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energizes us glimpses of what is this. peace on it. but consistently and its respective hoping to woo woo hoo hoo. you get. our. back to what you've asked and dance to meet up with ruby falls to get the paper to start the hour ago the latest news headlines china offered to broker peace between south seas than this. s the sudanese president omar al bashir has a surprise trip to cuba. the government offensive so far in the western iraqi city of both the job of prime minister instead called on local militias. the job
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itself to flush out the product. as temperatures hit the midwest you ask two decades forcing the closure of schools and airports are to or text how moving east eye. the all. you could call it the unprecedented china getting involved in african diplomacy in an active way beijing offering to get involved to broker the peace in south sudan the visiting chinese foreign ministry ethiopia's capital where warring factions from africa's new state. finally and grudgingly sitting down at the bargaining table china which buys most of june was oil to go with sudan's president omar al bashir in a surprise visit this month. reaching out to
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its war torn southern neighbor sudanese president omar al bashir met with his counterparts of the keirin cuba and called for an immediate ceasefire. the two countries remain bound together by their shared a winning streak south sudan has most of the region screwed that meets against plans to export its the two presidents said they were considering setting up a joint force to protect the vital oil fields. a similar call for peace came from china the biggest investor in south sudan's oil industry. three when the topic on its position regarding the current situation insulted on is very clear that if we call on the immediate and to post updates coming over or nordic established very soon the chinese foreign minister was speaking during the visiting ethiopia or talks aimed at securing a peace deal picked up on monday after being repeatedly delayed. finding a quick solution to the conflict between government and rebel representatives will be hard the key sticking point is the release of eleven rebel allies to request this mess
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like the south sudanese government. there is no way intended to be the one were arrested. nudity is in progress with the most of the government of the articles house down presidents of the kia has accused his former vice president roche are trying to oust him in whom allegations the now opposition leader denies the fighting between the two clans has turned into ethnic violence between tears in the community and the shards new a try. since the beginning of the fighting more than a thousand people have died in some two hundred thousand have fled their homes in search of safety it is still unclear who controls the western iraqi city of sulu jump. what was the epicenter back in two thousand four of the bloodiest battles us troops had seen since the vietnam war still outside of government control baghdad so far refrained from an all out assault on falluja. prime minister mariano the key
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instead calling on residents themselves to expel what he calls terrorists this is the senior tribal leader insisted. i've already left town. those sunni radical militants the islamic state of iraq and the love fonts also involved in a free wi fi to cross the border in syria government forces and modern rebels who claim to flush them out in parts. i recall the surrey. since you've seen me and rebels taking hold of al qaeda links. the acting in the wrong hands. let the market tanks during that time. they're not tied to any extremist group also known as icy as the eye the raccoons
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with the force is not fighting the group are made up of both moderates and financed the entire team comes after months of increasing resentment of the script. who are reportedly using extremist tactics and refusing to cooperate with the rest of the opposition into the muffin revolutionaries or to control prices online. i think in the area under the anti minaret per cent to billion at the ian sightseeing broken it in the northern province is a polemical in it live on friday and has been spreading since. on sunday reaching the eastern city of krakow long held by an ice is there and you reports say the rebels have freed fifty people detained by the extremist group and a macy's to the group's headquarters nearby. in an online recording on saturday am and said to represent my sis gave the rebel forces and estimates and he demanded that they were made tackling still keen to have a some traveling freely around aleppo province that they cease attacking and says fight areas and then be immediately released on licence prisoners. if he had
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been completed. these demands are not met within the given period when withdrawl from all the frontlines with government forces people to openly about the mad teaching new bombing mostly they can revel in cycling is given to silence had an advantage ahead of time she just talks in geneva on to an eerie twenty seconds. the second day running thousands of african asylum seekers from rallying outside western embassies and tell of these they're protesting new legislation allows authorities to detain illegal migrants up to here without trial. sprawling tent city could open it in a gated deserts. return to the period before two thousand and the un process the rise of refugees. a further seven killed this month in the wake of bangladesh's boycotted general election only a fraction of the eighty three percent turnout last time went to the ballot box international observers stayed away and the opposition labelled the old farts. the prime minister sheikh hasina. she's
