01/19/16 01/19/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! , becauses a good day once again we are saying what is possible with strong american diplomacy. several americans unjustly detained by iran are finally coming home. amy: the united states and iran conduct a prisoner exchange just as the historic nuclear deal took effect this weekend. the freed iranian americans include "washington post" reporter jason rezaian. we will speak to another u.s. reporter who was once jailed in iran shane bauer. , then the clinton-sanders fight for the democratic nomination heats up. >> now, there are things we can

to tear itve it, but up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contingent debate, i think is the wrong direction. >> we are not going to tear up the affordable care act, i helped write it, but we are going to move on top of that to a medicaid for all system. amy: as sanders and clinton spar in their final debate before the iowa caucus we will host our own , debate between two self-described socialist feminists. one supports hillary, the other bernie sanders. then an upstate new york peace activist and grandmother is heading to jail today to begin a six-month sentence for photographing a protest at a base where u.s. drones are piloted remotely. all that and more coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman.

the u.s. and iran have conducted a prisoner exchange just as the crestor nuclear deal took effect this weekend. the u.s. freed seven iranian nationals convicted of violating economic sanctions in exchange, iran freed four americans including "washington post" reporter jason rezaian. one plus imprisonment had been secret until the strange was announced. he coincides with the implementation of the iran nuclear deal, the u.s. and other world powers have partially lifted crippling economic sanctions after the international atomic energy agency certified iran's compliance with the dismantling of its nuclear infrastructure. said a new europe in relations with iran has -- era in relations with iran has begun. >> relations between iran and

iaea are entering into a new phase. we are committed to continue our work in an impartial, nonpolitical, impartial way. amy: more later after headlines. in burkina faso, gunmen killed at least 29 civilians from seven different countries during a nine-hour long attack in ouagadougou. the attackers opened fire on a restaurant, set fire to cars and motorcycles and then holed up in , the splendid hotel, firing on passersby. al qaeda in the islamic maghreb claimed responsibility for the attack. in iraq, security forces have been going door to door, searching homes in areas of the capital baghdad after three u.s. contractors went missing. the three u.s. citizens were reportedly kidnapped by militiamen from an apartment described by some iraqi authorities as a brothel. meanwhile a new u.n. tally , describes a "staggering civilian death toll" from violence in iraq, with nearly 19,000 civilians killed from the

beginning of 2014 through october. a leading yemeni journalist has been killed in an airstrike by the u.s. backed saudi led coalition. almigdad mojalli was killed sunday morning while on assignment for voice of america. he had traveled outside the yemeni capital sanaa. he was looking for witnesses to airstrikes that killed at least 15 civilians last week when he himself was killed. here in the united states, democratic presidential candidates hillary clinton and vermont senator bernie sanders faced off in the final democratic debate before the iowa caucuses. during the spirited debate, senator sanders criticized the former secretary of state for her close ties to wall street, invoking the $5 billion settlement goldman sachs reached with regulators over its role in the financial crisis. >> secretary clinton, you're not the only one, so i don't mean to just point the finger at you, you have received over $600,000

in speaking fees from goldman sachs in one year. afind it very strange that major financial institution that pays $5 billion in fines for breaking the law, not one of their executives is prosecuted while kids who smoke marijuana get jailed time. amy: we will host a debate between two socialist feminists about hillary clinton and bernie sanders later in the broadcast. british lawmakers held a three-hour debate monday on the possibility of banning republican presidential frontrunner donald trump from entering the country. more than 570,000 people signed a petition in favor of the ban, more than any other petition submitted to the current british parliament after trump called , for banning muslims from entering the united states. labour party lawmaker tulip siddiq, who is muslim, was among those to criticize trump. >> i don't want him in my country. he clearly doesn't want me and

his country for no good reason. and that is why i don't think we should be allowing donald trump to come into our country and spread his poisonous rhetoric. amy: while they condemned trump as a buffoon and a dangerous fool, british lawmakers do not actually have the power to ban him from the country. meanwhile donald trump has also , been cited by defense attorneys for notorious mexican druglord chapo guzman, who was just recaptured by mexican authorities. el chapo's attorneys are fighting a bid to extradite him to the united states, arguing he would not receive a fair trial due to discrimination against mexicans. as evidence, they cite the words of donald trump, who has called mexicans rapists. in france, authorities have cleared and bulldozed a section of the calais refugee camp, known as the jungle. police moved in after ordering about 1500 people to leave their section of the encampment. officials want the refugees to move into shipping containers without sanitary facilities, but many have resisted, comparing the containers to a prison. in turkey, 27 academics who

