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running skills and abilities refined twenty years of what extent. lulu ring you will the program is brought you by her group. waste from norway's mainstream crews were lies. the herd exploring one thousand miles of norwegian coastline clinton replied to local encounters and access to wilkinson. i am. connor welcome back to watch a false name kept coming up in redmond questions legitimacy of next month's presidential election in ukraine russia
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maneuvers me start near the border. all in response to give success to wrest control of these pro russian separatist. the suspense participation in the mideast peace talks this in response to a unique deal on rival palestinian factions. none of the day boating and indians by election in contrast was frontrunner in promoting campaigns his home district to symbolically charged with juicy of our house. ll strong talk and deeds out of moscow this thursday. landry putin's spokesman questioning the legitimacy of may twenty fifth presidential actions in ukraine. the defense minister announcing renewed maneuvers
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near the border. this after kim's forces tested the defenses of pro russian separatists in the flashpoint city of sled dogs. currently as the flabby and ukrainian troops close in around the pool to protect stronghold. the government billions to be occupied by separatists. here's to family this month. they're holding down the center and it doesn't eastern time this demanding a referendum to be an experimental painting. yes announced the launch of a recent strike and idps. early on thursday the acting president told parliament that ukrainian forces have fought off an attack on the retreat a few stable in the park. there was an attack on the millet rebates. which possesses an arsenal of weapons cannot smoltz. it's here. nobody cheated with the tigers were forced off with huge losses among them any one soldier has been lightly wounded. he lived in the local autonomy. he also announced government trips
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have taken back to city hall in memory of paul. if african plains masked men who carried out acts of violent attack those listeners who was michael caine and during the storming of the town hall or two unknown men in masks can be shouting instead of tax cuts. what they were beating everybody inside the courtroom. scary scary and president of the repeated that there will be consequences if he empties his forces against its people us president obama has accused russia of going against an international agreement signed in geneva last week which stated that illegal armed groups occupying buildings and ukraine should disarm and vacate the premises in turn russian foreign ministers said the lab for all that for us to use its influence to persuade him to take the first step toward the escalation to you. these rules officially suspended participation in mideast peace talks that's in response to wednesday's deal to form a unity government between rival palestinian factions. the israeli prime
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minister today convened a security cabinet saying he was ready to talk with the palestinian president's that only has included to talk genuine peace the agreement was greeted with celebrations in the gaza strip and was anchored in a deal between hamas and fatah also triggered angry reactions from israel. after calling the move political terror is really authorities announced they were suspending peace talks with palestinians aren't ready to back down. i yelled loudly defended israel's violent reaction against this agreement and the suns defeated the hippo we've gone one up with is a precise destroy your threats will not scare us. we are determined to get some freedom and change the balance of power without unity and resistance on wednesday ep united states had already warned that fact as the season tonight with hamas could threaten peace talks with israel. some officials even hinted that the us could reconsider its financial aid to
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the palestinians. the us the eu and israel view hamas is a or in a station the islamist group has been finding israel for years and refuses to recognize it. i must have been sworn enemies since the militant group seized the gaza strip in two thousand seven with attack controlling the way spain according to the unity deal and in turn take the credit government will be formed within four weeks. this would give palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas legitimacy to speak for all palestinians. but many remain skeptical of the two sides have made similar pledges in the past only to see them fall through. india's staggered five week general action now at the midway point. polls closed in mumbai and elsewhere on the big day of voting. this is hindu nationalists from from entering promoting launched his own campaign for parliament in the symbolically charged and district of the religious city of darren awesome the green star power to
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polling stations. bollywood actors were mom hundred and eighty million people eligible to cast their vote on thursday and six phase of india's industrial action it's my responsibility. i wanted to change my country that's ninety two votes. i have probably been one to question someone nice at first exercise my right toe the new home city of fantasy and intimate efficient and to his nomination he has been used by some bias against religious minorities. he was defeated fifty three. this next prime minister. since. i read his own position. tyler it seems ruling congress party is going to be cut by accusations of corruption and pressure to stimulate the flagging economy. cast in the northeastern city of light t shirt country know it
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and its competitors the results been announced. i don't mean to call it it does mean you don't. i think the truth of it. fabio go. i don't think i think it can be so cold that is trapped by a team with. the asked lisa to take security in kashmir olson said that as politicians urged cache near eastbourne top of her india's sovereignty which he did not lie and pretend the hundred and seventeen seats were up for grabs on thursday. in all five hundred and forty three members of parliament will be elected for the six week period after ten years in office and insisting that he will not seek a third term. we need you think they're pretty for change. thousands rallied in the suburbs of bangladesh's capital to commemorate the first anniversary of the run up was a garment factory fire. angry protesters demanding better working conditions and aid for victims and their families. this in the week
