>> hello and welcome to "the journal." >> welcome. >> coming up at this hour, unrest continues across the arab world, with a violent crackdown on protests in bahrain. germany's defense minister comes under power -- under fire for allegedly plagiarizing his doctoral thesis. the first ever gold medal of the skiing world gym bishops. -- world championships. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> several gulf states are clamping down as anti-government protests continued. in yemen, thousands of people

took to the streets for a seventh day, demanding an end to president ali abdullah saleh's 30-year rule. in bahrain, the army was deployed across the capital to restore order there. officials are concerned the unrest in bahrain could destabilize the region. security forces have above the strict measures to stop the protests. >> the message sent by army tanks rolling through the streets on thursday was clear. bahrain's rulers want to ensure this does not become another cairo. unlike in egypt, they have the support of the military. a defense ministry spokesman urged people to avoid gathering in central areas. the protesters' tent city and has been flattened, the remains of a crushed the uprising. security personnel stormed the square late wednesday night.

witnesses said they came from all directions, firing tear gas and rubber bullets. >> we did not harm or attack anybody. we were sleeping peacefully when they took us by surprise and attacked us. >> despite the violent crackdown, bahrain's opposition says it will not abandon its called for wide-ranging political reforms. in the capital of yemen on thursday, there were running street battles between regime opponents and supporters. port seven days, anti-government protesters have been calling for the immediate resignation of president ali abdullah saleh. >> we shall stand firm until the goes, no matter what the price. >> despite deploying hundreds of extra troops in the capital, the government is struggling to contain the unrest. clashes were reported in other towns and cities in yemen. >> opponents of the libyan

leader were also on the streets as part of their day of rage against the regime. the past few days have seen at least 14 people killed in clashes with security forces. there is no official confirmation of the death toll. this amateur video posted on youtube planned to show violent exchanges between anti- government protesters and police in tripoli. hundreds of pro-gaddafi protesters also mobilized on wednesday. the authorities have warned they will not tolerate public dissent. for more analysis on the unrest sweeping the arab world, we are joined by our correspondent in cairo. gaddafi seems to be staying put. what could he or his regime do to satisfy protestors' demands? >> libya is the same setup as egypt, a ruler that is ruling

even longer than the monarch. the same idea is may be to hand over power one day. now, he has an uprising started against him. this is the very same answer. the libyan regime is sending out security operators and trucks today to try to crush the beginning of this uprising. the want to crush it from the very beginning. i do not think there will be very successful. tomorrow, they announced in libya they will go again onto the streets. when will the demonstrators reached critical mass so the security operators cannot handle them? this is what we have to watch in libya. >> it seems to be the same situation in bahrain. do you think there is a risk of more violence there? >> absolutely. berlin learned from the egyptian experience. the kind of moved into a square for the people we could organize themselves.

tomorrow, the french emperor was their idea. what happened there was they made the people even more angry. it was the shia majority going onto the streets. they feel they have grievances because they're treated as second-class citizens. after today, we will probably have more people on the streets and it will be wider than the bahraini portia. -- the rainy -- bahranian shia. they say they are commemorating the deaths of the revolution. they also want to show they are ready if the military tries to take as much of the old regime over to the new times. there is some suspicion on the side of the demonstrators. they will attempt to show their muscle again. >> next for that update from cairo.

let us check in with steve now to find out what the e.u. is doing to help farmers and consumers. >> the prices of grains have risen slight -- risen sharply in recent weeks and are at their highest level since june 2008. the eu is taking action and beginning next week will suspend import duties on some kinds of wheat and barley until the end of june. the european union wants to each -- ease pressure on animal food prices, which would be passed on to consumers. food producers have to import much of their feet from abroad. supplies to the you have dropped, partly as a result of a russian band imposed after last year's drought. germany's economic recovery is giving the labor market a needed lift. the number of job vacancies has risen sharply, to about 1 million. many german firms are putting an extra effort to keep the staff employed.