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holding onto a position to call a fresh election is her rivals as she prayed that my aunts. they realize that the latest in the quest for the next. then there may come forward. who do. discuss with us all. and that was that but they have two more days to accept it behind. it's called the polar for tax and dangerously cold whirlpool of damansara one is hitting the midwest in northeastern united states. but the coldest temperatures in nearly two decades. acosta minus forty overnight in some parts to the canadian border temperatures cooled enough to freeze exposed skin within minutes. today were dealing with extreme cold temperatures. and
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the combination of the wind and the temperatures of up to have said indiana on a path for we could be experiencing the coldest temperatures we've seen in twenty years if you can stay in the day stay in all day today. we ask you to heed signs about road closures we ask you to keep the leadership. and announcements of local communities and they are for your safety. and it's important that we if we take this weather of them. very very seriously. romney's coast watching the mercury plummets our washington correspondent philip crop. i decided to stay indoors that has been a warning from all parties to those places that already freezing at this point because this total politics isn't just very very cold it is dangerous to one's a bit of hypothermia and frostbite and washington d c by the way that would still find just about now when reaching that's freezing point right now and is the temperatures that will draw but we very quickly had to record low temperatures
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recorded temperatures that have already been reached up in the midwest and this is a weather phenomenon that is moving very very quickly south woods. it does give you a few temperatures than that right now indianapolis minus twenty four celsius chicago's eight minus twenty five those are in reckless being broken as we speak international falls minnesota that's the call was five pounds a pop minus thirty degrees celsius and that's about the windshield now that is the cold wind coming in that's basically what it feels like that will be minus fifty degrees celsius to say the one is basically have been addressed very very warm and lots of layers of staying indoors if you can fall asleep of course this is a very very dangerous situation indeed. the licence canceled for germany's chancellor onto a merkel breaking her pelvis in a cross country skiing accident. as confirmed by a spokesman that happened over the christmas break in switzerland. forcing the chance that a light load at the outset of work inside
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a new grand coalition government. meanwhile the victim of another ski acts and remains in stable but critical condition from one icon michael schumacher still in a coma in a mobile hospital. three days of national mourning been decreed in portugal after the death of nineteen sixty six world cup hero use a veto thousands lining the streets of lisbon to catch a glimpse of the soccer great time of a heart attack at the age of seventy one the respect in the final wishes of their football hero. tens of thousands of fans paid tribute to his studio as his coffin was driven around the study of the newest been placed at the center of the pitch. outside the stadium. his iconic statue is now covered with flowers and stars of his longtime club in peak hour no savior for me as a symbol of anti jew was i in a bid to defend today because of the savior. it is very sad to
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see an idol i can leave us with his intended for use in the moment he was a great benfica player a great man and above all that keen. it is the way he played for the strength and effort in and it sounds ambition but also because he was humble having seen it either. i guess after this the team displayed his family as well as portuguese football greats like nice people and tell it to and cramping peak of players together to our ceremony. the former linfield striker is widely considered as one of the best football players of all time top scorer at the nineteen sixty six world cup. he also scored seven hundred and thirty three goals in seven hundred and forty five professional games. winds across the country were flying at half mast and the government declared three days of national mourning following his death and sunday. you say the least to be very new stadium. during the same thing the reader more into the stands national champion
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and that's it for the new state with all us the false then get to date is next the eye call. we welcome this is the false and yet today when osama bin laden was killed in two thousand eleven ok this seems at the weekend folks. after syria bombings are we witnessing a resurgence of sunni radicalism in neighboring iraq and in daily bombings in baghdad the third deadliest this past year since two thousand and seven. now is also what looks like a throwback to two thousand and four. after the fall of saddam hussein a mix of sunni tribes been an impediment radicals in control of falluja. fighting also reported in rahman's the capital of the western al anbar province. it started to send the thirtieth when prime minister nuri al monique he
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tried to forcibly break up the yearlong sit in protest the shia dominated baghdad government's refusal to grant more on tommy. two sunni anbar province. i'm going to see how many using that money you're taking on our house that she missed the united states making it clear they're not sending troops to iraq the secretary of state in fact on that point john kerry though offering assistance. putting him in the same boat as x rays ear on their common enemy sunni radicals nine in a three way fight between syrian government for seats in the more moderates the syrian army rebellion. just how powerful are those who call themselves i e since the islamic state of iraq and the love songs. what's the plan to confront them today in the polls and get to beat the is contagious. and we just talk about it from abu dhabi. d dallas aap a senior writer for doing newspaper the national thanks for being with us
