01/15/16 01/15/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! the will gladly accept mantle of anger. our military is a disaster. our health care is a horror show. obamacare -- we're going to repeal it and replace it. we have no borders. our vets are being treated horribly. illegal immigration is beyond belief. our country is being run by incompetent people. yes, i am angry. amy: as the republicans engage in another primary debate, this one in south carolina, we will go to columbia, south carolina,

does it with tom turnipseed, who is a national director of segregationist alabama governor george wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, but has since become a civil rights attorney and social justice activist. we'll also speak with nation magazine publisher katrina vanden heuvel, not only about the republican bait -- debate, but also for only the third time in its 150-year history, the nation magazine has endorsed a candidate in the democratic primary. then to the water crisis in flint, michigan. >> it is an emergency. the cdc and the pediatrics say levelis no safe of lead. it is an emergency. amy: protesters fill the state capitol in lansing, calling on governor rick snyder to resign over the flint water

contamination crisis. we will get the latest from the doctor who helped expose the lead poisoning, mona hanna-attisha, as snyder has asked president obama to declare a federal emergency in flint where residents are also dealing with an outbreak of legionnaires disease that's killed 10 people so far. and we will speak with investigative reporter curt guyette about how the same unelected emergency manager who caused the crisis in flint ash caused the crisis in flint is public schools were teachers have gone out on strikes. all of that and more coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the obama administration has announced it has transferred 10 yemeni prisoners from guantanamo bay to oman, marking what the white house calls a significant milestone.

after the transfer 93 prisoners , are still being held at guantánamo. approved 34rd has prisoners for transfer, which the white house has will continue over the course of the year. also thursday, ash carter announced he is repaired a plan that would move guantánamo's remaining prisoners to secure site in the united states. president obama reportedly is in the final stages of reviewing that plan. goldman sachs has reached a tentative $5 billion settlement with federal and state investigators over the investment bank's role in the 2008 financial crisis. goldman was under investigation for lying about the value of the mortgage-backed securities it sold in the years leading up to the crash. the sale of toxic securities helped trigger the global economic collapse. under the terms of the tentative settlement, goldman will pay billions in civil penalties. no one will go to jail. michigan attorney general bill schuette has announced he will investigate the water crisis in

flint to determine whether any michigan laws have been violated. this comes as governor rick snyder has appealed to president obama to declare a major disaster over lead poisoning in flint's drinking water. the poisoning began after an unelected emergency manager appointed by snyder switched the city's water source to the corrosive flint river in a bid to save money. residents have reported lasting health impacts, including developmental and cognitive impairment. governor snyder asked for federal aid thursday, amid new revelations that at least 10 flint residents have died from legionnaires' disease amid a surge in infections caused by the water-borne bacteria. this comes as the world economic forum's annual global risks report has ranked water crises as the top global risk to industry and society over the next decade. we'll go to michigan to speak who dr. mona hanna-attisha , headed the september study that discovered high levels of lead in the blood of flint's

children. we will talk to her later in broadcast. the obama administration is expected to announce plans friday to halt all new coal mining leases on public lands. obama's proposal follows demands by a coalition of more than 400 organizations that the white house stop issuing new leases for all false of fuel extraction on public lands and oceans. speaking on democracy now!, tim dechristopher explained the significance of the campaign. >> there's another 450 gigatons huckabee kept in the ground by ending fossil fuel leaching. so it is a major demand. think isething that i a new step for the climate movement, for a lot of the mainstream groups that were part of this coalition and part of this campaign that we are same we're no longer operating from a paradigm of deviating from the status quo, we're operating from the paradigm of looking at the challenge of climate change and what actually is necessary.

and we are going to find a way to make that happen. , spokesman fore the national mining association luke popovich said -- "it appears that they're going after the federal coal leasing program with the intention of keeping coal in the ground." in new york state nine activists , who were arrested for blocking construction of a gas pipeline expansion are slated to begin trial, where they will use the necessity defense, arguing their actions were necessary because of the threat of climate change. on november 9, nine activists with the group resist aim blocked the entrance to the construction area for the proposed expansion of the spectra energy algonquin pipeline, which carries fracked methane gas across the east coast. the use of the necessity defense in this case comes after as five climate justice activists on trial in washington state for blocking a mile-long oil train our also argue their protest necessary because of the threat of climate change.

