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relates to some very important to both. but what are some of the challenges and opportunities in the year two thousand for tea. on today's program were delighted to have dr david lauren's old who is an associate professor of the college of international affairs at national attention university to discuss with us to stay upright on two nations while come to the probe and a bit. thank you rain in the area good to be here with you for bringing me here was all into having his surprise and happy on the program. first of all the start of class who question to ask you to come was a little bit but still ok i am originally from the united states is heidi when two of my undergraduate college was university of arkansas folk which is where i grew up. i then went to yale team of work for the federal government ruled that and then worked for several colleges in the us could until i came here ok and distribute into town one in the year and two thousand and ten in the fall of two thousand and ten pesos over

two years he has to be taught well yes and the meal this is not usual that we see you younger generation of american scholars income on building a tenured position now also at the very prestigious national university taiwan. why don't you wanna come to taiwan. oh well. ncc you provided me the opportunity to come and visit here is a visitor passes get to know that lily was very good for me and and i'm very grateful for is the dean of the college in the chair of the department of diplomacy for being the good and bad and that turned into essentially a permanent position and i was very happy about that because my wife is here and sell that that makes things much easier. while it's getting to some of the research topics and baby have brought with you a copy of her recent book there you have to publish about the conceptions of chinese democracy. l reading deal with some hits in the art of cache and son team

will get kate ellis a little bit about the book you have a copy with. yes this is the book gets published by johns hopkins university press. all you can now pick in april of this past year that of its the result of about eight years of work. i actually started in about two thousand and five from when i was in the actually started i who was visiting my life here in taiwan during the summer will and she at that time worked for gio which has now been merged into most of it and i went to visit there one time that her office and she wasn't able to leave at that time because he had lots of work sia went to the gio library and a head. all of the back issues of the free china of the view from an audience to start looking through them because i was curious and they had the speeches that of chiang kai shek and changing clothes he gave on. the patients of ten can the constitution day

they were just the right in and they were filled with references to democracy. and i thought this would be an interesting opportunity to look through those and see what it is that they had to say about democracy open though were some of the important findings will highlight of the book. well that night i tried to do to saying some whiny is too soon to determine whether or not there was any substance to the discussions of democracy that of chiang kai shek and changing quo. again though with the purpose of thinking about their species as a form of democratic learning because scholars had argued previously that. the kmt and and leaders of the kmt by talking about democracy so much and had helped pave the way for the democratic transition that look that came later in the solos wanting to explore that and i found in fact that there were important discussions particularly justifications

of democracy. the second the media is to attempt to understand the place of those discussions. in the larger chinese community of oprah cheekily going back to sun yat sen in his discussions and also to leak it. what discussions of democracy on the mainland. and here are what what i found these is that sundance and chiang kai shek and change equal gravitated towards particular models of democracy that when we were relatively popular in the chinese community but they're not really totally chinese conceptions. they're really just alternative models of democracy that can be derived from the general theory of democracy over and gave it the book we know that with the title of conceptions of chinese pockets and wars some of the similarities and differences. built between the notion of chinese constitution of chinese

democracy versus western type of democracy. i think there are significant overlaps and yet i think what happens is that people in the chinese community tend to gravitate towards particular models of democracy. of those that are mobilization all and character then. call upon the energies of the general population. the suicide vest my son yet send one to democracy. he cited was the only form of government that can mobilize the population and create a strong state that all would allow china to overcome the problems it was experience. experiencing in the late evening and an early republican period. so mobilization all a little bit of a league is numbed the area is that confucian argument about the importance of knowledge and understanding can you find that particular inside yet sent him on to some extent and in the chiang kai shek off as well is liberal