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the textile factory blaze at lest one thousand one hundred and thirty eight. the summer family member is fiercely i'm retired. that sums up the spot with a run of five though one of steve's. he makes to break ties in the garment workers who died in the factory collapsed and policing to demand that the government the international community here at the time when many families are still in the tie hundreds of workers to making some of the club east remaining on identifying some pics and super steep small sums of compensation. there is nothing. a teenage activities after i found the body of my time in the seventy three and twenty thousand taka with the burial and later i got him and two hundred thousand taka. in all this amounts to less than two thousand euros. an international fund for victims has so far beats less
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than half of its twenty eight million euro targets. i know and love. he can be seen to be. in the making despite the defeat uniforms history by western interiors increase the minimum weights campaigners say in reality workers' rights remain indifferent across an addition from four thousand five hundred garment factory many are demanding that sometimes i just don't add the rest of trying to flee the country honey the downstairs. china has been allowed to break down the hatches. cherished and storm blowing across parts of the north of the country's strongest of its kind in decades a red alerts. in effect for cons who prompts billowing clouds of sounds
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that they are installing branches of trees tend to go under the force of the dale johnson province is on the breadth of its distance was some storm to hit the region since nineteen ninety six. mine is as iconic my eyes. gardening can tell whether it's your night motorists have a similar problem turning on their headlights in the middle of the day just to be able to see the roots. this dependency was produced in less than twenty meat is in certain areas. the suns also approached happened to the trains. many services in the provincial capital lunch or temporarily suspended. and now forecasters predict that the province. as temperatures drop. the cold wave will bring a heavy frost. we took a strong impact on agricultural production in the new planted crops will be damaged. mc province is located close to vast desert regions and the kinds of sentiments made to deforestation and subsequent desertification. according to chinese experts the number of
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some stores nationwide with multi point one six in the next fifty years. no kidding it's a rate of the dozen a year. brains of some securing a spot in the united states. it is time now for the false been tempted. eye. on. the history does not repeat itself its starters that quote attributed to karl marx put to the test by events in ukraine. ten days ago we were wondering it's the mysterious masked man popping up everywhere in eastern ukraine signals a repeat of crimea with a seamless takeover by russia proved irresistible now it's clear history is not exactly repeating itself in eastern ukraine but has been shed. the population more divided the outcome on this earth. ukrainian tanks this their state testing the result of pro russian separatists enough for moscow
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to restart military maneuvers at the border. sponges moscow by the way flexing its muscle us nato forces deploying in neighboring poland. they request a bit nervous. east european members. geneva agreement. one week ago now seems like a feeding them and today the false and get to be looking at the escalation in ukraine and we just talk about it from the eastern ukrainian city of vignettes falls and gets douglas herbert has been on the roads this thursday will be asking about it in a minute. here in the studio. please welcome it is the more precious yet welcome back to the tv show you're a member of the euro might don collective which has been in the streets kept since november. still there more mature more across the head. also ms morrison has ever asked the director of the polish institute of international festival of the shows are still in power he teaches international relations and security policy at the ala in the universe
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the fastest see you and from london june brent of the stop the war coalition thank you for joining us the husband did to the region join the conversation on facebook and twitter are passionate and two for today. let's start with you. douglas hurd on your actions in yet. after what was billed by some as kids attempt to retake the flashpoint city of posts lot of yawns. you seem to imply that his pro career that he was more a question of testing the resolve of those pro russian separatists the scent from what we witness today tom and i spent most of the day of beauty at a checkpoint a pro russian separatist at check point about five km outside to smoke the odds. there are several of these checkpoints are usually out pile of tires usually i would be at doncaster the tiny x flag flying from it. on that from what we could see. basically
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the ukrainian anti terror operation as the authorities in kiev recalling it is exactly that as as of now as it is how it is testing and proving i say that because they haven't actually seize control would dismantle any of the checkpoints today what it does appear to be is the most concerted effort to date at least over the past twenty four hours by the ukrainian forces to show the russian separatists that the two main business as we do remember when are they initially launched their first anti terror so called anti operation. it ended in a very humiliating failure when the local population of seven sees the tanks. where were the soldiers surrendered them was ever quite clear what happened but it was clearly a failure to set back to the army. it seems the ukrainian to try to do this time it sends a signal that we might not attack right away. we're not make them that they would look like a bucket actions to say no the russian troops are still waiting and watching on the blogger there. but we are going to make their presence
