12/01/15 12/01/15 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from the u.n. climate summit in paris, france, this is democracy now! >> the target was, we should not hope beyond two degrees celsius and now to be speaking about four or five degrees celsius is, to put it in other terms, to burn the planet. amy: they once sat at the same table as the world leaders who gather here in paris to hammer out a climate agreement on global warming. now they stand on the outside. today, we speak with two former climate negotiators. pablo solon of bolivia and yeb sano of the philippines. saño just arrived in paris not

as a representative of his government but as a member of , the people's pilgrimage. he's fasting today along with thousands of others around the world, calling for climate action. >> [indiscernible] international community, we cannot afford to delay climate action. deliver enhancing admission and should muster the come political -- political will toward peru and paris, it might be said it must be poetic justice, that the typhoon its diameters span the distance between warsaw and paris. that was yeb saño addressing the u.n. summit in 2013 in warsaw in the midst of typhoon haiyan, which killed thousands and almost took the life of his brother. yeb and his brother will join us

from inside and outside the climate summit. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we're broadcasting live from paris, france, where diplomats, heads of states and climate , negotiators are beginning the second day of negotiations for the 21st united nations climate change summit. on nearly 150 heads of state monday, gathered here in paris for what organizers called the largest-ever gathering of its kind. outside the cop21 facilities, protests continued to be banned across france as the cop21 continues. french president françois hollande condemned the protests over the weekend, calling it scandalous that theyey would protest at the place de la republique, even though democracy now! original video

footage shows the police, not the protesters, were the ones to trample on the flowers and candles commemorating the -- those who died in the november 13 attacks. >> this is why these protests are not authorized. we knew there would be troublemakers who, by the way, have nothing to do with climate activists are those who want the conference to succeed and who eatethere only to create problems. that is why the were put under house arrest. and it is doubly unfortunate, i would even say scandalous, place de la république where they're all of these flowers and also candles placed in memory of those who were killed or the buetof terrorists. amymeanwhile, primeister maellsas cfirmed police have raided more than 2000 homes since france declared a three-month state of emergency following the terror attacks on nomber 13. in baltimore, the trial has opened for the first of six

officers charged in the death of freddie gray, an african american man who died from injuries sustained in police custody april 19. his family and attorney say his voice box was crushed and his spine was 80% severed at his neck. a preliminary autopsy report showed gray died of a spinal injury. video shot by a bystander shows gray screaming in apparent agony as police drag him to a van. on monday, jury selection began for the trial of officer william porter. porter, who is african american, is charged with manslaughter, assault and reckless , endangerment. protesters gathered outside the nightouse chanting, "all all day, we're going to fight , for freddie gray." meanwhile, in chicago, a white police officer who is charged with first-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald has been freed on bond. on monday, officer jason van

dyke posted $150,000 bond and was released from jail as he awaits trial on first-degree murder charges. he was indicted last week, hours before police finally released video footage of him shooting mcdonald 16 times more than a year ago. police had claimed laquan mcdonald lunged at officer van dyke with a small knife, but the video shows the teenager posing no threat and walking away from the officers at a distance. there have been daily protests in chicago since the release of the video. on monday, naacp president cornell williams brooks was among those arrested while protesting the 13-month delay in releasing the video and charging the officer for the shooting. russian president vladimir putin has accused turkey of downing a russian warplane last week because turkey wanted to protect the flow of oil from isil-controlled territories in iraq and syria. turkey said it shot down the

plane on november 24 after warning the russian pilots they were in turkish airspace. but russia says the plane did not stray from syrian airspace. turkey has long been accused of allowing isil to export hundreds of millions of dollars of oil into turkey, where it is sold on the black market. speaking at the u.n. global climate conference in paris monday, putin said turkey's motives were to protect this oil flow. >> we have just now received additional information confirmed, unfortunately, that from the place of the oil production, which is controlled by isil another terrorist organizations, that oil in huge quantities in an industrial scale is being supplied to the territory of turkey. and we have every reason to believe that the decision on whether to shoot down our plane was dtated by the desire to ensure the safety of these oil supply routes to turkish