elements and discussions about the importance of constitution is the importance of procedures the importance of law which can also be an illegal list understanding in chinese philosophy as well. so with the bait there's a gravitation towards particular models which you can also find the end western conceptions of. go other model that there's a tendency to adopt is a unitary model of thinking about the entire population is united and not pluralistic and any guinea find that in greek so when other western philosophers use. and the given the fact that you have been caught one they have been doing research on taiwan. and that based on your observational so you'll find it's what is your view of of taiwan's democratic transition in which you know most people agree started you know back in nineteen eighty is right no one knew no timetable was still alive

right and then hubby to see the whole process in the last thirty plus years. i think it's been a very complicated process in there and there have been. i think lots of players need to be given credit. of for example the changing global nice to be given credit for. of talking about democracy of promoting democratic learning and two when the dpp was formally established. not creating another tiananmen square situation. nowhere has happened on the mainland of the leaders of the democratic opposition that came to form the dpp has to be given lots and lots of credit because they initiated the actual process in the nineteen eighties that lid to the transition of they had overcome a lot of opposition they were not necessarily seen as being patriotic. so lots of credit has to be given to them. i think the influence of the philippines the people's

movement of people power movement in the philippines the transition into place in south korea was very important so is what samuel huntington calls one of these waves of democracy mean i think those outside influence we were important. and i think the united states and pushing. democratization has to be given the little the credits were ok then given all these factors together. the wheelbase home what you are you'll continue to research and feel finding about the bill collins democratic transition. were you surprised or are you happy though with the democratic achievements and talents today. in my life is a democracy become established died. ii started coming here. in two thousand and two two thousand twenty thousand t of andorra still will but in the stalls you for the old waste cos of me in too many politicians are fighting there's not enough agreement and now pretty much everybody except democracy

and the value they don't necessarily accept all of the formal procedures. you see people going outside to proceed years of demonstrating of mobilizing followers to go out and put pressure on the legislature which. in some ways is a good thing because it shows that people are committed and that there were and are trying to create various ways of holding officials accountable. the problem is sometimes those mobilization all models can get out of hand and then they can threaten the institutions of democracy. so there has to be a balance in i think it i want a strike that balance fairly well so yes i'm crying as an outsiders alike or not and i'm fairly happy with with with twenty three years already. but before we end this part of the program gave it to him yes. some people would say he'll come one is too political. as some of the politics of very

emotionally computer and very confrontational and would you agree with such assertion. to some extent yes though i did again i think this is a relatively typical of a new democracy young democracy people are still excited people steal one of preachers of hate and there aren't too long traditions of how it is a huge debate. in the dough in a democracy. few people talk about feel the problems and in the ladies leave yet in the united states can for fighting tools they were killing each other. the goal early in the eighteen century date they were taking pains in the senate and each other up. so this is something it gets it's not something that you want to see it's not something you want supporters celebrate. but it's something that's relatively typical of the young democracy. so i can i'm not worried that if this is still going on in another fifty years i think. probably should be worrisome signs of concern. yes when you take that over the years they have to have lost taiwan's

democracy. it is smoking in the right direction. yes even though they're still conflicts and is still inherent tensions already many parts of society by thinking people and learning braille when i will only want to make it is in the democracy will only learning that democracy should be a way of life can be a way that people interact and social future. good thing we need to take the first break them up oh when will be back. i knew. in. the sells

says. the welcome back to the second segment of the scroll and key on the cob while that on the host week will will will continue our composition without that the bill will wrestle who's currently in associate professor of the college cup international fears that the national ten g university

did that. there's talk about the other two very important meal articles state that green one is on the you know she and i feel a assisting victims and constitutional models for taiwan and also the other ways of democracy and the roots of consensus frederick in taiwan and tell was hoover's about those two articles. they're both published in the american journal of chinese studies which is the journal of the of an important study of its import a society in the united states that that focuses on the greater chinese community but particularly on time one of the first on cost possible constitutional changes i wrote several years ago actually before the latest round of constitutional changes in taiwan people were talking about what it is that it could be done to adjust taiwan's our constitutional democracy and my argument and i've since found other people have made similar arguments argues that perhaps moving away from a presidential system would be good