signed a petition denouncing the turkish military's violent crackdown on kurdish communities have been detained and accused of spreading terrorism propaganda. the scholars were reportedly released by friday evening after being detained earlier in the day. president obama has declared a state of emergency over poisoned water in flint, michigan. the poisoning began after an unelected emergency manager appointed by michigan governor rick snyder switched flint's water supply to the long-polluted and corrosive flint river to save money. meanwhile documents obtained by , local news outlets show public health officials at the city, county and state level knew 15 , months ago about the potential link between the flint river water and a deadly outbreak of legionnaires' disease that has killed at least 10 people. people using the water were only told of the potential link last week. in a victory for indigenous people in brazil, a court has suspended the license for one of the world's largest

hydroelectric dams just weeks before operations were due to begin. the belo monte dam would divert one of the amazon's last major free-flowing waterways. indigenous groups have long protested the dam, saying it dam -- it will cause environmental devastation and mass displacement. on thursday, a judge suspended the dam's license and fined the company, norte energia, and the brazilian government, for failing to provide adequate support to indigenous groups impacted by the dam. in washington state, a jury has cleared five climate justice activists who blocked a mile-long oil train of obstruction charges in a historic case. the so-called delta 5 were found guilty of trespassing but will , not face any jail time. in a historic move, judge anthony howard had allowed the activists to use the necessity defense, arguing their actions were necessary because of the threat of climate change. although, the judge ultimately instructed the jury not to consider that defense. activists said a number of the

jurors were deeply impacted by the case and agreed to attend a lobbying day on oil trains with one of the defendants. the family of an african-american motorist shot dead by a university of cincinnati police officer has reached a $5.3 million settlement with the university. the deal includes a $4.85 million payment and free undergraduate tuition for samuel dubose's 12 children. officer ray tensing faces trial for murder after fatally shooting dubose in what the prosecutor called a senseless, asinine shooting. in california, black lives matter protesters shut down traffic on the westbound side of the bay bridge connecting oakland and san francisco as part of what they said was an monday attempt to reclaim the radical legacy of martin luther king, jr. the protesters passed chains through car windows, locked

themselves to the bridge and , unfurled a banner that read "black health matters." , about 25 people were arrested. and director spike lee and actress jada pinkett smith say they will boycott the oscars this year after no actors of color were nominated for a second year in a row. while movies about african-americans like "straight "creed" orpton" and nominated, they want to white actors and writers. the african-american directors and actors were excluded. jada pinkett smith, wife of actor will smith, whom many thought would be nominated for his role in the film "concussion," released a video message on martin luther king day. askinging or even diminishes dignity and diminishes power stuff and we are dignified people and we are

powerful. and let's not forget it. amy: academy president cheryl boone isaacs said in a statement she was heartbroken and frustrated about the lack of inclusion and "it's time for big change." and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the u.s. and iran have conducted a prisoner exchange just as the historic nuclear deal took effect. u.s. freed seven iranian nationals convicted of violating economic sanctions in exchange, .ran freed four americans have beenonment secret until the exchange was announced. jason rezaian's detention was the most well-known, he was arrested in july 2014 and held on charges including espionage. rezaian is a bureau chief of

"the washington post" which has always maintained his innocence and let an international campaign for his release. jason rezaian's cousin welcomed his freedom. >> it is spectacular news. we are just so happy. can't wait to see him. just hope he is in good health am you know. i hope he is getting flown to switzerland to get medical attention, so really happy to hear that. amy: the four americans have been flown to u.s. base in germany to undergo medical checkups and meet with their families. the release was almost a railed after iranian authorities detained rezaian's wife and mother at the tehran airport. a fifth american national was released separately from the prisoner swap and is returned to the united states. the seven prisoners released by , six of them hold dual