>> the economic recovery in germany is having a ripple effect. the manufacturing sector is hiring new staff. for the first time in two years, the number employed in industry is rising. now, there is a shortage of skilled workers. companies like bmw are focusing on taking care of existing employees, especially those with more experience. >> our older workers in particular played a big role in creating a harmonious, have the work place. the understand work processes and now how to react -- and know how to react in different circumstances. >> the service industry has played a role. that includes retail, hospitality, and logistics. together, they employ 30 million people in germany, 3/4 of the country's work force. >> european shares traded flat to slightly lower thursday in

response to u.s. data showing the cost of living climbing more than forecast and jobless benefit claims exceeding estimates. our correspondent sent the summary of the day's trading in frankfurt. >> inflation is becoming a concern for many on the markets. the consumer prices in the united states are on the rise again. many commodities are getting more expensive. for example, cotton reached a new record high. no wonder that many companies are thinking about increasing retail prices. for monetary politicians, this means that soon the times of generous monetary policy, the time of very low interest rates, might come to an end. >> we can stay in frankfurt for a closer look at thursday's numbers. the dax closing slightly lower. the eurostoxx 50 the mission

slightly higher, at 3064. in new york, the dow has turned higher, up by 0% 75%. the euro is trading at $1.36 04. the planned merger of deutsche borse and the nyse has investors excited. but every coin has 2 your sides. there are those who fear the merger will eventually cost frankfurt dearly. >> just replace a few computers, and it is business as usual. the traders on the floor and other business to well to believe it. >> mergers and takeovers are just other ways of saying "job cuts."

>> traders in frankfurt will soon say goodbye to this trading system. the different system, not just in new york, but in paris and amsterdam, will be in use. traders will have to adapt to the changes. >> must be given guarantees that the frankfurt stock exchange will be retained in its present form. >> resistance to the deal has been growing on the other side of the land as well. some nyse euronext shareholders have filed suit, claiming the country was undervalued. they are calling the deal a takeover and insist on compensation if it goes through. >> a top european court has said states can prohibit paid tv networks from having exclusive rights to world cup and european championship soccer games, so that fans can watch for free. the european general court called the entire tournament

"events of major importance for society's." the ruling is a blow to soccer's governing bodies, which in the tournament as huge sources of income. fifa and uefa argued that not all tournament matches were of importance, but the court disagreed. it said you in figures showed huge numbers of viewers who do not normally follow soccer. >> here in germany, defense minister karl-theodor zu guttenberg is facing sharp criticism for allegedly plagiarizing parts of his doctoral thesis five years ago. the 39-year-old is a rising star in the cabinet, and has been rated the country's most popular politician. he is currently in afghanistan, meeting with commanders and troops. >> the defense minister was away from the media storm on an unannounced visit to afghanistan

on thursday. although his spokesman has dismissed the plagiarism accusations, the charges are serious. karl-theodor zu guttenberg is alleged to have copied parts of his thesis from the work of others, including two entire paragraphs written by an academic that he used in his introduction. >> the introduction is at the center of a scientific work. it is where authors present their core ideas. it is unfortunate if someone else wrote it and it was only slightly reformulated. >> according to experts, to fill to cite sources bricks all academic rules, even if it only involves a small portion of the pieces. >> eight out of 450 pages may not seem serious, but most academics have very strict criteria and would say the entire work is contaminated. >> some critics of germany's

most popular politician are demanding his resignation. >> it is cheating of the first order. if it is true, his days as a minister will be numbered. >> the defense minister's credibility could be destroyed if the cannot shake off the charges. the justice minister has called for a thorough investigation. a drum on the origins of political radicalism in 1960's germany premiered at the berlin international film festival. the film, entitled "if not us, who," is the second entry competed for the golden bear. it looks at one of the key figures in the left army terrorist bit -- the left-wing terrorist red army faction. earlier, i spoke to our berlin correspondent and asked him if the second and german film in

competition was likely to pick up any prizes. >> i do not think so. it is a very good film. but it covers a lot of the same ground of the film "the better mine off -- the bader meinhoff complex," which won an oscar a few years ago. this looks at why it ordinary germans became her wrists. but i think the jury will think it is more of the same. >> how is this year's festival different from festivals in the past? >> the big difference is that berlin has gotten so big that everybody is coming here, people who do not have anything to do with the film industry. arcade fire was here yesterday to present a phone. another pop star was here to sell the function will be making. you would not usually see these kinds of people in berlin before.