the presidential systems of our little more likely to turn into a storage hearing the news and the four young democracy that might still be the reality of risk and it may be moving away from that of the dove presidential systems also candy create two large parties are two large blocks and cars are fighting over this very powerful office and so dividing into lots of blue. parties doesn't allowed to compete so. but when you do that and then you see this in the united states to have these to be a major major parties. and. if it doesn't allow for people to be represented in and although the diversity of their political opinions as well as a parliamentary system with a proportional representation system that allows for lots of parties now you leftists to strike a balance. i think two big parties is probably two feet

but if you look at what happened for example in russia right after the transition in nineteen ninety two they had hundreds of parties in that and that's just too many years and it doesn't promote stability so that the ideal is to have four or five representative parties that allow everybody to find a home is where they feel like they're comfortable with it i think with two big parties lots of people don't really feel it home. and he sees and knows is the direction that i want democracy this movie for it's already been nice to be for the reform was needed. it moved away from that it did get away with with the latest constitutional changes in this majority carrion direction so what you find yours theirs consolidation in the blue camp and consolidation green cap. you know in so the smaller parties that use to be able to get a couple of seats in the legislative yet the not able to do that anywhere and i think that's a little bit

worrisome in them i'd also be one reason why people are little more prone to go outside established institutions and demonstrate in and count out in front of the president's office and things like that. the home of the other are the called the hero democracy and the roots of consensus but it can get along. and this was when i was really good actually came partly out of the bike lock up and it's hard to better incorporate in the final chapter but as i was looking at. how is that people talk about democracy and other generally in taiwan when i found is lots of references to consensus. we need to have a consensus on this we need to have a consensus on that whether it's gambling or cross strait relations or whatever or if you know a new nuclear plant the need to have a consensus and the arguments that i saw said well what comes out of chinese culture. and i'm not convinced by that because chinese culture is quite

diverse in eugene in very close to write an inclusive and diverse in their lots of different schools lots of different ways of looking at society and no confucianism is different from legalism is different from taoism. so i was unconvinced by this and and when i was looking at sun yet synching contact me to call there are lots of references to the need for them. the population of the night of sleep that and that what the government is doing is expressing the general wheeled of the population it's trying to tame the common good. and so my argument is is that you have to take those kinds of discussions into account. you have powerful leaders or in the case of sun yet cent of powerful founder of the republic insane. we need to come together is an entire people and express a common will. and so i think. in a more immediate sense that's where these conceptions of of

consensus come from. there might be some routes to go back in the chinese culture but there were in the mediated by these other people. so i am and that sense i'm not. in the end as i indicated the book i'm not convinced that chinese culture generates one understanding of democracy is capable of those supporting several different models years. and that they do is go back in time the will of the day you are now your turn regarded as a pay wall established a scholar on your college marcus he also healed asian politics in general and though why and why and when you first start your inches developing interest in the snow the open no democracy and overcome. well my my general research area it is. understanding how it is that people make policy arguments. oh and that goes all the way back to mike them to my dissertation which i

did on the group in india. so and i tied on. i wanted to look at policy arguments and increasingly they wanted to look at them comparatively on in terms of buying by don work on in the eye then worked on in great britain i've done things in the united states. and when i married my wife nice taiwanese i had the opportunity to come here and start thinking about it hannother. political culture in which ideas a debated policies or do they get new so it gave me yet another way of an another dimension of comparison. yes and and discussions of democracy of course our aren't very important policy discussions and given the recent nature of taiwan's transition that was something that i gravitated towards them. and though other people say that no data wanting to start you know two new