u.s.-iranian citizenship. all of them have been accused or convicted of exporting goods and services to iran in violation of trade sanctions. the u.s. has also agreed to drop charges against 14 others. the exchange coincides with the implementation of the array nuclear deal. as. and other world powers partially lifted crippling economic sanctions after the international atomic energy agency certified rains veterans complaints with the dismantling of its nuclear infrastructure. iran can now access tens of billions of dollars of his own money frozen overseas and richer the global oil market and financial institutions. there is still an embargo that prevents u.s. congress from doing business in a rent and just announced new sanctions over iranian ballistic missile test. although republican critics wrongly claimed the u.s. is giving around money instead of simply letting it access its own funds, there actually will be american money flowing to iran as the deal to effect, the u.s. announced it would pay a rent

back for a weapons purchase that was never actually delivered. in the 1970's, the assault over $400 million in weapons to the autocratic government headed by the shawl, but never sent the weapons because the shop was overthrown. after nearly four decades, iran has now gotten its money back with interest, some 1.3 billion dollars. the prisoner swap was negotiated severally from the iran nuclear deal over a 14 month process will stop on sunday, president obama praised the exchange saying it proves what is possible with diplomacy. what's today's progress, americans coming home, in a rent that has rolled back its nuclear program and accepted unprecedented monitoring of that program, these things are a reminder of what we can achieve when we lead with strength and wisdom. with courage and resolve and patience. america can do and has done big things when we work together. leave this world and make

it more safer and secure for our children and grandchildren, for generations to come post of amy: for more we are joined by guest who has firsthand experience with imprisonment in iran. shane bauer spend more than two years in prison, four solitary after he and two other americans , now his wife sarah short and josh for tall, recaptured in july 2009 while hiking. shane bauer is an award-winning senior reporter at mother jones and co-author of the memoir "a , sliver of light: three americans imprisoned in iran." shane, welcome back to democracy now! your thoughts today? is certainly were, for a long time,men were who have been rel. >> thanks for having me, amy. i was ecstatic to hear this news . when i heard all of them had gotten released, my mind immediately went back to that moment when i was flying out of iran with joshua for tall.

i remember hitting the tarmac in oman, singer families. there's nothing that has ever compared to that of my life and i'm sure that will be true for them as well. amy: can you talk about the prisoner exchange and what this means? has been, iran arresting innocent americans for years, detaining innocent americans for years and this is very much part of the rents foreign-policy. when i was in prison, my , a coupleor told me of month into my interrogation, he knew i was innocent but our case was political and that our release was dependent on political negotiations. that was clear from the beginning. this was the same with these four americans. iran, i think, sees its detention of americans as a way to exert pressure on the united states, whether or not that is true.

it also may act as a kind of insurance policy for iran. it always has these american citizens to kind of dangle over u.s. government head. the fact that iran released these four americans, you know, the day international sanctions were lifted, it's usually -- i mean, it is a great sign of progress between, you know, the easing of tensions between u.s. and iran. amy: i wanted to turn to hillary clinton. killer clinton and the debate that was held on sunday night. in a moment, we will have a two socialist feminists, one who supports bernie sanders and one who supports hillary clinton. but let me ask you about what she said during the debate, shame, if you could talk about her view on iranian sanctions. actually, when it was

announced these americans were getting out on saturday, just hours after their release, hillary clinton called for new sanctions on iran. thought it wase, very responsible. i mean, these americans were still on the ground in iran, as you said, there was issues with jason's wife being to tame. it wasn't there what was going to happen. and she chose to make this provocative statement at that time, which directly put their freedom in jeopardy. amy: let's go to on the republican side to the response to what has taken place. i want to turn to marco rubio, one of the republican presidential hopefuls, his reaction to the prisoner swap. >> we got great news today that there are some americans that are coming home. the you know why they were being captured and held hostage in the first place?

because they know if you take an american hostage, barack obama will cut a deal with you. and it has created an enormous incentive for people in countries and movements around the world to do this against us. amy: your response? >> this is just inaccurate. the idea that iranwill cut a deal with them if they take prisoners doesn't have president. i mean, there was the 79 hostages, but these years that iran has been taking prisoners, they haven't been getting really anything out of it. concrete. the u.s. has not been giving them in exchange for their prisoners. you can't conflate iran with isis. iran is not detaining americans because it thinks it is going to get some kind of ransom or there is a price on their head the way there is for americans, you know, that have been detained by isis. iran is using this as a political maneuver. like i said, iran releasing

