10/29/15 amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> we are on a verge perhaps of picking someone who cannot do this job. i have watched to see people say that we should dismantle medicare or medicaid and leave our senior citizens out in the cold. i have heard them talk about deporting 10 or 11 people here from this country, out of this country, splitting families. i've heard about tax schemes that don't add up. amy: republican presidential candidates square off for a third debate attacking each , other, the media and their , democratic challengers. >> let me be clear, the men and

women on the stage have more ideas, more commonsense than every participant the democratic debate. that debate reflected a debate between -- amy: we will air highlights from the debate and speak to four guests -- pulitzer prize winning journalist david cay johnson, the nation's john nichols, new republic editor jamil smith and imani gandy of rh reality check. and we will look at wisconsin republican congressman paul ryan who is set to become the 62nd speaker of the house today. all of that and more coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. republican presidential candidates faced off at their third debate wednesday night in boulder, colorado. this is the first debate since retired neurosurgeon ben carson pulled ahead of business mogul donald trump in the polls.

the pair's front-runner status prompted ohio governor john kasich to warn that republicans are on the verge of picking a nominee who "cannot do this job." we'll have more on the debate after headlines with john nichols, jamil smith, john nichols, and david cay johnson. wisconsin republican congressman paul ryan is set to become the 62nd speaker of the house today. ryan replaces ohio congressman john boehner, who stepped down last month after a lengthy dispute with far-right members of his own party. ryan spoke after the republican caucus backed his nomination. >> we believe the country is on the wrong track. we think the country is headed in the wrong direction. and we have an obligation here in the people's house to do the people's business to give this country a better way forward, to give this country and alternative. we're going to respect the people by representing the people. amy: we'll have more on ryan

later in the broadcast with nation magazine political writer john nichols. in columbia, south carolina, the white sheriff's deputy who was caught on camera slamming an african-american high school student to the ground in her classroom has been fired. ben fields was operating as a school resource officer at spring valley high school. viral video shows him grabbing the student around her neck, flipping both her and her desk to the ground and then dragging , her across the floor. the student was arrested. another student who filmed the assault was also arrested and held on a bail. $1000 the incident reportedly began when the student refused to give her teacher her phone, which then prompted the teacher to call for outside help. soon deputy sheriff fields came into the classroom to remove her. classmates say fields had a reputation as being aggressive with students, who had nicknamed him "officer slam." richland county sheriff leon lott announced fields' termination wednesday. >> when i first saw that video

and it continues to upset me when i see the video, is the fact he picks the student up and threw the student across the room. that is not a proper technique and should not be used in law enforcement. and based on that, that is a violation of our policy. and a proximally 20 minutes ago, school reforms officer -- school resource officer ben fields was terminated. amy: officer fields still does not face any criminal charges, though he is facing an fbi investigation. the incident is the latest in a series of cases of police officers in schools using excessive force against students. in a recent exposé, mother jones documented many cases involving officers punching, tasing and even fatally shooting students. to see all of our coverage of the issue nationwide, go to democracynow.org. sought --ldiers have shot dead a palestinian man who allegedly stabbed a soldier in hebron. the soldier was lightly wounded. this comes one day after israeli soldiers shot dead another palestinian who allegedly attempted to stab them in hebron.

on tuesday, israeli forces shot dead another three palestinians, who were accused of attempted stabbings. at least 63 palestinians and 11 israelis have been killed this month. a new report by amnesty international says israeli forces have carried out a series of unlawful killings of palestinians by using lethal force without justification. in brazil, housing activists are accusing the rio de janeiro city government of using the 2016 olympics as a pretext to forcibly displace tens of thousands of residents and further segregate the city. government data shows more than 22,000 families have been resettled since 2009 to make way for infrastructure projects related to the games. the evictions have led to violent crackdowns by local police, particularly in the favelas. resident ocimar da silva miranda, who said he was hit by a rubber bullet shot during a protest earlier this summer, said -- "we have the right to live here, but they want to take it by force. the mayor is using our lives, our homes, as a way to pay back the loans from the big

construction companies that financed his campaign." in japan, police have dragged away about a hundred elderly protesters blocking construction of a proposed new u.s. military base in okinawa on thursday, as the central government resumed building despite the lack of permits. the governor of okinawa revoked the construction permit at the site earlier this month, citing legal flaws. but tokyo's transport ministry overruled. the majority of okinawa's residents oppose the new base. okinawa houses about 26,000 u.s. troops. there presence has come under protest for decades. china has ended its one-child policy, permitting all families to have two children for the first time in decades. the one-child policy was implemented in the 1970's amid china's booming population. the new shift now comes amid an aging population and shrinking

