you are watching france 24 "debate "in dept." could this be another acid test for europe? this time on immigration policy. how to prevent such tragedies and share the burden when it comes to economic, migrants, and political asylum seekers.

from guests, we ask if it could be europe to the rescue in the debate. we also have our media watch segments, plenty to say in the italian newspapers on the disaster with olivia salazar wins beer. we begin in the newsroom. >> european interior ministers gather in luxembourg to discover asylum seekers. italy has reportedly called for more assistance from the eu. as losses mount, alcatel lucent announce jobs will go including about 900 in france. they will try to limit the impact of their restructuring planned. barack obama and house speaker john boehner discussed the budget impasse as the u.s. government shutdown enters its second week. we go live to washington in a moment.

first to the u.s. where barack obama is due to address reporters in about an hour. a budget deadlock forced the closure of nonessential services. both sides say they just restated the existing bargaining positions. for now, let's go to our correspondent in washington, philip. they are both digging their heels in then? >> the phone, and happened at 1045 a.m. local is the kind of phone call you describe as cordial. those two really do not get along out all. no information as to whether this was a shouting match or not but these are clear and trenched positions we have right now. maybe a tiny glimmer of hope from the speaker of the house of representatives earlier today when he spoke to reporters and says he is not drawing any lines in the sand in terms of

negotiating over the upcoming debt limit increase or the government shutdown but still, looking very unlikely there will be any kind of negotiations between the two. john boehner wants the president to negotiate, talk thomas it down about what can be changed in terms of the health care reform in order for the government to open up again but straight off the bat, the press appearance, the phone call, and we will hear from the president in just under an hour who will presumably reiterate that he will not negotiate on any kind of temporary budget or on the debt ceiling increase. he says he's willing to negotiate but only once those two crises are solved. more of a political crisis and another a real upcoming economic crisis potentially. >> what more can you tell us about the debt ceiling limit? the deadline is looming.

>> the deadline is the 17th of october essentially when the united states runs out of money. they want, not to pay its bills and it gets closer to a default on its debt. we've been here before. this tends to be increased rather normally by congress but right now, two parties really don't get along and that means there is a lot of negotiations about everything. the last time we have this crisis was august 2011 and there was a last-minute solution between republicans and democrats in congress only after the markets really got scared and shortly afterwards the united states credit rating was downgraded. it looks like what we will see by the 17th of october will be these two crises coming together -- the government shut down and the risk of a default on u.s. debt. all of that meaning there is big negotiations that will have to take place at some moment but

for now, the white house says no negotiations out all. they want the government to open up again and the debt ceiling increase to happen just like that with no strings attached. republicans do not want that. >> philip in washington, thank you. eu interior ministers are meeting in luxembourg to discuss reforming the migration and asylum policies after 270 african migrants died when their boat sank. the european commission chief is heading to the italian island tomorrow. >> despite rain and falling temperatures, efforts to recover bodies have persisted for a third consecutive day on the italian island. they have brought up around 270 migrants who died when their boat sank last thursday. conditions for the retrieval are not easy with the wreck and 47 meters of water.

>> the boats have left but at the same time, we have a special operations unit equipped with a robot called a remotely operated vehicle that will go and explore the sea bottom in search of bodies. >> at least 500 migrants were onboard the vessel that had left from libya heading to one of the closest points of entry by acm at least 30,000 have tried to make the journey this year, three times more than in 2012. italian authorities are demanding for help to deal with the influx. >> we will ask him for matters that will prevent these journeys of hope and we will ask for new policies on asylum. >> out of 28 member states, only four are in favor of regulating the asylum-seekers. currently they are suggesting a

financial boost for the agency that monitors the european borders that has seen a budget cut 40% over the past three years. >> american forces captured a suspected al qaeda leader in tripoli apparently without the knowledge of the libyan authorities. john kerry has said he was an illeal land an appropriate target. earlier, the prime minister said libyan suspects should be tried at home and congress has demanded the u.s. return him to libya. a second team of disarmament experts are to head to syria. that is what the global chemical weapons watchdog has said. they are pleased with the regime's compliance so far with the plans. i have another three and a half weeks to destroy production facility and the goal being for the country's entire chemical stock pile to be destroyed by