these americans is a sign that, you know, hopefully, we are what isthis era of basically hostage-taking by iran. but this is dependent in part on our relationship with iran, on our ability to release, to ease these tensions. amy: i want to go back to hillary clinton. on sunday, cnn's jake tapper questioned democratic hillary clinton on her calls for fresh sanctions against iran. he read out your tweets shane , bauer, criticizing her comments. >> on saturday, you call for new sanctions against iran for its ballistic missile program. that prompted a response from another american who was once held prisoner in iran, shane bauer, one of the hikers released in 2011. he has some tough words for you writing on twitter -- totally irresponsible. he also said, whenever he was in iran, when he heard your voice,

his heart would sink because "all she ever does with a rent is inflamed tensions." i want to give you a chance to respond. >> i appreciate what he went through when he was held prisoner in the infamous iranian prison and we were very happy that we were able to get him and the two other hikers back home. that we have a very clear path we are pursuing with iran. i am pleased that we do have an agreement that it -- that is being of limited. i was part of putting that in place by getting the sanctions imposed on her and that the entire world would along with. but we also have made it clear from the beginning that their missile activity is still subject to sanctions. that is part of the overall approach that the administration has taken toward iran and that i support. so when --

amy: that was hillary clinton on cnn. shane bauer, your response to what she said and also, you had dealings with hillary clinton. she was secretary of state during your time in captivity and when you were released, right, you met her? >> yeah, clinton was secretary of state the entire time i was in prison in iran. you know, in those tweets i was inerring to times when i was prison. i remember hearing -- the first time i heard hillary clinton's was in a neighboring cell, summit he had a television, and iran to the door and was kind of listening. she basically demanded that iran released us. issueecame an ongoing that, frankly, was difficult for us in prison. clinton would kind of demand that iran act and of course,

iran is not going to do something when the u.s. is just telling it to do so. so it always, and the felt like, now have to settle into a couple of more months in prison. our release was really initiated by oman. oman saw it in its interest, really, it's all our release as part of a larger game in starting nuclear talks between the u.s. and iran, which it saw as benefiting oman because they did not one escalations between the two countries. ,man is really close to iran and indicate a military conflict would have impacted its economy. oman believed if it could get us out of prison, it could use that to haveof negotiation nuclear talks in the future. there wasn't really a channel of negotiation. i mean, there was a negotiation between the u.s.-iran over our goingit was more of oman

back-and-forth between each country and try to convince them to do something. the man who was in charge of this was constantly frustrated by hillary clinton. he would feel like he got close to a deal in getting us out, and then she would make some kind of public provocation with iran. obviously, we were released and that channel was ultimately used to set the groundwork for the nuclear talks in the future. as far as her response to those statements, i mean, she didn't address the fact that she was putting americans lives at risk. and i think the question is, why is it so important to make these -- to show you are being top with iran when, you know, these people are about to get out in a few hours? as far as the issue of the new sanctions, new sanctions were actually implemented the day

after she made -- the obama administration announced after these americans had left iran that they were going to be new sanctions on iran. these new sanctions are much, much more limited than the old sanctions. i mean, they're really targeted sanctions, targeting a few individuals and companies, not when you be draining iran's economy like these old sanctions. but at the same time, i think we need to be thinking about the bigger picture, what is our goal with iran? what are we trying to do? are we trying to ease tensions with the country or are, you know, continue this hostility? a rent a nobody wants have ballistic missiles program, which is what these sanctions are targeting. but we also, you know, when we have such a huge breakthrough like this, i think it is important for us to step back and think about, ok, how are we going to use this momentum and go forward? >> robert levinson has still not

been released. he is a retired fbi agent who vanished after traveling to the iranian island in march 2007. whose a retired fbi agent family confirmed to his doing independent work for the cia. his family angry because the only learned of the prisoner swap that of course did not include levinson on television. shane? >> right. levinson has been missing for years. i sympathize with his family. as far as -- really, we don't know where he is exactly. his situation has always been different from the other americans detained by iran. it is not care whether the iranian government knows or he is or not stop it is not even clear whether he is in iran. there are indications he might be in pakistan. we just don't know right now. amy: what advice do you have for