nci s, the naval criminal investigative service, has reopened its investigation into accusations that members of a navy seals team brutally beat several afghan prisoners at a remote outpost in southern afghanistan in 2012. this follows an investigation by the "new york times" that found three navy seals dropped heavy stones on the detainees' chests, stomping on their heads, and pouring bottles of water on their faces in a modified form of waterboarding. one of the detainees was beaten so badly that he eventually died from his injuries. to see our interview on that story, you can go to democracynow.org. in chicago, protests dubbed "black wall street" are planned today to protest fatal police shootings of african americans. after a federal judge forced chicago to release video footage of the fatal police shooting of another unarmed of an american teenager named cedrick chatman. 17-year-old chatman was killed by chicago police officer kevin fry in january 2013.

the video footage from traffic surveillance cameras shows chatman running away from two officers, who are chasing him down the street. one of the officers is clearly holding a gun. both videos partially obscure the shooting itself, but each show chatman crumpling to the ground after shots are fired. police had claimed chatman turned and pointed something at the officers, but neither video shows any signs the teenager turned. police later learned chatman was holding only the case of his iphone. police have said chatman was being pursued as a suspect in a car theft. officer kevin fry, who killed chatman, has had at least 30 civilians complaints filed against him over the course of his career, reportedly. chatman's family has sued chicago over the shooting. the release of this video footage comes amid increasing calls for chicago mayor rahm emanuel's resignation over the fatal police shooting and possible cover-up of another

17-year-old teenager, laquan mcdonald, who was shot 16 times by white police officer jason van dyke more than one year ago. a new investigation by the chicago tribune suggests emanuel may have known the details of the mcdonald case far earlier than he has admitted. the investigation shows emanuel's closest aides were concerned the mcdonald case might create a political firestorm as early as december 2014. these aides and top police officials all began closely tracking the case. they also held multiple meetings with emanuel over this time period. in april, during the mayor's reelection campaign, chicago agreed to a preemptive $5 million settlement with laquan mcdonald's family after they obtained video footage of the killing. in alabama, a federal judge has thrown out the civil rights case against the former madison police officer accused of using excessive force against an unarmed indian grandfather in an attack that left the man partially paralyzed. in february 2015, officer eric parker and other officers

approached sureshbhai patel as he was taking a walk. a neighbor had called 911 to report a "skinny black guy" in the neighborhood. dashcam footage shows police slamming patel from a standing position face-first into the ground. on wednesday, judge madeline hughes haikala granted a motion to acquit officer eric parker, following two mistrials last year. in upstate new york, ithaca college president tom rochon has resigned after months of protests against racism on campus. this comes one month after students voted overwhelmingly to cast a vote of no confidence against rochon. students have accused the college president of responding inadequately to racist incidents, including one where an african-american alum was repeatedly was called a savage by two white male fellow alumni. speaking on democracy now! in november, ithaca college professor peyi soyinaka-airewele

discussed the campus' grievances with the college president rochon. >> i think the crisis we haven't ithaca college is historical struggle with president rochon. faculty, students, and staff have found to be unaccountable, andresponsive, -- responsive leadership. this has been a long-standing struggle with the administration to create a community that is inclusive, not only of race, but of students voices, faculty input, and staff input. and so we've had many incidents over the past two years since rochon has been in office that describes and so eloquently that he has absolutely no regard for the contributions of members of the community. amy: that was ithaca college professor peyi soyinaka-airewele. on thursday, the group poc at

ic, people of color at ithaca college, which has led the protests, celebrated the announcement of rochon's resignation, writing on facebook -- "there is power in the collective. we did it!" and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: welcome to all of our listeners and viewers. republican tilde debate last night in south carolina. voters head to the polls on federally 20th in the third caucus a primary after i win new hampshire. the prime time lineup was narrowed to seven hopefuls after senator rand paul and former hp ceo carly fiorina failed to make the cut. the latest polls show frontrunner donald trump continues to hold a commanding national lead at 33%. 13 points ahead of his closest challenger texas senator ted cruz.