even james franco has taken time out from preparing for the oscars to open an art exhibit. berlin is getting huge. all sorts are coming here to get a piece of that. >> that is good to know. it makes as relevant. thank you for that update on the red carpet. we will have more on the berlin film festival and its long tradition of political films coming up later. in winter sports, slovenia has won its first ever gold medal at the skiing world championships. the honor went to tina, who captured the giant slalom title. it was not a great day for the german champion. she crashed out on the icy course. >> the slovenian when there -- winner celebrated her victory, while the german favorite was disappointed after a mistake in her second run put her out of

competition. she was in fourth place after the first session, and seemed to have good chances at a medal. >> i saw the once ahead of me lost a lot of time. i definitely did not want to come fourth or fifth, so i wanted to risk everything. >> she skied the day's fastest run in the first session and brought the right combination of caution and baldness to her second run. she's secured the gold by less than one -- 0.1 seconds. >> i really wanted to win. i raced at full speed. >> silver went to an italian, and the bronze to a french woman. an olympic medalist proved the best of the germans, coming in fifth place. tina takes from her first ever

gold and a major championship. >> stay tuned.

>> the berlin film festival is being held as popular uprising sweep across the arab world, affecting states like bahrain, yemen, and algeria, as well as nations with long ties with the u.s. and europe. the film festival chose the dissident iranian director jafar panahi to sit on the jury. an empty chair stood in for him. in december, he received a six year prison sentence for the summit in propaganda against the government. this gesture was a sign of the festival's commitment to human rights. also part of the tradition is the awarding of the amnesty international comprise.

an actress will be on hand to present the award on saturday. she talked to us about the role films can play in helping create a world freeture, and wa. >> sheet stored in the oscar- winning film "nowhere in africa." before that, she earned a silver bear. now, the actress is a member of the jury for the amnesty international film prize. she and her colleagues will decide which movie has made the biggest contribution to addressing human rights issues. >> in a good film, you learn a lot about the situation in the country. information is the most important thing. when you have information, you can help. >> one of the nominated projects comes from iran.

the film tells the story of a couple torn between traditional duty and the challenges of modern life. movies have been nominated, including both feature films and documentaries. >> making these films is often forbidden in their home country, so directors shoot without permission, and you can tell. it is a completely different situation. >> a documentary and bills the brutal practices of torture and of the action in chechnya. the director meets a torture victim in a former prison. >> [speaking a foreign language] >> it keeps me awake at night. i cannot sleep because this film

shows such clear, graphic images of the abuse going on in that country. also, they have touched me so deeply. these are difficult comes to watch. -- difficult films to watch. >> but she says some of the nominated films inspire courage, like this portrait of a south african singer and civil-rights activist, who fought against apartheid. she does not have a favor yet, but she knows the winning film maker statement on behalf -- she does not have a favorite yet, but she knows the winning film will make a statement on behalf of human rights. >> let america has a long history of protests against governments and repressive regimes. today, they are thriving democracies. the makers are evaluating the lessons of the dark past,

including the role fear and intimidation play in supporting dictatorships and keeping citizens passive. >> the girls experiences during argentina's dictatorship. a chilean man forced to face his past. a chief of police in brazil who resists corruption. three films dealing with human rights in south america. >> when there is something like torture, that pervades the subconscious of an entire society. >> argentina in the late 1970's. cecilia and her mother are on the run. the father was disappeared under the military dictatorship. the mother refuses to talk, a lot of fear. she has taught her daughter to evade probing questions from strangers.

the film is partly autobiographical. it depicts a family steeped sense of loss and not knowing the fate of a loved one. >> the policy of making people disappear is absolutely perverse. it is a crime, genocide. it totally annihilates human beings. it is not just the killing people, but totally annihilating them so the dissolved into nothing, into emptiness, anonymity, silence. >> cecilia enters an essay- writing competition organized by the military and speaks up about her father. that puts her and her mother in danger.

