04/14/15 04/14/15 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> the human rainbow had been mutilated by racism, militarism, and a lot of other isms. terribly killing our greatness our possible greatness, or possible beauty. amy: the great uruguayan author eduardo galeano has died at the age of 74. he made headlines in 2009 when venezuelan president hugo chavez

gave president obama a copy of his classic book, "the open veins of latin america." today we will air excerpts with eduardo galeano over the years. then to black lives matter. >> michael brown and eric garner and tami ricer the collective harvest of our unwillingness to look at the past? history is essentially a tool of empowerment. it is a matter of life and death. amy: from fatal police shootings charleston, south carolina and tulsa, oklahoma to a vicious , police beating caught on tape in california, we will look at what are your rights when it comes to videotaping the police? all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. four blackwater operatives have

been sentenced to lengthy prison terms for their role in the 2007 massacre of unarmed civilians at baghdad's nisoor square. a jury handed down guilty verdicts last year over the killings of 14 of the 17 iraqis who died when the defendants' blackwater unit opened fire. on monday, nicholas slatten was sentenced to life in prison for first-degree murder, while three other guards convicted of manslaughter were sentenced to 30 years each. in their first public statements on the killings, each of the operatives professed their innocence to the sentencing judge. the trial and monday's hearing, featured testimony from witnesses who survived the attack and saw loved ones gunned down. nisoor square is the highest-profile deadly incident involving blackwater or any private war contractor. the case lagged for years with prosecutors accused of dragging their feet and a lower court's dismissal of the charges in 2009.

in response to the sentences jeremy scahill, author of, "blackwater: the rise of the world's most powerful mercenary army," said -- "people who gun down innocent iraqis must answer for their crimes. so too, should those who sent them there to kill at will." russia is lifting a ban on anti-aircraft missile sales to iran. the deliveries were halted in 2010 following a series of security council resolutions imposing sanctions over iran's nuclear program. but moscow says the ban on the $800 million deal is no longer needed because of the framework nuclear deal reached earlier this month. defending the sale, russian foreign minister sergei lavrov said the system is purely defensive and suggested it's all the more needed in light of the ongoing military campaign in yemen led by iran's rival, saudi arabia. >> i want to stress that the s300 is a defense missile

system, purely defensive. it is not designed for attacks and will not put at risk the security of it original state, including israel. before iran, taking into a very intense situation in the region around it, modern or thai -- antiaircraft is needed. proof of this is the whirring development around yemen and the development of a military situation around this country. amy: lavrov also added that russia could use the money from the $800 million sale as it continues to face western-led sanctions. in washington, white house press secretary josh earnest said the u.s. has raised concerns with russia about the deal, as well as over another proposal for an oil-for-food type bartering program. >> the united states has previously made known our objections to that sale. i understand secretary kerry had an opportunity to raise these concerns once again in a recent conversation with his russian counterpart mr.. we are studying the details. if this arrangement works to

move forward, it would raise serious concerns and even could potentially raise sanctions concerns. we're going to continue to evaluate that moving forward as well. amy: u.s. and israeli objections appear to center on concerns the missile systems would make it harder for them to launch military strikes on iran. "the new york times" notes the delivery of an anti-missile defense system could -- "reduce u.s. leverage in the [nuclear] talks by making it much harder for the united states or israel to mount airstrikes against iran's nuclear infrastructure if the country ignored such an agreement." retired general david deptula, the air force's deputy chief of staff for intelligence, said -- "it is significant as it complicates the calculus for planning any military option involving airstrikes." the news comes as john kerry has launched a bid to win congressional support for the framework nuclear deal. speaking ahead of a closed-door briefing to members of congress, kerry said he hopes lawmakers will give the administration space and time. >> so we hope congress will

listen carefully and ask the questions that it wants, but also give us the space and time to be able to complete a very difficult task, which has high stakes for our country. it involves major national security, major issues of potential conflict versus diesel resolution -- peaceful resolution. we're hopeful this dialogue will be very productive. amy: the senate foreign relations committee today will weigh a measure that would give congress a say in the final nuclear deal with iran that negotiators aim to reach by june 30. president obama has vowed to veto the measure in its current form, saying it could threaten an agreement by blocking the lifting of international -- u.s. sanctions. at least 10 people have died in an attack on a government building in the somali capital of mogadishu. the militant group al-shabab has claimed responsibility. this follows an al-shabab massacre at a university in neighboring kenya earlier this month that killed 148 people. nigeria is marking the first anniversary of the kidnapping of more than