of those at working age. jailed saudi blogger raif badawi has been awarded the european parliament's sakharov human rights prize. badawi was arrested in 2012 after setting up a website for political and social debate. he was sentenced in january to 1000 lashes and 10 years in prison. european parliament president martin schulz urged saudi king salman "to free him, so he can accept the prize." new details have emerged about the 2011 raid that killed osama bin laden. the "new york times" reported that four obama administration lawyers worked in secret for weeks ahead of the raid in order to devise a legal justification for it. according to the "times," the four lawyers were cia's general counsel stephen preston, national security council's legal adviser mary derosa, joint chiefs of staff legal adviser james crawford, and homeland security secretary jeh johnson, who was at the time the pentagon's general counsel. the framework they created reportedly a loud the obama administration to send u.s. ground forces into pakistan

without the country's consent, to explicitly authorize a lethal mission, to delay telling congress until the raid was completed, and to bury a wartime enemy at sea. stephen preston, the cia's general counsel, reportedly said in the days leading up to the raid -- "we should memorialize our rationales because we may be called upon to explain our legal conclusions, particularly if the operation goes terribly badly." investigative reporter seymour -- seymour hersh has raised significant questions about the obama administration's account of the raid, instead reporting top pakistani military leaders knew about the operation and provided key assistance. financial giant goldman sachs has been fined $50 million after an employee stole secret information from the federal reserve bank of new york in a case that highlights the revolving door between the government and wall street. rohit bansal had formerly worked

for the new york federal reserve for seven years. when he was hired by goldman in 2014, he was told by the fed's ethics board he could not help advise a client that he had been overseeing while at the fed. although goldman knew about this restriction, the company assigned him to this case anyway. he then "schemed to steal confidential regulatory and government documents" to help advise the client, according to regulators. the revolving door between regulatory agencies and the banking industry is a particular problem at goldman sachs. the current head of the new york fed, william dudley, is a former goldman executive. u.s. military officials scrambled wednesday to capture a billion-dollar unmanned surveillance blimp that broke free of its moorings in maryland and drifted across pennsylvania, downing power lines and knocking out electricity for tens of thousands of residents. the blimp has the capacity to surveil a region the size of texas. built by military contractor raytheon, there are only two of these blimps in the world.

each effectively costs $1.4 billion. the u.s. military has another surveillance blimp of a different model that floats over kabul at all times. an african american u.s. citizen has applied for asylum in canada, saying he fears he will be killed by police in the united states because he is black. 30-year-old kyle lydell canty argued at his immigration hearing in vancouver that black people are "being exterminated at an alarming rate." he cited the deaths of michael brown and eric garner as evidence. he also said that he's lived in six u.s. states throughout his life, and that in every one, he has been harassed by police. >> i came to canada to seek asylum because the united states of america is corrupt. killing black people. it is documented. the united nations has condemned america for the racial .isparity, for police brutality

honestly, i kept on getting harassed by cops for no reason, false charges, false arrest. all black people in america are going through the same thing. amy: and in alberta, canada, oil giant shell has abandoned its plans for a massive tar sands mine, citing concerns that there aren't enough pipelines to transport the crude oil. thiseserllols canceled its plans to drill in the arctic. the construction of major pipelines such as enbridge's northern gateway pipeline and transcanada's energy east pipeline that would have helped move alberta tar sands have been delayed by massive resistance, especially by first nations. in ontario, anishinaabe women proposed pipeline in 2014.da's >> you guys are not welcome on the territories. that is coming from the women. >> you're not welcome here. >> listen, if we're not going to

be able to present information -- >> your information lies. >> ok. >> your information lies. you are raping mother earth. we are talking about our grandchildren and future generations. what are you going to tell your grandchildren? and what are your grandchildren going to tell their children when there is no water? amy: today, shell reported a loss of $7.4 billion for the third quarter of this year. that's compared with a profit of $4.5 billion in the same quarter a year earlier. shell's losses are caused by declining revenue from low oil prices and the company having wasted billions on the now-canceled tar sands and arctic projects. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. nermeen: welcome to our listeners and viewers around the country and around the world. the third republican

presidential debate was held wednesday night in boulder, colorado. with the campaign at roughly the halfway point between its opening summer debate and the iowa caucus next year, it was the first debate with business mogul donald trump no longer leading the polls. retired neurosurgeon ben carson has surpassed trump in recent days, though the two are still way ahead in the crowded republican field. the surge of these two relative outsiders has thrown the republican party into turmoil, with the more established political candidates scrambling to gain ground as party leaders grapple with trump and carson's outlandish views and the potential one of them might end up the nominee. in his early remarks, former ohio governor john kasich voiced exasperation at the current state of the republican primary. >> this stuff is fantasy, just like getting rid of medicare and medicaid. come on. that is just not -- you don't scare senior citizens with that, it's not responsible.