mid-2014. britain and iran have embarked on a process that could lead to the real and he of embassies. that is what william hague announced earlier, two years after diplomatic discussions broke down. the comment coming after this. >> we will now appoint a nonresident tasked with implementing the building of relations including interim steps on the way towards the eventual reopening of both of our embassies. >> a crowd has gathered outside of the hospital where the president of argentina had surgery earlier. she says she is in good spirits and that the operation to remove a blood clot pushing on the right side of her brain was a success. she suffered an unexplained head injury.

now one day two of novell week. they have won the prize in physics. they were reworded for their work on the theory of the higgs boson. now i next finish and on my their discovery was so important. >> we always thought that mass and matter is the same thing but with the prediction and discovery, even though he died in 2011, the thing is that mass is actually generated by the interaction of particles with a field. this means that it does not have a mass per se but it is only coming from the interaction and this is just a tremendous breakthrough of how you imagine things to be, how matter is formed. it is not what we imagine

beforehand. >> the writing was on the wall land as part of the restructuring plan, alcatel lucent has announced the plan to cut 10,000 jobs. hundreds will be made here in france where the president says he will try to limit the impact of the plan. >> outside of the alcatel lucent land northern france, stunned staff gathered to hear the news, almost 1000 will be made redundant. this site is on the chopping block to be sold off. >> until this morning, we really knew nothing. it hurt. >> they gave us false hope i telling us this was a very good plants but in the end they say, you are not good after all. goodbye. >> this is part of a massive worldwide cut by the telecom

equipment manufacturer. in total they will shed 10,000 jobs, 1/7 of its workforce with the goal of cutting fixed cost by 15% and saving 15 billion euro by the end of 2015. french unions are promising to fight the plan. one year ago, they announced 1400 job cuts in france, more than 5000 worldwide. this is the sixth the job cut in seven years. >> the new bosses sweep in saying everything that happened before were wrong and the most recent plan did no good. it was not the right way to go. >> they have been struggling since its creation in a merger between french alcatel and american lucent. in 2012 the net loss was 1.2 billion euro. they insist the redundancy plan will save jobs in the long run as part of a global restructuring to focus on future technologies.

that's it from the newsroom and it's time to go to francois for the debate. >> the fishermen knew all about african migrants because they regularly rescue them but it has taken a momentous tragedy for them to realize they do not have a policy. most of what's on the books is about keeping migrants out and not saving human lives. as they plunged off of the sicilian island in search of corpses from the shipwreck of the death toll approaches 300, the europe interior and immigration ministers have been meeting in brussels to discuss future rescue operations and the delicate topic of how to share the burden. >> we cannot deal with this tragedy alone. we must face it together with europe. we must give answers to those who flee, need protection, come here for help.

>> how much solidarity are the mainstream parties willing to show with the far right relay down the collective next? will reform make europe an even greater magnifier economic migrants desperate for a better life? or for political asylum seekers. can those who call for a federated continent rise to this challenge? today in the debate, can europe come to the rescue? from strasberg, a dutch member of the european parliament, judith of the green party. thank you for joining us from copenhagen, anthropologist on african migrants living on the margins in southern italy. your op-ed piece is in this tuesday's edition of the international herald tribune. also, from the euro skip the --

euro skeptic party. the debate where you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. #f24debate. the latest death toll now stands at 274. our team went to the southernmost island closer to africa than to mainland italy. >> dozens are lined up close together on the second floor of one of the cap derricks. the young men resting here are from eritrea most with few or no personal belongings and they are exhausted after a grueling ordeal. one of the survivors agreed to meet our team outside of the camp. the barbed wire here does not stop anyone from wandering outside. out of sight behind some trees,

recounting the last tragic hours of his journey at sea. >> 500 people, 16 children, 85 women. the coast was only a few hundred meters away. >> on average 300 and two people were killed. >> for many, the journey is not in your. >> am looking for a country with a strong economy because we are told there is no work here. it is not all sorted out yet, but i want to go to switzerland.