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felt with the keep coming back to you and we're not going away anytime soon. when we got to this checkpoint this morning. we basically are confronted a band of local villagers. not professional soldiers by any means on the club's standing by a bunch of smoking tires tires to which they apparently upset by it to earlier and they told us that just before we arrived a tank of the ukrainian tanks backed by the time i had retreated after an uneasy standoff that lasted a little over an hour to hour and twenty minutes apparently according to the pro russian forces at ease at checkpoints they said ukrainians have fired some warning shots before retreating not at the seventy s but just warning shots in which even i will say though that as the day wore on shortly thereafter brush in production said that you sent in reinforcements. these were much more disciplined more professional more heavily armed with kalashnikov thing you have a handle them. who arrived at the scene at this
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checkpoint about a dozen of these men they were much more aggressive towards the journalists pushed us all back immediately. and they were basically there to show that they mean business. if those it did when those ukrainian tanks. come back so we tested definitely reach a new face in this operation although tonight the local media is reporting that the ukrainian forces have suspended for now there are attempts to take back so the odds but by no means is this operation over it's just thatge in what is to be a good run up to launch operation. that is critical the sooners still very difficult to say who those masked men aren't a question you've been asking one of the last two weeks. but let me ask you to dq. get a chance at all to speak to some of the ukrainian government forces to get their reaction to what's going on. i get to the question very easily. we got there as i said after the ukrainian forces that left him one of the oven. one of the interesting aspects to
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this day is that all of us whether we showed up it was no sign of any ukrainian forces you know we hear everywhere about this on so called anti terror operation which has launched an operation which ukrainian government promises will end up just watching these russian separatists. but where are we when all we saw where the separatists themselves they were very visible and they were omnipresent along the roads of what we teach see what we did see our week next week but such is not this one here i'm not sure all your viewers can see it all swap shore of the suppliers. these are liars you could maybe see that little loco excited to arms of men in the upper right back where it says warning careful terrorism. i let the spiders are as they were dropped by a white helicopter which i believe i saw yesterday at the ukrainian military airport on the outside a comet or skin with him. we dropped this is the paradox is that coming up across yet those flyers are we. we chased them down. we went
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into what the town a comment or ask we pick him up as they fell on the ground but they were with instructions to the vocal that depends on how to survive in the face of what is called a concerted campaign of brushing sabotage and terrorism telling them don't mix with crowds don't go to meetings don't let yourself be used as a human shield by the russians don't play their game. don't become part of their propaganda media campaign. we actually sold a lot of locals a few locals an elderly man pick up the slightest glance at it tear them up when we ask them why are they doing that they said it's all a bunch of propaganda we don't even need to read that and that was the word we hear it again and again these locals were not taking kindly to the spiders they sell them as a propaganda campaign aimed at them not the directions up by the government entity of a government that many of them is trusted by illegitimate we who were aggression react to this american reaction to the head and nose pliers to have the sense that the hearts and minds in eastern ukraine are lost to kim at this point i think
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it's maybe that the eagerness was mostly talking to people who are actually outside already going around and those people are probably not it's so much he is scared of the separatists because of money so the sister of my grandmother actually leave seen my keys which is still quite close to the desk and she has got herself in piracy has someone or some food items doesn't go out because he's actually afraid of going on. so i think it will be part of the population doesn't think that this is a kind of propaganda but there's also another part which will probably read this and hopefully will stay at home and not to incite that while this anti operation goes on. in june are three new head of the service is kind of kid is announcing that the suspended the operation for now does it sound like a kid is helpless well i don't think they have to meet any legitimacy in the east and south but this the fundamental problem the government was formed off to the likes of him which has never enjoyed it too to see it meets in the east and
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south for political process to get going. so it doesn't surprise me that day. lame games with this attempt to reassert their authority or to assert their authority in parts of ukraine which probably they have no real control over. i think this is a hero of the dangerous game because ultimately what has happened is not new to tactics of one sort or another but a genuine political dialogue between the two pots of ukraine which are being dragged the pots by the west and nine russia. it says it's a very dramatic situation i see from the moment. come and visit the ukrainian people can be allowed. on the room to discuss the future by themselves but that doesn't seem that seems increasingly unlikely and you agree with that announcement there ukraine's if they can't really back it up with force when they shouldn't even bother trying to be going there with tanks and more