restrnt on countries in many parts of the developing world for example africa latin america andhen thi is a new machineearng ne things how come you know compared to places the father but to some comparative studies ill with the development and peace you go t eas asi and the overseas development in the nomad american accent that's a that's a possibility that are part of the problem is when you do things comparatively new half to master a whole new literature. so right i actually started out in political theory them and at the time soviet studies its name so i that's what i was trained in the hall when i did my dissertation on india i had to catch up with the entire literature on india. it's when i did the things done today in the england which had to do with religious toleration and some imperialism i've amassed another literature prize doing this on tight wanna have to master yet another leadership. so it takes quite a bit of time to be able to do that is and if i wer to

compare taiwan for example with countries in latin america. there's been a tremendous amount of work gonna let america alot of the early discussions of the democratic transitions are glad american things in it. i'm not sure that you can hike and i can master that literature is yes. but the new face on the observation up to the legal developments and hot one day that the war some of the more valuable lessons they use the towel was democratic transition has offered to the rest of the developing world while also thinking of going democracy one k white i think the fact that it was successful despite the fact it was very compl and quality is very important to you. i think the people looking at taiwan and saying you know that this was a difficult in some ways was a difficult transition. you could argue its end and to some degree i argued this new book and it goes all the way

back to the early nineteen fifties with institution of local elections. so it was a very long and in the case it was a very very long process of but it was eventually successful in school i think that something in support of the development of democracy that the cans with local elections is also i tnk very important and i think i may be very important for the mainland because they'd actually taken that step. and so if people can become used to holding the official accountable movement which is one of the main colors of democracy this and the us officials can get use to being held accountable. and then you can move up to the regional level and eventually the national level back and the unworthy of the transition. so i think that is an important thing the third thing is. there was another difficulty in the transition which is no

it's an idea which is stilly ongoing but that didn't matter. an enticing for some countries they wanna settle the eye candy the issue first and then make the transition from buy saying taiwan shows you don't have. you don't have to do that you don't have to wait. that identity can be part of the discussion of democracy itself. and though one thing that we don't walk and talk about is technology can be no interests of helping democracy milk until the end of the unit at the yearling emergence of social media right now especially the last five years old. sir we have the impact on the democratic leme cane my parts of the wool brinkley the united states and how would you think the deal the social media. what have they impact the development of democracy in china. they could possibly help in two ways one is paid to help mobilize. it's

the people who are interested in promoting democracy we've seen that in the color revolutions kids we've seen that in the middle east and for showing the middle east it's it's sometimes turn violent. and that's always a problem as who is a possibility. the other possible way that they can help. is it can be a means for holdingfficials accountable. that people can identify problems they can point and again in the boat bring attention to problems and and. officials and to some degree are forced to respond. this move unless they are capable of censoring the use of social media and and one fortunately we've seen that also happen and consult with their third there's a boundary is. of those with in terms of the kind of technological boom of media. one part of the downgrading the ability of the government to censor the other boundary being the willingness of people to

use that name for political purposes and not just in the note reading about cultural settings or the news pops on hold. we need to take another break on oprah what will be back in just two minutes. the it is. session

i did. steve. the welcome back to today's program he undercut one of the on post we will will will continue our conversation without that the villa rental who's currently in the so simple to set up the college of the international fears that the mash note into university here in taiwan. they did was talk a little bit about the eu is rebalancing corps nation policy under president barack obama. think i was a little bit about that policy how is it intended to reveal

effective relations with new delhi get between us and was awaiting for now i see the huge pacific coast elites relations with china. aida i think that the administration had lifted waited been happening in the world and with american foreign policy over the past five ten or fifteen years and noticed that there's been quite a bit of attention paid to the middle east and of course attention had to be paid to afghanistan because of nine eleven but that the situation in the east asia in particular what is becoming more and more complex and the united states has had an interest in the pacific. going all the way really back to the eighteen fifties with with trade between the united states and china with missionaries coming over to china. and so the administration appeared to him to believe that it was necessary to redeploy american diplomatic and other assets into the area of at