>> they fled hunger, poverty, and corruption hoping that it will be a gateway to europe. >> hans, where will those people wind up eventually? >> they will eventually wind up probably in the underground economy of italy and find work, undocumented work, there and asylum. >> 6000 inhabitants on the island itself. when you go there, what is like e -- what is it like geck? >> i've never been there.

>> when you see the situation there, how much are you feeling the pressure of this migration. apparently it is three times more than normal since the start of the year with these migrants. >> that is true. you have to look at the numbers also in a bigger is like over the last 10 years, maybe. if you look at over the last 10 years, the numbers are not that amazingly big. in 2008, it was about the same, but the tragedy here, the enormous loss of human life, it has really shocked the system in many ways. it raises a lot of questions about what could be done. it raises questions about the moral integrity of our policies and our institutions in europe. it raises questions about whether we should maybe focus more on humanitarian intervention than on more

control and surveillance. >> judith, you are and straws pirg where the european parliament is meeting. the meeting of immigration and interior ministers is taking place in brussels -- you are in strasberg. is there a sense things will be different inside the european parliament when it comes to this issue? >> i would like to think that but i'm afraid not. i hear myself in an e -- thank you. i'm afraid that what will happen is the ministers for justice and home affairs will agree on more appropriation and maybe also save some lives but they will not deal with the fact that there are a lot of refugees arriving in the south of europe

that are not getting the protection and the care that they need where the north and the west of europe, my own country, the netherlands, do nothing and just let the south solve the problem. >> is this the case of an issue where it is europe that has to solve it? >> europe could have a way to solve it. in an interview yesterday, they explain that a great europe would be a europe that help africa that could build a plan to do for africa with the united states has done to europe after the second world war and that could he a great project. we not only need to deal with tragedy. we also need to help africa to

grow in the future and to fight poverty there because all of the fights were one against harvard he were in asia and not against africa as the united nations report has shown us recently. >> do you agree with judith that there has to be a new look and how we look at this issue that we look not just in how to keep people out and how to help them more in terms of the immediate need? >> i think there are two ways. first, we need africa to help africa to grow and fight harvard he there. >> that is long-term. >> in the short term, we need to keep our borders safe. if we let more people get in, then more are going to try and then there are going to be more tragedies like the one we had here. we need to be rather strict and firm within our borders and then

it would be a deal with the european population to help africa grow faster and fight poverty. >> how to be strict and firm by keeping the borders is an issue that we're going to broach. remember, a few short years ago, the italian prime minister was paying muammar gaddafi to keep immigrants out and take back those that wrongly expelled in exchange for money. the tone in brussels is very different ahead of the meeting of eu interior and immigration ministers. >> i suggested the member states that they organize something right across the mediterranean from cyprus to spain for a large search and rescue operation and i will ask for the support and the necessary resources to do it to save as many lives as we can. >> the organization that is in charge of all of this, what do

you think will be the outcome of that meeting in brussels? >> if it's going to be strengthening, it means we will have stronger border control and maybe rescue more people out of the sea, but they have two aims that cannot be combined, namely stopping people entering the european union and rescuing people. if i hear a colleague in the debates say we should be strict on our borders, then we are forgetting that these are people that are fleeing from more that are political refugees and they choose between the bullet or the sea. the answer of the european ministers in brussels is going to be not much more than let's patrol our waters and fish these people out of the sea or push

them back or make another deal with libya. nowadays, the government in italy has not changed its tune and it is still looking for deals to countries on the other side of the mediterranean. >> the number is staggering, 20 thousand have reportedly drowned over the last decade trying to make it to europe. when you say to seal the borders, what do you mean? >> when i say seal the border, the person just before me said it well. have a more controls over our european borders enable us, first, to stop and reduce illegal immigration and that is something europe needs because right now we are not able to integrate those peoples. second, it would help us in preventing those kinds of horrible things that happened in this tragedy.