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we'll use the ukrainian troops are in. this is the i disagree it is not the legitimate government defended its the government which has among the eight of the parliament. full people indies and south it's not even fully people and in eastern ukraine. we were looking to opinion polls and physically majority who recognizes the need for the character integrity of your brain recognizes your crying as he. a few of them chose the ukraine and russia there is a busy building site about what is happening in kiev under islam been a misunderstanding and people in east ukraine off at a gun to three of the russian tv and for some other means. but um. i would not. i'll not put on top the acting so brush up and hold the west is i don't really quite see how the west is pulling to ukraine some of her way and it is the people
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of it yet that people might dump it into the streets at the moment. to demonstrate a catchment of your opinion nobody forced them to do about race dates for months even in freezing cold. and it's not like they were tracking down and paint and to be but they wanted to keep and war russia subsequently did it. it was hard to believe these people to choose some of my boys. well i mean this goes back much further than last october this goes back he is. it will pop off though western european union neighborhood policy whose objective was to aggressively integrate number of countries into the european union and state my view the mistake. in the way in which an opinion went about that was engulfed in bolting russia properly in all of those discussions because of the same time as you have these you know russian and eurasian union
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and the european union these two are incompatible economically. and these over to this town will not be seen by many people as a way of a team of choice and i think it's a mistake to put the ukrainian people in a position where they feel rightly or wrongly that may have to make a choice. this way will not like that itself is i think mistake and diplomatically in geo strategic are a lot of reactions coming in on this point. charles on facebook saying where there is action there is a reaction in russia we will join in. jim brown. let me ask you to it between iraq and our place at this point. you heard marston say that up. he is there to national sovereign territory they should be allowed to go wherever they pleased the government decides to send troops to one part of its own national territory what does kit too. they can
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tie it all. to escalate or de escalate they can do to tie it to you by the night. they have a choice. and they are clearly listening to voices in the last. the bestie whether they go ahead or not and there's no doubt about that until the whole society has been to the lady is no doubt that older. if you go around the east you'll find all kinds of different opinions with a predominant some people again saying that they are against the regime and tia. i need to go around in the west you will find divided opinions with a predominance of people probably sign that i support the government in kiev. and it's this division that's been imposed on the body politic are you crying. i would suggest from the moment that obama said around the eighth of december last year we stand with the ukrainian people. he declared that the protesters in kiev where the ukrainian people. and that this is
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completely out to the norms of international behavior you know we have a demonstration in london we cannot live couple big ones coming up the shia no foreign aid will come over and declared that demonstrate in london. all of the british people to account so that's been imposed on the situation and anybody can escalate with the estimate to have that choice is the goodness that you can now do you think that there is a problem where people care if i'm not showing perhaps enough respect and compassion for those in the east to try to bring him on board. i think they're trying them. that's the case that people are then it's questionable whether the government is doing enough and whether it was doing enough especially in the previous month when the situation was not past tense it is right now. but did say that there is a strong movement from the larry beginning for dial up so that people might not be who will always be open to dialogue the police trying to incite people from the eastern ukraine to talk and to try find some common
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solutions. i also would like to say that ok people in the sum of the mine not find that the current government is the judgment but after the elections. one cannot argue not any longer the key point right now is to top elections in ukraine and then we move along. so this chick in a situation that goes back to normal. ms herbert let me ask you you covered the crisis in crimea up at this point in the team began its the question we talked about at the outset is appalling the same pattern or is there still room for a real compromise. so let me just say we haven't seen the so called little green men deployed here yet showing up at these checkpoints i know them and i described earlier the well disciplined. heavily armed men might resemble the little green men that we saw all of the crimea but it's it's a different blogger it be so it seems odd that it seems that a chill up until now we see elements are mostly local
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militia self styled local militia and while yes you have abundance of reports and people suggesting in rumors that they're backed up by russian agents russian special services which may or may not be true no definitive proof has been offered of that. but there's a sense in the chair of the way his eyes it's whatever you wanna call it right now the scenarios being played out these different in crimea and obviously the history of crimea is different than the history of ukraine is more a sense that perhaps the russians. he probably felt like if they wanted to they would have an easier time than mixing of crimea in annex in eastern ukraine that's not on anyone's minds right now at least not openly and publicly in moscow i wanted to go back to one point though about the elections. there has been there been some reports today that the leaders of the so called connects the people's republic. i have already openly proclaims that they will have absolutely nothing to do with that presidential election now said the twenty
