commentator and pollster who has been around quite some time, she's been doing work in political campaigns but more eyebrow raising hire is steve bannan who has been known less for being a conservative or a campaign operative, he's never worked on a campaign in any capacity but rather for someone who is more confrontational, very tied to anti-immigrant voices and to anti-trade voices. so, in terms of what we're going to see, impact they're going to have on thisca early, it's too early to really tell. >> dickerson: s 'x the candidate, donald trump gave speeches, went down to louisiana to visit flood victims. if he in habits this, reince priebus thinks he's going to get republicans to come back. might that even things up if republicans come home who are clearly, there's some uncertainty? >> donald trump street in a big hole. one thing about president shall campaigns that these media exposure for a year or more is

doesn't mean nobody will come back but it is more than a speech. it is more than a weekend. it is more than three or four day stretch of not making times to say something horrible. what's important is is the donald trump pitch that he will hire the best people. he will find the best people, will manage them, bring the competencies of an executive to the business class to run an organization effectively. he's had a real problem for him in the campaign chaos he's not being able to show that pitch. he's not hiring the best getting very inexperienced people. not being able to run a stable organization. not running an effective organization. he's a media celebrity and running like one. but in terms of we needed a businessman she's showing that he doesn't have those skills. >> john, he is hiring some new staff this morning. we learned that he brought upon shawn spicer who is the communications direct for for the rnc that is a big deal. we'll see more staff additions this week, we'll see some

staff, is trumps own expect tans that he is losing he needed to change his approach. it was just a few months ago that trump was saying, he could kill people and not lose voters, that famous fifth avenue comment he made about shooting someone on 5th avenue was now seeing him change, the code words that we're hearing this week, things like, love each other, regret, unity, he's changing his tone. this is a guy who has invested $48 million of his hone his campaign so he's moat separated. >> dickerson: republicans are saying, there is a group of republicans desperate for reason to come back to him and this is -- even though just one or two speeches is giving them a reason. amy, give us a sense as a map, said that donald trump is in a hole, polling suggests that, give us a sense of the nuts and bolts of the challenges he faces now with voting some places starting as early as late september. >> we are three weeks away some of threes states for the early

we are to the point now, ezra is right, where not only are opinions of the candidates but the electoral college map spend most of our time looking at. reality is, when you come into this race something that was called the blue wall. the states that democrats had held in the last few elections, election after election, win or lose, the question for republicans could they break through that wall. win a pennsylvania, could they win a wisconsin. it's clear from the polling right now, tt' it's also clear that the states that really turned purple, been leading more blue, colorado and virginia, those look off the map now. for donald trump. in place where he's doing well, iowa, that's wonderful, jennifer, iowa is a beautiful place. we love the state of iowa. only two things they have handful of votes. what we're seeing, start to see this at the congressional level, too. bifurcation between stacey that have diverse filing population,

versus states like iowa that are overwhelmingly white. and in suburban district what we're hearing from pollsters, hillary clinton is over performing like obama did in those districts. in those more rural areas she's underperforming. the real challenge for donald trump not just get some of those people back that he's lost, ho is he going to get back those republicans what year after year, college educated votes for republicans. >> how are you going to get that organization to really convince them. the whole problem with analyzing this election at this stage is that you have to assume a campaign. one that has not come to fruition or come to the point offings is tans yet. the rnc can pick its up, but there is a gap there where you no longer have conditional campaign organization to do the kind of data driven voter contact that has made such a difference. >> dickerson: donald trump has said, i don't need all that stuff. i've got these rallies, these

people have never voted are going to turn out. democrats who voted for me this time s. there evidence that that is happening that there is some group of voters out there that are being missed that are going to rush to donald trump? >> i know that steve bannon wants to target voters rich and powerful and rebellious to stand up to the rich and powerful. i think we'll start seeing a little bit more of a ground game in the next few weeks, time is their enemy they're starting to move. in order for him to win we'll have to start big moves in places like pennsylvania. but i notice know that start showing up in some unpredictable places. i know, i'm told top brass has they think they know how to win but going to show up at some odd places i'm told. places we would never expect. >> dickerson: odd places like what, canada? >> i'm not sure. like long island. fascinating place to look where you'll see donald trump really

doesn't he's going to win new york. >> another thing we'll see they're going to start spending on digital advertising. the new report finally came ought their biggest expenditure $8.4 million for digital. pop up on our devices some unusual places. >> dickerson: s ' could, about messaging, there's some reports about donald trump changing his position maybe on immigration. interesting to see sen for sessions who is immigration question. seems to be up in the air what donald trump is going to do with the 11 million undocumented workers, at the end of the primary i didn't that question was up in the air. >> it seems to me to be a strange pivot to make in your messaging where your argument becomes, if you do not like high position on immigration, good news is you've also can trust me. that does not seem to be the move people need from trump. to the point just made, there is a problem where this campaign

personality and the strengths and weaknesses of a candidate himself. they keep doubling down and doubling down what they know. going to digital advertising is a good example. i'm a big fan. i'm all for people moving to digital advertising. bit what they keep doing is bringing in folks and moving to structures that are extremely good for the kinds of strength they have in the primary which is reaching people they already agree with. these are not way to reach people you don't agree with. don't reach people that come out completely confused and i was lying about my policies. we can loot as messaging. the way people experience this is trustworthiness. what hive been telling you all this time no longer true because i still want to get elected and it isn't working. >> dickerson: what do you make of the game immigration, am i missing something or is it surprising that this kind of -- there's a confusion here about what is going --

the point where he became a serious canned daylight when he put forward immigration plan. i think this s possibly testingment waters on something perhaps move that could be made to try to soften his message for a general election. i would agree with the idea getting away from this would hurt his brand more than it would help. the people who are convinced that donald trump is anti-immigrant holds those views personally are not going to be convinced to come back. the real problem for him is, turning himself into an acceptable candidate for a general election where he needs to be acceptable to college educated whites, particularly subject you are an whites. why you've seen him talking in more soft terms about racial reconciliation. >> that's much more the point that i don't think he's going out trying to reach out to get hispanics or african americans, what he's saying, subject you are an educated voters saying to them it's actually not that bad. come back to the -- >> dickerson: exactly. all right.

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