least in part two to engage china in its emergence into the world scene and then i think of the thinking was is that the united states just couldn't. busy itself with the rest of the world and allow all. that the good the pacific or we can to take care of itself because it didn't look like from the us perspective that it was going to be able to do that. and of course the known him since what happened on the nose nine eleven. the two thousand and one. you know there's been tremendous shift in us policy was to warn that global war on terror. brenda niall do mobile on terror is coming to you know some of the above conclusion you kill us troops out of you know in afghanistan. also on the speed over the iraq threat is so not the attention of deal turns to east asia ran on the part of the world. and though with the rebalancing procedure

policy. here's the eighty s probable conclusion that some people eat all that this would be no he's kind of complicate of very complex you know relations with china. and no soul mate neil policymakers can be changed very very nervous and thinking that the us is now packing feel that what china might consider it as his home territorial home turf and the tc that you don't want me to the linda feature inevitable communal conflicts between the two leading powers of the world today with this if you listen to what they say they're saying no but they always say that if the people what who when british leaders and in german leaders are saying and nineteen candle and sang the same thing. there is always the possibility that an emerging power. ari is going to challenge the dominant power and want to change the world order so that it's more amenable to its interest rates and to

the degree that sweat that's what china is doing in the region is it's taking out its claims in the end of the various territories and of course eden's indictments and so forth. and that complicates this relationship in particular with japan and south korea and japan south korea are very close american ally. so you have a historical american interest in the region and you have of emergence of china. creating conflict with two very close allies. and then you have the united states as the only superpower in the world facing a rising economic power in china. so i think that those three things make it inevitable that the united states would be paying much closer attention from and one would think that china would realize that today would see that coming up and i think to a certain degree

that they have bought. there are also pressing. is there an agenda with their pressing their claims. relatively aggressively on if you think about it and i'm eyeing the supposed that they believe that the united states isn't going to act very forcefully and given that the united states doesn't want to upset the world economy it's them and given the fact that a lot of people in asia pacific are looking to see what washington would conduct field despite the claim of rebalancing was nice to know what happen last year deal in two thousand due october two thousand thirty at the apec summit. you know president barack obama because of the mess of politics was not able to attend the summit a lot of people so this has the feel disappointed and that this might be indication the us is not really serious about coming back into asian rebalance he was seized the one you agree with such

an assessment. no i i don't think the bill is an indication that the us is in serious about it i think it's an indication of the of the domestic problems that the united states and working through right now i'm in awe of it. things are difficult in the united states has given the stresses of of economics. given that the things are is unsettled politically there is a very deep political tensions within the united states and the structure of government in the united states. this makes it that much worse because the way that things are set up government isn't suppose to come to an easy agreement. it is supposed to be conflict they're supposed to be checks and balances and of those factors come into play when there are deep conflicts. so i ate i don't think that it says it's a sign that the united states isn't serious. it's a sign that obama thought that it was unnecessary. not to go to the summit because of the damage to the tweed duty

on. given the problems that were going on at the tiki can be flying off to asia and standing millions of dollars when they win the rest of the government shutdown and then just doesn't work all day and throughout the year two thousand thirteen gave it to spin a lot of developments he sees you. you know you already mentioned about the tensions that were um you know surrounding hill in east tennessee and south china sea else will you look at the heel of the situation regarding the trade issue and the law the regional trade blocs of now being formed and will would talk about our set and keep me awake. but given the fact that he'll present obama was not able to attend the lp the parent candles with the east asia summit you know last year and the yield to the vice president you know chosen by them. the old tricks up to me to trip you know to many o alln the east asia. in november december of two thousand that in dili including countries like you mention japan and south korea and china. and what were some of the meal

and most important missions then maybe you know vice president you don't know why then have in mind when he parked on the trip was that because of the u malacca with the cooperation of the year defense identification zone by china for its because of the rising tension deal between china and japan over delhi. either it's orleans because of the potential instability in north korea which is for all of the above i think this is partly in all of the above and i think is partly an attempt to put an american official in asia given the fact that obama was unable to come early for now in him. it was p was planned before the era defense of information is the thing came about. and that made it it grew in importance because of that. there's a load of those of those are the problem of reading too much into this

