been categorizing those phone calls. vatican spokesman quickly dismissed these allegations and said "we don't know anything about this and in any case we don't have any concerns about it." the n.s.a. said -- >> the national security agency does not target the vatican. assertions that the n.s.a. has targeted the vatican published in it will italy's pano rama are not true. we now know that the spy agency has monitored the communications of 35 different world leaders along with many of the citizens in their respective countries. here to give us a little more insight on how the church was responding to the allegations, i was joined by jimmy aiken.

i started by asking him how detrimental this was with u.s. relations with the vatican. >> i don't think they're particularly detrimental. the attitude that father lombardi displayed in his statement i think is pretty cal of what you would expect. -- pretty typical of what you would expect. the italian press is pretty rumor fed. you can't place any confidence in what it says normally. but in this case, we know that all the major world powers spy on all the other major world powers all the time. i don't think the report is particularly endowed. i would assume na that the -- that the n.s.a. is spying on every country like. >> i mean, what do you really make of that response? >> i think the difference is because of what the vatican is. if you're a normal country like

germany or england or france, you know the u.s. is spying on you. but when that comes to the attention of the press you want to act outraged to reassure your population that you're taking steps to deal with the problem. on the other hand, the holy sea is not a normal nation. it's not concerned with national politicking the way france or germany or england would be. instead the message is to relay the message of jesus christ to the world. >> we've long heard his rail against income inequality. why do you think the n.s.a. even cares about what's going on at the vatican? >> well, the holy sea is the head of the catholic church. i mean, it's the organization that heads the catholic church

and one in six human beings are a catholic. that means that the pope has a lot of influence in the world and it would be natural that the u.s. would be interested on what they're planning on doing. indeed the holy sea has cooperated with the nust the past. it had a role in ending the cold war and bringing down the soviet block. pope john paul ii corporated margaret thatcher and ronald reagan. he did it behind the scenes. . the holy sea has taken positions that influenced american policies in other ways. most recently when president obama seemed to go to war with syria, the pope had a day of prayer to stop that and guess what, we're not at war with syria. according to the magazine, the n.s.a. has been categorizing the vatican's communication into four different categories. i want to take a look at them.

there's leadership intentions, what they call leadership intentions, foreign policy objectives, human rights and then threats of the financial system. i find the last one to the financial system. what threats to the financial system does the vatican pose? >> that's a bit of a head scratcher because it doesn't have a particularly large amount of economic clout. occasionally they make comments about policy suggestion for how to help the world economy and how to help the world develop particularly in the developing world but it doesn't wield a lot of financial power. it isn't that big financially. it does have an institute. now, there's the institute for the works of religion which is kind of a bank that's set up to help coordinate charitable activities and currently the pope -- both pope francis and pope benedict had been working to kind of clean up some of the

activity and put the vatican bank in a more rigorous footing. but it's a small bank in the scale of things. and so i don't really know what kind of threats they would imagine the holy sea would pose. >> it's very, very interesting i appreciate you giving us some insight. jimmy aken, senior apoll gist. >> the white house said in a statement that the discussion between the leaders will focus on the long-term relationship between iran and the relationship. that partnership is something the prime minister is extremely concerned about as the security and stability of the rock unravels. prime minister al-maliki made the message today while speaking at the united states institute of peace. >> there's one message iraq's prime minister has been pushing

during his visit to washington, d.c. this week. help me fight terrorism in my country, a cause, maliki says will not only help iraq but the region. here's what he said during the speech this morning in washington, d.c. >> fought by all countries and societies worldwide. we want an international war, a global war against terror. if we had a war we would assert world war against those who are killing people, killing populations who are calling for bloodshed for ignorance. and to not want logic to govern our daily life. >> it remains the same a raise of attack hundreds of civilians. maliki says is a rise in

violence in syria. he's trying to convince the administration to step up their support to help them fight terrorism in iraq is having trouble convincing them. congress takes a harder line on iraq than obama sent a let tore the u.s. president asking him to be tougher on maliki. in it, they say they blame the maliki government for the rise of violence in iraq. the letter says that maliki per sues the sectarian and authority tarne agenda which strengthens them. senator mccain one of six republicans who signed the letter says that washington's assistance to iraq should be tied to a new more developed strategy in iraq. so experts know that maliki will face many challenges in trying to convince both the administration and congress to as he said in his speech make a fresh start in a complicated relationship with the u.s.