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welcome as well to kirk's old publisher of inside iraqi politics he joins us from amman jordan. from washington and said the rand corporation's alex crowther is with us thank you for for joining us and him past and been robbed of the european center for foreign relations and former us diplomat william jordan happen year to all of you of the falls and gets me we can join the conversation you have on facebook and twitter are hushed and s to support today as we said is throwing their weight around on both sides of the border that it's being the biggest waste is the final us withdrawal of troops two years ago in iraq now that we're seeing it olivia salazar when spear has more time magazine this is the new face of current era. the downtown baghdad he is head of the league says
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the group was created in two thousand and four. pledging allegiance to al qaeda and the tilting its hurricane bca an acronym of the islamic state is not agree to syria its ambitions are far reaching. lee says aims to unite regions in iraq syria and lebanon as a candidate for sunni muslims as a minority in iraq many of them feel they can prosecute it's a great subject today she's based national boundaries government and opposition says the killing extremist strategies instead. licences for tours in iraq is growing auntie controlling tc teach the west of baghdad. nineteen in anbar province the site of intense policing week the u s troops during the iraqi war in syria where he says scientists can notice some ten thousand people many of the income from outside if the country. the syrian human rights observers kerry says the great is the most powerful in the north of the country right now and has been enforcing sharia. lol
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kidding of course all the paintings and to expand its presence in more toward serious downsizing the opposition camp. since then he says has taken up arms against a crime and anti government factions. people say were used in nine seasons of the kids an extra apple grapes then terry st mt helena continues apace the group claimed responsibility for the compliment it has been on stronghold of the rate on thursday. the attack killed four people and a dozen small inches. the studio brief to a new car so all of this situation right now in food show this monday release on that report. how did this group has been creeping up there is in there been claims that isis is no longer in control of food to what are you here. let me start by clarifying how one point i headed for a range of international media outlets
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reported that al qaeda or why this was in complete control over due for a period of inactivity are in total control of what they did with the ransom in the territory of the trust guys with machine guns and black flag and opted to remain a major project than that of the world though the police station in the last out of the tv and several days ago when not many were reporting that they were completely in control of falluja. in fact they lose control of the various estimates of the confusion really comes from the fact that the government holds every group there fighting including nationalist insurgent groups. i'll cut up and down a lot of media outlets were with that. at this point it looks like the mobile police backed by local tribes or pretty much entirely in control of. this is really obvious they have in a very big state of clothing that blacks are very open. i've continued and you can distinguish them in the problems for ordinary
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iraqi sunni nationalist insurgents. at this point it is actually the local police and local tribes are in control and how many of these cases fighters are there well we're talking about jobs. iraq is probably about the memory of his seven years ago yesterday. they're so similar to bow to no budget balance of just turn the video that countless imitations terrible hundred guys into global money the provincial capital. as most polluted to the conclusion is this idiot three hundred thousand people of where you know. people are very well are of no return and have guns they were never going to take over the whole city. how many of them are in fact from fallujah. i've known each other very secretive. they are in iraq organization grow up on life early on in two thousand redo
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them were born. kylie was having an interview is not your traditional originally over time they have they. but if you think you will. for example there are a leader or envy or in anbar. she is actually from one of the injuries of keeping them in the province. so i imagine i know some of them were from pollution but you know. ch insp davis things that fit the question that people always ask which is you know we use the phone. suspicion immediately use the word out paid a bit loosely on. are these people. when the twenty kids themselves in this particular case they don't even have a name out payday in there. in its name in the description of their group. i'm going home at how much of this is local and how much of this is organized thomas chose a supra national level. the goal of most of it is the sunni tribes people
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who were unhappy with the mullet the maliki started in the certain to suppress this uneasy as the united states is pulling out in december of two thousand eleven. seeking to wrest the vice president of the chevy. a year ago arresting several prominent leaders in the end of last month. it is in the senior parliamentarian mid on. i'll not me. so this is the reaction mainly of the local cities that i says is taking advantage of graham and enron. this is due to trade the train of events that happen. i will personally like to and things sometimes sent down the insurgents who want insurgents an eastern state of iraq which in april two thousand and ten it seemed to change thanks to give you walk into bed and decided that she'd be like if i traced the syrian branch take a dollar instead of fists. being eye. the city