territory. amy: british prime minister david cameron has said there is "no military solution" to the threat of the self-proclaimed islamic state, even as cameron pushes parliament to approve his plan to begin bombing isil in syria. france, australia, canada, turkey and other u.s. allies , have all joined the u.s.-led bombing campaign against isil in syria over the past year. british opposition leader david cameron is opposed to the plan, but said he would permit a "free vote" -- meaning that he wouldn't instruct lawmakers from his labour party how to vote. over the weekend, thousands rallied across britain over the -- against the plan. speaking monday, prime minister cameron implored lawmakers to approve the bombing in wednesday's vote. even while saying there is no military solution. >> growing support across parliament for compelling case there is to act against isil in

syria and in iraq. let's be clear, there is no military solution to this issue. the action we are taking as part of a broader strategy, a political strategy, diplomatic strategy, a humanitarian strategy. in the end, the answer to what is happening in iraq and syria is the same. amy: in 2013, the british parliament rejected cameron's proposal to begin bombing syria in efforts to oust syrian president bashar al-assad. amnesty international is warning that in saudi arabia people , 50 including pro-democracy activists and a prominent palestinian poet are facing an imminent mass execution. among those facing execution is ali mohammed al-nimr, who was arrested at the age of 17 and convicted of encouraging protests during the arab spring. al-nimr is the nephew of a prominent cleric who has also received a death sentence following pro-democracy protests. in october, ali al-nimr's

mother, nusra al-ahmed, condemned her son's sentence in an interview with the guardian. >> no sane human being would rule against a child of 17 years old using such a sentence. and why? he didn't shed any blood. he didn't steal any property. no one could accept a ruling that he is so savage. it is savage, disgusting. a judge should be in the position of a father. he should be more merciful than the attorney general. amy: also facing execution in saudi arabia is palestinian poet ashraf fayadh, a member of the arts collective "edge of arabia." he has been sentenced to death on charges of "apostasy" for making allegedly blasphemous statements during a discussion group and in a book of his poetry. in the philippines, a court has found a u.s. marine guilty of killing a transgender woman and has sentenced him to six to 12 years in jail.

u.s. marine joseph scott pemberton was convicted for the 2014 murder of 26-year-old jennifer laude, who was found dead in a hotel room near a former u.s. naval base that still frequently hosts u.s. ships. pemberton had been charged with murder, but he was convicted of the lesser offense of homicide. the case has strained relations between the u.s. and the philippines, with some filipino lawmakers calling for changes to the rules permitting u.s. military forces in the country, which is a former u.s. colony. joseph pemberton will be temporarily held in a filipino prison until the philippines and u.s. government agree on where he should serve his sentence. in burkina faso, former prime minister roch marc kabore has won the presidential election, becoming the west african nation's first new leader in decades. he served as prime minister under the longtime former president blaise compaore, who was ousted in a popular uprising in 2014 after 27 years in power.

kabore split with the longtime president early last year and formed an opposition party. his election comes after a brief coup attempt in september by the presidential guard, which was loyal to the former president. in the occupied west bank, israeli soldiers have shot and killed two palestinians whom israeli authorities have said were attempting to carrying out stabbing attacks. israeli authorities say soldiers shot and killed a palestinian man who was allegedly attempting to stab people at an intersection in the jewish-only etzion settlement in the west bank. hours later, authorities say soldiers shot dead a palestinian woman who was allegedly attempting to stab military members outside an israeli checkpoint near the west bank city of tulkarem. since october, israeli forces have killed nearly 100 palestinians, while palestinian attacks have killed 19 israelis in the same time period. in new york, former new york state assembly speaker sheldon