>> fortress europe is clearly not working. its walls are not as porous as they were a few years ago but we are still having the situation that we saw on the last few days. tragedy on our doorstep. >> if we open up and let more migrants come in, more and more are going to try to come and if we do not have any, then we're are going to have other tragedies. we need to send a signal to african countries. first, solidarity. we need to help them to grow. that is something where europe has done nothing in the last decade and that is a shame for europe. we could have done with the u.s. did for europe but we also need to be strict on our frontiers because otherwise more and more migrants are going to come and we are going to have more tragedies. >> judas.

>> honestly, i hear people speaking about migrants when we are talking about refugees. these who drowned would have all gone political asylum. we cease.'s going overland to egypt and libya to get onto boats. nobody is doubting that syria is in war and neighboring countries are already taking the burden of 2 million refugees. then we are talking about protecting our borders against migrants? we should resettle with the refugee camps all over the world, africa, the middle east, and give them a fair home. i would like to give my colleague one thing, indeed, we need to work on the development of africa to give people a fair chance but nobody at the moment no caps off the dictatorship here or the war in syria.

even obama does not know. >> from searle field berlusconi's party echoing the call for solidarity among all european nations that we heard from his minister at the top of the show. >> at this moment, we went first to remember the victims but also to look forward to the future and make it possible that europe will provide solutions for this as it is not possible for just one country to deal with it on its own. >> however, the leader of the french mainstream conservatives as they are in the same voting bloc in the parliament quoted by the french news agency is calling for sanctions and exclusion for those who do not control the outer borders despite their commitments to do so. he gets back to a judas was saying about the ambiguity here

between this pan-european organizations supposed to be doing. on the one hand, keeping people out and on the other helping them. there seems to be politicians who really want to focus more on just keeping them out. >> it's natural. >> even one half -- even after what happens here? >> we want to reduce the influx of immigrants. it's a tragedy and we want to prevent them from happening ever again in europe and that is critical. nevertheless, right now in europe, public opinion, with reason, it does not want more migrants to come because unemployment has exploded for the last five years and if we keep opening up our borders, in 10 years, we will only have the

far right people at the head of governments in europe. if we want to stop this direction, we need to be more strict. >> and that is why a national government is so jealously protecting because they know they can go into a campaign on reducing the number of refugees. immigrants who have either -- entered in other ways of illegal channels. it is clear that trying to reach a common agreement among 28 nations all of whom in some type of economic stress, obviously you will not reach a common agreement on this very, very sensitive issue. quick she predicts the meeting could be quite stormy. 24 out of 28 are against

changing asylum laws. when you look at the final destinations are for these migrants, 70% traveling to their choice destination, germany because of the economic conditions there, then france, sweden, britain, belgium. when you look at where these asylum seekers want to go, what does that say about what europe should be doing? hans? we seem to have lost the connection there. judas, we will get your reaction after a quick rate. stay with us. much more to come.

>> welcome. before we resume the debate, stories that we will be following at the top of the hour. wind only time to compromise in washington. one week into the partial shutdown with the dead deal looming, the republicans offering to sit down and talk. barack obama do to address reporters at the top of the hour. for the second day running, islamist terrorists from power in northern mali attacking this time to their bridges. these comments francis said to draw down its presence in the former west african colony. the cleanup this tuesday in são paulo after demonstrations by striking teachers in rio and south hollow turned violent. the eu parliament rejects proposals for electronic cigarettes to be sold on medicinal grounds but approves a ban on menthol and other a -- flavorings to further

curb smoking. we'll have those stories and much more on the top of the hour. welcome back or welcome if you are just pointing us. this is the debate. in brussels, ministers are discussing what to do in the tragedy of 274 african migrants killed in a boat capsizing off the coast of the island but belongs to italy. with us to talk about it, from strasburg, a dutch member of parliament from the green party, judas. hans is back with us from copenhagen, an anthropologist. and the author of "darkness before daybreak, african migrants living on the margins,"