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gaining ground. who did and despite international trends and iraqi insurgency be honest. the credits. yes kids it's missing the eyes of many iraqis to the affected industries were marginalized from the national center of power and not i explained cools the two words to reach real separation which leads ground to that and use them each and transnational project that came down to his senate seat in iraq which also tends to bring to office tools that are beyond me yet be too cool a tendency to what has been for decades announcement station to the modernization from baghdad. from that it's cold every now and it has been projects. it has been projects for over two new regional autonomy reach where rejection and ninety six and the sunday school and context is different factors have found a long term assisted is and no standing resentment among the sunnis and of
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course they do wait for my kiddies nation's mines which has endowed and jayden to take over. mendez who landscape is very fragmented such as is nineteen and cereal. we began to set up the strand which is gaining ground and then some tribes in which some non fat accurate and complete some of them are nine tom and katie are all there is nothing to me during tsunami and security forces with many key which they consider as. and well basically that's a dangerous and and and and carried off on their own interests in their regions and you do have sealed smashing least insurgents but again we who have lost that weight over the years and if i get this he means yes and as the international free consultation process the fact that he will come back. and to baghdad and and and have a new stadium to peaceful protest. so on some level of mistrust growing up this monday to stoke of inoffensive him through just
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some claimant because the government was un able to do so others and the prime minister himself nor iam of the moon the key to him saying he wants to avoid a bloodbath he directly addressed local militias who also been pushing out of those forces. calling on those who are deluding themselves to reconsider. i have been involved with out knowing and supporting al qaeda projects and protecting it in several ways including giving media and political support. minneapolis just yet now they are responsible for the consequences of our forces face as they fight criminals and killers who know little of the water. i was with me. do not say and do you agree with iraq's prime minister events of the local tribes and militias have responsibility to bear more of this incursion by
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edgy harvests. i disagree i think the kids on the seat and i directly and at me and the situation in iraq and fight and die estates. and maybe to a certain extent that it seems like she's trying to remove saddam and his responsibilities are over extended deal picked and responsibility of the people placed on him however and it seems like the seat in that the key trying to kind of antique it spends each of the house the one last chance bateman as a holiday too. and when this boy. cassini is ahead of their legislative elections are going to be taking the case here. do you think babies and not intervening to take if the saudis not intervening to z wants to avoid a bloodbath i think he's trying to make a distinction to win the hearts of the people in fallujah and ramadi to say that you guys are not responsible what we are worried about right. if you
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are in their tents were happy it's a weighty isi . when we were at the onset of all this has been said that the top twenty in jordan. there was the breakup of time to sit in the knitting going on for years against it the fact that that too much centralization in and of steel the sunnis who isn't in anbar province min the rest of this prominent opposition politician at the address is the repeat in people killed at least during the arrest maliki. lost the plot to certain degree. well again not to mention extra was going on internally iraq between the perception from i have is that maliki has been anyways played on a ferry. strong authoritarian card to re establish a high degree of central authority from baghdad. and then in order to consolidate his own
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position has been so bought by a marginalization of the season in many ways he has decided to almost played this very much in his own way exclusive of perhaps even the advice of some of his own advisors. for reasons that are probably best known for him in order to maintain control and to pursue a national project. um again based very much not entirely sectarian of logic but based on the idea of centralizing authority in his hands in the hands of his office in order to in order to impose some sort of a national project on iraq. it said the strategy in any case leading to this flare up hurts all of it we had our correspondent in baghdad on at the end of last week describing. when a daily horror it is for residents of baghdad just wanna go out into the grocery shopping. on
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the circumstances with these brenton terror bombings that they are going on to find an understandable that the central authorities in baghdad might use the heavy hands however if you need but in the right spot so that agreement the reverse gear last month. what happened was that he did. the iraqi army of the western anbar in operation. that is usually of a bombing of. altar to kill the operation in western and northern afghan war. it kind of late and in these operations have very strong support of the shia who support this initiative does not resemble the anbar tribal council will get the inventor of the other about the nature nurture the us company's