200 schoolgirls by the boko haram. on monday, the "bring back our girls" campaign held a silent march in the capital abuja. >> there are times that you don't say a word. people talk to you, you have no answers for them. we have reached this moment where tomorrow is basically one year, and it is so painful that we might wake up tomorrow in our girls are still not back. we have talked and talked and talked for 364 days. we feel it is time to go silent and express our pain by being quiet. amy: in a new report, amnesty international says the boko haram has kidnapped at least women and girls since the start 2000 of 2014. many have been forced into sexual slavery or taking part in violence. oklahoma prosecutors have charged a sheriff's reserve deputy with second-degree manslaughter in the fatal

shooting of an unarmed african-american man in tulsa. robert bates, who is white, says he mistakenly used his handgun instead of his stun gun, killing the victim, eric harris. video from the oklahoma sheriff's department shows police officers exiting their cars and chasing harris. after officers catch up to harris and bring him to the ground, an officer calls out the word "taser" twice, before firing a single fatal shot. when harris then says, "i'm losing my breath," an officer responds, "[bleep] your breath." on monday, eric harris' brother andre harris, spoke out about the case. >> if he had as much training as he supposedly had, he would definitely know a .357 from a taser. this is something that either he didn't really think about or he

just decided that he just wanted to shoot and he would worry about it later. amy: if found guilty, bates' second-degree manslaughter charge would likely mean a sentence of two and four years in prison. bates is a wealthy insurance executive and heavy donor to the tulsa police department, who gets to volunteer on the force as a reserve. we will have more on the story later in the broadcast. activists have marched to call for sweeping congressional change. the 250 mile march six and into racial profiling and militarized policing as well as dismantling of the "societal and institutional pillars of mass incarceration." senator marco rubio of florida has declared his candidacy for the republican presidential nomination in 2016. he joins republican field that includes jebbush as well as rand paul of kentucky and ted cruz of texas.

one of latin america's most acclaimed writers eduardo , galeano, has died at the age of 74. the uruguayan novelist and journalist made headlines when -- was the author of many books, including "the open veins of latin america: five centuries of the pillage of a continent." we will have more after headlines. . the nobel prize-winning german author günter grass has died at the age of 87. until his death, grass was considered to be germany's most famous living writer, best known for his 1959 novel, "the tin drum," widely considered a 20th century classic. he also spoke out a number of political issues advocating , nuclear disarmament and opposing war. he was barred from visiting israel in 2012 after publishing a poem that described the nuclear-armed state as a threat to world peace. in 2006, he drew controversy over his own past after admitting in a memoir he had concealed his membership in an elite nazi unit, the waffen ss as a teenager. grass said -- "it was a weight on me. my silence over all these years is one of the reasons i wrote

the book. it had to come out in the end." he was awarded the nobel peace -- nobel prize in literature in 1999 praised for undertaking "the enormous task of reviewing contemporary history by recalling the disavowed and the forgotten." and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now! democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: welcome to all our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. one of latin america's most acclaimed writers, eduardo galeano, died on monday in montevideo, uruguay. he was the uruguayan novelist 74. and journalist made headlines when venezuelan president hugo chávez gave president obama a copy of his classic work, "the open veins of latin america: five centuries of the pillage of a continent." since its publication in 1971, "open veins" has sold over a million copies worldwide

despite being banned by the military governments in chile, argentina, and his native country of uruguay. while in exile after the uruguayan military junta seized power in a 1973 coup, galeano began work on his classic trilogy "memory of fire," which , rewrites five centuries of north and south american history. he is also the author of "soccer in sun and shadow," "upside down," "the book of embraces," "we say no," "voices of time and mirrors," among others. his most recent book was called, "children of the days." he received numerous international prizes, including the lannan prize for cultural freedom, the casa de las américas prize, and the first distinguished citizen of the region by the countries of mercosur. amy: the writer john berger said of eduardo galeano -- "to publish eduardo galeano is to publish the enemy: the enemy of lies, indifference, above all of forgetfulness. thanks to him, our crimes will be remembered. his tenderness is devastating,

his truthfulness furious." in 2013, nermeen shaikh and i spoke to eduardo galeano in our new york studio when his book, "children of the days: a calendar of human history," had first been published. before we go to a clip of that interview, the significance of eduardo galeano? juan: this is a huge loss, not only for latin america, but for those who are fighting for social justice and for truth around the world. it is remarkable reflection, the number of world leaders who made statements yesterday after learning of his death. brazil's president, dilma rousseff, said eduardo galeano's death was a big loss particularly for those fighting for latin america that is more inclusive, just, and united. she went on to say, may his work an example of struggles stay with us and aspires each day to build a better future for latin america.