the euro skeptic party and from the international sales -- affairs desk and not young. we were talking just before the break. judas, i will start with you. when you look at where these migrants want to know, what does it tell you about what europe should do? >> europe should be a solidarity that shares the burden of the refugees coming. i refuse to believe the european citizens do not want to give shelter to political refugees or people fleeing from more. if we can share the economics, share a coin, we have to share this as well. i also plea with the european ministers, not only those from

italy and greece but particularly those from germany, belgium, the netherlands, to show that they understand that they do not only have to help refugees but their colleagues in italy, greece, and malta by taking over these refugees. >> i think there should be a limit, a limit for the safety of asylum seekers. if they feel the more they come, the more they're going to be able to live in europe, more will come which means more tragedy. we need a consensus among european politicians and populations. europe cannot say, you must pay more tax those. you must get your social security benefits, and then you need to have more asylum seekers

and take care of them. it is not possible. >> i know in the op-ed piece you wrote, you said officials in brussels are expected to unveil a new border surveillance system for the europe he and union. >> i lost you again. >> we are not having much luck. you are alarmed by officials in brussels due to unveil a new border surveillance system. >> they're looking at this terrible tragedy and their and king, are we about to -- they are thinking, we are about to use more money on more surveillance, more control, more police when what is needed is a way to save the people who are distressed and let me just add

that the numbers we have seen coming over the mediterranean are small, a fraction, of the total number of people coming into europe every year. it is well within the capacity to deal with them and make sure their lives are safe and also to make sure they have the possibility to seek asylum. i'm worried about the security paradigm being put down over migrants and refugees. i'm worried about how leaders want to externalize or outsource procedures to countries like libya who clearly have a very bad record on human rights. >> you mention libya. >> may i comment cap go -- me i comment?

they're coming on thursday and i agree along with what he says because we are putting up a technical system that gives us more information on how to keep refugees out of the european union instead of helping them to a safer place. in the meantime, we have built a wall, a fence between the turkish and greek border allowing people to know more come in through land and it forces them to go for the more insecure route of the sea. we have seen more people drowning now between turkey and greece. what do we do? 600 million euros for a technical application that is only needed to point out to other countries that refugees are coming our way. help us stop them. the greens will not be in favor, i think. >> they are saying the 244

million from 2014-2020 for this surveillance system. is it money well spent? >> yes, i think. it is not a big amount when we look at the european budget for six or seven years. it is one trillion euros so that is not much. >> the reality is -- >> it prevents people from coming because they know it will be harder and they will have less -- >> it does not stop them coming. the reality is why we have a global financial crisis and wealthy countries on the periphery which are clearly struggling economically, you're always going to have people wanting to take a risk who will pay thousands of dollars or euro to bring them across the borders. i can speak as an australian as well as someone who lives in europe.

in australia, people will risk an extraordinary journey for places from afghanistan, iraq, iran. maybe because they are political refugees but primarily they want a better life. coming back to what i said, the problem here is a lack of consensus. they have had their budgets slashed somewhere close to 30% or 40% in the last three years. this agency is based in warsaw and they are tasked with the responsibility of going out and doing the search-and-rescue operations. now they are turning around and sing to the other governments, time to cough up more money. i expect the answer will be a bit a cannot. -- that they cannot. >> the tunisian captain of the boat that sank has been arrested.

throwing the spotlight on criminal networks that prey on migrants for smuggling. landing in europe is really only the last leg of a perilous journey. help us out with this. they have to go through ethiopia, sudan, egypt. >> the problem here is especially the sahara desert. crossing that is probably as dangerous if not more so than crossing the mediterranean. over the years, thousands of people have died this way, uncountable numbers. there is no public scrutiny, nobody keeping numbers on these deserted areas of africa. we have to consider the fact that even before they hit the transit countries and the boats many have perished along the way already.