cruz, however, recently surged in the opening contest of iowa he and trump are now tied. amy: just before the debate, it emerged that senator cruz failed to disclose a goldman sachs loan step used to finance his 2012 senate bid in texas. "new york times" reports you took out loans from goldman sachs and citibank totaling $1 million. cruz's senate campaign did not report either of the loans in its filings with the federal election commission. with cruz and second place, trump has confronted his top challenger by raising questions about his eligibility to become was born because cruz in canada to a cuban father and an american mother. senator cruz was asked about his eligibility last night. >> back in september, my friend donald said he had had his lawyers look at this from every which way. and there was no issue there, there was nothing to this birther issue. now --

since september, the constitution hasn't changed. [laughter] but the poll numbers have. and i recognize -- i recognize that donald is dismayed that his poll numbers are falling in iowa. but the facts and the law here are really quite clear. under long-standing u.s. law, the child of a u.s. citizen born abroad is a natural born citizen. if a soldier has a child abroad, that child is a natural born citizen. that's why john mccain, even though he was born in panama, was eligible to run for president. if an american missionary has a child abroad, that child is a national born citizen. that is why george romney, mitt's dad, was eligible to run for president even though he was born in mexico. juan: he went on to say donald trump my not even be eligible because his mother was born in scotland. also during the debate, the question trump about

his call to ban muslims from entering the united states. >> mr. trump, your comments about banning muslims from entering the country created a firestorm. according to facebook, it was the most talked about moment online of your entire campaign with more than 10 million people talking about the issue. his or anything you have heard that makes you want to rethink this position? >> no. amy: that was donald trump. no, he said. for more than republican debate, we're joined by two guests, katrina vanden heuvel, editor and publisher of the nation magazine, and tom turnipseed, a self-described reformed racist. he was national director of segregationist alabama governor george wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, but a since become a civil rights attorney and social justice activist. in the late 1990's, he was cocounsel in a lawsuit against the ku klux klan for burning an

african american church in south carolina and won a $37 million verdict against the klan. he is also a former south carolina state senator. he is joining us from the state where the debate took place last night, joining us from south carolina, from columbia, the capital. we welcome you both to democracy now! actually, tom turnipseed, i want to begin with you. the debate took place in north charleston, south carolina, to be exact. we were recently there in charleston after the killing of the worshipers at emanuel church. north charleston, which is a separate city, is where walter scott was killed by the officer slager, the african-american motorist who was shot in the back repeatedly. set the scene for us for where this debate took place and the significance of the republican debate happening in south venue well, it is a larger

where they had it. i think it was appropriate because being in north charleston, it has a largest venue in the charleston area so it was pretty good for it. you know, south carolina is a big deal in presidential politics. we have the third major focus in iowa,caucused up the new hampshire and then down here in south carolina. so it is kind of a big deal. amy: katrina vanden heuvel, you heard the first clip that we just played about the eligibility a senator cruz the donald trump first said it was not an issue, but now because they are in a close contest in iowa, continually raises. >> first of all, i don't think any of them are eligible considering the failure to address the real issues confronting this country, whether the economic anxiety or racial injustice, but we need some resolution.

constitutional lawyers should be put in a room and come out and say something, but you saw ted cruz, very sharp edged in this nasty come a overlong debate come back swinging. i don't think viewers, way with any better sense of it except that i really do mean what i said which is that people -- these candidate should be judged, and seems to me, on the issues and not on this kind of new birtherism, which donald trump worked desperately against obama of years ago. amy: did they talk about --rence tribe in this clip they talked about him in the debate last night with donald trump saying that lawrence tribe, who was editor truce -- cruises professor at law school, said the issue isn't settled. he even said, surprisingly evenh, he said it wasn't settled, though more so with john mccain who was born in

panama at the base. he says while it seems more obvious, even that is not completely settled. he said ted cruz that is a question. juan: "the washington post" also said there are legitimate questions that have not been resolved about what is the citizen -- what does that are born citizen as the constitution defines it mean, especially when you're dealing with territories, either like an animal canal zone it was a territory -- the military face of the united states but it was in a different country and it has even been raised in terms of people born in puerto rico that puerto rico belongs to but is not part of the united states, according to the supreme court. so few are born in puerto rico, can you legitimately run for president of the united states, even though you were born a citizen of the united states? the question of what is natural born citizen mean is still, a fairly, hasn't been fully resolved and may take a supreme

court case at some point or other to resolve it. >> i think it should be resolved, but is this essential burning issue of a republican debate? again, it is driven by donald trump who just has the unerring ability, largely granted by the media, to drive the debate, and it dominated last night in ways that i think excluded many other issues that a lot people would have liked to hear. want tom turnipseed, i ask about the donald trump phenomenon and how that might -- the residents it has for you back to the 1968 campaign of george wallace and how trump appears to appeal to the same sort of sector of the society that wallace appealed to back in 1968. basically fear is what they used. of course, a lot of people in politics use fear. but anyway, with wallace, you