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fifth of may. they said that even if the candidate is put up a supposedly represents the east of ukraine. they will not let the devil not recognize the candidate they will say he doesn't really represent our interests. he doesn't really speak for us so what we're seeing is it's not even to this over at me saying we're not to recognize the selection. the local people here are doing. if you wanna be cynical about it are doing region's job for him there are already coming out and saying we want no part of this election the election ahead of time is already being undermined. and then perhaps it's hard to see at this point how is smooth they are transparent election can be carried out at least in this part of the country. the us government's response i'll add to this point has been we are determined to hold the selection and to whatever political weapon to us with their words today. it has to be held in implying that even if the east ends up holding out against in their actions in this area the country that do not take part will boycott
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the selection of joe recognize that they are ready to hold the election anyway we'll be picking up on that point of whether or not let her put them in the west of talk themselves into a corner lot of your reactions coming in. so i think the fact that the west is against russian ukraine will bring a third world war and its width is not the case because the panel. when we come back to watch austin. the cannons down to us. this weekend when you don't know what the next. he did. she's been named after christie you love the beach. there's no sign to stopping it. this week we travel to south africa. we don't need to keep me in posting. the first black woman to hold him and he's mine. voldemort has just bought her way to the top. to
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the report says. three years up to the conflict began point in jordan's refugee camps has become a living we don't disagree with. most of this outcome is that these young women can become a commodity for their family some are forced into my old as of late to work as prostitutes. the stock price writes slaves including the redress. they are entirely at the mercy of the male keep this powerful tool when taunted on the land of talk and relate to it. we met some of the victims who destroyed and one. report says. i can. i kept the car connor. but before using the false take it to be disciples the series will soon be able to own one of the top of the hour that women questions legitimacy of next month's presidential election in ukraine russia maneuvers we start near the border zone response to kids attempts to wrest control of these pro russian
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separatists. israel seized and participation mideast peace talks this in response to a unity deal among rival palestinian faction and it ends here are a big day of voting as the internationals from one who brings the movie opens his official campaign in his district. i know. on all. welcome back welcome if you just joining us this is the false then get to be with the team and win is very much one week after those talks in geneva an escalation in ukraine of both domestically and to just outside the borders without the russians. restarting military maneuvers. the us
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and deploying and into neighboring poland were talking about it. with the dog was herbert hall stand cats in a national affairs editor who's in the eastern ukrainian city of ten units were also taught him i would eat or other should be out of the euro might done collective. and marc's the roster director of the polish institute of international affairs. julian howard who teaches international relations security policy at the jail and that universities and dug up from london. please welcome back jim brown of the stop the war coalition were talking about how their various shades jim brown made the point or one of our discussion various shades of opinion in eastern ukraine far different from crimea was named as lou brown reported from the town of comet or square is proving incredibly difficult to gauge the outcome or the strength of the stakeholders for
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the last week his ukrainian soldiers of being holed up in chronicles the tree and bass despite their roman vehicles they haven't broken through to separate these barricades the brutal here. his current team and by just such a nineteen you believe. mentors is one of the eastern ukrainian town too harshly for an honest effort to control it be on her mini trees sitting up stealing the moment ukrainian security service building. it didn't due to a concert here separate east of the race to the police chief who seized efficiency close to hearing from it towards the mission and really seen on the streets. the aunt home welcome. the news review for it it's a bleak and dark tones me. wilco much suffering to help bring out many people have died. and all these people to carry their weapons and dave had to
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know which remain that way that's not good. a certain freedom of expression incoming calls and the ungodly seats went to moma to see wayne scott downs stronghold of the separatist movement. the central square fifty six run over to the victims of that they can shoot up to the easter weekend. the professional ortiz three good men are heroes. preparing for siege the separatists helix it's meant to send the street from the truth rests in the document demonstrates the mount. personally it is so cute on him and will use to start a further four days and all cool but sunny is the minority must submit to the majority in a group of liverpool. we are ready to propose any attack. we don't have a seat and into talks had a treat to be in vain to watch a court martial pm belligerent and uncompromising message from
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the citizens' media dominican speaking. we don't claim to want to link him to feel special liking to this each stalingrad. this of course coming as we got news earlier in the week of the killing of a city councilman for the meter read back on the sega was crocs dad. and it appears appears to have been abducted by a separate system and an american journalist was held for a couple days but for russian surgeons east ukraine asking least as well. let me ask you about this or i should get. when you see the situation now. can you see that report on had the easier it is there any way that it can be dialogue among ukrainians to resolve this up for soho. it's quite questionable whether this nest on it actually represents local population because one must understand that even in the snow in a
