♪ >> coming up on rt, two pervert -- overt c --overt missions, taking an al qaeda leader live. and more on whether we are seeing a shift in counterterrorism tech six, and we are now in the second week of a federal government shutdown. many of the departments and agencies citizens depend on our clothing, including the ones responsible for transparency. we will look at this issue,

coming up. and in egypt, the streets again are in a state of chaos, with clashes of the security forces with casualties reported. the latest from egypt later on the show. it is monday, october 7, 5:00 p.m. in washington, d.c., and i am meghan lopez. two terrorism raids in africa. navy seals with the elite seal team six were apparently trying to capture one of the man behind the attack on the kenya mall, as the terrorist group al-shabaab took credit for. the seals were looking for a man in connection with the 1998 bombings of the embassies in

kenya and tanzania. one of those operations was successful. the other one was not. it is said that it involved al- libi, and in somalia, they came under heavy gunfire and were forced to retreat without the al-shabaab leader, otherwise known as -- these two waves bring up questions about u.s. counterterrorism efforts. are we seeing a change in policy? why is it so important to capture these men a live and will he be tried in new york? i was joined earlier by a professor of law at howard university, and i started off by asking him his initial thoughts on the raids. >> well, i think you have to look at them separately. the rate in somalia was coordinated with the somali government, and it appears to be

done in the law. contrast that with the libyan raid, a number of countries have been denying assisting the u.s. to save face at home, but publicly, libya is saying they did not consent to the rate and were not aware of the rate and they sent in the armed force in order to conduct a kidnapping. if that is true, that is sovereign territory, and i question our ability to conduct an operation in the sovereign territory of another country without their knowledge and consent, so i think they are at two totally different scenarios. >> let's talk about the libyan scenario. considering the fact that the libyan government is a new government that was just recently put in place, but two, the violence there is still very rampant. >> all we have is their word, and they have been very vocal in their criticism.

in pakistan, for instance, we carried out drone strikes, where the public condemns it, but privately, they are giving it a wink and a nod. i would save that is the case in libya. they have been very vociferous. there are other countries, i am sure there are people in the united states that other countries view as an enemy of their stay, so if we can go into libya and abduct to wherever we choose, then why cannot libya do the same? if they did, it would be on every news network tonight, but when we do it, it is with a shrug and a non-. >> if they did that, i am sure there is hell to pay. in the 2000's, we saw this public outcry. are we seeing something similar happening here, where we are

starting to see a shift towards these missions? >> i think there is a downside in invading another country without their knowledge or consent, and i think the upside is, one, getting away from the drone strikes that would just go in and kill people. there is intelligence to be gained from capturing people alive, so i think that is positive. also, as you have seen, president obama, the administration has indicated that al-libi will be prosecuted in new york, rather than being taken to guantanamo. it was only one guantanamo detainee that was taken to the a nine s -- taken to the u.s., who was successfully prosecuted with a light sentence, so i am glad to see the president is not sending more people to guantánamo and using our federal courts. there have been some questions about whether we are holding him incommunicado on the ship,

whether that jeopardizes the prosecution, and i do not think it will. there is already a solid case on the embassy bombings, the what i hope the prosecution will do is wall off any information we get from questioning him and just use the information they already have. >> i want to play a sound bite from u.s. secretary of state john kerry, speaking from indonesia. >> we hope this makes it clear that the united states of america will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable who hold acts of terror, and members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations literally can ron, but they cannot hide. we will continue to try to bring people to justice, in an appropriate way with hopes that ultimately these kinds of activities against everybody in the world will stop. >> so there you hear him say an appropriate act of justice, which i think is a very key term here.