know, it was fear of the african-american people is what he did. a lot different in that wallace was coming know, kind of a poor middle class guy and trump is very, very wealthy. but trump does the same thing with the chinese and the mexicans and so forth. but let me jump to one other quick thing. the biggest trouble that was his name has right now is -- that ted has is goldman sachs. big time trouble with a goldman sachs issue, who just pay this tremendous fine. there's a movie out now called "the big short," a big movie and his wife worked for goldman sachs. his involvement there, you know, with goldman sachs, is really substantial. issue, it is a big, big that he is not going to be able

to get away from. -- you know,hat he he is just not -- so to speak. or anything close to it. he is tied in with it, big-money folks. a bigger part? >> i was going to say mr. turnipseed is right on because i think a lot of what donald trump is playing on is legitimate economic society, then you get the racial grievances. but i think there's a lot of us versus them, not left versus right in this country. and goldman sachs we just reported paid a $5 billion fine today is at the heart of the financial crisis, which is ravaged pupils pensions and home equity in their lives. it is a sweetheart deal. it is diplomatic of a very rigged system that bernie sanders rails against and that when they try to be so-called right-wing populist do, but it is going to hurt them. amy: we're one ago to break -- >> cruz had big loans.

his wife works there. amy: we're going to continue this discussion will we come back with tom turnipseed, the former national director of the segregationist alabama governor george wallace's 1968 presidential campaign and we are also joined by katrina vanden heuvel, the editor of publisher of the nation magazine. after we discussed the republican debate, we will talk with her about this where primary endorsement that the nation has made, one of only three times in the nation's 150 year history. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

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among those to note the similarities in rhetoric between donald trump and george wallace's 1968 presidential campaign. this clip is from her show that begins with george wallace. >> you haven't got any guts. you've got to my chair on your head, partner. you have a load on your mind. that's right. >> what a bunch of losers. you are a loser. you really are a loser. get him out. amy: presidential candidate donald trump. in november, a black lives matter protester at a trump rally in birmingham, alabama was , kicked and punched by trump supporters as trump yelled, "get him the hell out of here." trump later defended his supporters telling fox news "maybe should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing." i want to turn to george wallace's daughter, peggy wallace kennedy.

she told buzzfeed she compared her father to donald trump, saying -- "there are a great deal of similarities as it relates to their style and political strategies. the two of them, they have adopted the notion that fear and hate are the two greatest motivators of voters." she went on to say -- "they both can draw a crowd and work up a crowd. my father was a very fiery and emotional speaker and was able to tap into the fears of the poor and working-class white people." but peggy wallace kennedy said her father may have actually been less extreme in some respects. she said -- "i think my father had more self-restraint and respect for the institutions of government than trump does," she said, adding "i think my father , understood the limitation of the executive branch of government, where i don't think trump does. and i think daddy, even though he used coded language to use racial themes, he never attacked a culture based on their religion and race. he used coded language to suggest the racial themes. but he never specifically attacked a group of people based on their religion and their race."

still with us, tom turnipseed, yournal director of -- thoughts on what wallace's daughter said and your own feelings and transformation around george wallace? with her 100%. it is really interesting. governor wallace's number one media target, believe it or not, was "the new york times." "the newump jumped on york times" last night. did you notice that? anyway, governor wallace was a poor kid, middle-class kid from southeast alabama. at first, he was just a populist without racism. he ran for governor and was endorsed by, believe it or not,

the naacp. as a point, john patterson was endorsed by the ku klux klan and patterson won. i understand that wallace told one of his staff people that i'll never be out n-worded again. from then on, he stood in the schoolhouse door and blah blah blah. wasn't economically, even though what he did was just fighting thefar as separation -- segregation and so forth and making those speeches and standing in schoolhouse doors, he put more money into the poor school districts, which included african-americans, too, and community colleges than any other governor ever has. he was like an economic populist. , one of thernipseed

things i would like to note about him also, he was a lot more qualified to run for president the donald trump was. he was not only a governor, he had been a judge in alabama, had been an assistant attorney general. yet held public office and you something about the runnings of government whereas some critics, even within the republican party, have said about trump, he is never held publ office or served in the military as some presidents have from military commanders to become president. >> i was going to say -- >> judge chestnut, one of the best lawyers, african-american guy from selma, and i was on tv with them years ago, said that governor wallace was the fairest judge he ever been before. in this as african-american from selma. -- the idea of