>> a disturbing film deals with the destructive power of dictatorship and a life lived in constant fear. >> it is difficult to get justice, but it is necessary. otherwise, there can be no forgiveness. >> healing the wounds of the past -- this time, the terror of waged by chilean dictator penal shake in the 1970's. -- pinochet in the 1970's. the film follows a waitress who served drinks at a torture prison in chile. in the film, he says he himself never carried out torture, but kept his silence for 33 years. finally, when he was suspected of torture in a man to death, he

revealed the truth. his testimony helped bring 70 intelligence officers to justice. >> you have to understand that in a country where there was systematic violation of human rights for 17 years, society was complicit in the crimes. i think that is partly why chileans have trouble dealing with the subject to this day. >> director follows begarra as he embarks on a journey, searching for truth and forgiveness. >> i will put it simply. there is no freedom without freedom of speech. >> democracies can be complicit in wrongdoing. that is the topic of this film. it is the first part of the epic poem -- the first part of the

the answer is already one a golden bear in 2008. it looks at rio de janeiro as infamous shantytowns. he believes he is fighting for justice and order, but realizes he is merely cementing the power of corrupt politicians who exploit the poor. >> one of the things that human rights has to do with economics. if you have a lot of people with no money whatsoever, in real life that does not matter what your constitution says. in the real life of those people, they are starving. they wilhave rights. >> in south america, in has already become the most successful film in recent years. the open plea to fight corruption has sparked a major debate in brazil. in berlin, is one of three transformative films at this

year's festival. >> the awards will be handed out on saturday. we will bring you full coverage.

♪ - hi, this is bob scully, and welcome to a special edition of the world show, our great communicators series, which is taking us on a time trip this week. we are travelling back in time to 1992. now, that may not sound very far back in history, and it's not. but in a way it is

in this case because our guest this week has just retired--or so he says. we shall see. and in 1992 he was famous, yes, but not nearly as famous as he is today. so let's travel back in time and have a look at that. larry, let's start with the ross perot episode. you must have thought that you'd died and went to interviewer heaven when somebody who's a major national figure in the us, a major business figure, comes on your show. the moment he comes on, he's not a candidate. by the time he leaves, he probably is a candidate. i mean, there's a kind of magic there, and i was wondering, before the perot show, did you think it over, and did you say to yourself, "i'm going to find out if he's really going to run. i'm going to prod him"? - i've got to tell you the truth, bob. the answer is no. when i was driving in that night, i didn't know who was on. i mean, i forgot that perot was on. i didn't even know too much that we were going to get into the presidential thing, but it was in the opening read, so i asked him right off the top if

he was running or thought about running. he said no. i left it along. i went to other things, and then, if you've been doing this a while and you have any experience of doing it, you start, you know... the evening took its turn, and i had the advantage of long play on cnn--e coming in. you can kind of... the interviewer's always in control, and you're in total control, so it's sort of like your palette--you're taking this gu painting. he's the substance of the painting, and you're providing the instrument. and then i sensed it, so i asked him again. he said no, but it was a different kind of no. and then late in the night i asked him-- which is the kind of question that puts you in a position of... you really are definitive or not when you ask someone, "are there any conditions under which...?" and so the question was, "are there any conditions under which you would run?" and that's when he said, "if i got on the ballot in all 50 states". had he been a definitive no then, that

leaves you with no out. but when you ask it that way, you give the guest the chance to explore, "well, under what condition would i do this?" it was a fair hypothetic. it turned the hypothetic into a reality. - what's happening to your show, and where are you getting all something that used to happen only in political conventions or on the editorial pages of stately newspapers is now happening live on cable? - well, television, this is an extraordinary medium. it's a young medium. it's the most powerful medium. i mean, it's moot to even talk about it. we are--this business is the most powerful transmission business of communication ever invented. it puts everything else a distant second. and now we've got cable, and we've got 50 channels in a lot of homes. well, if you've got 50 channels, you've got choice, and if you've got choice, my god, you can turn in to larry king live, you can watch donahue, you can watch movies, you can watch david frost, you can watch nightline.