silver has been convicted of fraud, extortion, money laundering and other charges of , corruption. a democrat, silver had been new york assembly speaker for over two decades and he was one of the state's most powerful politicians. on monday, a federal jury convicted him of abusing his office to rake in more than $4 million in illegal bribes and kickbacks. the charges carry a maximum sentence of 130 years in prison, although, he is expected to face significantly less time. silver remains released on bond. hunger strikes are spreading across u.s. detention centers. on november 26, more than 100 asylum seekers at three separate facilities launched a hunger strike to demand their immediate release, and an end to all deportations and detentions. this week, more than two dozen asylum-seekers joined the growing hunger strike, which is now active at detention centers in colorado, texas, alabama, and

three california detention centers in adelanto, orange, and san diego. hunger strikers report retaliation by authorities, including being placed in solitary confinement and being transferred to other facilities. to see our interviews with two women who say they were transferred to a mostly male detention center in retaliation for going on hunger strike, you can go to democracynow.org. the council on american-islamic relations is calling on the justice department to investigate the shooting of a muslim taxi driver in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, as a possible hate crime. according to the driver, who has not released his name, on november 26, he picked up a passenger outside a casino, who asked him if he was a "pakistani guy." the driver responded saying, "no, i'm from morocco. but i'm an american guy." the driver says the passenger then began to rant about isil, to which the driver responded

that he was against isil. the man also satirized the prophet mohammad. when the driver arrived at the man's destination, the passenger asked for him to wait, saying he'd forgotten his wallet inside. he returned with a rifle and allegedly shot the man in the back through the cab window. alia schindler of the council on american islamic relations in pittsburgh called on the justice department to investigate. >> the growing number of attacks that are taking place against the american muslim community in the federal officials need to make a clear statement, they need to send a clear message that these types of attacks are not acceptable and will not the tolerated whether they are against the american muslim community or any minority group. amy: and at ithaca college in upstate new york, students voted overwhelmingly to cast a vote of no-confidence against college president tom rochon, who has faced increasing calls to resign amid protests against racism on campus. the protesters accuse rochon of responding inadequately to

racist incidents, including one where an african-american alum was repeatedly called a "savage" by two white male fellow alumni. to see our full college of the -- coverage of the protests around the country, go to democracynow.org. and a correction to our earlier headline, the opposition leader in britain is jeremy corbyn of the labour party. he has opposed david cameron's plan to bomb syria. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. as nearly 150 heads of state gathered here in paris for what organizers called the largest-ever gathering of its kind, pope francis warned monday the world is heading toward suicide if more is not done to combat climate change. the pope made the remark aboard a plane at the end of a six-day trip to africa.

>> we are at the limits. if i may use a strong word, i woulsuicide. i'm certain that almost all of cop21who are in paris at are conscious of this and want to do something. amy: nearly 170 nations arrived here in paris with pledges to make voluntary greenhouse gas emission cuts but scientists say , far more is needed to prevent catastrophic climate change. u.n. secretary general ban ki moon said the world needs to move much faster to address the crisis. must amount a decisive turning point. we need the world to know we're headed toward lower emissions, climate resilient future, and there is no going back. the national climate plans

submitted by more than 180 countries as of today cover close to 100% of global emissions. this is a very good start, but we need to go much faster, much farther if we are to limit the global temperature rise below two degrees celsius. amy: on monday, france and india launched an international alliance to deliver solar energy to some of the planet's poorest. indian prime minister narendra modi announced the initiative. >> the power of our future. -- billions world of people into prosperity, our hope for a sustainable planet initiative.lobal

countriesan advanced living in a carbon space for developing countries to grow. it will create unlimited economic opportunities that will be the foundation of the new economy of the century. this is an alliance that brings together developed and developing countries. amy: while india is pushing solar energy it is also heavily , promoting coal power. india is expected to open a new coal plant every single month until 2020 as the country plans to double its coal production. chinese president xi jinping called on the world's wealthiest nations to help the developing world adapt to a changing climate. >> the paris agreement should help increase the investment and