government qualifications is a lofty one. it seems to me we're living in a moment where reverend norquist, said over a decade ago, that the republican right wing once to take government and strangle it, drown it in a bathtub, now they want to trash it, doesn't seem to me that trump is hurting from his lack of government experience, but back to what esther turnipseed was saying, it seems the struggle in this country over the last many decades has been one between fear and hope, between hate and justice. and what you saw last night, donald trump took on the mantle of hate, took on the mantle of grievance, took on the mantle of anger. and what does he do with it? he doesn't talk to people about what could be, he trashes people around him. he foments division. again, i'll just say i think are few parallels between bernie sanders and donald trump. i could see donald trump heading into ohio, for example, talking

about trade and speaking to people whose lives that event is located and damaged by trade bills. it bernie sanders is not saying to turn on each other. he is saying in an old-fashioned solidarity, turn toward each other. and i think that has been lost in our politics on the republican side. you mentioned bernie sanders. the nation, for the only third time in its history, has endorsed a candidate in a primary democratic primary, endorsed bernie sanders. was wondering why you made that decision. >> for more than three decades, bernie sanders has champion ideas and issues which have essentially been off the radar of our downsized politics, those very ideas and issues are ones which have innovated the nation. at the heart of it, i would say as you have someone like bernie sanders who is the real deal, is honest, who has integrity and is a truth teller about the rigged system that is shafting so many

people in this country. the inequality that is leading this country to be a plutocracy, not a democracy. and for those reasons, the nation believed it was an important moment to speak to those issues -- there are others -- but in bernie sanders, there's a political revolution the could up and -- upend distorted priorities of this country, the sweetheart deal to many are getting, banks and insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies that own this country, is become better future. we are aware the road to the white house is steep. he's opened more powerful, progressive movement. he has change the kind of politics that is possible. think of the fact that he has raised -- was struck me about our media, by the way, the republicans rail against a little media last that. donald trump and "the new york times." it is not a liberal media. it is a corporatized media system that is rigged against

the public interest in our democracy and that is why democracy now! and the nation exist. --s media system has failed until recently, failed to cover bernie sanders and his ideas and shamefully lavished attention on donald trump. we think people have seen through that. i think the media will -- when bernie sanders raised some 70 million dollars from small donors more than president obama had in 2008. i think it is sad that we measure viability by money. people will couple stop the fact that he is unbought because he is not taking pac or corporate dollars, shows he can put forth a bold agenda and fight for it. amy: what made you decide to do this primary endorsement? you have done it twice before, jesse jackson -- >> jesse jackson of barack obama

in 2008. i don't think there's any candidate -- bernie sanders, again, has spoken to the issues, lifted up the issues, represented the issues and ideas , many of them, the key ones .hat the nation has also i mean, we believe that inequality is probably the existential crisis of our time. inequality of political power, economic power, inequality of the ability to engage the world in a different way. is speakinganders so honestly and truthfully about those issues. he doesn't do small talk well. he also goes into rooms and rouses people. the rallies were his -- were as trumps over the summer. that is why we believe at this moment that bernie sanders is for politicalle revolution, as he calls it, which is essentially

participatory democracy on steroids and is dated two up in a system that is pretty corroded. a systemded to upend that is pretty corroded. i want and new hampshire, these are two of the whitest states in the nation. thereality is, the paths of democratic nomination has to go to the cities of america to the black and brown communities of america and to what degree has bernie sanders been as active or been as well identified with the social movements around police abuse, against racial discrimination, immigration as he has among wall street battling an antiwar issues? me ofnk you for reminding what is in our editorial. we speak to this very clearly. this is a movement moment in this country. it is a fascinating moment. bernie sanders is also intersecting and lifting up the voices of those movements whether it is black lives

matter. yet have confrontations with them last summer and come forward with a very robust police abuse,ing mass incarceration. he is in dialogue with the climate movement, reproductive justice movement, pfeiffer 15, the dreamers. there is no question that he is a tough road for all of the reasons you described. those first two states, primarily white -- though, the demography has changed -- but he is very tentative, bernie sanders is, to building a larger coalition. a lot of people haven't met him yet. he is working in places like south carolina and in the states. listen, i also want to stay doesn't say the editorial notes through clinton has responded to ie populist moment -- listen, also want to say the editorial notes hillary clinton has responded to the populist movement, issues of inequality. but she would be far, far more