evo morales, president of brazil, call gagliano a maestro of liberation of the people. i'm sorry, bolivia. and also the president of greece noted the death of gagliano affected every citizen of europe. there's been enormous outpouring of condolences and remembrances of the legacy of eduardo galeano . amy: we will continue to talk about him as we play excerpts of our interviews. first, this interview that we did with them when his last book came out. nermeen: you've often quoted public because of saying art is a lie that tells the truth. what do you see as a significance of art and of your writing in particular, its relationship to the truth and to politics? >> to politics and everything outs.

what is a good writer from my point of view? that we say, to make the best we can present telling history of two centuries ago or three centuries or four, or i don't know how much, and the reader may see it is happening right here and now. the past the presented in the words of the world writer. that is a lie in the sense of what he or she is telling is not happening now, but thanks to art prodigies, magic powers is occur -- it does occur today.

i remember -- i did not receive a formal education. i received my first lessons in the art of telling stories storytelling. i was very, very young. old people, or more or less old, they were telling stories. i was hearing, because they were very good storytellers. one of them was telling a story about his fears. in a war period in the countryside in uruguay, he was

walking among the killed soldiers of both sides. they were distinguished white in the red. suddenly, he found an angel -- that is what he said, i found an angel. with their arms open, laying in the grass. and a bullet had entered into his head crossing the white ribbon. but he could read in the -- in the white ribbon was a stain of blood all along it.

but something was written there -- "for my country, for my countryside." how is it in english? country? amy: country. for my country. >> the bullet had entered in the word "her." so i felt i was looking at that man who had died 50 years ago or 60 years ago. so this was a lie, but a lie telling the truth. this was art, and art done by an anonymous person and with no pretensions of being, you know, selected -- elected by the finger of god.

there are some writers who feel they are elected by god. i am not. i am elected by the devil, this is clear. [laughter] amy: i want to ask you about the power of silence as you talk about words. you were born in uruguay. you left at the time of the coup. you were imprisoned briefly? >> briefly. amy: why did they imprison you briefly? >> i don't know. i never knew. everybody was imprisoned, even if you feel or you were, you know, practically free. but it -- and it was an entire country in prison. and uruguay was at that time world champion of torture. everybody was tortured. i wasn't. i was lucky enough to avoid it will stop -- avoid it. and torture was quite efficient not in the sense that it's told

by some friends of torture. no not in this sense. it's not -- never -- it's almost never useful to get information. and the purpose of torture is not getting information. it is spreading fear. and in this sense, torture was really efficient in uruguay. it was an entire country sick -- amy: six. >> of fear. i remember receiving an exile in barcelona some letters anonymous letters with no indications of address, names, nothing. and one of the letter said " it's terrible learn to lie.

but, you know, we had no choice. we are obliged to lie, day and night, lying. and it is horrible. but worse to learn -- but worse than learning to lie is teaching to lie. and i have three children." amy: three children? >> that is what the letter said. "worse than learning to lie was teaching july. and i have three children." amy: on the issue of silence, you went from uruguay to argentina and their the torture the repression was intense. you were editor of a magazine and you answer the censorship with silence. explain. >> yes.