ensure the actions on climate change. developed countries should keep their commitment to mobilizing $100 billion each year by 2020, and provide the stronger financial support to developing countries afterwards. it is also important to transfer climate-friendly technology to developing countries. the paris agreement should help accommodate different conditions in various countries, emphasize on being practical and effective . we should respect differences, especially developing countries, and domestic policies, capacity building, and economic structure. amy: chinese president xi jinping spoke in paris as smog in beijing climbed to more than 35 times safety levels set by the world health organization. china has ordered thousands of factories to be temporarily shut down. one of the most passionate speeches of the opening day of the u.n. climate change conference here in paris was delivered by marshall islands

president christopher loeak. thousands of residents from the marshall islands have already fled the pacific island state becoming climate change , refugees. loeak urged world leaders to end the fossil fuel era. >> everything i know and everyone i love is in the hands of all of us gathered here today. the climate we have known over many centuries has, in the matter of short decades, changed dramatically before our very eyes. we are already limping from climate disaster to climate disaster, and we know that it is worse to come. must be a turning

point in history and one that gives us hope. -- foris agreement must the climate future we all strive for. acknowledgeand much that the packets on the table now are not enough to limit degrees.o below 1.5 although, they are a start in the right direction. to seek the end -- that we all seek, appears agreement must be designed for ambition. it must send a message to the world that if we are to win the battle against climate change,

the fossil fuel era must draw to replaced by clean, green energy future free of the carbon pollution that is harming our air, stunting our growth, and suffocating our planet. action to for our [indiscernible] every five years. and it must assure countries as vulnerable as mine that the world's helping hand will be there when climate change unfortunately and unavoidably unleashes its devastating impacts. amy: marshall islands president christopher loeak speaking here in paris at the united nations

climate summit. when we come back we'll speak , with two climate negotiators who have taken their struggle to the streets. stay with us. ♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!,

democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting live from the 21st cop, the conference of parties, the u.n. climate summit. they once sat at the same table as the world leaders who gathered here in paris to hammer out an agreement over global warming. now they stand on the outside. today we speak to two former, negotiation is. later in the show, we will hear from yeb saño, the former chief negotiator for the philippines. first, we turn to pablo solon, the former chief negotiator on climate for bolivia as well as olivia's former ambassador to the united nations. i caught up with him on sunday shortly after thousands of climate activists lined the streets of paris to form a human chain after french officials canceled a major climate march. >> i have been in two very

important summits, one in copenhagen and one in cancun. and here what we're going to have in paris is the third climate agreement. we have had two comment agreements, one was the kyoto protocol and the other was the cancun agreement. the cancun agreement is for 2012 until 2020. and now in paris, we're supposed to have a third agreement for 2020 until 2030. now, the paris agreement is going to be as bad as the cancun agreement. why? because in reality, we're not here to negotiate the emission cuts of any country. is eachnegotiations are country says, i'm going to do this, and that's it. so the u.s. says, we're going to reduce greenhouse gas emissions between 25% to 28% by 2025, and that is their pledge.

that is not under discussion. so already, all of the countries have presented their pledges until the first of october. so we already know the result of paris. there is an official document afterhe unfccc receiving the emission cuts from all of the countries, where are we now? and that official document says, we're going to be increasing the temperature between 2.7 to 3.9 degrees celsius. so that is a must twice what -- almost twice what we had to limit because the target was we shouldn't go beyond an increase of two degrees celsius. and now to be speaking about four degrees or five degrees in others, to put it terms, to burn the planet. so the paris agreement is an agreement that will see the planet burn.