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speech in their keys for parties that are pretending to be the government. so first of all there is the central ukrainian government. then there is big business the. then there is also the party of regions who have that in the assembly of local ticket east were suppose to be enacted by local people and then there are also some other green and it's extra buck or two pertaining to the government so the question is whom to negotiate with someone anyone to negotiate with the people and the question is that i don't doubt as to the is actually re presenting all of those people and how does this leave there in some doubt said keep the auction they are the keys will not stand on it. he's written the majority. i want to question not. it's harder when you were in slow dance to do you get a sense of popular fervor fervor for the separatists. will slow the us is an exceptional town in the sense right now that it's perhaps the most diehard of the strongholds of what we
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spoke to quite a few people in store bought yesterday not today as i said the town was mostly deserted a lot of people are staying at home and take it yesterday the vast majority people out on the streets that we spoke to sympathize by end of week that the separatist cause. he was only really one one and that we spoke to the chair choose to express a dissenting view and cheong was whispered it to us because she was really scared of speaking too loudly on earlier she'd been out crowd of people and sees it she suggested that perhaps i'd add that perhaps the other three of the men who were killed in that weekend shootout weren't killed by ukrainian ultra nationalists from the second group. roxy was about another explanation what happened she said she was nearly beaten up she got very very scared because why she is very reluctant to talk she wanted to talk to a camera she was literally just whispering to us. um that would take outside of slug on sky any comment to let the water out of noble park
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yesterday. just speaking to people and it interesting a lot of people there really disagree with the methods of the separate incidents the mood to write diehard to espouse walk what they do say is listen we all wanna live in peace. i met a lot of its economic base that we all wanna work we wanna leave well be one of the budget system that will allow us to the best life possible. they feel their grievances are being hurt but that doesn't necessarily mean that they necessarily want to go as far as some of this epic as the guys manning the barricades the guys wielding the other weapons us talking about are going up but so they are people who express dissenting views and i'm going back to you guessed it earlier. absolutely right a lot of people to stay home or to not go out on the streets on and do not necessarily agree with everything that's going on here. we only hear from people that do agree because they tend to be the most vocal of the most physical touch and ran off putting to you who do you negotiate with and do you have. that election on may the twenty fifth that now moscow is
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casting doubt so. i suspect that the election of may the twenty fifth will be extremely time. extremely problematic because the whole of the ukrainian political situation has been in to nationalize the weekend to nationalize relief from the beginning even from me you know when the american the state the european affairs handed out cookies in my dance class and no doubt russian is dying world no doubt that all women of course on from crimea the whole thing is beginning to nationalize and i don't think that you can have a very effective or recognized election. in those conditions and it may well be that those people who support the new government for the inaction of those people who don't support the new government can and will be in
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action. internationalization is a problem. several key pieces with russia basically wanted all along. rush out and didn't want to hide the election which route the deep river that a tenancy to the government in kiev basically it's in russian in traffic that you have to the columns that you have the and the covenants which was conceived in question and he complied with that with the virus. hence i think that puddle but what is going on now in sabean symptom of toll was conducting no sweat was exacted for that purpose not necessary to achieve. to create facts on the ground so to take these towns away from your crime but actually to read the entirety of the entire election process and to continue doing but often visits will put you through the often. he basically does not want to and i'll be the cessation of the current situation when it
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with the legitimacy being cocky but he never promised an election in may the twenty fifth june. i think a semi long probe into the elections on the twenty fifth of the soul the jim brown just outlined. i happen to agree with almost everybody to be on the situation the east is unreadable. nobody can say this law will battle the below represent the people that the people they represent about fifty percent of the population ukraine. the look of each government. the boston joined to the minister's role from this part of ukraine under the new government. he cleans out the portion up from twenty to thirty people talk about representation point in time with my chin that time the team's primary objective i think all along has been to disrupt and to this that destabilize the government in kiev. i think a secondary objective the more profound objective is to prevent ukraine us the whole point of ukraine from becoming the member tomato but even