yes, finally, i fled away from argentine also because -- i couldn't stay in uruguay because i don't like to be in jail, and i didn't stay in urgent tina. i could not, because i didn't want to late in the cemetery. because i told you before, death is very boring. nermeen: you said a lot of your work is about reclaiming different histories, not only in latin america, but also in latin america, to overcome what you've called the problem of amnesia. could you elaborate on what you meant by that? >> amnesia? well, we have a memory cut in pieces. and i write trying to recover our real memory, the memory of humankind, what i call the human

rainbow, which is much more colorful and beautiful than the other one, the other rainbow. but the human rainbow had been mutilated by a choose no -- machismo, racism, militarism, and a lot of other isms, who have been terribly killing our greatness, are possible greatness, are possible duty. -- our possible beauty. amy: eduardo galeano, acclaimed uruguayan writer and journalist, speaking on democracy now! in 2013. galeano died on monday in montevideo. we will come back to more about interviews with him in a moment. ♪ [music break]

amy: eduardo mateo, uruguayan songwriter. this is democracy now! democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: we continue our look back at the life of eduardo galeano who died on monday at the age of 74. he was author of many books, including "open veins of latin america." amy: he was a major editor in uruguay. after military to took power there in 1973, he left for argentina and their he also was editor of major publications but when military to take over, healed really left for spain. i want to turn back to our 2013 interview when nermeen shaikh and i spoke to him in our new new york when his book, "children of the days: a calendar of human history," had just been published. i started by asking him about the title of the book.

>> it comes from something years ago in online community in guatemala -- in a immunity in guatemala. someone said, we are children of the days. we are sons and daughters of time. and this began working inside me, and it finally resulted in this book. each day has a story to -- deserves to be told, because we are made of the stories. i mean scientists that say human beings are made of atoms but a little bird told me that we are also made of stories. and so each one has something to tell that deserves to be heard. in the structure of the book is

the structure of a calendar. each day, one story. one story for each day. nermeen: eduardo galeano, how did you tell the stories -- how did you choose the stories he would tell for each day? >> they chose me. you know, they touched my shoulder or my back saying "tell me. i'm a wonderful story and deserve to be diffused by you written by you. so, please, write me." and i said, well, i'm so busy, no. no that's an alibi. you must write me, the story said. and so i began -- i ended writing the stories, and later have a very hard process of selection, trying to say more with less.

and after this process, the only surviving texts or stories are the ones i feel that are better than silence. it's a difficult competition against silence, because silence is a perfect language, the only language which says with no words. amy: can you share some of your -- >> yes, i brought some. amy: dates with us? >> no, not too much, just four or five only, because this is a problem i -- i like a lot. we have been -- i have been with you another years, times always -- i/o is felt that it was really a way open to get a real

democracy in a world which is not democratic at all. it is managed by 5, 6 countries big corporations and so-called international institutions, which are not at all international. the world bank is not worldly and international monetary fund and so on and the big corporations. so it's like war. most wars are military to's -- coups are done in the name of democracy against democracy. i was remembering these days, 1960 four. i was in brazil at that time. and then a military coup destroyed a democracy government -- democratic government

elected by people freely. andjoao goulart, the president, was condemned to exile. i was there and i remember once and again and once again, i got -- a graffiti us on the wall and the days of the military coup saying "no more intermediaries, lincoln gordon president [captioning made possible by democracy now!] lincoln gordon was the ambassador of the united states. and it was a perfect portrait about what was happening. so some of the text i've chosen and today i chose to read, have something to -- some connections with this sort of things. amy: this is eduardo galeano reading from "children of the days." >> march 9, the day mexico

invaded the united states. "on this early morning in 1916 poncho villa crossed the border with his horsemen, set fire to the city of columbus, killed several soldiers, nabbed a few horses and guns, and the following day was back in mexico to tell thethis lining incursion is the only invasion the united states has suffered since its wars to break free from england." there was an english invasion in 1812 i think, but it was not a real invasion, just a chapter of a long history of fighting for independence. but this one was real last one the pancho villa invasion.

so this was the only invasion. "in contrast, the united states has invaded practically every country in the world. since 1947, its department of war changed the name has been called to the department of defense, and it's were budget is now called the defense budget. the names are an enigma as comparable bowl with the holy trinity ." something about a defeat for civilization, terrible day. it's terrible, traumatic. and my advice for people with

problems, cardio logic and so on, because it is moving and very, very tragic. "in the year 2002, eight mcdonald's restaurants closed their doors in bolivia. barely five years had this civilizing mission lasted. no one forced mcdonald's out. bolivians simply turned their backs, or better put mcdonald's turned their stomachs. the most successful company on the planet had generously graced the country with its presence and these in grades refused to

of knowledge and noble gesture. i just taste for progress to a bolivia from embracing either junk food or the dizzying pace of contemporary life. homemade empanadas derailed development. bolivians, stubbornly attached to the ancient flavors of the family hearth, continue eating without haste and long, slow ceremonies. gone forever is the company -- forever gone, the company -- that everywhere else makes children happy fires workers who try to unionize and jacks up the rate of obesity. a couple of texts about terrorism.