in his meeting with president obama at the white house tomorrow is only one step forward on a very bumpy road. >> and the international chemical weapons watchdog group responsible for overseaing the destruction of syria's chemical weapon says they've met their deadline. the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons says, it's teams inspected 21 out of 23 chemical weapon sights across the country. the other two were too dangerous to inspect but the chemical equipment had been transported to security sights. at a special senate foreign relations hearing these facts were presented. >> nearly two months ago they approved using military force in

syria. it was a close vote in the committee. 10 senators supported using force. seven senators against. but ultimately u.s. military steps were averted. approved by syria and the u.n. security council to turn over chemical weapons for destruction. war was averted. well, today that same senate foreign relations committee met again to be updated on the situation. this comes after the prohibition of chemical weapons announced syria will meet to have all chemical weapon production and mixing facilities destroyed. given the progress made over the intervening months cruising diplomacy instead of military strikes, some senators question the ability of the u.s. military to solve problems around the world. >> we have to approach all of this with a lot of humility

given what we've learned after we intervened in iraq and libya in afghanistan after what would go on in syria. and we would have a little bit of humility. >> there's a fatigue that the american public are feeling now about the limits of our efforts in this part of the world as senator markey mentioned. we need to have humility about the effects of our outcofment >> disarming syria is just one issue. the other is is the civil war that has claimed the lives of more than 100,000 people and created a humanitarian crisis while racing for another two years. with the talks in geneva, robert ford says the u.s. must continue its support to the syrian opposition to strengthen their hand with the u.s. and the

opposition will demand assad step down from power. but ultimately this is a problem that needs to be solved by syrians not but u.s. missiles. >> syrians must fix this problem and ultimately senator it's going to require them to sit down at a table. the sooner they start, the better. but in the meantime, we will keep helping the opposition, senator. >> in response, senator bob corker and john mccain one of the fearest war hawks in the senate express regret that the u.s. hasn't done more militarily to help the opposition. >> i think the help to the opposition has been an embarrassment. and i find it appalling that you would sit here and act as if we're doing the things we said we would do. >> i'm now in a position tragically where i know will have to rely on the saudis to provide them with the weapons

that they need because it's patently obviously that the united states of america is not going to do so. >> so there are still a lot of varying opinions on this senator foreign committee. but for now most senators want to keep diplomacy working which is a big change when the same senators stepped to the precipice of war. on capitol hill in washington, d.c., sam sacks, "rt." >> a new video shows a u.s. marine sternly addressing john mccain at a town hall meeting in his home state of arizona. his name is blaine cooper read an impassioned letter where he called him treasonnist for encouraging thed a -- to encouraging to act against syria. >> you have went against will of

your people. and syria regardless of your position and vote whether it's a yes or no, it's still a political smoke screen. you swore an oath to protect us and protect from all enemies both foreign and domestic, the simple irony is the domestic enemy now in this country is the people in government of the united states. and mccain and you and the rest of our leaders are accountable for their actions. >> i was joined earlier by marine blaine keeper himself to talk a little bit more about what happened that day and first asked him what pushed him to accuse senator mccain of treason in such a bold fashion. >> well, with the destablization in syria, i felt as a citizen and what's going on in government that a lot of these people that i talk to throughout the internet who are very good close friends of mine throughout the middle east and here and the states wanted to be able to tell ths to their leaders but nobody is going to their leaders an

telling them these things and asking them these questions, you know, why are we funding an al-qaeda civil war in syria. the u.s. policies in the middle east and in syria are destabilizing the region and countless are being killed because of it. i felt i had to say something because nobody else was. >> indeed, it was very bold. i'm interested to get your opinion specifically on syria. why do you think the u.s. government was so intent on pushing to intervene militarily? >> it's funny how they use the children as a weapon to try to get military intervention in syria. i believe it's over an oil gas line that's running through syria. seems that all of our wars we pushed have a deeper agenda. america tries to run under the guise that we're trying to fight terrorism but really it's about resources, i believe. >> sure. and you are of course a marine.