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recently i'm too attached to the european union. it lasted very long time to stock only when you create art with plenty of free choice and if it's food foreign policy right. um i mean the whole thing can it be the whole boycotted by most consultants from the objection to the association agreement with the eu. the uncommon as it went well beyond the coalition of may. let's hear from the man himself after the announcement by the russian defense ministry of military maneuvers on the border earlier and that day. the russian president weighing in warning ukraine's interim government that deploying the army to the east would constitute from the very serious crimes against its own people we could open the new capitalist elite to know i have a nationwide man that i knew in that list jason r e a day and we have some elements of legitimacy and then only in parliament. since then they can do with all the other logistical darcy's have for one reason or another town
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that the images imagine. i shouldn't. the issue with the pursuers is not an excuse to face confrontation it's more of the souls of the counterinsurgency operation the un that it will have consequences and after three for the decision makers and correlations between all states to which the typical say we'll see how the situation develops. and i will draw conclusions based on the realities of the situation. would you do in movies today is the elite school of the rich economies is that for all of who and what he's basically saying his arm is in the dvd and auction fees with knowledge of the masa the vicar for fishermen be about but have no right to operate the free they can be easily own country. i need to do so and they would show conclusions and perhaps intriguing concept. that's why. ukraine forces have been soaked in it
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because they don't want to get any pretext to these four deep on fifty thousand russian troops to intervene that's why they think they know that this trip out to use to denote a lot of strong cold after another. and blessed week and today paid a fire warning shows they just don't want to keep the russians any pretext. but and you know basically this is the ukraine through three states by inept would not apply here. or is improvised wrestling with these off themselves to the other plant does he know how far he's prepared to go there very very different opinions about that. i think he wants to be stabilized he wants to join crying. four seats away from the west whether he wants to invade. i think that's the really difficult one most i think most strategic analysts think the view that he is it's not in his interest in babies already having difficulty digesting crimea. russian troops not old by all. there's a lot of evidence and friends talking on his lukewarm he may well
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end up accompanied many of you know it's difficult for the toothpaste back into the tube i think that's the image that comes to mind here. he's opened up a pandora's box which changing the method for which he does not control. but the ease in the news in my view and i think and feel a lot of people in the united states with whom i've been talking to international relations strategies that it would be very foolish of putin to go so far as to actually invite ukraine. he will have a huge job. i'm leaving that and i'm managing it. and it'll go on for very long time gingerbread whether he can only eight points or one of the road that would put me in ways i think on the gingerbread you agree yet my sense is that i'm. two things in russia does not want the relatively backward industry of the east a new crime is one thing it doesn't really want to vote no the other thing is the truth
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is that the state actually the time. opposition section of ukraine and out of town from all united in ukraine were on patron saint of ukraine left to contend with so allows nonchalant i'm sure he's not making this every minute. i think that kate is a doctrine that the forecourt of the responsibility to protect russians on no doubt that the factor on the ongoing events in ukraine that i suspect that he just wants to keep that as a factor of two actually. later on home home appointing he he has used clinton has used the analogy of kosovo again and again and again and this is a very unfortunate situation but kosovo house while the news and is being used all the time as a precedent for the sorts of very very different things the crushers going to do in this part of the world. min is nothing
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comparable between the doctrine of responsibility act as it's going to the united nations on the way was good to me using it but nonetheless we in the west have created a precedent and leading to the consequences of an earlier in the day barack obama on a trip of the far east speaking for the first time in quite awhile since before the geneva talks of a week ago. the us president employing the s word sanctions. there was some possibility. the pressure to take the wiser course. after the meetings in geneva. so for at least we have seen them. not abide by the spirit or the letter of the agreement and gave a gift once again russia. fails to abide by. both despair the letter. i was discussing geneva bed. there will be for the consequences and we will ramp up further sanctions
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rusty red response. well i think it is often used to drive responsibly and i wish it didn't happen. some chains and the moment are very very models if a religious consented to a selected group of people one of which by the way would be speaking to open the conference in power is the cutest time soon. so far the tensions have been arch is symbolic of a theme park to be with it. the real impact of being by sending a message to the business community stay away. i'm not actually happen. but we really have to get its very very serious about assumptions now to get to the call all warped and actually pays to russia to stop the united states could be demanding in ukraine in office until we've been fed because from his press conference old medieval of the nation as chris put in calls it. he mentioned the head of uk confidence in the southeast you crying
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the century russian. she also made it clear that he says it has installed to protect russian minority russian speaking people around the well. i didn't mention among the most unequal body contacts ginger and ukraine and italy vs show of strength that will bring about impotence of the table russia has massively increased its military spending in recent years. if you recall to the team said on nom that must be eighteen on the time of the incorporation of you crying. on a rate that i'm in starting with the promise is done i think the twenty sixth in brussels in two completely different trajectories the two teams is basically everything is chinese. obama has basically had nothing to change. and a telephone box you can safely take a spin off company is you can say that it is right. and it is a straight how much and that's