>> you said yesterday that you are hearing proposals that were just crazy from your colleagues. who are we talking about? >> right here, to talk about we're just going to have a 10% tithe and that is how we're going to fund the government? or that we're just going to be great or we're going to shift 10 million americans were generally people out of this country, leaving their children here in this country and dividing families? folks, we have to wake up. we cannot elect somebody that doesn't know how to do the job. amy: ohio governor john kasich. he was speaking right after trump and carson were questioned about their campaigns and some of their proposals. >> mr. trump, you have done very well in this campaign so far by promising to build a wall and make another country pay for it, send 11 milley people out of the country, cut taxes 10 joy in dollars without increasing the deficit and make immigrants better off because your

greatness would replace the stupidity and a confidence of others. >> that's right. >> is this a comic book version? >> that is not a very nicely asked question the way you say that. larry kudlow is an example, who i have a lot of respect for, who loves my tax plan where reducing taxes to 15% would bring in corporate taxes down, bringing money back in, corporate inversions. we have over to julian dollars outside of the united states we want to bring back in. as far as the wall, we're going to create a border, let people in, but they're going to come in legally. they're one to come in legally. and it is something that can be done and i get questioned about that. they built the great wall of china. that is 13,000 miles. here we actually need 1000 because we have natural barriers . so we need 1000. we can do a wall. a big fat beautiful door in the middle of the wall. we will have people come in, but they are coming in legally. and mexico is going to pay for the wall because -- i love the

mexican people, i respect the mexican leaders, but the leaders are much sharper, smarter, and more cunning than our leaders. >> dr. carson, let's talk about taxes. you have a flat tax plan of does that is very appealing to a lot of voters, but of a tough time trying to make the math work. if you were to take a 10% tax with the numbers right now in total personal income, bringing in over $1 trillion. that is less than half of what we build -- bring in right now and by the way, it is going to leave us in the $2 trillion hole. lylysilygot you to the point this would work? >> first of all, i did not say the rate would be 10%. i used the tithing analogy. >> i understand that, but if you look at the numbers -- quick the rate is going to be much closer to 15%. you also have to get rid of all of the deductions and all the loopholes. you also have to do some

strategic cutting in several places. remember, we have 645 federal agencies and subagencies. anybody who tells me that we need every penny and every one of those is in a fantasy world. can stimulate the economy. that is going to be the real growth engine. stimulating the economy -- because it's tethered down right cut >> you would have to government by about 40% to make it work with the $1.1 trillion hole. what's it is not true. >> it is true. the facts put all of downt very well. nermeen: ben carson and donald trump. republican debate also saw new fissures between rival candidates struggling to catch up with carson and trump, including third and four place -- fourth place contenders marco rubio and jeb bush. several candidates also took shots at democratic frontrunner hillary clinton and the news media.

days after her testimony on benghazi, marco rubio called clinton a liar and said the media acts as her superpac. thehe democrats have ultimate superpac, called the mainstream media. the me tell you why. last to you were clinton went before committee. she admitted she sent e-mails to her family saying, hey, this attack at benghazi was caused by sayingshe spent months was because of a video. the mainstream media is saying it was the greatest week in hillary clinton's campaign. it was the week she got exposed as a liar. in her closing remarks, former amy: hewlett packard ceo carly fiorina called herself, "hillary clinton's worst nightmare." >> i may not be your dream candidate just yet, but i can a sure you i am hillary clinton's worst nightmare. and in your heart of hearts, you cannot wait to see a debate between hillary clinton and carly fiorina.

i will tie you this, i will beat hillary clinton. and with your vote and your support and your prayers, i will lead with the citizens of this great nation the resurgence of this great nation. amy: for more on the republican debate, we host a roundtable with four guests. in washington imani gandy is , senior legal analyst at rh reality check and co-host of the podcast, "this week in blackness prime." her most recent piece at rh reality check is headlined, "ben carson is saying stupid things about abortion -- again." john nichols is a political writer for the nation. his latest piece is headlined, "a gop debate without a winner -- or much of a point." jamil smith is a senior editor at the new republic. he is also the host of, "intersection," a podcast about race, gender, and identity. his most recent piece at the new republic is headlined, "ben carson is saying all the right things." and david cay johnston also joins us in our studio pulitzer , prize-winning investigative reporter previously with the "new york times." he's currently a columnist for

al jazeera america as well as a contributing writer at newsweek. he has covered donald trump at various publications for decades. jamil smith, your assessment of the third republican presidential debate held in boulder, colorado, the first time the debate was held when ben carson, the neurosurgeon, is ahead in national polls of the republican contenders. >> indeed. i thought it was interesting he wasn't actually the focus of the debate, given that he searched to the lead in a national poll does this week. and certainly far out ahead of donald trump in iowa. that said, i think it speaks to the fragility of success and the iowa caucuses for republicans. i mean, the last two winners were rick santorum and mike huckabee, and other from sniffed the nominations. was ae saw last night candidate who frankly honest admitted he is not really up to running for president.