would you say that there are others in the marine corps that have similar concerns or beliefs? >> oh, yes, definitely, thousands and that's why i had to go confront them the way i did because a lot of them want to ask these questions and ask the politicians why are you doing this. >> and you seemed pretty sure in your speech that the u.s. is aiding terrorists. some of these elected officials have defended their actions by saying they're only working off the evidence they've been provided by intelligence agencies. where's the discrepancies? do you think they're getting tall information needed to make their decisions? >> i think what the politicians are liing to the american people. think they know darn well what they're doing specifically in egypt where you have 35,000 people rise up against muhammad

morossi. the government gave them $1.3 million. obama was a big supporter and he's part of the muslim brotherhood. the people in egypt, they stood up 30% of those people were christians and said we're just not going to do it anymore and they threw out moment morossi. lindsey graham and john mccain tried to get them back in power after people through them out. >> i do want to look at what senator mccain had to say in response to your statement. i'm going to play that right now. >> well, sir, i look forward to you running for office. no one's preventing you from that even in this treasonist country. i understand there's a great deal of controversy about some issues but honestly sir when you say that we are guilty of treason that is something that frankly i can't dignify with a response. >> so mccain said that responding would be beneath him. he couldn't dignify it with a response. i'll give you an opportunity to respond to that since you didn't

at the town hall. what are your thoughts? >> well, my thoughts would be why does he feel it's beneath him? the people elected him to do a job to represent people and clearly the politicians are representing sthemses. so i think that -- themselves. so i think he owes all the american people a response of why he's -- why the politicians are doing this in the middle east and in syria. >> that was blaine keeper, u.s. marine and activist. >> and more than 1,000 people gathered this week in santa rosa, california to protest the failed shooting of 13-year-old andy lopez. it was just a week thoog the teenager was shot and killed bay county sheriff who saw lopez holding a pellet gun that resembled an a.k. 47 rival. >> two sonoma county deputies saw lopez what they saw was a rifle. the officers allegely repeated

asked to drop the weapon and when he turned to face the officers the deputy shot the boy seven times. the parents and the community of andy lopez are frustrated over the shooting. they say it didn't have to happen. and they brought that frustration to a rally this week where they carried sign where they said we are andy lopez. the whole damn system has to die. to talk about this i spoke with ramon gallindo. i asked him what protestors think -- excuse me -- could or should have been done to prevent this incident. >> well, this community in santa rosa in northern california is in a state of shock after the shooting of 13-year-old andy lopez. the deputy thought he was in danger and the community was in danger when he saw andy lopez's

toy gun. he done know it was a toy gun at the time because it resembles an a.k. so much. so many people in the community are still wondering why it is that somebody that is so highly trained could not useless lethal way of confronting andy lopez from the sounds of the testimony of the deputies n the- themselves. this all happened very quickly. and as we have seen over the past week, thousands of people have come out to show their support and love for the family. >> and at this point is there any investigation open as to whether this deputy even acted appropriately in the way he used his welcome while on duty. >> right, well, the deputy involved in this shooting has been placed on administrative leave. he's a veteran of over two decades in law enforcement. the f.b.i. has launched their

own independent foundation. i'm still waiting for a response from them. the petaluma p.d. are investigating. in sonoma county there's been a protocol that an officer involved shooting cannot investigate themselves and this comes from a string of officer involved shootings back in the 1990's there in sonoma county. but still there are many in the community who fear that there's not enough transparency in this and that this case will turn out like so many other police shootings where the shooting is ruled justified. >> and interestingly ramon, when andy lopez was shot he was wearing a hoodie which is a pretty big symbol. there were others in the rally wearing hoodies as they protested. do you think this incident reminded people at all of what happened in the case of trayvon

martin. did you see the issue of race or racial profiling discussed at all? >> the problem of racial profiling and police brutality has been a big issue in the area even before trayvon martin. the shooting of oscar grant has gone viral on youtube. andy lopez was wearing a hooded sweat shirt. -- the hoodie was not up at the time of the shooting. in this community there does steam be a lot of -- a lot of animosity between the latino community and police. in fact, sonoma county sheriff has a latino outreach community which shows that this animosity goes way back. and from the looks of the response we saw following this shooting that animosity is quite still strong. >> as i understand during this rally there was a police presence. can you talk a little bit about