it isn't just sunday morning anymore, it isn't just commentaries, it isn't just sound bites at airports, it's now a whole mix. and if you can transmit on television, if you're good in this ballpark, if the public believes you, and you get the time to explore--now all these channels give you the time to explore, so if you sit down in your living room and you watch ross perot or george clinton or george bush or whomever, and you like them--you like bill clinton; he touches you--what the op-ed page in tomorrow morning's toronto globe may say is irrelevant. you liked him, and he communicated to you on the most important medium of all to communicate--this one. so if a radio commentator says something, or all the press in the world... perot, in my opinion, had he picked a viable vice-president and snt the money the way he was being advised to spend it, would have either won or thrown this into the house. - but there are a lot of people who say that of the many weird things happening around

the world, television has a lot to do with them--totalitarian governments that collapse with their mighty armies, while cable news circles the globe. - most of it good, right? television is behind most--in my opinion, had television been around, there'd have been no concentration camps. had television been around, hitler would have been stopped very early. there may not have been wars. i mean, i just wrote a book called when you grow up in brooklyn, everything else is tokyo. and i fantasized about what it would be like if there were television in the late '30s. hitler would have been on larry king live. mussolini would have been on nightline. the world would have changed. the world would have changed. eyes show you things. what this camera did was show people at peace--they showed people in democracy, and once you kick democracy's door open, it's open, and it opened through eastern europe and everywhere else the camera can reach. there's nothing like it. - but you're not elected, and it seems to me that's a very heavy load to

carry. i mean, in the old days, in a way, you had it easier. people didn't come on, running for national office, on your show to unmake or make their careers. or shoot themselves in the foot, like dan quayle did. - well, i don't think he shot himself in the foot; i think the press shot him in the foot, but i don't know how the public perceived it. in other words-- this is kind of inside the beltway stuff--sometimes we sit inside the beltway and say, "boy, dan quayle did poorly". how do you know he didn't touch that father in des moines by saying he'd support his child? how do you know he didn't humanize himself a lot? we don't know that, because a lot of times we're behind the public, because this medium is so intense and so quick that-- for example, perot. the last people to pick up perot were the david broders, george wills, op-ed columnists--last ones to see him. they're in a cocoon, they're in washington, we all eat at the same place, we all converse. they never talk to des moines, so i don't know that dan quayle did poorly.

i think he did well. - because you're worldwide right now, are you sometimes itching to sort of close the circle? like when you have--just before the gulf war--when you have former president reagan on, and you ask him about whether or not president bush is serious about attacking iraq, and he says yes, and you say, "well, maybe saddam hussein is listening to us right now", would you like saddam hussein to come on the next night and respond to that? - sure. and it was fascinating to hear reagan talk to hussein. what would he say to hussein? the best question i ever asked reagan was, "what was it like to be shot?" and he went through an almost brilliant, eerie description of what it's like to have a bullet hit you. now that's a simple question. it is the question you don't hear at press conferences. you know, when a man stands up before a press conference, they'll ask, what time? what time did you get to the hospital?" but i ask, "what's that like? what's that like?" why? because it's what we onhethink about. but i don't go hussein is watching, or reagan is watching, or whoever.

i go on the air to establish, for me, information, and then through me to you. i don't picture an audience. some broadcasters do that. there's no rule for this. for me, i always figure that if i'm enjoying it, hopefully you'll enjoy it. if i'm learning, you'll learn. i'm a conduit, but i have to be the judge of it. i can't judge for you. - you're absolutely sure that nothing has changed? i mean, other than the fact that you've become more well known and more powerful. you're still the same guy? - personally, i'm the same as the first night i went on the air. i'm no different. i ask the best questions i can. i elicit the best answers. i listen to the answers. i follow up with other questions, but i don't sit there saying, "boy, today we're in moscow. i'm going to be different. i'm more important". it's like novelists who have told me many times--john steinbeck told me once. i said, "when you wrote the grapes of wrath, did you think that in writing this book you would