of the american vice presidents get sent off all the time on trips. frankly they don't have anything else to do. so you know sometimes their entire job is to go off and can be no swearing in ceremonies and funerals. i'm not entirely sure that biden is in that category but do they do. this was obviously something that was. put on for an eon to give him something to do and to show us interest and in the region it became more important given the events that took place immediately before he laughed. and that you know you couldn't cancel the trip know all you could substitute the president for him because that way. that would be really odd and so i think more responsibility was placed on him during that trip and was originally intended. and the night and i think what he does he try to do two things one is i think he tried to get japan and

south korea on the same page it's what i was there then darebin tensions there been historical tensions of course between you two been there even more recent tensions between this and that they'd they boasted of having united front in the us estimation they should of had a united front against china that but that didn't happen. no no the south korea declares its own information so they overlapped with part of china's an egg that will start with part of japan's and that creates tensions and in so when he was trying to do i think was to see some of the tension between those two soul that a general plan could be innate. with regard to china with regard to china if you want to wait. he asked of the chinese he didn't ask them to do away with that with that information so nice and well being of the united states has won it and so forth to the problem is is the overlapping parts and so would he ask them to

do was to engage in confidence building measures with other countries in the region bother the message again. you created to ease tension she created this mess it's it's up to you to defuse the tension you know don't don't use the isis antioch don't do these things and create tension and then stand back and say what everybody is upset why say regarding upset and you should know why they're upset and it's up to you to you and given the fact that you know the truth is now over and the tension this deal seems to be the ots collect manila and then do we do think the trip was overall a success. i think so i tell you guys think you is. i think was excess at least in part on and on both fronts of up and bite you don't know you don't know what's going to happen in the next few days and of that. it is clear that none of the three you are going to officially recognize nose on this. all of them but they are going to

to a certain extent complying with the day as a practical matter because they're not going to tell commercial airliners is go through when ignore the zone the prize is in you don't know what will happen of course loved it. but you know the united states might fly more b fifty two using the you you don't know if that's good. i don't think so i think they did it the first time to make a point of this and then afterwards said well we made our point and were probably not going to see more and less though there's some sort of exercises that you previously scheduled. we need to take the final break hello program will be right back. fan. it is. sells

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continue a costly rap but this fascinating conversation with up to the villa rental who's currently an associate professor of the college of international affairs at the national can see university. they did the sparkle a bit about how once and national space and people dressed in a split meals how one's meal plans or intentions to join the trans pacific partnership ppp. oh and we all know that without the support for washington come on what not be able to be invited as a guest to attend the thirtieth assembly of the international syllable aviation organization meeting in montreal in october of two thousand the team. and given the fact that you know it i was also one the president mom made a very clear repeatedly that will like to be healed. integrated economically on the regional level with specific reference to the us proposed a ppp no cost. and though we all know that you notes how one so

some ways away as making the domestic market opened man making he'll cut down some barriers to free trade but though what word to say you know in terms of how one's prospects of becoming more often. regional elites in the economic domain the regional player and become a real member of the guilt part of the guilty pee pee in the foreseeable future. i think that the prospects are. our good indie great dynamite i sing to their good byes i think the united states who wants taiwan to become part of the ppp and other regional economic lot more unity of blocks that it is this a part of but the united states of course doesn't have the final say in the united states a sort of taken over ttp from others. and i think of that pushes too hard. there's going to be problems the united states is looking out for its own interest is it's not. if it is it's just