the rationale,? where there are arrests made? were the protests peaceful? >> well, the family of andy lopez has pleaded with the public and demonstrated to remain peaceful and they've heeded those calls. we've seen picture of police in rag gear trying to protect certain property from protestors. they expected and have lay tors. things have remained peaceful. from the looks of it. there will continue to be rallies in order to lend support to andy lopez's familiar lip and to keep this case in the public limelight home b that justice will be served either way. >> absolutely. we'll have you back on again. "rt's" ramon ga lindo. >> you bet. >> and two e-mail encryption

services are making head lines again but this time it's not because they've shut down their operations but rather because they're starting a new one. the two companies are joining forces to use easy to use snoop-proof e-mail. it's called the dark mail alliance and it's expected to launch in 2014. the project involves creating an open source protocol that will give encryption individuals. they cannot use unencrypted data to the government. that what happened with lava bit. the company used by edward snowden shut down its operation in a bid to resist surveillance. silent circle then followed suit for fear that it would be require dod do the same. now mike jenky the c.e.o. of silent circle had this to say about the new joint venture. we believe e smail fundamentally broken in its current architecture. this is an opportunity to create

a new ex-mail service where the keys are to create on the device and only the user can descript it. i'm joined by "rt" web producers andrew blake. tell me about this new venture, dark mail alliance. how is it going to work? >> you pretty much hit the nail on the head. it's going to be a few weeks before they release white paper. people are just finding out about it literally this week. what it would create a whole new protocol. e-mails we've been using it for decades. there have been minor changes. and it has been more secure as the technology has allowed that to happen. at the same time as you just heard from mr. jenky that a lot of people who are involved in this industry including representatives from lava bit and silent circle believe that it is no longer a form of communication that can be are --

that can be trusted. dark mail would be e-mail 3.0. let's have a whow whole new structure of receiving and sending e-mails but everything is going to be encrypted in multiple ways and multiple levels. the key is perfect mobile secrecy. right now the things is https. you see the lock icon that means everything is being secured by s.s.l. and this is long and boring. so i'm going to cut myself off right there. but i'll tell you that that's really secure. but once that single key is compromised all the data itself is compromised. what this would do, it would allow the individual user ona the smartphone or the lap to be to decode the messages. and the information would never be served on servers unless it's

fully encrypted. and everybody in that case the dark mail people who whom ever they licensed or whom ever is taking care offer this open source code they can't access this information. it's going to be just nothing but a mess and it would really be the most secure way possible of sending and receiving. >> so it would definitely give the user more control over their information. but doesn't it depend on companies signing on as well? how does that work? >> well, in theory, companies like google, yahoo! and mike soft will don't the dark mail protocol. and the people behind this company say well, in three or four years some of the bigger names will sign on and will use our infrastructure and they will be able to send e-mails. but are those companies necessarily going to sign on? that's a really difficult question because those companies are making all of their money off of their user. if you're concerned about

privacy it's absolutely horrible. the reason these services are free is because they're able to peruse your content and target you with ads and make a buck invading your privacy. and that's exactly why it's free. so are people going to pay for a service that's going to be maybe not as convenient? >> i'm sure -- how much do we expect something like that to be? >> like price-wise? >> yeah. >> there was a study from 2011 that just initiating just that extra step of being able to get information decode within more extra time over cost 15% over sending a traditional message over the internet. think about when you have billions and billions of messages -- >> adds up. >> especially like google and yahoo!. >> i want to ask you, the c.e.o. of silent circle said our vision is three or four years from now that this will become e-mail

3.07 the way users use e-mail. do you think that's a long shot? >> it might have been a long shot three or four months ago but now with the revelations how the n.s.a. isn't corporating just with companies by having a front door access. we heard of all the prism and upscreen a few months ago. what we saw is that they're actually illegally too realize g is security, then we might see that >> thanks for breaking that down. >> i tried. >> our "rt" web introducer andrew blake. >> and that does it for now. i'm ameera david.

hello and welcome to nhk. it's friday, november 1st. i'm catherine kobayashi in tokyo. the united states faces growing criticism national security agency's targeted spying. however an alliance was formed after world war two that excluded five countries. it was called five ewh