change the way a whole society looks at something?" he says, "nah, i sat down and wrote a story". if you sit down and say, "i'm gonna write the great book", you don't. he sat down and wrote a story. - and let's say--i noticed that you have told people before that you would welcome people like gaddafi or castro on your show-- you'd see them as fascinating guests. so let's say you had a worldwide figure like that, and you did a little bit of research--i know you don't like to do that, but your research convinced you that they had ordered murders or terrorist bombings or whatever-- they were true heavies. could you have them on, and could you care about them as much as you might care about elizabeth taylor or-- - i care about anybody's answers. i don't have to like the guest. i care about what motivates the guest. if i were interviewing adolph hitler, i certainly wouldn't like him. - but you would interview him? - oh, of course i'd interview hitler. - don't you have to like them just a little bit? like something about them? - no. - but what we see in your eyes, or think we see, is that you do like them.

- you don't have to like the guest. you have to be curious about the guest. there's a bit difference. i am intensely-- wouldn't you be curious about what made a guy like adolph hitler tick? - but don't they come to you, larry, because you look like you like them? - no, they come to me because they know i'm interested in them. they know they won't be embarrassed. they'll be asked good questions--fair questions. they don't have to respond. this is not a court. it's not an inquisition. any guest can say, "i don't want to answer that". i did a thing with al d'amato the other morning at a broadcast conference in upper new york state, and we were talking about the quayle thing, and i said, "well, what if that were asked of you?" he said, "i refuse to answer". what can an interviewer do? if i say to you and your next question, "bob, i'm not going to answer that", and i just go mute, there's nothing you can do. nobody's going to drag it out of them. so i do the best i can. i don't have to like them, but i am interested in them, and as sinatra said, "the best thing about you is you're fair, you listen, and one gets the feeling that what they're saying is going to be heard". that's all i do.

- and what would your top question be to someone like-- i'll use the name you used-- to someone like adolph hitler? - see, the secret, bob, is there's no secret. i have no idea. if hitler sat here now, i would turn to him and i would have no idea. first i'd have to ask you, what time frame is it? is it 1940, or is it 1992? how old is he? where is he in the current life position? you know, i would love to interview christ today looking back at all he's seen. i'd like to interview lincoln, but you'd have to tell me, is it circa 1864, or is it 1992? - would you be impressed if you were interviewing abraham lincoln? - oh, sure. i hold people of accomplishment in esteem. in other words, of course, anthony quinn, i hold him in great respect. anyone who has accomplished a great deal, especially in the area of creativity, i have a great deal of respect for. i have a respect for people who run for the presidency. that's a crazy thing. why would someone want

to do that? why would you want to be dan quayle? why would you want to open a newspaper and see yourself knocked? there has to be something special about that. - respect and curiosity are not the same thing? - no they're not. i'm curious about everything. but i am curious off-air. in other words, i would much rather be asking you questions than you me. and i'm the kind of person-- i guess i'm a good conversationalist, but i sometimes spoil dinner parties. - larry, earlier you mentioned your curiosity about people, your respect for them, the fact that you care about what they have to say. what i notice about you that seems to me a great asset, a great quality, is the sadness in your eyes. it seems as if you are interested in what they're saying, but as if you're also saying, "this shall all pass". and i thought to myself--first i'd heard you on radio and had never seen you, and then when i saw the tv show, i said to myself, "that's why l on and bare their souls. they're with a kindred spirit in a way-- somebody a bit lonely, somebody

who really does listen". do you think that's it? - maybe that's it. you know, bob, in that kind of case, you'd be a better judge than me, because i'm inside of me. i do know that people like to talk to me, and i know i can communicate, and it would be silly not to say i can do that. i can do that. and i know that people respond to me, and i respond to people. i like people--you can't be in this business and not like people. but as to what is that little ingredient that makes somebody good at this business and somebody average, nobody knows. i've known a lot of great people in broadcasting, and arthur godfrey told me the best thing i've ever heard about this business. arthur godfrey, who befriended me and was very nice to me, said, "the only secret in this business is there's no secret. if you're yourself, and the public likes you, you're in. if they don't like you, you're out. if you're not yourself, you'll never know". i'm always myself, so if that communicates to you as kind