let me just add to the whole control discussion, there is no evidence to suit just add a few be -- these up this that people will stop coming. on the contrary. we see that people seek out new routes and that they appear. they seek out more desperate measures to come to europe. in fact, we should question whether the whole control and surveillance issue is really helpful when it comes to stopping migrants and refugees. >> he mentioned earlier libya and how to help with these. there was this report. >> hundreds of illegal african migrants grouped together in this sport after crossing the

desert on the way to europe. these days, libya has become a major transit point for migrants to get overseas leaving the nation's coast guard badly stretched. >> despite our feeble means, according to statistics that we have, we were able to help more than 3000 illegals in the libyan waters between the months of july and the end of september with italy's help. >> migrants are constantly arriving from across the continents weather over land and by boat from the horn of africa. they are highly organized than they care little about what happens to their passengers. >> illegal immigrants are tricked by smugglers who use nothing more than a leaky tubs. when we get to them to help, we find them exhausted because they have no experience at sea.

>> once apprehended, illegal migrants are sent to detention centers like this one. or some, europe was never the final destination. they want to stay and work in libya. >> i see them as people who know nothing. i could not cross the sea by getting in a boat just to kill myself. there is life and africa. i don't want to go to europe and lose that time for nothing. >> given the rising tide of such migrants, libya is struggling to monitor its borders, a situation that only worsens following the qaddafi regime downfall two years ago. >> what should europe be doing to crack down on the smugglers who pray on these migrants?

>> they are criminals. if you are a refugee and you want to enter the european union and you are not allowed to knock on the door of a european embassy outside of the european union to ask for asylum, how do you get here you g? you can only pay 1500, 2000 euros. >> that is the suggestion put forward by sweden to have a common procedure. >> i would back that. it would be good if we first of all invite much more refugees that are from that camp. for instance, tunisia, 4000 people are waiting to have fled from libya and before that sudan and so on and they have nowhere to go. we could and that in tunisia and

take the 4000 refugees and rehouse them in the european union. second, let's look at asylum possibilities and our embassies because the only way to stop people entering on boats in choosing between the bullet and do you see is to give them another option. it is not us polling of these people. they are being pushed away. i've been to sicily. i've been to athens. it's terrific. still, it is a choice above where they come from. -- it is a terrific. -- it is horrific. >> can i comment on that? >> go ahead. >> i've done a lot of research

and i've done interviews with migrants and people who have worked on the boats as cap tends. often they are not driven by smugglers but by migrants to get a free ride. very often, the libyan authorities are very involved in the process. i'm amused when i hear these libyan authority figures speaking out when in fact many times it is libyan police and the libyan navy that is involved in the smuggling. secondly, the heme you -- the human smugglers do not need to fold them that the trip is not risky or dangerous and that some kind of el dorado was rating -- awaiting. they know very well that it is a very dangerous journey in the whole idea is a bit condescending. what we should focus on is the reason for them, for why they

are coming, not the whole idea that they have been fooled into, and by some criminal network. >> i want to pick up on what you said there. they are seeing a very oppressive regime. for thousand of them. she says to let them in. >> we have some asylum seekers that are coming every year in france, around 30,000. >> these are human beings, real people. should we let them in? >> we should discuss it. one of our proposals is to say that we need to put a maximum number for asylum seekers. of course, france will have to take it share but it is a share that needs to be debated and

that needs to be agreed upon with the population and also the parliament. >> should there be a common european policy when it comes to asylum seekers so you can go to the french consulate? >> i'm completely against that. i don't think we can agree in 28 countries on a single and united policy and that is what we are seeing right now, 24 countries opposing the proposal. we need to have the confidence and we need to know our frontier , no who was coming in, coming out, and order to make some decisions. when we do not have the control of our frontiers, then people tend to be more frightened than more conservative because there is no control. >> there is nothing i -- worse than the idea of a queue jumper

or a line jumper. just a few points i want to make. first of all, the eu is touting the mobility partnership they have with a moroccan government. in return for giving asylum to moroccan students, they are being asked in doing their fair share to prevent them from leaving, however they have been saying that it has not been done in a fair and respect the bowl manner in terms of possible human rights abuses being carried out by officials in order to prevent people getting on boats. it's an extraordinarily complicated problem and it extends across the scale in terms of officials the it in libya, somalia, all along the take. it is not so long a european problem but a global problem between wealthy countries and those who are not so. >> thus rings us back to the