he doesn't really see himself as president. frankly, he just gave a bunch of a nurse -- answers that were not very substantive, dodged the issue, specifically on the tax point actually were untruthful. when people call republicans, including carson, on those policies, they're not unfair questions, there simply substantive questions. nermeen: david cay johnston, you have covered trump for decades. how would you evaluate his performance last night? >> donald was very subdued. he is a real problem, what is he going to do if you slowly fades? presumably, he'll end up with a tv contract, but he has to find a way to exit. but he did say something astonishing. he talked about the wall in china being 13,000 miles -- that is halfway around the planet. and he continues this assertion that mexico's going to happily pay for this wall he wants to build -- which of course, will do nothing to stop immigration which is currently flowing in

the other direction. amy: he said the while on the mexico border would be 1000, as impaired -- as compared to 13,000 in the wall of china, which is likely 1300. imani gandy, your overall reaction to last night's debate? >> i was disturbed that there were no questions about either reproductive rights and women andth, about fair pay, particularly, about black lives matter. it seems to me this current environment with the attacks on planned parenthood and the ongoing uprising, think you could say, a black people in this country demanding their lives matter, i think it is pretty shocking that those questions were not addressed at the debate last night. amy: although, planned parenthood was megyn come all but far less than previous debates. john nichols, your overall assessment? >> i think it was a pretty bizarre debate. i've covered hundreds of

debates, even moderated a few at lower levels on the political food chain, and i was struck by -- i thought the moderators confused interview questions and debate questions. and some of the candidates were getting very precise questions about their political experience or their personal experience about companies that they are pitchman for. other candidates were getting broad sweep questions. i think it made the debate a little incoherent. what that resulted in was the situation where people took away kind of soundbites or applause lines. and by that standard, marco rubio did very well because every time he was hit with a legitimate question, he went -- usually -- attacked the media applause line. that was very effective in the room. it as you know, most people don't watch the entire debate. most people see the soundbites and the clips the next day. and i was a just that clip you

played from john kasich criticizing the rest of the field may be the takeaway clip, not just for the broad mass of americans, but for a good number of republicans. to take a break and then come back to this discussion and get into the details of what these candidates are pushing or not. we're joined by john nichols of the nation and imani gandy of rh reality check, david cay johnston of al jazeera america and newsweek, and as well jamil smith at the new republic. back in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. today to analyze the third republican presidential debate that took place in boulder, colorado is john nichols of the nation, jamil smith of the new republic, david cay johnston about to zero and newsweek, pulitzer prize winning journalist, and imani gandy of rh reality check joining us from washington, d.c. during wednesday's republican debate, hosted by his, ben carson defended flat tax proposal saying it would not shortchange government coffers. >> let me just say, if you're talking about $18 trillion economy, talking about 15% tax on your gross domestic product, you are talking about 2.7 trillion. we have a budget closer to $3.5 trillion. but if you also apply that same to several other things,

including corporate taxes and including the capital gains taxes, you make that amount up pretty quickly. so that is not by any stretch pie-in-the-sky. nermeen: that was ben carson speaking last night at the presidential debate. jamil smith, could you respond to what he said about his tax plan and also about his rather confusing health care plan? >> as far as his tax plan goes, i feel like he doesn't account for the fluctuations of the market, certainly, he is depending upon the success of the overall populace to make up for any deficiencies that his numbers create in the budget. when he was called upon it, he simply refused to acknowledge that exactly true, that 40% -- 40% of the funding for the government is going to have to be made up if his tax plan was

and limited. what you have as a tax plan based upon, as you said, the model of tithing and churches. and i just don't understand how that is necessar -- mrs. silly applicable. under his philosophy of, i'm going to be the head of a system that is based upon making sure that people are able to succeed and whoever succeeds they deserve it. and when you're ben carson and you are a world-famous neurosurgeon, light has worked out for you. so you can have that point of view. it is not quite so easy when you're talking about people on the ground. aaron: what about his health care plan, slashing funding for medicare and everyone having their own individual health savings plan? not toas proposed -- slash, but and medicare and medicaid in favor of creating health savings accounts that are funded by the government to the tune of $2000 per year. now, that is a politically suicidal idea to say nothing of