july 1, one terrorist fewer. this is almost unknown here. for me, it was surprising because it's important -- really important what happened. "in the year 2008, the government of the united states decided to erase nelson mandela's name from its list of dangerous terrorists." nelson mandela was a dangerous terrorist terrorist dangerous for the national security of the united states during 60 years. "the most revered african in the world had featured on that sinister role for 60 years." so, i would like -- i would like to celebrate september 11 as a

day against terrorism. that's the name of the day, from these reasons -- september 11, a day against terrorism. and i would like to celebrate the day, you know, pasting posters against terrorism all around the world. posters saying -- wanted: for kidnapping countries. wanted: for strangling wages and slashing jobs. wanted: for raping the land poisoning the water, and stealing the air. wanted: for trafficking in fear." in the last one, homage to my idol, rosa luxemburg. she was a woman, and this was

their sin -- a sin, being a woman. so she's not very committed very, very well-known. but for me, in my information when i was very, very young, i understood -- i could understand for the first time, through the life and in the words of rosa luxemburg, was socialism could be -- was not, but could be. "in 1919, rosa luxemburg, the revolutionary, was murdered in berlin. her killers bludgeoned her with rifle blows and tossed her into the waters of a canal.

along the way, she lost a shoe. someone picked it up, that shoe dropped in the mud. rosa longed for a world where justice could not be sacrificed in the name of freedom, and freedom would not be sacrificed in the name of justice. every day, some hand picks up that banner. dropped in the mud like the shoe." amy: eduardo galeano on democracy now! in 2013. he died on monday at the age of 74 of lung cancer in his home city in uruguay. in may 2009, juan gonzalez and i spoke to eduardo galeano when he was in the united states following the publication of his book, "mirrors: stories of

almost everyone." it was a month after venezuelan president hugo chavez gave president obama a copy of his book "the open veins of latin america." juan: amy, for those who haven't read it, folks don't know maybe the impact that that book has had on generations of latin america in terms of shaping their view of what the troubles in their land. i want to read a section relating to venezuela from that walk that eduardo galeano wrote. he was talking about the oil of venezuela. he says, the profits melt from this wonderful cow in proportion to capital invested are only comparable with those obtained by old-time slave merchants in pirates. no country has yielded as much for world capitalism in such a short time. the well drained from venezuela according to -- exceeds what the spaniards took or the english

from india. some estimates put the real profits of venezuelan oil concerns at 38% in 1961 and 48% in 1962, but then goes on to describe in a poetic fashion the impact of that oil exploitation on the lake. the lake is a forest of towers within these iron structures the ends of the bobbing pumps have for half a century pumped up all the opulence and all the poverty of venezuela. alongside flames licked skyward burning the natural gas and a carefree gift to the atmosphere. there are pumps in houses and towns that sprouted up along the oil, towns were clothing, food, and walls are stained black with oil and were even whores are known by building them such as the pipeline, the derrick, the hoist.

here, clothing and food costs more than in caracas. these modern villages of cheerless birth, quickened by the for you of easy money, have discovered they have no future. when the wells die, survival become something of a miracle. skeletons of houses remain. oil and water's lick a bin and shores and poison the fish. mass firings and growing mechanisms bring misfortune to cities the government exploding still active wells. that was eduardo galeano describing what oil has brought to venezuela. amy: in "open veins of latin america," well, we're going to go back to 2009 when we talk to add water here in new york. i asked eduardo galeano about the title of his latest book "mayors: stories of almost everyone." >> at of know, so sullen and serious to say a universal history or something like this.

another historian. it was such -- it was really a crazy adventure trying to go beyond all the frontiers, all the boundaries, boundaries of maps and time. it comes from 600 short stories trying to rediscover the point of view from the invisibles trying to rediscover the terrestrial rainbow mutilated by racism and machismo and militarism and elitism and so many isms. that was the intention, at least, to speak about the nobodies from the nobody --

nobody's voices. juan: and why the short stories that you've increasingly gravitated to in recent decades? why that form to express these huge stories? >> i and fighting against inflation, not monetary inflation, but the inflation of words. so many words to say nothing. i'm trying to say -- to tell more with less. this is a challenge. and so each one of the stories i tell has been written and rewritten 10 times, 15 times, i don't know how many times, until i get the words that really deserve to exist, which are the words that i feel are better than silence. am one of the things we want you to do is just read some of these short stories. and you can't add any extra words.