preferable to those people we saw on the stage last night. her foreign-policy is hawkish. i think unlike other progressive endorsements we've seen from groups, we lay out very clearly why we think there's a real distinction between hillary clinton's hawkish for policy and bernie sanders, one of the few candidates recently to say, america alone should not be policing this world as opposed to regime change, foreign-policy, nothing speak stood better vision of engagement. amy: what is your argument against hillary clinton on foreign policy, her hawkish views? >> she has come out and said it was a mistake to vote for the war authorization in a rack. have she learned a lesson from that? we argue not. libya? she was a key supporter of regime change and libya. it has become a haven for isis. she was a key supporter of assad , which has fueled an ugly civil

war. we need to find a diplomatic resolution to that crisis. she supported the iran nuclear deal but in so doing, has rejected a broader relationship with iran. and so all of those factors -- she is very much a cold war era when it comes to relations with russia. i think one power the president has is you bring a new set of people to washington. the clintons -- and i never want to link her clinton to her husband because she is her own person and her own woman, but there is a team of people, particularly in foreign policy who will be brought back in in a net context, the hope is with bernie sanders -- there's a hroject underway -- fres faces. the deep power, the deep state, but you can bring new people who could see in new ways what is possible. amy: i want to play clip of bernie sanders and hillary clinton. this is sanders taking aim at wall street, vowing to break up the biggest banks within a year of taking office. >> greed is not good.

[applause] in fact, the greed of wall street and corporate america is destroying the very fabric of our nation. [applause] and here is a new year's resolution that i will keep if elected president, and that is if wall street does not end its great, we will end it for them. in: that is bernie sanders new york. last back, hillary clinton appeared on msnbc criticizing bernie sanders, calling for single payer health care system, accusing sanders of not letting -- laying out how the plan would work or be funded. >> the only clue i can find is

to go back and look at the bills that he is introduced nine different times. it is a bit concerning to me because it would basically end all of the kinds of health care we know, medicare, medicaid, the chip program, children's health insurance program, try care for the national guard, military, affordable care at exchange policies, employer-based policies -- it would take all of that and handed over to the state. >> he calls it medicare for all. >> but medicare for all is not the same if you're turning it over to the states. if he has changed his mind after introducing that bill nine times, he owes it to the public to tell them. if he is changed his mind about having the federal government pay 86% of the cost and having states have to come up with the remaining 14% when in fact we know republican governors won't even pay for medicaid, which they're going to get initially for nothing, well, that is what

we mean. amy: that is hillary clinton. she is running scared right now. the numbers -- i mean, he is really surging, if you believe the polls. sanders is surging in iowa and new hampshire. >> the coup by all moment is over as they enter into these two states. on the wall street clip you used, there's no question there are two different visions of regulating wall street. bernie sanders talk's about breaking up the big banks, hillary clinton is more reliant on regulation. i think senator sanders is a bought and able to speak honestly about what he would do. hillary clinton has moved on those issues. on the single-payer, what struck me as how politically -- if i could, tone deaf what her clinton is doing, because medicare for all is so popular, not just the democratic base, but so many people. why not say, you know, senator

sanders may be unrealistic, we can't it to medicare for all as quickly as he is saying, and too expensive. but what she is saying, is characterizing this idea is all going to go back to the states and it will take away your obamacare, medicare, chip. he's not. she is not attributing the cost savings. we're the only western industrialized country that doesn't have health care for all . we're paying more. the pharmaceutical companies are ripping us off. she should be saying, ok, obamacare is here, but the history of american reform is we have to build on it incrementally. instead she is kind of saying, he is try to take all your health care. no, he is not. he is trying to bring in medicare for all, which is been stymied by pharmaceutical companies. i think it is a misguided attack, and i think it is misguided for her to take wall street journal editorials attribute in how we would all have to pay $15 trillion more without understanding the benefits of savings if yet a single-payer program. juan: i want to ask tom