financially ludicrous. first of all, he is not accounted for growth and population, not accounting for growth and health care costs, certainly, and when he was asked about the growth in health-care costs last night in a substantive question from jim cramer, he deflected a naturally said the government should be less involved with regulating the extraordinarily high spikes in drugs, and specialty drugs. everything i heard from him with regards to health plans and with regards to pricing was very discouraging. amy: you have profile ben carson. tell us who he is. >> ben carson is a man who has been hero, specifically to black americans. i remember in my church growing up, we had copies of "gifted hands" handed out to most of us. it is something that everybody read. a man who is lionized. that said, it is tailor-made for

the republican view of race in this country. it is a man who perceived to have grown out of poverty and matrixes class of himself -- made a success of himself, espoused christian values. amy: explain his accomplishments, "gifted hands." >> is the title of his 1990 book , a classic, widely read, his life story. it tells how he came up from the the -- of detroit to be one of the foremost neurosurgeons in the world. that said, i think what he is doing is completely damaging his legacy right now. right now, i mean, especially the younger folks that have not read "gifted hands" and don't know that man, they know him now as incompetent presidential candidate. amy: on his tax plan, david cay johnston, yet analyzed many tax plans. >> it won't work at all. it is in the same league as donald trump's plans, just fantasies for voters. significantly for carson,

tithing is not a civil to present concept. i actually teach this in the law school graduate business glass syracuse. it is a very complex issue with all sorts of roles and the poor beneficiaries of the tithing system in the ancient world, not payers into that system. amy: one issue not raised at last ice debate was abortion. issue has been a major for the republicans and democrats. on sunday on "meet the press," dr. carson said abortion should be illegal in all cases, including rape and in says. he responded to a question from chuck todd. >> what if someone has an unwanted pregnancy, should have a right to terminate it? >> no. think about this. during slavery, and i know that is one of those words you're not supposed to say, but i'm saying it, during slavery, a lot of the slaveowners thought that they had the right to do whatever they wanted to that slave. anything that they chose to do.

abolitionists had said, you know, i don't believe in slavery, i think it is wrong, but you guys do whatever you want to do. where would we be? a that is ben carson on sunday. imani gandy, can you respond? aside ink -- setting think it is fundamentally creepy and weird to compare slaves, black americans to fetuses, setting that aside, i think when he talks about abolitionists saying, well, i'm against slavery, but you can do whatever you want -- that is sort of the position he held himself in the 1990's when he was a practicing neurosurgeon. he would routinely refer women to abortion providers should they need one, whether it be because the pregnancy was unwanted or specifically he spoke about referring woman whose fetuses had genetic

anomalies to abortions. i have reported on a lot of abortion providers come a lot of anti-choice abortion providers, and it is hard to reconcile his current staunch "pro-life stance" with his prior, the behavior with respect to acknowledging that women deserve to have a choice and should make .hat choice with their doctors and i see advocating for a dorsch and, not by performing them himself, necessarily, but by referring women to other providers. i think there's a phenomenal hypocrisy and a disconnect between his current position and his proposition. 1992, ben go back to carson, then a renowned neurosurgeon at johns hopkins hospital of hearing in an ad urging marylanders to vote against question six, a ballot initiative to preserve the right to choose in the state should roe be wade get struck down. here's a clip from that ad. >> life is hectic and sometimes

it is easy to let important decisions be made for his. question six bank could be like that. amy: dr. carson found himself in the center of a political firestorm and reversed course. asked the commercial to be cold and held a news conference organized by maryland for choice. >> my message is not to vote for against question six but to educate yourself. i did not understand the tagline vote against question six would be included in the ad. i don't believe it is figureiate for a public of my nature to try to tell people how they should vote. subsequent to doing that ad i have an opportunity to do a quite a bit of background research and it became quite apparent that there were things that could easily be misconstrued.

amy: sang dr. carson appeared to have bowed to political pressure. >> he met said that today, but when he agreed to do the spot, he signed off word approval to encourage people to vote against question 6 and i think he is gone tremendous pressure from the other side. -- awfully andht legitimately explain how he feels about the issue. specterecond amy: that was 23 years ago. what does that tell you about today's dr. ben carson? >> that he doesn't really have a solid position on abortion. i think he has been driven to say more extreme things about abortion, to devolve in extreme is rhetoric about abortion because he is a republican presidential nominee. i also think that given there is a lot of question in the

antitrust community about donald trump's commitment to life "life" and i think that sort of opens up a -- there's an opening for ben carson to attack to the right of donald trump on abortion and to appear to be far more interesting than i actually believe that he is. even as recently as august, his communications director douglas wants said that in carson believed that you should not legislate morality. he believed abortion is going to have to be one in the hearts and minds of americans and he believes that women should be able to make a choice based on the medical evidence and he believes patients should a medical evidence. that doesn't jive with his current, i think, roe v wade should be overturned, running abortion in all instances including interest and right. i think is going have a problem with the anti-choice committed to should it come down to him and trump or him and rubio for example, who has been very