i think this is a really bad agreement. and we are here in the show to try to sell the world a good outcome that is going to kill humans and life as we know it. amy: we're standing on sunday, the day before the u.n. summit opens, the day or hundreds of thousands of people were supposed to march, but the march was canceled after the terror attacks of november13. your thoughts on the environmental activists agreeing to know marching? >> i think there should have been a march. i think the terrorist attacks are being used to undermine the climate mobilization and are going to be used in order to have a bad agreement. it remembers me a little bit wto,the ministerial of the

the world trade organization until hot after 9/11. before that, we had seattle. seattle was the moment where the movement came out very strongly, but then came 9/11 and then this was used to, hey, you have to agree on this agreement -- which is a very bad agreement, the one we have now in the doja, until now. and the same thing is happening here. the attacks are being used to say, don't do mobilizations and we want to have the agreement ready before the end of the cop next week. amy: one of the people in the human chain said, they still are protecting the 130 world leaders who are coming. they did not tell them, cancel your visit, just too difficult here, we have to deal in the aftermath of the terror attacks, so they say they will protect the world leaders but not civil

society. they prevent them from expressing their views. >> yeah, absolutely. you have many public spaces were thousands of people gather here in paris, and they don't have any protection. so to say you cannot have this march but at the same time you can go to public spaces were you also don't have any kind of protection, so it is really to undermine the free voice of the people. my guess is that they are using fear in order to hide what they're doing. so we have a very bad, nation here in paris -- combination here in paris. one of the key things, for example, that is not being discussed the negotiations at all is to put a limit to fossil fuel extraction's. so there is not one single put text to has

negotiation that says you have to leave 80% of fossil fuels under the ground. and if you don't leave them under the ground, how are you going to limit greenhouse gas emissions that come mainly from fossil fuel extraction? so you don't have the real key topics being discussed. and on the other hand, you have the on the ounce of fear being created in order that the and you say, this is the best we can do, let's accept it, it is fine. amy: so what is happening in bolivia? in the midst of all of these official u.n. summits from cancun to poland, her room, onre was the people's summit the rights of the earth that was held in bolivia, led by the president evo morales. what is happening there today? >> well, just a couple of months second meeting.

it did not have much coverage from the media. it was organized by the government. very few climate activists from the world came. the issue is that in bolivia, we see more and more contradiction between what the government says and what the government does. so one of the big discussions that we had with evo morales during the summit now was that he said we cannot be park for the capitalist countries of the north. and from our point of view, we have to preserve forests because forests are thelungs of mother earth. we cannot imagine a world without forests. so the rules, the laws that are

being pushed forward in bolivia are going to increase deforestation. that is why, for example, here during this stage, we're going to have a big event on zero deforestation until 2020 and all countries. -- in all countries. there is schizophrenia. in the u.n., all countries have agreed that by 2020, they have to halt deforestation. but in the unfccc, those countries are still going to continue deforestation the aunt 2020, and like my country, they say they're going to do forest 3 million until 2030. these are the contradictions. amy: in bolivia, what is the issue around mineral and fossil fuel extraction? what is president morales doing? >> the issue is -- well, i

thought when the prices of oil went down, then the government was going to react and say, ok, we have to move away from as extraction in 5, 10 years. but instead, what they said is, if the prices have fall half, now we have to export twice. so there's searching for even -- so they are searching for even more gas and more oil. so we're becoming more addict to fossil fuels them before when we should be already beginning to think how we're going to phase out fossil fuels. so this is another critical issue in the case of olivia. amy: what about nuclear power? >> nuclear power is another problem because we say, ok, let's look for another kind of alternative. then the government has said, nuclear power. we're absolutely against because

it is dangerous for nature, for the people. in our constitution, there is a ban to any kind of nuclear waste . so if there's any kind of nuclear plant in bolivia, according to our constitution, the waste of that nuclear plant cannot be deposit inside bolivian territory. so it is something very complicated, but even though there is a lot of pressure from civil society, the government has done an agreement with russia and they are planning to begin with a nuclear investigation and are going to invest $300 million just as a first step. and this is something that really is against everything we have fought for. amy: what is the scale of the size of the nuclear plant that is planned for bolivia? >> that is another thing.