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operations. and i can do this then the city of so called cry. being the class where they line up oh and see us it seems as though they did connection in blue with it with amman jordan is easy easy speaking outside the woman tried and tried to fix that right away. when a pickup on the spoon we come back and look at international reaction you're watching the fall spent at today. because i knew i should just treat it was an everyday. because breaking news or leaks. so much. when situations. the snow. just me
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use. off. khan. then she watches all stand before you see a gp. some stories we're following for you at this or something. record cold temperatures of the coldest in the midwest to the us. in nearly two decades it would seem to mind images there minneapolis forcing the closure of airports and spoon to four tests. no moving east with the mercury is plummeting. china offers to broker peace talks for south sudan. unprecedented for aid to africa to promise to take this as the city's present omar bashir visits to the point that has grudgingly
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sitting down at the bargaining table the days of national mourning decreed in portugal saw that i sit here at the weekend. each of seventeen. the commission just joining us this is the false and get to base we're looking at the sudden um this contagion that we've noticed in iraq and also being in neighboring syria was a group that calls itself up and the islamic state of iraq. some call the greater syria is the love songs. isis is at its acronym i were talking about it which i deemed i'll say eight senior writer for daily newspaper the national least it in the team in the gulf and thank you for being with us from amman jordan creek soul up was the publisher of inside iraqi politics in
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washington d c the rand corporation's alex crowther and here in the studio made him the nod of the european center for foreign relations and former us diplomat william jordan. um just before the break we were describing the museum we were describing how it's this or this three way battle you're saying it's not really a three way battle the spoon which was missing information the way battle between government forces. local militias and the it's not so there is a very german. very clear indication. although these groups there as they said it rides this he tried to calm themselves carried by david psalm the who where and who showed the trade bait you merry cans to the surge and were transferred to the government's andy were not there were no longer on the role he didn't receive the peter leitch is that
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the use to ensure that the americans. something felt betrayed him and he got closer to the jade on and off lights and back is like a dying on their ancestors groups in dunbar proteins than during other regions of iraq. and then you have and need it in the security forces and the new army. and why i were to get over some of the tribes. and who has a sense now consider how many key and he sat on the sea as and being induced and will be less dangerous choice the teammates to represent their interests in their regions. it's perpetually cold and the stripes also wearing concrete. nope it comes to the chicane at some point around and in the control of the boys spending and a certain number of economy and tt's entering the occupation. then you have and indeed did the people the population sturm who had been tried putting trying to stage a two rbi is an. and
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number of peaceful demonstrations to change and the need to re integration into satan and did you actually was shot and his demons have been met by force make a covenant made me tea has chosen to prevent it sticking around. and the stupid idiots to the use of force sending me teary to these the provinces and in school a teacher has radicalized and its union stewards as i said i don't think the teen's and support to groups like i don't have the ability to run at this point he made eyelets crowther. um one of the cornerstones of the success of the so called surge was that. washington helped to pay off basically militias to switch sides. now that washington is gone miriam been on making the argument that their disgruntled was this all too predictable. yes in two thousand and nine we had this problem in iraq i was working
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in baghdad at the time and the united states had the militias on the payroll and we transitioned responsibility over to the government of iraq and they stop paying them we tried to get them to continue to pay them and so is an on again off again thing but once we left the country in two thousand and eleven of my like he just wanted nothing to do with them. torrance is a solution of the theater of the bloodiest fighting us troops have seen since the vietnam war. this was back in two thousand for that this happened. eighteen hundred to gi is that killed at the time. certainly no one in washington planning a return of us forces with that in their minds no no we're going to do everything that is possible to help them and i and i will not go into the details except to say that we're in contact with
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tribal leaders from anbar province and we know who are showing great courage in standing up against this as they reject groups. of it from their cities. and of this is a fight to belong to the iraqis that is exactly what the president and the world decided some time ago when we left iraq. it's probably what does john kerry mean when he says more in contact with tribal leaders in anbar province. all in the united states embassy in iraq. there are people in the political section you are in touch with people from all the different parties throughout iraq. and and how easy it when he's saying that a woman was anybody's going to help oh how was the united states helped. a win in iraq i would guess that the embassy is trying to