staunchly anti-choice, including in instances of rape and it's us. i think it shows he hasn't quite solidified his position and i think he is one of the attack based on that. nermeen:j, how it ask about other status of ben carson has made. he said the affordable care act, for example, is the worst things in slavery, which is a rather odd claim for a doctor to make. and after the mass shooting in oregon community college recently, he said the holocaust would have been -- would have been as likely if jewish people have had firearms to fight back. so what do you think, given the statements which seem at l l l t bizarre, little bit, what accounts for his rising popularity? wrote, i field in carson is saying all the right things for the right. the's point in what is coming out of his mouth is for the electorate will stop

i think this is more -- speaks more to who is voting for rupert and's rather than the republicans themselves. i feel like what carson is saying is extremist stuff that gets headlines. i mean, should be a carson's law to godwin's law, don't invoke hitler, don't invoke slavery come either, unless directly talking about slavery. i feel like when you also talk about his position on guns and his reference to the holocaust, that is historically inaccurate. these are the kinds of things that eventually he will be caught on. and i think will matter should he magically, mystically become the nominee. amy: we haven't really talked about jeb bush. in this debatee than any other candidate. that might go to how much time he was actually given and how much time he took as well. the reports are his campaign manager was a slamming on the cnbc door, demanding that he

begin more time as the debate was going on. the debate did see a heated moment between the third and fourth place contenders, marco mentor jeb bush the former governor of florida. the two sparred over criticism that rubio is more focused on the presidential race than he is on doing his current job as elected senator from florida. >> when the sun sentinel says rubio should resign, not rip us off, when they say floridians sent you to washington to do a job, when they say you act like you your job, do you? >> i read that editorial today with great amusement. it is evidence of the bias that is in the american media. >> do you hate your job? >> let me answer your question. ran for bob graham president, missing over 30% of his votes. i don't recall them calling for his resignation. later that year in 2004, john

kerry missed close to 60% to 70% of his votes. i don't we care -- the sun sentinel endorsed him. in 2008, barack obama missed 60% to 70% of the same newspaper endorsed him again. this is the example of the double standard that exists between the main stream and a conservative -- can i bring something up? i'm a constituent of the senator and i helped him and i expected that he would do constituent service, which means he shows up to work. he got endorsed by the sun sentinel because he was the most talented guy in the field. he's a gifted politician. marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term and you should be showing up to work. literally, the senate, what is it, like a french work week and you get three days we have to show up yet go you can campaign, or just resign and let someone else take the job. there are a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck in florida, looking for a senator who will fight for them each and every day. >> i get to respond, right?

over the last few weeks i've listened to jeb as he walked around the country and said you're modeling your campaign after john mccain, that you're going to launch a furious comeback the way he did by fighting hard in new hampshire and places like that, caring euro back at the airport. you know many votes john mccain missed when he was carrying out that series come back that you're modeling after? >> he wasn't my senator. what i don't recall you complaining aboutohn mccain's vote record. the reason you're doing it now is because were running for the same position and someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you. my campaign is going to be about the future of america, not attacking anyone else on this stage. i'll continue to have tremendous admiration and respect for governor bush. i'm not running against governor bush, i'm not running against anyone on this stage. i'm running for president because there is no way we can elect hillary clinton to continue the policies of barack obama. and ago that is marco rubio, florida senator, and speak into his mentor, i mean, he was the protége of jeb bush. now questions are being raised, is jeb bush going to drop out.

john nichols, can you talk about what is going on here? >> jeb bush came into this debate in very, very start position. he had cut his staff pay. yet altered his campaign schedule to go to early states. essentially, those are the steps you take right before you make that difficult announcement that someone like scott walker has a ready-made saying that you're going to suspend your campaign. what bush needed in this debate was to deliver a stellar performance, to be a head of the curve at every turn, to jump into questions. and certainly, to own those exchanges like the one you just saw. in fact, he did not do it. there was a quote the other they were he said he has better things to do if it doesn't work out as a presidential candidate, he's got other stuff to do. in many senses, look like yet already made that choice. that exchange with rubio should

not have gone to rubio. just cannedouting lines, clearly rehearsed. and the fact of the matter is, after rubio came back at bush -- bush should have come back at him and said, look, you are asked the tough question about your attendance observing the people and you answered by attacking the media and now by attacking me. is, rubiof the matter do that throughout the debate. you faced tough questions on his personal finances, tough questions on absenteeism. again and again, rubio avoided the questions with canned applause lines. bush should have called them out. the challenge for bush in this debate is a much deeper one. and that is that a number of candidates came into this debate looking to finish jeb bush off. that was clearly true of governor kasich. that was clearly true of arco rubio. i would suggest it was also true