turnipseed, if you still with us, to talk about the legacy of the politics of fear that you mentioned was shown in the republican debate. george wallace did not succeed in 1968, but he did get 13% of the vote as an independent candidate. and he probably took more voters from the democrats than he did from the republicans because that was the year that nixon beat hubert humphrey. basically, paved the way, many believe, for the republican party to begin grabbing ethnic white voters out of the democratic party. do you see in this new politics of fear any possibilities or realignment of the voters around some of the ideas of a trump are even a ted cruz? -- or even a ted cruz? >> gosh, it's hard to tell. they are appealing, and my opinion, the poor white people who feel like they have been

left out. that is a big similarity. the one thing, too, that is very, very interesting to me is of donald trump, you know, how he is really using that fear thing camino, have to be afraid of the chinese and the mexicans and so forth and so on, and then, you know, he is doing a hell of a job doing it, too. also i want to say, what to get this in, i was try to tell it in minute ago, being here in south carolina and maybe not a little whenbout what is going on,

bernie sanders came down here, he spoke to couple of african-american colleges that are predominately african-american, and got a real good reception. he is doing a good job at working the african-american when bernie sanders came downvote do. i guess hillary is still a little bit ahead with the african-american vote and maybe overall, but he is coming on strong here in south carolina, believe it or not. amy: we're going to leave it there and i want to thank you both for being with us katrina , vanden heuvel, editor and publisher of the nation magazine. for the first time in its 150 years, -- the third time, they have endorsed a candidate in the democratic primary. tom turnipseed, national director of the segregationist alabama governor george wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, calls himself a reformed racist and became a leading civil rights activist in south carolina. this is democracy now! when we come back, we go to deal with flint, michigan, the latest, not only talking about lead contamination in the water, but also at least 10 people it looks like have died of legionnaires disease.

it is an astounding story. water and democracy. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: "time dreams" a democracy now! premier. visit our website democracynow.org to hear and watch the whole song. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman and juan gonzalez. juan: protests continue in michigan calling for the resignation of governor rick snyder over the contamination

crisis his government has caused in the city of flint's water. on thursday, a large crowd rallied inside the state capitol in lansing demanding that snyder step down. >> don't let anybody tell you this is just about water. management emergency . this is about -- this is about political corruption. and he will either resign or be recalled. juan: the poisoning began in april 2014 after darnell earley, an unelected emergency manager appointed by snyder, switched flint's water source to the long polluted and corrosive flint river in a bid to save money. for over a year, flint residents complained about the quality of the water, but their cries were ignored.

in february, the government knew s alarming levels of lead showing in the water, but officials told residents there was no threat. that same month, an epa official wrote an email to the michigan department of environmental quality warning about lead contamination. no action was taken. then in july, governor snyder's chief of staff, dennis muchmore, wrote an email to health officials admitting flint residents were "basically getting blown off by us." critics say flint's health was ignored due to the political calculations of snyder's republican administration. one of the poorest cities in the country, flint has a 40% poverty rate and a majority african-american population. amy: lead can cause permanent health impacts including memory loss, developmental impairment irreversible brain damage, , speech issues, and serious chronic conditions, especially among children. at least 10 flint residents have also died from legionnaires' disease amid a surge in infections caused by the water-borne bacteria.

experts say the legionnaires outbreak may be tied to the contamination. a study released in september found the proportion of children under five in flint with elevated lead levels in their blood nearly doubled following the water switch. state officials initially dismissed those findings. but the doctor who discovered them, dr. mona hanna-attisha, refused to accept the state's denials. county officials finally acknowledged the problem by declaring a public health emergency on october 1. on thursday, dr. hanna-attisha was named the head of a new public health initiative to combat the impact on those exposed to the lead contamination. we are joined now by dr. mona hanna-attisha. this is truly astounding, dr. mona, ice you are known. can you talk about when you realized that especially children were being contaminated by lead and how the state responded? collects so in late august, we were hearing reports from the

virginia tech group that there was lead in the water and when pediatricians hear about lead anywhere, we freak out. we know lead. and lead, as you set them is a known potent reversible neurotoxin. we wanted to see if the lead in the water was getting into the bodies of children. that is when we started doing our research. what we found was alarming. the not surprising based on what we knew about the water. childrenntage in tripled -- doubled in the whole city. in some neighborhoods, it tripled. it directly correlated with where the water lead levels were the highest. so we share these results at a press conference, and you don't usually share research a press conferences. it is supposed to be sure to published medal journals, which now it is, but we h an ethical, moral, professional responsibility to alert our community about ts crisis, this emergen. juan: and the research you did come all it took was being able to go back and euro medical

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