suggestion you made, that there should be some kind of marshall plan for africa. we have seen the millennium goals and we know that it is already a huge donor of aid to the continent itself. in the long run, how do you taylor that policy so that you really do have some kind of reason to give people to not come and work under precarious conditions. >> it is not going to do it, honestly. we are the biggest financer of development aid to africa but we are also the biggest traitor and we are not trading fair. we are not investing fair. we still block our markets of products from africa and i think what would really help to make africa prosper and stop the need for economic migration, not for bid, but stop the need, as much as possible is fair trade and

fair investments which means that we will import agricultural products that may be french farms are not so happy with. that is the way you develop africa. real, fair, global trade. >> he were shaking your head. >> i don't agree at all. >> raw materials coming out of africa that we are paying under the odds for what the real value is. >> the trouble is africa has opened its borders too much -- >> under the pressure. >> too much free trade is dangerous for africa because the wages are not that much higher in asia. it's influx structures are not strong enough to fight within

the world competition. for that we will agree. >> i say is that they should -- >> they need to protect their industry, there agriculture, in order to grow and strengthen themselves and the global competition. >> i agree. africa should have the right to protect their markets against our product if they are still building their markets but i'm talking about the other way around. we are blocking our market and we are buying it up to cheap. for instance, we do not have import taxes on raw materials will be due unprocessed goods which means that we can do the work and africa can only provide us with raw materials? where the real employment is in produced. that is what i mean about fair trade and fair investments.

>> it's a topic that we will of course continue to follow. judith, thank you for joining us from the european parliament in strasberg. hans, thank you for joining us. olivia, our media watch segment. we have been looking at the italian newspapers. >> in deed. the editorials are very accusatory starting with this one. an article pointing the finger saying it's not the fault of the migrants or italy. they have been completely unaware of the scale of the problem of illegal immigration and point out a goes beyond sovereignty and the only thing that could work which would be union wide and there's no point in looking at italy. they bring up this argument that the division we have seen between northern and southern europe, italy greece, malta, and

spain are those affecting -- are those affect did. they need to sit up and take notice because we are those affect did. it is never more better illustrated in this illustration where the highest amount of death or disappeared people are and it's all over the coast of north africa and very much concentrated in southern europe, nothing really above naples. that shows the statistics quite obviously. this is another italian paper and they bring spain into the debate quoting the article where they say that this is the result of or truce europe because the controls are too tight. just to recap, they had a very controversial headline on the front page saying only the dead can stay referring to this very sad fact that the victims of

this accident were given citizenship to be buried on the island. this is how you get into europe. another very shocking, provocative headline writing in "the guardian." he said the boat sinking was no accident and it should and could have been prevented. because the mediterranean a graveyard in his article and he points the finger at the far right politicians in his country, italy, like the northern league you have whipped up the xena phobia to create a climate that is so hostile to immigration reform that it is very hypocritical of italian right wing politicians to point the finger because they are at fault as well. if we just go to france here, another very provocative front page. this is a magazine that comes

out weekly here. very much on the left. just translating slightly this headline that says, the mediterranean is now applying this program is a caricature. this is very far-fetched, basically trying to align the two ideas, potentially libelous and they do not shy away from this. again, pointing the finger at far right politics in europe. >> meanwhile, another country trying to keep u out migrants oa different sort. >> kuwait will be screening ex- pat treats to check and detect if they are homosexual or not. this was reported in a regional paper, gulf news, in dubai where homosexuality is illegal. there are no details. >> how would they screen you to find out?

>> there is absolutely no detail in this article about how they propose to do it. lots of speculation saying they think it will just be an hiv test. it will be a blood test which will conflates hiv with homosexuality. kuwait thinks they're gay darr is good enough to ban them. -- gaydar is good enough. >> thank you for joining us in the france vingt-quatre debate. much more to come here on france vingt-quatre. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org--

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