the government doesn't speak very frankly about what is the final goal. 20 hectres, now saying 40. it will be a plan that will be 1000, 2000 megawatts. i don't know. and you can't find that information. that is also something that should never happen because if you have a plant like that, yet to share in a very transplant -- transparent way and you have to consult the people. that is not happening. the peopleve struggled nearby in bolivia, or talk about the significance of that. and for those who have not heard of them, what was the trajectory of this extremely diverse place that seemed so deeply threatened? andetween the yasuni ecuador different national parks

that we have in bolivia, there are many connections. the problem is, you can find probably oil or gas in this national parks like yasuni, like pygmies in bolivia and others. and indigenous people that live there say, hey, we don't want you to destroy our home. we don't want you to destroy the biodiversity here in this national park. at the beginning, the proposal of ecuador was, ok, we're not going to dig, we're not going to distract -- extract fossil fuels. but then they said, because international community is not that is give us a grant big enough to cover what we're not going to extract -- amy: to pay for it not to be developed or drilled. that was the idea that correa put out. >> exactly.

they received the money. instead of digging, they do whatever they have to do with that money that they have received. saidow president correa we're going to dig anyway because that money is institutions, and this has created a whole crop inside ecuador. it is the same case in bolivia. on,e all saying, come you're going to do this in order to get fossil fuels. how much does it cost to deforest one hectre? what is the cost of losing the biodiversity? it is huge. so why are we going to destroy forests, national parks, to find something that we are ready know is killing us? because i'm a change is mainly due to fossil fuels that are

being burned. so instead of going this way, we should begin to learn and live with the forest. there are many ways where we can get resources with the forest without affecting the forest. boliviain the case of and ecuador, the struggle against climate change is the struggle against deforestation. you have the combination of oil extraction plus deforestation as of most gravest challenges climate activists of our country. amy: that is pablo solon, former chief negotiator on climate change for bolivia as well as bolivia's former ambassador to the united nations. i spoke to him sunday in the streets of paris were he joined the human chain and then the protest at the place de la république. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. when we come back, we go to yet another chief climate negotiator

who has now taken his cause to the streets. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: "sing for the climate -- do it now." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we turn now to a former climate negotiator who has taken his fight for climate justice to the streets. yeb saño, the former lead climate negotiator for the philippines, has just walked more than 900 miles from rome to paris as part of a people's pilgrimage for climate action. saño was the top philippines climate negotiator in 2013 when typhoon haiyan, one of the strongest cyclones in recorded history, devastated the philippines, killing thousands of people. the devastation coincided with the 2013 united nations climate change summit in warsaw, poland, where yeb saño made headlines with an emotional plea for

action on climate change. --typhoons such as haiyan international committed to, we cannot afford to delay climate action. warsaw must deliver in enhancing ambition and should muster the political will to address climate change and build that important bridge toward peru and paris. it might be said that it must be poetic justice that the typhoon haiyan was so big that its diameters spanned the distance between warsaw and paris. mr. president in doha, we ask if not us, then who? if not now, then when? if not here, then where? but here in warsaw, we may very well ask the same for questions. what my country is going through as a result of this extreme climate event is madness. the climate crisis is madness.

mr. president, we can stop this madness right here in warsaw. any code that is yeb saño, speaking as the lead climate negotiator for the philippines in 2013. the following year, as yet another deadly storm battered the philippines, yeb saño was unexpectedly absent. it shocked many. he had been pulled from the delegation at the last minute, leading to speculation he had been targeted for his outspokenness amid pressure from wealthier countries, like the united states. at the time, he tweeted out -- "they can silence my mouth. but they cannot silence my soul." well, this year in yeb saño is the u.n. climate summit, but not as a chief negotiator or in your the negotiators for the philippines but as an activist. , today, he's fasting for the climate along with thousands of other people around the world. just before our broadcast, saño