of sad, that communicates it to you. it's like a painter asking the painter to explain his painting. i do what i do. i don't think about it much. i've been asked sometimes to teach it. i wouldn't know what to do. i would have no idea what i would do in the course, "how to teach interviewing". i don't know that it's teachable. - so maybe you're saying, in a way, that you're like the mona lisa--mysterious in a way, and each guest sees in you what he or she wants to see. but there's another thing about you, and i'm kind of jealous. you don't prepare, and you never know what your questions are going to be. - for example--this is the truth--when i'm saying, "good evening. my guest tonight is to discuss the current political scene", as i turn and say, "roland..." the question comes. - no preparation? - no, zip, zero. and i have always worked that way. i am more comfortable that way. i would be uncomfortable with a list of questions. i just like

the flow. and i've always been lucky--35 years--to always have had a show that allowed me that. i never was called in to a general manager who said, "change the way you question. do things differently". i always had long phone programming--in miami, in washington, the radio shows, cnn. i've never had a program where i had to do five minutes. i always had luxury. i always had support of management, which is, by the way, extremely important in this game. this is a very subjective business. ted turner liked me. if he didn't like me, i wouldn't be on cnn. that was one person's subjectivity. he liked me. if he didn't like me, there'd be no larry king live. so you need him. - yeah, and something i've got to ask you: in the larry king mystery, behind the person, the face, and the voice asking the questions, there seems to be something else--and you've talked about it--a kind of recklessness, i guess i have to say--i'm not saying it judgmentally-- recklessness in marriage,

in financial affairs... - yeah, i always... i have never had the answer to that. i think a lot of the things that i brought that worked for me on the air didn't work for me in private life. i never had a really successful long-standing relationship. by the way, i'm friends with every person that i've known in my life. there's no one i have known in my life that i don't talk to. - no enemies. - and at times have been romantic with. even people that i've broken romances. in other words, there are no endings. i'm not good at long-standing... i used to not be able to handle money well, and now i don't even handle money. it's all done for me by a firm in boston. i never even think of it. i wasn't good at it. now-- someone once said, "people don't change; circumstances change". my circumstances have changed so much that i never have a money problem. and i think one of the problems i had with relationships--i think about them; i might do a book on this--is i took my energy and my talent to my work, and didn't

take it to my home. in other words, this kind of spirit that you've seen on the air, maybe i didn't bring to a marriage. another thing: i had a job-- two jobs every night--and i've worked radio and television for 32 years--radio for 35; television, 32. betty davis said that this is a mistress--this camera's a mistress--and the great thing about this mistress is it never asks you for anything, it never complains, it's always there, you control it, it's hypnotic, and there's something magical about it. and any partner to anyone who has this mistress has to understand that someone in this business has another love, and this love never lets me down. so if i have an argument at home, when i go out--most people go out of the house, they have an argument, they drive around, they let off steam, they go to a shopping center, they come back; i go out and go talk to presidents. that is very-- - that'll do it for anybody. - that'll do it. and so, you know, i've faced that--finally

in my 50s--that i am career- oriented--that i don't mind opening the door to an empty apartment. i can have somebody there if i wish. i don't mind opening it to an empty apartment, because i've got such fulfilment that occurred during the day, and i have finally reached a point in my life--i my to think of this, that i have no financial worries. i was trying to think of what's my biggest worry. and i don't have a worry. and that's crazy, because i'm a jewish kid from brooklyn, and jewish kids from brooklyn have to have worries, so my current worry is, "why don't i have a worry?" - you've already gone to heaven. - that's right. i'm in there now, looking down. - but isn't there one thing in common between the two larry kings, so to speak--the public and the private? okay, you care about these people, about what they have to say. you're curious about them and everything, but there's always that look in the eyes that says, you know, "this shall pass, and it's not that important. money, success, and so on". and, in a way,