the prisoners are returning and how to cope? you're held in prison for more than two years. >> these guys are entering a new phase of their detention. in many ways, it is over, but it is also, you know, it is not. there is when we difficulties in readjusting, inevitably. i think they need to take it slow. i think they need to resist pressure to, you know, stand up front of the cameras. they need to spend time with their families and loved ones. really, they just need to do what feels right for them. nobody, including myself or anybody else who has been in the situation, knows what it is -- knows what is going to work with them and getting back into the life. amy: shane, thank you for being with us, award winning senior reporter at mother jones and co-author of the memoir, "a sliver of light: three americans imprisoned in iran." he spent 26 months in tehran's

evin prison, four of them in solitary. this is democracy now! when we come back, debate on bernie sanders and hillary clinton. two socialist feminist talk about their positions. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in the final democratic debate before the iowa caucus, hillary clinton clashed with bernie sanders in their most contentious debate so far. senator sanders criticized the former secretary of state for her close ties to wall street while clinton cast herself as , the political heir to president obama. clinton repeatedly praised obama's affordable care act while warning about sanders' plan for a single payer system. >> now, there are things we can do to improve it, but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate, i think is the wrong direction.

>> we're not going to tear up the affordable care act. i helped write it, but we are going to move on top of that to medicare for all. amy: hillard clinton also attacked bernie sanders over his record on guns. >> i have made it clear based on senator sanders own record that he has voted with the nra with the gun lobby numerous times. he voted against the brady bill five times. he voted for what we call the charleston loophole. >> i think it -- secretary clinton knows what she says is very disingenuous. voting record for the nra. amy: senator sanders criticized clinton for accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from wall street. >> how corrupt the system is. goldman sachs recently fined $5 billion. goldman sachs has given this country two have

secretaries of treasury, one of the republicans, one on the democrats. the leader of goldman sachs is a billionaire who comes to congress and tells us we should cut social security medicare and medicaid. secretary clinton, you are not build one, so i don't mean to just point the finger at you, you received over $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs in one year. i find it very strange that a major financial institution that pays $5 billion in fines for breaking the law, not one of their executives is prosecuted while kids who smoke marijuana get a jail sentence. amy: in their closing remarks both candidates brought up the water crisis in flint michigan where the city's water supply lead afternated by was switched to the long polluted flint river in a bid to save money. lester, i spent a lot of time

last week being outraged by what is happening in flint, michigan, and i think every single american should be outraged. we have had a city in the united states of america where the population, which is poor in many ways and majority african american, has been drinking and bathing in lead contaminated water. and the governor of that state acted as though he did not really care. yet request for help that he basically stone walled. i will tell you what, if the kids in a rich suburb of detroit had been drinking contaminated water and being bathed in it, there would have been action. so us that my top campaign -- i sent my top campaign aide down there to talk to the mayor of flint to see what i could do to help. i issued a statement about what we needed to do, then i went on a tv show and i said it was outrageous that the governor had not acted. and within two hours, he had.

[applause] >> secretary clinton was right and i did, which i think was also right, is demanded the resignation of the governor. a man who acts that are responsibly should not stay in power. amy: while the debate focused largely on centers former , maryland governor martin o'malley brought up several issues at the end of the debate that hadn't been discussed. >> we have not fully discussed immigration reform and the deplorable number of immigrant detention camps we are now maintaining. yet not discussed the shameful treatment -- treatment puerto ricans are being treated with by these hedge funds that are working them over. discussed the fact that in our own hemisphere, we have the danger of nations dates failures because of drug traffickers in honduras and guatemala and el salvador. amy: we're joined now by two guests liza featherstone is a , contributing editor to the nation. her recent piece is headlined, "why this socialist feminist is not voting for hillary."

she is the editor of the forthcoming volume titled, "fall choice is, the faux feminism of hillary clinton." is also with us teaches at northeastern , university. her recent piece for the nation is headlined, "why this socialist feminist is for hillary." she is also the editor of the feminist journal signs and the author of numerous books, including most recently, "the tolerance trap: how god, genes, and good intentions are sabotaging gay equality." professor walters, let's begin with you. why are you supporting hillary clinton is a democratic socialist, and what does it mean to you? >> of supporting her for a lot of reasons. certainly, i should say that as i said in a piece, i love burning. a sort of consider myself a supporter of both of them. if bernie is the nominee, i will work but myt offer him.