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discuss this with everybody and try to get everybody to calm down and not use violence and then you've seen in europe and christy are discussions about it security assistance as selling weapons and ammunition to the government of iraq. it sold to read this the same way. a moroccan her return. they need help or technological standpoint of intelligence are confident they are just very recently i'm getting some of them to recover and technology of the major events to attack helicopters that just now getting up in the oven and after that we absolutely need at the same time it is important to stress that the biggest problems iraqi security services have the biggest problem they may need to fill our internal reform issues sobering cavalry of operation
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the imprint of people were arrested. others are transparently others go to the companion piece to work in the county are guilty of you know all the people arrested may have to ride it again out loud crunch in the military also a very good at will call population centric activities are in counterinsurgency into. let today go to great example of the show include the study of the hole. and ended in a world controlled by al qaeda who were loving care the joint civilian rather than the original that killing civilians the festival days especially from a candidate of the rock image showing a flu jab the block has been a couple sitting in iraq that
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the military's to the center for distance of more than a need for reform. they say and how much help. would you like to see is an iraqi how much hope that you'd like to see the american skin. i think a serie a's get to interact that need weapons but at the same time to properly inspect and then can't sleep too late already. thing is you can create democratic institutions that you cannot create a democratic culture this is the problem you have the acts of checks and balances and a milk when you need to be able to. you don't have a system in leasing rates. you have a viable vehicle atv series since then it can cause the skin with uk next week and got ran an entire state and so we seized this year isn't that easy to just over the last three years and it's cheesy but it misses her parents from how it beats the crap since wright says that there hasn't been any kind of transparency in turns into christ to a pc number is it that this doesn't display the kind she got to the uk the amount of props and a staggering that and this is the content that goes back to and what steps the ad in a unit they administered the us administration and every bit the hand built an email last
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minute with the iraqi sand and this is something that is not going to just kind of go away. so it is so which should washington do at this point. i think the ecb and the strong during aging lacy pink nike and the rest of the whole i am running the country and they need to be transferred to an. looking at how you can create a viable democratic states that looks at the national interest that the country unfortunately there is lots had at that. it says it is the light of this anti politics and that is going in the way of getting projects on the roads getting infrastructure. the majority of the day. the current iraqi budget is being spent on service ad eighties that means there's no projects the snow new job creation and to keep in mind that is and numb to it. a steadfast population the majority of the population is very odd if you don't get them all
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it's an identity don't get that in claimants you are going to constantly keep meeting members of your population into that knowledge has in three ten scripts and what nots because the b they need an ice has become much or too many. so when jordan. two years after the americans a blast. how much of this piece days listening to too would have us their descent. still washington's problem achieving very little of it is washington's problem in the sense that pursuits responsibility all responsibility yes i mean in washington's from the sense that though washington created the situation in iraq oh and i mean you could argue that essentially that eventually saddam hussein diet regime was with the previous regime would collapse somehow and it would have to be some sort of transition. you might iraq might have ended up where it was. after the us invasion in any case there's no question about it that the us of us tantalizing and precipitated
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all of that is where we are is largely of us making. but in terms of up to the dynamic of the past say five or six years in terms of the transition from the new arena for the u s withdrawal the terms of the fact that the u s negotiator with the maliki government where there was essentially not to be any kind of the status of forces agreement that would allow us forces to remain in the country. in any even limited capacity. a consequent really thinking resource driven. scaling back of american plans and ambitions in iraq and in the united states is now not really in a position to do anything more. in large measure because of the political limitations and been placed by maliki and the iraqi government. and i would do get to the point and i think i think that. with the previous speaker need