that's the way you've been in your private life. - absolutely. impetuous. today, living... very good observation, bob. living for today counts, and i don't know about tomorrow. i certainly do my shows that way. and one of the things that have been successful is i trust my instincts--i trust my broadcast instincts. they have done me very well. my life instincts haven't always done me well. - aren't you an idealist, deep down? - i'm an optimist. i believe in the goodness of people more than the bad. i think more people are alike than different. i used to laugh when people used to say, "red china will go to war because they care less about their people". what? you mean a mother in red china cares less about her daughter than a mother in america? that's absurd. i've never met a person--even a terrorist--i've never met a person who wanted to die. never met a person. i've never met a person yet who said they

liked war--beyond the crazies. so we all want to live, we all want to eat, we all want security. why can't we get that? buckminster fuller used to say, if we ever had that, we could do it all. there's no reason for any person in the world to starve. none. they burn wheat in one state, and someone starves somewhere. that's crazy. if you came down here from another planet, we're nuts. - one last question. tennessee williams wrote-- i believe it's in his memoirs; i'm reaching back here, but he wrote something where he pointed out that as a young man he was walking in a crowd one day, and he suddenly realized it powerfully, and he was only one in a crowd, and that realization liberated him to write. did something like that happen to you, for instance, when the death of your father occurred? it occurred early in your life. did something tell you that you were one among many, and did that help you to communicate with others and give you this gift you have? - no, the reverse. i knew somewhere in my early teens

that i was different--that i had an ability to express myself, that i had a curiosity, that the world didn't look the same to me as it looked to other people. i knew that i thought differently than a lot of people. instead of feeling one of many, and therefore liberated to write, i felt very apart and different, and therefore liberated to broadcast. - larry, thank you very much. - thank you, bob. this was terrific. - larry king in 1992-- seems like only yesterday. and here's something else coming up on the world show. - i can talk about my case, but what do i know about cases that you have quoted? as far as i know, you're mixing people who are apparently found guilty, and then not. i mean, there are so many cases that are being quoted, you know, from charlie chaplin to errol flynn, you know. and they quote errol flynn--errol flynn was found innocent, you know. charlie chaplin, one doesn't

know why... what's happening with michael jackson, i have no knowledge. my knowledge only comes from the press and and from news media. and i dislike reading those stories, because i know that in my case, it was just so full of inaccuracies, lies, fantasies, you know. it was so amplified, exacerbated by the press and the media, that i can only suspect that this is the case of the others. but i don't know enough about it, you know. and i'm not competent to answer the question whether it is or not the revenge of society. i know one thing: that in my case, i could feel the atmosphere of the press--and the public in general, because it's governed by it--from the

beginning, from my first days in hollywood--and i could feel what happened after the murders in bel air, where my late wife, sharon tate, was murdered carrying my unborn son. she was eight and a half months pregnant. and a lot of my friends were killed with her by those murderers. and before those culprits were found, i could see a sudden kind of, um... ...dislike towards my person, you know. and dislike towards the victims themselves, as though they were guilty of their own murder, because they could not rationalize--it was so absurd, so grotesque, this murder, that they just could not find rational answers to it, and they started writing stories

about themselves--that they were drug addicts, that they dabbled with black magic, that it was some kind of crazy party where they murdered themselves. i could not believe what i was reading, you see. and that was my first lesson, and i could see how the atmosphere has changed around me, and how they started treating me. then came a new period--after they found charles manson and his family--of some form of guilt. i could feel it talked to me, with friends and acquaintances, you know? they somehow felt guilty that i was the victim of something that happened in that country. and i could feel again that when i had those problems in... ...in '79. i can't count

straight anymore. - [bob]: yes? - i could feel again, you know, how the atmosphere changed, and i think it suited some of the people who knew me-- that they need no more to feel sorry towards me, because i am a culprit myself of something else. i don't know, you know? i know one thing: that the press in general like putting somebody high, and the higher they put him, the harder will be his fall. and they will stamp on him in a moment like that. - a retirement tribute to larry king on the great communicators series of the world show this week. and that's our program. i'm bob scully. have a great week. thanks. closed captioning by sette inc.