if the united states is going after these terrorists, is this not a turn or the better, would cost tons of people their lives, including women and children? >> i think it is a question of ends and means. i think there is no question that al-libi was a bad guy and holding them accountable is a good thing. what is in question is the means to affect those ends. calling the case in italy of abu omar, and 23 were convicted of kidnapping in italy for, in essence, the same type of operation we just conducted in libya, so, again, my concern is the president --prcedent that we set. if we can go in and snatch them up, why could other countries

not do the same? >> it is the 12th anniversary of the afghanistan invasion. do we think we are starting to see a shift away from the middle east and towards africa and our counterterrorism efforts? what if you recall, al qaeda and osama bin laden had a base of operation in africa, and they were forced to afghanistan at a time when it was basically a lawless territory, and it seems now they have shifted more of their focus back to africa, so i think that will be an increasing area of interest for the u.s., organizations like al-shabaab and al qaeda, as they continue to put down roots. >> a huge problem. french forces were dealing with the u.s., and a law professor at howard university, thank you so much for coming in and weighing in. it is officially weak to of a government shutdown, and this is where things stand. over the weekend, the house

assured a bill to give back pay to all of the workers who were furloughed, and the material defense chuck hagel announced employees to go back to work despite the furlough. hundreds of thousands of others are still sitting at home, waiting for the issue to be resolved, and in terms of the spending bill itself, well, nothing, nada, zilch, diddly squat, nothing. we are about as close to a spending bill as we were last week tom a which is not close at all. this is a three ring congressional circus, and as we are counting down to default, are we any closer to ending one of these political stalemates? >> farther away, it seems. this evening, house republicans, they are going to pass their piecemeal funding approach rather than one to fund the

government. they just want to fund specific agencies. senate democrats are not going along with it. people are calling it a gimmick. meanwhile, they are trying to force a vote on the clean spending year -- bill. there is what is called a discharge petition, which would require them to get at least 18 republicans and all democratic votes, which would force a vote on the clean government spending bill with in two weeks. speaker of the house john boehner refuses to bring up this clean spending bill, saying he does not think it will pass. it is said the reason he does not want to bring it up is because it will pass, and it will require mostly democratic votes and it will be another kick to the tea party. 10 days away from the debt limit. there was a new york times article that said speaker boehner may cave on this, that

if push comes to shove in we come down to the debt limit deadline, this speaker will bring a clean vote to the floor, and it will be voted on, and on sunday, he walked back and said, no, we will not do that create we want to get concessions first, dollar for dollar spending cuts, epa regulations, and delaying obamacare again. that is where we are. ultimately, we are talking about a six week spending bill. we are talking about a bill that would keep the government open until mid-november, that they cannot agree on at this point. >> they just cannot agree on anything these days, sam. what are some of the other consequences that the public is suffering as a result of the shutdown? >> delaying a lot of cancer treatments, cutting off food

stamps. we talked about problems with the veterans administration. there are other agencies being affected, and organic food standards. they are not being verified at this point. the department of homeland security and the civil liberties complaint. the -ve -- e-verify program is down. also, a lot of agencies that deal with transparency and oversight. the inspector general's office and the department of defense. the office of special counsel, which handles waste, fraud, and abuse in government. that has been closed down. the protection board which protects whistleblowers from retaliation in the workplace, that has been closed down. there are not as many people handling it, which means the

backlog for the information request is growing larger and larger, so the ironic thing is member of congress -- members of congress who are concerned have shut this government down, and now the very agencies shutdown are the ones focusing on waste, fraud. >> thank you. our own three ring circus master. well, the great irony in all of this government bickering is while we fight over money, they are actually wasting a lot of it with this shutdown. $300 million per day, by some estimates. apparently, the government can hold off paying its bill with a few thousand iou's, but many furloughed workers cannot, so they are resorting to unemployment benefits. there are about 2500 or 3500 claims per year, but now, they have received or teen thousand

federal claims as of friday. that is nearly four times the number of claims from federal workers it receives over the course of a year. because of their jobs, people are not allowed to find temporary work to pay their bills until this all blows over, so they are literally stuck between a rock and a government shutdown. we are taking a deeper look about how much money is going down the shutdown drain. >> the government shutdown has officially entered its second week. have a short hundreds of thousands of federal workers they will get back pay once the government reopens, but it is not known how long paychecks will be delayed or how much of an impact the shutdown will have on the economy. in terms of the economy as a whole, bloomberg reports the cost of partially shutting down the government comes at 300 million dollars per day, this according to the global market research firm, ihs.