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need need the right point that there needs to be real and more intense level of engagement between the iraqi and american leadership on the necessity for iraq to make. the long promised political transitions that maliki has largely in pursuit of what i mentioned before narrow political aims of the rejected a four or refuse to follow. however you know we just had a situation where maliki was in washington. and i'm not convinced that when american leaders at that level when when president obama sits down with prime minister maliki that they're having. under the direct discussion and if they did i'm not even sure that that mr maliki. would pay attention because she feels that he is beholden to the iraqi people. and he's going to follow political logic that he believes makes sense. now the united states
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finds itself in a situation where it's looking at everything that it worked in iraq to try to change. i'm falling apart again and returning to levels not seen since two thousand and seven two thousand eight. and is really in no more of a position and certainly has no political will to green gage in ways that one might think it should given the responsibility that is it ok right now though there's a fire that sbc with what's going on is an urgency a crisis. alex crowther from the americans offering help and the iranians also offering help of this monday they have common interests you might say heavy feel about that. certainly the iranians that have an interest in empowering the shia. am i in iraq and which is a true maliki represents a big problem is that this is not a security
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issue. it's a political issue with security ramifications the united states has been engaging maliki non stop since two thousand and six to treat the city's with respect to bring in the cities and to share political power with his knees and he is ignore that request advice demand. every time. do not say egg is it that simple. no i don't think it's going to be easy but i think i'd certainly be keeping pressure governments to and follow your attack. i think the fact that iran has asked for its involvement in this situation were actually only worsen things right now because these tensions are the imo than indexing is any acts as the last thing we need is really any kind of regional intervention. i think the us had previously made during say the us had it presents a very strong and well as at broker an end. it tried to speak unto the house
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of an indexing needs when she hasn't been at level eight despite the fact that spreads to the involvement of the iranians will just make things much worse. in choosing the on that point there is radical cleric moqtada al sunna has been in the past described as the protege of the wrong keys come out in the past couple weeks making very moderate statements calling on the iraqi army not to be sick terry and his interest in rhetoric seems a more moderate say no in all ways than the prime minister. she looked at the saturday and the singing competition games played a key segments you are at rivals the beach at that and he had seized every opportunity in his trial where to undermine iraqi prime minister yuri and i likey however the sides and it's the high and the sectarian crisis happened so when the bombing had been
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in and around actress katie and shiny in two thousand seventy thousand sixty thousand seven hundred scientists that ended up and running all this in the musty mean how is it to an end and eighteen ninety the sectarian war iraq. so i would teach anything he says we'd add a pinch of salt. and he's also trying to prepare himself and his theatrical arts he is gaining plenty to be satisfied that a provincial elections last year and paying for their legislative elections this year. so anne and i think it's a nice sweet milk that smith and two and t which he said. an icac contained in the past. and you return soul that of a multilateral solder is the d e b is in fact is not to be believed when he's making these and more of moderate announcements. definitely made a rhetorical transformation. and to a
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limited degree. standard preparation i think he's trying to bring it up. his goal is to make it make it more disciplined and keep them from getting into and sectarian fighting. that data into that of the three spectacular view that of malta that had blocked reform of the medication of sufferers are really actually a big part of a problem despite of their. i'm sure unifying rhetoric. i think that it blocks of the reforms that actually need to do over in terms of allowing were in the form of asbestos issue these are independent of government. so in this case the situation with the pressure coming from tehran. and then there's the pressure and i dedicate this to use welter of soul um who is behind ice screws behind these chiapas to phone bank rolls and finances them
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nor do i want to hear that sort of adorable the right thing to ever sell because what i'm doing and in the sunni provinces to admit japanese government officials again she up being huge and after the attack. but when he admitted that the commission intends to review the map of what you think and explore and make it a lot of money that way. don't get it or not the money i have no idea how much the chairman of the money from the goal at the other. she whispers i can get. leon this is a completely independent organization that is important to emphasize that even though it is locally referred to the knuckle china it didn't matter for them that way they don't use the term as you mentioned earlier. they are completely independent of either leader of the longevity of the interim. the day of the actors directors and to reject it. in his direction