and about 20 other participants gathered around a table set with empty plates to symbolize their fast for climate justice. yeb saño has just finished his nearly 60-day pilgrimage across europe, walking with his brother, a.g. saño, who survived the devastation of typhoon haiyan in the hard-hit city of tacloban. we'll hear from a.g. saño later in the broadcast. a right now, yeb saño, it is great to have you with us and to see you again in a slightly different capacity wearing very different clothing from the suits i'm used to seeing you into a t-shirt. what does it say? >> it says, "i fast for the climate." the culmination of 365 days since the fasters started fasting in lima one year ago. amy: can you talk about this change? talk about what happened in

lima, why we did not see you there. >> quite frankly, until today, until this very day, i have not .eceived any information nobody has talked to me about why i was taken out of the delegation in lima. remain is something a speculative of until today. amy: but you are planning to go to the airport and get on a plane to lima? >> that's right. i had a plane ticket. i needed a piece of paper signed being a government employee, i needed a paper sign for me to get on the plane before i leave. amy: so you just went on a 60 day tumor courage -- 60-day pilgrimage from italy to paris, from shaking hands with the pope. can you talk about the significance of what the pope has said about climate change, how it has inspired you, and why you're doing this work on the street now? >> the pope has been very outspoken on the climate issue,

and i think has been courageous than -- more courageous the many of us. he is very straight forward way, pinpointed the problem of climate change and link to to social justice and economic injustice. so that is truly inspiring for us. we wanted to carry his message, literally, from rome to paris and that is why we embark on this partial journey of over 900 miles for 60 days walking through italy, switzerland, and france and to we reached here in paris. amy: what is the message you are bringing? >> the message, primarily, is that -- the message is the messenger. we wanted to tell the whole world that by walking, we become instruments of climate justice as well as we connect with people in communities along the way. been inspiration

from pope francis, he is also been the classic case of the message are -- messenger being the message. that is also important. what we want to tell the world leaders here in paris, please, don't disappoint the world. the whole world is watching. this is the last chance for giving them. if paris fails, i think people should take it as a signal that world leaders will continue to fail. amy: what would success look like, yeb saño, you who have been at the core of the negotiations now on the outside? >> we are speaking about the most serious threat that humanity has ever faced. we deserve no less than an agreement that would avert the climate crisis. there are some parameters around that that talks about temperature thresholds like two degrees or even 1.5 degrees or the carbon budget, if we talked about figures and numbers.

but what all of that translates into is a massive transformation of the global economy. we cannot continue to rely on the globe -- current global order if we're going to make the world more safer against climate change. amy: when you spoke in warsaw so powerfully, at the time, did you know if your brother was dead or alive as haiyan hit the philippines? >> when i was delivering that speech, i already had word from my family thata.g. had sent out a facebook message that he was alive already. at that time and that was comforting to me, gave me a lot of strength. amy: i want to turn to your brother, a.g. saño, in the city of tacloban, which was nearly leveled by typhoon haiyan. doesn't have

credentials to enter this highly fortified u.n. climate summit, early this morning we talked to a.g. off grounds. he is a street artist who had been a landscape architect. and together with his brother, yeb saño, the former chief climate negotiator, has been on this people's pilgrimage. he has been creating murals as part of the people's pilgrimage. i started by asking him to describe those days back in 2013 , the devastation of typhoon haiyan. >> if i would have to give details about my experience, it would take eight hours because that is how long the we experienced intacloban. if i would have to summit in two words, it is about helplessness and hopelessness and devastated would be the way to describe what i saw.

when i got out of the building, one block away from the downtown area. amy: describe what you saw. i would like to describe first what was happening during the typhoon. the eye of the storm was already passing by tacloban. it was the time when the building, an old building was shaking the hardest. it was like a two hour earthquake. and people in the building were crying and shouting and screaming and waiting for the building to collapse. spraying --nt, praying not for the lord to save me, but to allow my family to find my body because i had are ready resigned to the idea it would totally collapse and i would die right there. in my mind, i was thinking, maybe at that very moment hundreds, if not thousands, of people are dying because of the