that is 1.6 billion dollars per week, and while the total impact is difficult to measure, it is expecting the longer it goes on, the more devastating the shutdown will be to the economy, so how does it compare to other disasters? well, if it goes on for three or four weeks, it could cost the economy about 55 billion dollars, according to moody's analytics, and that puts the shutdown in the same range of some natural disasters. take hurricane sandy, for example, the storm ravaging the eastern seaboard one of the largest on record, costing a record $60 billion in damages. hurricane katrina in 2005 was one of the deadliest and costliest natural disasters in history at a cost of 108 billion dollars in damages, according to the national hurricane center, and the bb oil spill that poured millions of gallons of oil into

the gulf was one of the worst offshore oil spills in history, and it cost me company over $40 billion to clean up the mess and compensate victims, and in the south, the drought is plaguing farmers and the local economy, and the south is suffering 7.2 billion dollars in crops and livestock. just a few examples there of natural disasters that took a toll on the economy. on was deadlocked, and this dragging on, the economic impact could be on par with disasters like these, and now they are looking for the next deadline, october 17, the day to raise the debt ceiling or risk running out of money to pay its bills, and many are predicting economic impacts that are much more serious than this current government shutdown. in washington, rt. >> the shutdown showdown is

already having a big impact on our economy, and the closer we get to the default date, the more serious the consequences are likely to be for the u.s., and treasury secretary jack lew is saying this could send the economy spiraling, perhapsgreatn of 2009. researchers are still trying to understand the impact. a new study at a university of hank -- hong kong looked at suicide trends in countries around the world, and what they found is that the great recession has greatly increased the number of suicides. we explain. >> the current cap deville stalemate -- capitol hill stalemate is not just a political and economic issue. it is merging into a mental health issue, and lives are on the line.

>> our self-worth as relates to having a job and being able to provide for the families and a sense of identity about our mental health and overall well- being. thousands of additional suicides worldwide due to the 2008 financial collapse, and men are at a greater risk of suicide because they tend to be the main owners in the family and are less likely to seek help. >> people are at risk for suicide, for alcohol consumption. they are at risk for personal violence. for aggressiveness in their relationships, so we know there is a host of outcomes from joblessness. >> so where are the joblessness numbers right now? the unemployment rate in the united states is 7.3%, meaning 11 point 3 million americans are

looking for jobs but cannot find them. this number has decreased since the financial collapse, but 66% of americans wanted a job or have a job. so many people have gotten so frustrated that they have just stopped looking. the world job market is not much better. $4 million over the course of 2012. the ceo of gallup, who has the world's largest leading analytics firm, says these numbers are underestimated. >> everything you read that reads a 15% to 20% employment, -- unemployment, it is 50%. that is what drives instability. at the very end of the day, it is more about unemployment, because these are grossly inaccurate.

unemployment is getting worse. it will get worse in 2014. this is because of a single metric that nobody talks about. jobs occur or new business startups occur. new business startups are at the lowest rate per capita that they have been in 40 years. ask so what should people do if they are unemployed and depressed? >> we are highly relational. that means we need to connect, connect, connect, connect, and that is going to help us to survive this period where we do not have as many jobs as we need. >> the economy is more than a series of numbers. people's lives are hanging in the balance. in washington, d.c., rt. >> still ahead, in egypt, classes between protesters and government security forces have turned deadly, and it looks like

more clashes are likely to occur. the latest on the instability in egypt after the break. in egypt, people dead, 240 injured due to clashes between protesters and security forces over the weekend as the public gathered to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the start of the war with israel, anti-morsi protesters began attacking with others. then the military forces got involved, and this is when deng's reportedly turned very violent -- when things got