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of the victims of their independent organization to defend the freedom to travel to syria right now is because we're upset a lot of them the theological soulmates of the liquidity day so there are totally independent. in jordan when you get it soon right now on tues you read that too. well the gulf states the benefactors that are there to what degree we don't know is as as christians said that those benefactors to all radical sunnis. they basically have no control over the one zero on the ground. i've said many times that i think the situation in syria in particular is evolving into something like the song with afghanistan. during soviet occupation. and you have a lot of money pouring in from us both the gulf states to saudi arabia. in support of the mujahideen and it was very little control once the money the weapons than the other material dock in their midst who was actually receiving it and who is actually benefiting from it and there were numerous internal factional conflict among the ranks of the supposedly united
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resistance movement. i think you know that everything is happening in syria. and in that the many cases has ice is taking on a life of its own. or could those gulf states close the faucet. no i don't think they can close the faucet but i also think that it's a pizza. it's too much of a journalistic simplicity tories say. to place too much of an emphasis on this idea of the jihadist contagion or you know tried to run rampant. meekness is has been sold to us several times in the course of this debate. um you know these groups don't need these groups affiliated with al qaeda to certain extent but they don't make their pride affiliation the central team and central tenet of their sort of solace this identity i mean they are operating on the train their operating in the local context. and i think you know i i see quite a difference between what's happening in iraq as far as
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the silence the troubles there. and what's happening in syria there may be a common project ideologically behind in both countries are seeing a three way fight ball was even more than that in syria. i mean you're seeing here seeing factions momentarily ally in the local conflict. while the regime sits back and watches. i think with some delight in awe as these people tear themselves apart. if you're having your having these these momentary constellations of forces come together to attack this or that group. at any given time i see the situation in iraq differently and not as much of an expert has often been wronged in some of the others are on what's going on in iraq but to but you know i do think getting back to my main point is i think we are. we are probably over emphasizing in the al qaeda aspect of this and and and and losing sight of the fact that increases for a serious
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concern. you probably could pop off the spigot of money a lot of the weapons and still have a very bloody sustained conflict going on there are enough weapons enough access to weapons in enough going on that. people can people be able to sustain this conflict for a good long time to come. rather what you do in that case how do you stop. afraid that the only long term solution is to either get maliki to an embrace the kurds in the city's larger replace maliki. three in the iraqi electoral system was someone who will treat the kurds and sunnis with respect. random rant. erm i think just to compete with woodside down professor ian yates is to work any weakness in down the rise of the season. as
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the most toxic ideology and somehow inconsistent the team to date among the youths in both syria and iraq. in both cases the site areas that have inflamed us army in iraq and the sunni fighters that we're seeing today in syria been socialized to my senses in which the nile. to that against a sea of terry terry nation states. in both countries. and the ending both cases they are rejecting his nation states again that deep deep week we read the best of three terry and our nurse and indicates that you like speech was exacerbated by the socialists in these two cuban embargo but all these conventions have been socialized. instead i used mosques under the embargo changes sanctions and assist you with economic context. also candidates and
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their detention and adair and disenchantment and affected are attracted to these groups and chaos from holly's is an anti system. organizations can begin to pursue displayed the case of the rounded to the fact is that due to conservation was a box of us parents and in many key has never really erm i mean um to fool the two weeks. and promised to hand money has become th and it was out of the spirit season two thousand and six. he actually year and made his campaign around this the project of reconciliation. it's never taken place had the idea of studying. you can read it on the radicalization in iraq has been this long term phenomenon with miriam been robbed was just saying. and it's taken a long time to stand its ground i think i think it to say that it didn't happen that i would say maybe over the last decade and that is from pink as a result of certain policies that way. ray
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whitney in iraq by and in consultation with the shia leadership which is the anti puppy that policy unfortunately now its policies they use to an address to me individually fact you guys are what nots and the futures game on the state's inserted nationally can still eat sand having said that the massive attacks that iraq has experienced and six that more than six thousand people have died in any country you beat extensive tour de force mr to see that we are still knocking and an end in full scale sectarian war it is something to be. it is is something bank writes commendable in a week. keep track. i try the kind of experience in words. you know where's the darkest days of two thousand by two teeth at eight and the don'ts go back and then however a national agency said is that the kids and i are in tibet's is near iraq's needs to pursue and to move forwards. let's hope that that peace will come the deal i'll say i don't
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