if hillary is the nominee, i will work for her. i think we have wonderful candidates. i am thrilled to see that. i should also say i'm thrilled to see how they are conducting themselves in such collegiality and substance in these debates. i'm supporting hillary for a number of reasons. i think she is a centrist turning left centrist of a crowd. i think bernie has pushed her much further to the left and kudos to him and his campaign for doing that. she is taken much more progressive positions since this campaign season started. but i'm also supporting her very honestly and forthrightly and probably because she is a man. and i have -- i have no problem saying that. we have voted with our gender for over 200 years, and that vote has resulted in the gender male being in office for over 200 years. the significance of having a woman break that glass ceiling

cannot be overestimated. i just think it is incredibly important, just as it was incredibly important to have an african-american president breakthrough that ceiling. so the fact that she is a feminist, that she is, you know, leaning toward progressive democratic this point, obviously, qualified for the job -- all of those things lead me to support hillary. but again i should say, i support hillary and i support learning. -- bernie. i love his candidacy as well. amy: liza featherstone, talk about why you're supporting bernie sanders. >> well, i'm supporting bernie sanders because he actually is a socialist and a feminist candidate. exactlylking about things that would make life better for the majority of women -- single-payer health care, giving women the women are most

like you to go to medical debt. women have the highest health care costs and most likely to be poor heads of families. he is talking about raising the on aum wage to $15, riding grassroots movement that is calling for that right now most of again, women are the majority of low-wage workers. so these are the kinds of things that would really improve life -- as well as for many other americans and it is exciting to see that. amy: what does tim accredit socialism mean to you -- what does democratic socialism mean to you? because somey people have said to me since i wrote the piece in the nation, sanders is not really a socialist because socialism is workers sharing the means of production, and sanders is not

calling for that. well, good point. he is not calling for that because that would be a fairly radical for an american public that has often been exposed to socialist ideas. however, he is calling for socializing a lot of things -- health care, higher education. amy: on health care what it means. you hear hillary clinton slamming him saying we're just directed obamacare and you're talking about tearing it down. what exactly is calling for, how single payer, how you take the road from obamacare to single care -- single-payer. he is calling for getting rid of private health care, private health insurance companies, like the entire private insurance industry. which, as anyone who deals with health care in the sense of trying to access it for themselves knows, it would be --

would be a really great thing. he is effectively talking about expanding medicare, public health insurance, which is now enjoyed by senior citizens, to everybody. and that is something that works very well in many other , andries such as canada would greatly improve our health care outcomes and quality of life. amy: professor walters, your views on health care and hillary clinton's attack on bernie sanders around pushing for medicare for all? >> it was an interesting moment in the debate, actually. again, one of the more substantive ones, which am always glad to see the democrats doing. the republicans simply don't have substantive debates. i agree with liza. i am for socialized medicine and for universal health care, absolutely.

i think the debate is a strategic one and a tough one. paul krugman had an interesting piece in "the times goes with the other day, arguing it simply cannot be done, that the best chance we have given there has been such enormous pushback i think by the republicans, i don't think any bill has been so attacked as this one in history, and so many repeals sent to the president's desk, that hillary strategy boosting up, enhancing, making it better in terms of the affordable care act is a winnable strategy this political context versus the strategy of medicare for all, opening up to bye debate and more -- republicans. i don't of was correct. i hope bernie is right. i fear and less -- unless there is a real change in the makeup of the house and the senate that it is just not going to happen.

if a proposal for medicare for all were for a version really creating a robust specialized medicine and health care program in this country, unless there was a fundamental change in the makeup, it just of the could not happen. on a strategic level, you know, i'm somewhat convinced by s argument. krugman' i believe in universal health. for me, it is an interesting issue to took debate within the democratic party -- intesting d stradebate within the democratic party. i don't pretend to be an expert in this to know who is actually accurate. i do think this is a debate well worth having without demonizing one side or the other on it. it is largely i think a question of real strategy. and a lot of that is dependent, not just on an individual, whether there is a hillary or

burning an office, but what happens to the rest of the makeup of our governing bodies. amy: liza featherstone, you wrote a book on walmart. based in arkansas and hillary clinton on the board of walmart for many years. your thoughts? >> she served on the board of walmart for many years and in fact she was brought on by the walton family because thewere concerned about getting criticism most of this was very early days, years before the betty dukes lawsuit that i wrote about in which women sued walmart for sex discrimination. but they were concerned about getting criticism about the position of women in the company, so they brought her clinton on the board at the time she was first lady of arkansas. -- she did not really do anything to address the situation of women at the