of ted cruz. the fact of the matter is, the combination of hits on jeb bush is inept responses to them made this an absolutely disastrous debate for him. i think he is going of a very hard time going out. amy: good this overall, not just last night, referendum on his brother george w. bush? >> well, and that is were donald trump comes in. i think we're all talking about carson today and i think that is very appropriate. thejoyed and respect analysis, but i would be cautious about ruling trump out. in a couple of situations were looked like he might be losing his momentum, and he turned his fire on another candidate. he clearly did that on scott walker and it was devastating. in the last few weeks, trump has ben carson.used on he has been very focused on jeb bush come on finishing bush off. because bush is still the relatively well-funded

establishment candidate. and a big part of that assault has involved george w. bush is that it has been an assault specifically on george w. bush's handling of 9/11, his handling of the iraq war, a host of issues, which historically, the left tended to say, hey, why aren't these issues coming up? why are we talking about bush past mistakes, missteps? in fact, donald trump did it. i think the suggestion of your question, amy, i think donald trump has very possibly finished off jeb bush by wrapping george w. bush around it. amy: we're going to get a break and come back to this discussion. our guests are john nichols of the nation, jamil smith of the new republic, david cay johnston and imani gandy. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. night talking about last third republican debate in boulder, colorado. let's turn to cnbc becky quick questioning donald trump last night. >> let's down the issue of immigration. you have been very critical of mark zuckerberg of facebook who has wanted to increase the number of -- >> i was not at all critical of him. frankly, he is complaining about the fact we're losing some of the most talented people. they go to harvard. they go to yell. they go to princeton. they come from another country and immediately sent out. i am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in silicon valley. so i have nothing at all critical of him lost up >> where did i read this and come up with this -- >> probably, i don't know -- you people write the stuff.

i don't know where you. abouttalked little bit marco rubio. i think you called him mark zuckerberg's personal senator because he was in favor of -- did i say that? i never said that. that is another gentleman in florida who happens to be a nice guy. >> my apologies. i would to go back to an issue we were talking about the visas. i found where i read that before it was from the website that says that, again, mark zuckerberg's personal senator b -- rubio has will be h1 >> yet the questioning of donald trump is said he never said marco rubio was the personal senator mark zuckerberg. of course, it was on his website and was reported widely in every newspaper.

donald creates his own reality. whatever he says at the moment is to donald the truth. and he believes his own stuff. carson's problem. there's not objective reality out there. carson doesn't seem to understand it took an enormous army of multiple countries to to be the nazis. you think the group a persecuted people with small weapons are going to stop the nazis. but this is very typical of donald. his views are highly flexible depending on what he sees as his momentary negotiating advantage. >> let's go to something else that is developing and we will come back to this discussion, but it is all within the republican party, and that is paul ryan. paul ryan is about to be named the house speaker and this is after a tremendous amount of controversy. he is set to become the house speaker after winning his party's backing will stop the republican caucus voted to nominate ryan wednesday with a vote of 200 to 43. ryan replaces john boehner, who

announced his resignation last month after a lengthy dispute with far-right members of his own party. the tea party "freedom caucus" had threatened to hold a no-confidence vote amid disagreements with boehner over negotiating with democrats and how to use the republicans' house majority. boehner was pressured to take a more confrontational approach with the white house and congressional democrats over issues including government spending, immigration reform, obamacare, and abortion. speaking after wednesday's vote, wisconsin congressmember ryan vowed to turn a new page. >> this begins a new day in the house of representatives. john boehner served with humility and distinction, and we owe him a debt of gratitude. but tomorrow, we are turning a page. we're not going to have a house that looked like it's looked the last two years. we're going to move forward. we're going to unify. our party has lost its vision,

and we're going to replace it with a vision. we believe that the country is on the wrong track. is headedhe country in the wrong direction, and we have an obligation here in the people's house to do the people's business to give this country a better way forward, to give this country and alternative. we're going to respect the people by representing the people. amy: despite promising a new chapter, ryan stands to benefit from boehner's final bipartisan compromise. on wednesday, the house approved a bipartisan budget deal that would raise the nation's debt ceiling. if given final approval, the measure would avoid a federal default and reduce the threat of a government shutdown by the end of the year. a majority of republicans opposed it, but boehner gathered the votes of 79 republicans to help democrats push it through. after initially opposing the budget agreement, ryan was among the minority in his party to vote in favor. by avoiding a default, its passage likely spares ryan a major crisis in his first weeks