but before we do when president chavez of venezuela handed president obama of the united states "open veins of latin america," your classic work, what were your thoughts? and how did you find out about it? you aren't at the summit of the americas, where you? >> i didn't know it. but i went to have my usual promenade with my dog morgan -- who's died recently. he died after that. one of our last promenades together. and i was surprised because my neighbor said, "congratulations, eduardo. you are selling so much. you're a best seller, and water -- eduardo." and it was horrified. bestseller? i don't want to be sold.

what's this? something terrible must happen. what's this congratulations you're so successful? i don't want to be successful. what's this, successful in the market? yes, you're the best-selling man in the world now. the world so proud. and it was terrible news for me. i don't want to be the first in the market. i just want to get in touch with people, writing. juan: has become the new opera now. you know, he did up her gnome chomsky and made known chomsky bestseller. now he's done it for you. >> no, it was generous action. and indeed, the book tends to be -- this honest 40, sort of a symbol. my style has changed a lot. now i write in different way but i'm not ripping of it, not

at all, not a single comma not a single period. and i think it may be a useful book, yes god understand how richness and poverty are intimately connected and also freedom and slavishly -- slavery are intimately connected. and so there are no richness really innocent of any poverty and there are no freedom that hasn't -- nothing to do to be was slavery. this was the intention of the book, trying to interlink histories that have been before told separately and in is codified language of historians or economist or sociologists. so i try to write it in such a way that could be read and enjoyed by anyone. and that is why it lost the casa

de las americas prize, because the jury considered it not serious. at that time, the left-wing intellectuals were sure that to be serious, you ought to be boring. and it was not boring, so it was not enough serious. of her words fortunately for me, the military dictatorships considered it was quite serious, and they burned it. and this was my best publicity and my best marketing -- juan: market tool. >> yes. amy: you have just recovered from cancer, lost half your lung. in this last minute, what gave you hope and strength to battle your own cancer? >> to write. i wrote "mirrors." it was an answer to this challenge. perhaps we are always challenged by death, by the server to test

servitude that we will die. it is our destiny. but also, the possibility of doing something. to go on believing that there is a possible way of stay alive in your [indiscernible] the people you love and were left by. amy: well, thank you for sharing this book and your recovery with us through "mirrors: stories of almost everyone." thank you for being in the studio with us. the great are going right or --uruguayan writer eduardo galeano speaking to us in 2009. e. at the age of 74 monday of lung cancer. you can visit our website for

our full archive with eduardo galeano including 2009 or we were in santa fe. we will also post online at 2006 conversation between eduardo galeano and aaron dotty roy here in new york -- arundhati roy here in new york city. we will be back in a moment. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: cries of black lives matter continued to ring out across the country after new police killings of unarmed african-americans. the funeral was held in north charleston south carolina saturday for walter scott, the black man who fled a traffic stop and was fatally shot in the back by police officer michael slager. video of the incident taken by a bystander forced the police to retract your initial defense of slager and see him charged with murder and fired from the force. this comes as oklahoma prosecutors have charged a sheriff's reserve deputy with second-degree manslaughter in

the fatal shooting of an unarmed african-american man in tulsa. robert bates, white, said he mistakenly used his handgun instead of a stun gun, killing the victim, eric harris. the incident was recorded by a police body camera. on the heels of these killings, activists have launched a nine day march from new york city to washington, d.c. to call for sweeping criminal justice reform. the 250 mile march to justice seeks an end to racial profiling and militarized policing as well as "societal institutional pillars of mass incarceration." amy: videos also lead to suspensions of 10 sheriff deputies and california. a news helicopter filmed the deputies kicking and punching the man as he laid facedown down in the desert after a chase. the fbi is investigating whether his civil rights were violated. a video proves decisive and holding police accountable on the black lives movement

response to more debt. we're joined by muhiyidin d'baha , an organizer of black lives matter and charleston. in washington, d.c., jay stanley , senior policy analyst with the aclu speech privacy and technology project. he authored, "know your rights," for the aclu, and its companion piece, "you have every right to photograph that cop." i want to start with you, jay. what about the rights? walter scott's brother anthony scott said he went back to the scene after walter scott was killed by police officer michael slager. he was taking photographs come and the police confiscated his camera. the young man santana, who filmed this whole thing, is remarkable. but what are people's right? when do they get arrested? do they have to give up their cameras? >> the courts have been crystal clear on this matter.