company, but more surprisingly to me, she hasn't in recent years ever said anything. when people ask her, and you have any comments is such a prominent woman claiming , runningcredentials for president of the united states, you have any comments about this company or you served on the board and the company was later the target of the largest sex discrimination suit in history? you know, she hasn't -- she hasn't walked it back will stop she has a really said anything at all about it. and i think -- i think it is indicative. i think hillary clinton really represents a kind of a lien in feminism, feminism for the elite. i think some people will look to her as breaking glass ceilings,

but i think her attitude toward her time at walmart indicates her attitude for the vast majority of working class -- amy: one of her fiercest criticisms of sanders was his positions on guns. though he said he got a d- from the national rival association. woman is the biggest gun and ammunition seller in the country. did she weigh in on that as a board member? >> not as far as i know. i think that is an interesting thing that people should be asking her more about. amy: suzanna walters, your position on hillary clinton's position on the board of walmart -- not to mention the issues of wages for workers, etc.? ,> look, she has a decidedly like most politicians and people in public life, decidedly mixed history, absolutely. what i like her to be less hawkish? you bet.

what i like her to be more outspoken on any number of things? absolutely. but i think we need to look at where she stands now and the positions she is taking now. she's been a firm supporter of questions of wage equity, reproductive rights -- there is a reason why planned parenthood went out of its way to endorse her in this way. she has called for more funding for planned parenthood, farook kill of the hyde amendment. you know, i think she is a strong advocate of women's rights in a wide range. , also would say this kind of issue a leading feminist or this can a feminist, you know, i feel anyone, most of our major leaders, people who reach this level of political life make all kinds of compromises, are deeply comprised people in their politics. they are not radical feminists. i'm not expecting that. so i guess my expectations for

all of this are quite different, that people are complicated, a mixed bag, good on some things and not good on other things. that is why, you know, i write the criticism about bernie and guns. i actually think you would do fine on guns. i don't it is a justified criticism. he could've been tougher. you know, he would do just fine if he was president. he would do the right thing. amy: suzanna walters, do you think it is fair to raise bill clinton and his past, the allegations of him around women and course of sexual relations, not exactly because it was never brought ultimately into court of law, when talking about hillary clinton? >> you know what, i don't think it is fair. it is not even a matter of fair. and think of what it reveals is some of the kind of misogyny going on in this campaign. look, it would be crazy not to think that a woman, a viable

woman candidate, is going to ignite all kinds of layton, not so latent, explicit, not so explicit misogyny that is never far from the surface of the neck and culture. we saw it with obama and the kind of disgusting racism that trailed every bit of his presidency, and i'm sure will his post-presidency. so the kinds of focus on her marriage, bill, their history, who cares? ridiculous,solutely pointless. let us talk about the issues. it is a fair debate. you think she's too hawkish? fine, don't support her. you think berni is a better candidatee? wonderful. anyway,emonize her in to demonize her because of her marriage or because of her husband, to demonize her because of her gender seems to me mistaken, and a way in which the left often eats itself.

this sort of tearing at each other. we have a real demon out there -- more than one. the republican party has been taken over by such right-wing ideologues who aren't vehemently and expensively racist, sexist, homophobic. so i do fear in ripping ourselves apart, we don't see the long game, which is making sure this country does not get in the hands of these kinds of usks who would damage all of , and things that will agree on would be completely undermined. amy: let me bring liza featherstone in on the issue of bringing in bill clinton's record. personally a professionally. stance actually like the that bernie sanders has taken on , andof not bringing it up appreciate the spirit in which

suzanna is saying the same. but actually, some of the allegations, i mean, a 72-year-old woman who many years ago says that many years ago she was raped by bill clinton. and many people have found her charges pretty credible. there has also been questions of hillary being instrumental in some kind of cover-up or some kind of pressure on her to retract those charges or to be quiet. and i have no idea what happened. i have no idea whether those they -- those things are true, but actually don't think of those things should be dismissed. i think our woman in power treats a much less powerful woman who has accused a powerful is of raping her actually