not going to do things in it believes is is going to hurt its own interest and so it's not necessarily going to give away its own capital negotiating capital to get taiwan into these so the us will. will support taiwan but i think there are definite limits to what is willing to do them to support taiwan okay i don't think is willing to pay a very heavy price. so when it comes to you know the observer show and in various international organizations to have a practical purpose. i think the united states will support that. they're not going to make a big deal out of that day and i going to press very hard. of them but i think that there is american support. i don't think either one should look to that support as his own condition yellow you know we are either unconditional or as guaranteeing that timeline actually is going to get

membership. and then of course there are also domestic things going on here in time on that day and i can provide problems of opening up. you know the agricultural sector is problematic for all countries unite states doesn't wanna open up its agricultural sector friends doesn't wanna open up. you can doesn't wanna open up so it is a continual problem for those who think about free trade is being very beneficial. and and and free trade can be beneficial but some people benefit more than others and it's always an ongoing political process to try to figure out this me out with who who wins and loses and and and and who should be paying the price is very interesting read that babies should mention lost all the political problems that we have here in town want this is to be here on this most recent trip. some three plus years ago. a war some of the changes and developments that you have seen the town was the west the political

divide. other idea i think some of them are driven by the recent constitutional changes you again i mentioned before there's been the consolidation of the blue and green caps. yes i said i think that the pocketbook the possibilities of a strong third party candidate emerging and are much less than they were early in the two thousands years. i think that barry is. again there's a greater acceptance of democracy and bought into the greens there is a different kind of disillusionment also setting in on the margins of the earlier dissolution was there's too much conflict and things are new settlers they were under it the previous regime and now i think part of the unhappiness is there is not. you do there's not people in the legislative the innards are not parties that really represent my interests. and i

think that there's going to put up a little bit of frustration with that in which two degree is a natural in a democracy not everybody's going to be able to be completely and fully represented. but i think that there was greater expectations that that would happen and that big and the constitutional changes i think of me that a little more tearful call. to attain and. there might be the taps to undo those changes in my life heard about in my book i'd talk about. you know they're either of them tense from the dpp that perhaps they might like to revisit the issue of its own. and though one thing that we cannot ignore this you know if we talk about the lindfield domestic developments from taiwan specially since two thousand and eight. one has the mind or was he elected to office what's the progress that we have seen the foster relations with china. and though over the last meals we

almost six years now that the oman people would say you know on the one hand that the ot who commanded the relation is the gate through which i know i can on the clique is certainly helping heal the wonderful being a big boost. but taiwan's economy doing the use of financial crisis and also the european sovereign debt crisis. but on the other hand you know theo so people you can really go see the opposition camp hill thinking that over the years to come one is now being slowly absorbed by the chinese economy by big no huge potential in the chinese film as the market and a lot of the exodus of capital and then he'll personnel. he still continues and aiming to reduce the hauling out the banks failed taking place at the launch of mine tom wants long term prospects though and these two views you'll know one scene the position to say which one is no right to which one is wrong. but these two views

who represent some of the common thinking you know wolf with the development across relations. what's your take on this i think to politically things are much more stable and and and but that's a good thing he is using political tensions i think is a whimsical in fact it's not economically. isn't it good as it is a very mixed kind of thing i'm on the one hand yes it's that time one had to develop closer ties other economic ties. ie i think going to be and much much worse economic shape. on the other hand there is a need to diversifying i think the night i think both parties recognize that that there is a need to to diversify. taiwan's economic ties and i think a lot of the discussion about tying one being a regional economic cold winter its transportation or technology and so forth is an attempt to try to to develop that kind

of understanding and think about positioning tide line is this gateway into asia which i think is an interesting concept of. i'm not serious. china is going to allow that to happen or if it's going to encourage than to have. i think it would be in their best interest to do so. all i think that having a prosperous tide line bag is able to continue to provide expertise and capital to the mainland this fall is in its interest. and it's tied one only sees capital flight and and and intellectual flight to the mainland. from there. there is inevitably going to become pressure for something to be done about that and i think that pressures going to come in the form of people whining to create some sort of day jerry independents and that's something that of course china said its redline this

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