reportedly very violent. we have the latest from cairo. >> the families were basically picking up their dead after a very bloody night in cairo, and across the country, leaving many dead and hundreds arrested. this was on the anniversary of the 1970 three arab-israeli war. this is largely regarded as an armed forces day, the day people celebrate the victory. they called for people to come to the streets, particularly in the square behind me and the presidential palace, to congratulate the military on what is one of the most proud moments of egyptian history. however, supporters of mohamed morsi had other ideas. they wanted to protest against the military, not the institution itself, but the generals, and they attempted to march to the square, as well, which was heavily guarded by

security forces, and they stopped them and iron teargas into the crowds, and there were reports of live and munition on the ground, and this spilled over into the side alleys. it was extremely bloody, indeed. this is one of the many things we are seeing. they are more focused on the celebrations than they were on there is turmoil after the uprising, and this goes with the muslim brotherhood. there were a number of terrorist attacks. already this morning, we heard of an explosion in south sinai, and in addition to five police officers shot dead near the suez canal, what we are seeing is a massive turn oil, a security crisis, and meanwhile, the

supporters refused to back down. they expect to see further clashes on the horizon. >> reporting. meanwhile, in syria, an official from the mission overseeing the destruction of the chemical weapons stockpile says it has gotten off to an excellent start. chemical weapons experts are well into their second day of work, which according to reuters involve serious and forces to render warheads and other equipment unusable, but critics say this is the way of bashar al-assad to stall. >> the united nations has confirmed that chemical weapons experts inside syria have begun the process of destroying the estimated 1000 tons of chemical weapons stockpiled in the country.

there was a team of some 30 international experts that have been there since last tuesday. there is the prohibition of chemical weapons in the hague as well as in the united nations, and they have overseen the whole process. as well as observing what is happening, but the actual destruction itself is taking place by syrian forces. in a statement released by the experts, they say that these forces have begun destroying warheads and equipment. they are using cutting torches as well as grinders to destroy munitions. now, the whole process is taking place at an undisclosed location, and it will last until at least the middle of next there is a binding resolution that came into effect after the involvement of the russian diplomacy. we are still hearing from the

united states, if they do not adhere to their commitment and actually destroy the stockpiles of chemical weapons, force could still be an option. the important thing is that the observers have said that bashar all assad is adhering to his commitments, but there has been no indication, no kind of confirmation on the rebel side that they will be doing the same. and this is important because a number of these chemical weapons stockpiles are on the front lines. sometimes they are forces, sometimes they are not. they are looking at how the experts reach the front line where they can observe the destruction of these chemical weapons, so a lot of problems, a lot of possible encounters down the mine. certainly the process on the damascus side has begun. >> that was our rt reporter

reporting. swapping houses or renting an apartment for a few days. there was even a movie made about it in 2006, called "the holiday" starring kate winslet and cameron diaz, and now, there is a popular website that helps set up these exchanges. according to the new eye daily news, they have subpoenaed all data from all of the new york residents who use the service as part of his investigation into the illegal rentals. of those people, around 15,000 are expected -- suspected to be in violation which makes renting out an apartment for under 30 days illegal. the attorney general says he is not trying to crack down on casual users that on people who repeatedly rent out their apartments.

there was a public policy that says we believe the attorney general is only seeking to target an incredibly small number of bad actors who abuse the platform. that is a goal we all share. illegal hotel operators and slumlords are not part of our vision. and they were looking to make the community stronger, but at this point, this demand is reasonably broad, and we will fight with everything we have got. so the next time you are renting a room in the big apple and you hear a knock on the door, because the. it may not be room service. it may just be the police. that is going to do it for now, and for more information, you can go online on rt.com/usa or follow me on twitter. i will see you back here at 8:00 p.m. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org--

hello there. welcome to "newsline." it's tuesday, october 8th. i'm catherine kobayashi in tokyo. world leaders are trying to make trade easier in a region with great potential for growth. representatives of 21 economies are rolling up their lives in bali, indonesia, in a summit of the asia-pacific economic cooperation forum. they want to find ways to facilitate investments and freer trade.