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the problem. and of the many things that are the region said twenties he spoke about midst of the fact that the speech he said you lie to us. you keep lying to us. i knew take this on to find a very good the top we pretend that you put the midst of defense in poland to protect from there on that we know perfectly well it's kind of rocks. so that no i don't think i think they made on the cac a nation already blood money as cute as herbert. we know that line into his popularity soared to eighty percent after the takeover of crimea what's his street credit if you will where you are right now. listen once again going back to let a lot of the guests have been saying what i've also been observing is up there is no great love for pledging their pitching and like i was saying a lot of this population. they simply want to be heard. they simply want to have greater autonomy to score to determine their own fates. if
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you will on so it's not so much a sense that we wanna break away and join russia and the hunter region. i knew his stuff. it's not bad at all. putin is respected by a lot of people here but by the by no means one unnecessarily to be their overlord and their leader on the right putin's popularity of d played extremely well to domestic audience and it's it was the highest of the bid in on scenes ninety eight he started his third term. a couple years back near eighty percent level which is stratospheric popularity here it's not a slight guests at the checkpoints you often see signs saying that and come save us come to help us come rescue us direct appeals to it and i and we we obviously the pro the self acclaimed harris logan's that that we saw in the report earlier of the actions of an audience he himself appealed directlychievd troops and to provide arms to the people in his town but he does not reflect my sense at
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least from the people we've been speaking to the disgust as i was like the wheel and the desires of most people here who has respected the scene as yes the leader of the neighboring and strong country but he's not a step seen as a man at the people here to argue they want to submit to a simply want to preserve their ties with russia that business ties economic ties that have good relations with russia. um but they won a lot of people here wanna do it with the inn still united ukraine albeit one in which they have greater autonomy. at the outset of this discussion we talked about so the server was describing to us basically ukrainian government hanks going into the hot spots there in the east this thursday and sort of testing the waters and it could backfire is well handled talked about in poland on wednesday the first group of a contingent of around six hundred us soldiers are rising. they're seen as part of washington's effort to reassure its east european allies. one rescuer
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margins of iraqi. is this kid going to just be another red rag to a bowl or is this really can help bring. all sides of the tree. building is about precisely table of unease about or read it. give him some credibility to chew the notion of collective defense which a good moment if a blouse with a yes and poland the baltic states have joined many tall. you didn't have any serious in nature presents and pitcher or through all the states you've learned that having a serious exercise is a good and haven't been plotting for free. in the uk said there was the real threat to this area and basically what is happening now. this is the sort of a demonstration and charming but you know we are serious about collecting clues to the fence and we are serious about sending a signal to mr putin about. it
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has definitely been a teacher it is out of the boundary and don't even think about it to an hour that being the new identities of read write to all high is the motive is a signal which could be taken in the wrong way the problem here is that ukraine is not a member state of nature. and the head. i think overwhelming consensus within the mate online its other than saying we have to do something to stand up to ten below the consensus is that no change to stump up on all solution. therefore i think that is the danger here in this into two hundred guns unless you want to use it to danger we sow in kosovo because the warm milosevic george h w bush warned tempting to want and don't be nasty to the costs of oz always going to have to do something and eventually maker was obliged to do it and then there is also are not good so i think it's not in anybody's interest to the stage to be making
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military threats will make the ministry movements which could in the backline but jonah mean nobody's making nature presents hundred fifty troops to iraq in the capital of ukraine through trade. my next if you currently have fifty thousand is a russian troops in high readiness and on the ukrainian through two new engines operating a special forces operate in maths and one is the message and to contain a message to put in is in no. a walk. well i think that mrs was quite clear it is. we are serious about collecting defense all of the nato member states. is it written up i'm so so far with in august and the was no atmosphere is human nature presents a bid to reduce them to the churches of the member states will be precisely the reason you are talking about so old because that
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could upset russia unfortunately going to have to be that there is a lot more to talk with you to reshape the economic thinking i wanna thank as well as julianna hours of mars in the supper rusty. i wanna thank god for joining us from london june brent and falls and gets douglas herbert was covering events as they unfold in eastern ukraine thank you for being with us here in the past tense the school. keeps you up to date with all the latest from the world of sport. all the action. all the results all the emotion chilling done anything for his all round cause i can't overcome. and
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