important. i think some of these -- i think sometimes the questions about bill's behavior due spillover into questions about hillary that perhaps really should be addressed. as opposed to, i mean, why did she leave him after monica? who cares? >> i would only respond, certainly, i agree, some of it is grist for the mill, but the question about broderick -- look, there are just as many people who don't find it credible, the delhi her accusations credible -- who don't find her accusations credible. i guess i would say, let us be very careful about both about the probing of the personal lives in intimate lives and sexual lives of candidates and the different ways we do evaluate those in terms of a gender of the candidates. whichso about the ways in

that can reveal a kind of displacement around substantive issues. there a lot of substantive issues about differences between bernie and hillary that we should talk about. let's do it. we have done some of it. liza has done some wonderful work about the differences in terms of health care policies, their differences in terms of -- you know, the difference of how they would treat the wage increases in minimum wage. there are differences. now, i would also say the other thing we should focus on is the incredible commonalities that the two of them have. you know, what is been impressive to me again about these debates is where you see the real lines of similarity and commonality and shared vision and sheer belief system are the two major democratic party candidates. you have some similarity on the republican side in a way that terrifies me. we tend on the left only focus on the differences between us. again, i think we do a

disservice because when it comes to whoever is the democratic nominee, we all need to commit to working for him or her. and i can tell you, i will. hillary, my heart is open either one. i will send myself and the field, get my kid going on it, and i think we all need to do that. amy: we have to leave it there. we will continue this debate, suzanna walters, teaches at northeastern university. her recent piece for the nation is headlined "why this socialist , feminist is for hillary." liza featherstone, contribute in editor to the nation, thank you for being with us, supporting bernie sanders. the nation magazine come up only the third time in its 150 year history to support a candidate within the democratic primary, and they came out for bernie sanders. ton we come back, we go ithaca, new york, a grandmother about to go to jail for six months involved with an anti-drone protest. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in upstate new york, a peace activist, grandmother, heading to gel today to begin a six-month sentence for photraphing a protest for a base where u.s. drones are piloted remotely. she is been ordered protection to keep her away from the base after she participated in act of civil disobedience in 2012. in 2013, she says she attended activistiece -- peace and photographed it. she was later told the base class property extended to the road. she was later sentenced to a year in prison for violating section order earlier this month and told her conviction had been upheld at her sentence reduced to six months and was ordered to report to prison today. well, just before she is remanded, mary anne grady flores joins us now, i never of the upstate coalition to ground the drones and end the wars, group

that staged a series of protest against the drone war over the past six years. we're joined by jonathan wallace , an attorney of -- who has worked extensively with the drone resistance movement. marianne, your thoughts today before you head to jail? >> thank you, amy, for having me on. and all of the people that are doing the resistance of extrajudicial killing, very grateful to have this moment to shed the light on the issues. i am grateful to have incredible support and there has been an amazing just people coming forward and trying to do what they can to support me. but what i want to say is, let's bring the focus back on the real but arms. i am not bug splat, which is the name of the program that the drone pilots use to do the violation of international law

right from hancock air base, which is basically in my backyard. i fly in and out of syracuse airport, so on one side of the airport is international airport. but then you have the national guard base where there is killing going on, drone pilots are sitting there firing and violating the sovereignty laws, violating due process, and then continuing the assassination program that is begun by the obama administration. and everybody from the top down. and so we go -- as a community, we go to the base and we have been -- we are very grateful for the drone highlights that have come out to say -- the four were very grateful

for them. i would invite everybody to bring those young men to their campuses and two different places to speak out and tell us what they know from the inside because the word is out that drone strikes are affecting and feeding into the terror that has been growing. after the pairs attack him of these young men were saying, this is alarming what is going on. but our strikes, because they know from the inside out, our strikes are killing civilians. amy: limit ask jonathan wallace, six months, actually send its two-year, talking about mary anne grady flores plus photographing this protest. why the sentence? >> i think there is been a big glitch, bill -- big malfunction

of the legal system that hopefully we will be able to a crack on -- corrected on appeal. there's a huge first amendment issue, taking photographs is a first amendment rejected activity, demonstrating is a protected activity. these orders of protection are a thatinted form with blanks police and prosecutors fill out every day to protect battered spouses and witnesses who are -- john amy: amy: mary anne grady flores, would you do again what you did that has now led -- amy: i was basically a part of the support group that went there with eight catholics. because it was ash wednesday, day of atonement in our tradition, and is catholic workers, we went and test amy: we have five seconds. , we'rene grady flores going to continue the discussion

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