on the job. nermeen: ryan's ascent to the speakership caps a process that began with him saying he didn't want the post. but he came under intense pressure from within the party after the initial frontrunner, kevin mccarthy, appeared to confirm republicans pushed a benghazi investigation to hurt the political chances of hillary clinton. ryan agreed to run this month after outlining a series of demands, including the support of all republican factions and assurances he won't lose time with his family. critics have noted ryan's record of opposing policies that help low-income parents spend more time with their children, including paid parental leave. in his stints as chair of the ways and means committee and the budget committee, ryan has been known for crafting sweeping budget proposals that target public spending, cut taxes for the wealthy, and impose deep budget cuts. he has been on the forefront of efforts to dismantle social security by putting seniors' savings into risky wall street investments. over the years, ryan has not

only pushed for privatizing social security, but also dismantling medicare and slashing funding for medicaid. he was the vice-presidential nominee on mitt romney's failed presidential ticket in 2012. david cay johnston, could you comment on this paul ryan being nominated and becoming the house speaker? >> if he can bring together the house, which i find beyond belief could happen given the roughly 40 members on the republican side who -- there's a form of anarchists, basically. if he can bring them together, his political stock in the future is going to rise tremendously. best job in congress, frankly, the head of the ways and means committee and was setting out to put in place his tax ideas, which are essentially based on what i call one-sided accounting. we magically make all these problems that cause to

disappear. i think this will be a great test to see if he can actually pull together the internal contradictions going on the republican party between the ideologues in the practical people who are the party business. amy: you had a lot of bashing of the deal last that in the debate. john nichols, you're from wisconsin and so is paul ryan. talk about it. >> well, paul ryan is the best actor to rise within the republican party since ronald reagan. and he is a performer. people should understand that. the start of the week he criticized the budget deal, in fact, said it stinks. and then the next day, he was voting for it. paul ryan is a masterful performer. he can tell conservatives he is a conservative, and he is a very passionate social conservative. that is important understand. he can tell moderates he is able to work with people. he can charm the media with very congenial appearances. with the thing to understand about paul ryan that is above all of these other discussions

is that there really are differences in the republican party. on questions of crony capitalism, on questions of how congress ought to relate to multinational corporations, how to act on trade deals, how it ought to respond wall street. the bottom line with paul ryan, who is a career politician -- he is been on capitol hill as an aid and then a member of congress for a quarter century. he looks like a young guy, but he is been there since george h.w. bush's presidency. the bottom line on paul ryan is, no matter what the issue, he will ultimately end up caring the water for wall street for multinational corporations. that is his great passion. it rises above all other issues. debate,oing back to the chris christie, who we have not talked much about, the new jersey governor, seized on comments by fbi director james comey over this past weekend.

that added scrutiny and criticism of police officers have fueled an increase in crime. about moralto talk authority, let's talk about something that happened this week in the news. the fbi director, the president's appointed fbi director has said this week that because of a lack of support from politicians like the president of the united states, that police officers are afraid to get out of their cars, they are afraid to enforce the law and he says, the president's appointee, that crime is going up because of this. when the president of the united states gets up to speak about it, does he support police officers and stand up for law-enforcement? know, he doesn't. i'll tell you this, the number one job of the president of the united states is to protect the safety and security of the american people. this president has failed. when i'm in the oval office, police officers will know that but -- will have the support of the president of the united states. amy: that is chris christie.

imani gandy, respond, please. >> i think crime has been going down remarkably over the last several years. secondly, i think there is this fundamental fallacy about black lives matter, about police brutality and about agitating -- advocating for police to be held actuallyle when they kill a black person or when they kill anyone, really. sayings notion that black lives matter automatically means cop lives don't matter or that white lives were asian lies or any other lives don't matter, i think is a fallacy that we really need to smash. because the point is, black police at an alarming rate. and whether or not it is more of a rate than in the past, surly, the attention to it due to things like citizen journalism, cell phones and that sort of thing, certainly, the conversation has been changed so that we are focusing on police

brutality. and the notion that the president speaking out for black lives matter automatically means he is against the police or the same thing happen with bill de blasio. you had new york city police officers turning their backs on the mayor because he is a black son and heir to speak about things that he knows are going to affect his son and his family. i -- i don't know what can be done about that, but we need to stop that thinking. we need to make it so this country, americans pay black lives but also realize that black people are not saying that only our lives matter, but that our lives matter as well. amy: thank you for being with us. we said in her headlines, african-american u.s. citizen has applied for asylum in canada sang heaters he will be killed by police in the united sates. because simply he is black. you can go back to her headlines to check that news story. thank you so much to david cay johnston, imani gandy, jamil smith, and john nichols.

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