strong wind and storm surge that came. so when i got out of the hotel after the storm, i only saw dead bodies right there in front of the building. and i tried to go to the capital to find help, but they would not reach the capital because of the fallen trees, fallen posts, cars on top of each other. trucks on tops of other cars. literally, dead bodies were scattered all over. to find city hall instead, but the same thing. after about three blocks, i saw some firefighters picking up dead bodies and i ended up helping out for that day. in the next day, adjust decided cadaverteer in the

retrieval. so i did that for the next four days. amy: where? >> in the city. tacloban city. amy: you are picking up bodies? >> yes, putting dead bodies on the truck. we brought them to the ground in front of city hall, and immediate, temporary space for the dead bodies. we had to get them out of the streets because they were piling up really fast. amy: can you talk about the murals you have been painting from rome to paris along the way? >> we had a chance of painting about six murals since we started walking in rome until we got to paris. we painted murals that depicts pilgrims walking around the paris.nd leading towards and i was each one of those murals had a mythical figure like a fairy godmother looking over nature or mother nature

herself looking over the world, and pilgrims walking on the earth towards the a full tower. it is a message that says, we're willing to travel the world, we're filipinos, victims of the disastrous effects of climate change, but we're willing to walk the world come even go through snow, even if we have not seen snow before, just to get the message across. amy: has it changed you, this journey? >> it has. it has. thisne thing i realize is journey would bring me back to tacloban, bring back the memories of typhoon haiyan. i wasn't really prepared for that, but kept on coming. images of the dead wood flash through my mind as if they were talking to me and asking me for something. amy: you consider yourself a climate refugee.

>> i probably would. i probably would. but then an activist that is willing to go out and willing to take myself out of the philippines just to bring the voices of those victims who doesn't have a chance or the opportunity to send their voices out the philippines. amy: if you could go into the climate summit, what would you say? >> to be brutally honest, i don't really care about what is happening in the cop. because of the world leaders really cared, it would not take 20 years. it wouldn't take 20 years. they have been talking since the 1990's, but what is really happening? i am a person who would rather believe in the bottom-up process, where you can make change below. like the people we met along the

way from rome to paris, that is where it begins, on the ground, in a grassroots. and it can go up and up in different levels. if it presents a successful opportunity. but then world leaders are only less than 200 in this world, but there are billions of other people who may the willing to listen and may be willing to change. amy: is there anything else you would like to add? >> well, i came here to bring the voice of my dead friend. i would just like to tell the world the name of my friend. his name is -- climate change is as real as him. the last thing i told him was to take care of himself and his family because that is the

strongest typhoon in recorded history that we are about to face, and that was the last time i ever talked to them. he lost his wife, his little boy, his mom and dad. , their and his dad bodies were never found. and my promise to him is that would tell the world about his name. his name is -- he will never get to see the sun rise again. amy: that is a.g. saño, brother of former philippines climate negotiator yeb saño, who joins us here at the u.n. climate summit. , wasyour brother a.g. supposed to sleep over at his best friend's house that night. >> that is right. that is right. and it was probably providential , and he did not want to burden the family with the next a guest that night, so we ended up sleeping elsewhere. in the whole family paris during the storm.

amy: as we wrap up, you're feeling as you sit and relive that, as you come from this people's cure -- people's pilgrimage for climate justice, going from a climate leader diplomat to a climate justice activist, your thoughts as you sit here fasting, seeing your colleagues, your former colleagues pass you by? >> climate change is something that many people probably don't understand, and they must understand, especially the leaders gathered here, that it is a very serious issue. it is the defining issue of our generation and future generations will measure as. they will measure is by how we respond to this crisis. amy: do you feel you are more in -- powerful as an insider or outsider? >> i don't really think about

the power that i hold, i just think about what i can do as a person. how i can express an act of kindness and love to others so that they can have a better world. amy: yeb saño, thank you so much for being with us. that does it for this broadcast. yeb saño has just walked more than 900 miles from rome to paris as part of the people's pilgrimage for climate action. that does it for democracy now! democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]

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