you have a right under the first amendment of the constitution to take photographs or video of anything in public when you are in public. there have been attempts in some states to pass laws curbing this right. they have been struck down by the courts and the supreme court has refused to review them. so there's no ambiguity about the law. the only problem is, a lot of police officers continue to think that they can go up to you and say, you need to turn at camera off, ma'am. that is not a lawful order or a constitutional order. it it is one that continues to happen all too often. and they certainly don't have the right to look at your camera or sees your phone without a warrant. and they never ever, under any circumstances we can imagine have the right to destroy or a race your video or photographs.

juan: muhiyidin d'baha, what is the situation like in your area following the funeral for walter scott this weekend? >> the situation is getting tense. it is a discerned tatian on the parts of the people -- disorientation on the parts of the people and a reluctance by the government to be responsible to the demand charleston in particular, and our request for a citizen's. we would also like to push that for subpoena power. at the same time, we're trying to shift of the perspective as we are the children of the day of technology, and we have the perspectives to change culture by using our phones right now. amy: muhiyidin d'baha, can you talk about what is happening right now? did you have an informal meeting with the mayor this week? >> that meeting is supposed to be coming up in the next two or three days. we're supposed to be presenting our demand at the city council

on thursday. our list of demands, in particular -- amy: just one second. the video stream is frozen. we're talking to muhiyidin d'baha, an organizer of black lives matter in charleston. continue. >> so we would like to point a special prosecutor anytime there is a case like this with police force. we would like immediate removal of north trust and police chief who wanted to give amnesty on all nonviolent offenses and bench once, but most important, we want to make sure this doesn't happen again. the only way to do that is to actually have a civilian review board, something that has teeth to start pulling officers out of our community right now that are abusing and harassing. the perspective has shift, the invisible perspective that we have, always embodied because we weren't able to access the speculation machine that is the

media, we don't need to rely upon that now. we have our own cameras. we can actually now create the narrative that is the true narrative, the truth of what is going on with harassment and traffic stops that are profiling and using hyper aggression. at this isn't enough. we're seeing this all around the nation. it is not enough to have a video of it will stop brother santana announced his presence, maybe that would have changed. not just the video. you're asking everybody who is being a vigilante right now starting to seville of police -- surveilling the police, were we follow police around. we just say, "we are watching you." we announce our presence. that is probably the most transformative thing we can do right now. we're pushing policy and the mayor and the grassroots and the people to protect each other with these cameras. juan: i want to ask you, in terms you mention the harassment, the traffic stops. how extensive in your experience is this problem of ordinary

day-to-day traffic stops and stops by police in terms of laying the base for these kinds of incidents? >> most definitely. the implicit bias the police have against people of color is indicative. you can see it in any records any foia request that you look at traffic stops, the mass incarceration's. it is a quality of life issue were individuals are going up with this have this does with his skintight have this fear of interaction with the police. i think that is more telling than any data in any more numbers than the story does we have multiple stories millions of stories around the nation of harassment. we're living under a terrorist state -- a police terrorist state, and we need a way to fight back and protect ourselves. amy: the state did a look at the last five years in south carolina up holy shootings. -- a person about every 10 days

shot by police in south carolina. what are you doing about this? >> we're going to have a 46 county tour around south carolina. right now we are getting our organization together. we have a lot of help coming in from out of town. we have people from ferguson coming through, people from new york, coming down was. project "we are watching you" is the campaign that will allow us to shift police culture. we're taking our cameras following police around saying "we are watching you," which is the most transformative dynamic we can instill right now into what is going on. amy: muhiyidin d'baha, thank you for being with us organizer with , black lives matter charleston. and thank you to jay stanley with the american civil liberties union "know your rights," and his companion piece "you have every right to , photograph that cop." [captioning made possible by democracy now!]

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