03/07/16 03/07/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> i believe the governor of this state should understand that his dereliction of duty was it responsible. he should resign. shouldree the governor resign or be recalled. >> store and you legally purchase -- amy: in a rare moment of agreement during last night's democratic presidential debate in flint, michigan, hillary clinton and bernie sanders both called for michigan governor rick snyder's resignation over

the poisoning of flint's water. but for the rest of the evening, the repeatedly sparred. >> if you go to a gun store and you legally purchase a gun and then three days later, you go out and you start killing people , is the point of this lawsuit to hold the gun shop owner or the manufacturer of that gun liable? >> we talk about corporate greed , the gunman defectors sell guns to make as much money -- manufacturers sell guns to make as much money as they can make. amy: will hillary clinton finally leased transcripts of her paint paid speeches? >> i will be happy to release anything i have as long as everyone else does, too. i am your democratic opponent. i release it. here it is. there ain't nothing. i don't give speeches to wall street for hundreds of thousands of dollars. you got it.

amy: we'll speak with congresswoman yvette clarke of new york and congressman raul grijalva. then we stay in flint for more from our democracy now! special, "thirsty for democracy: the poisoning of an american city." all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. the race for the democratic nomination intensified this weekend as firm a sender -- bernie sanders beat hillary clinton at caucuses in maine, kansas and nebraska. but clinton easily won in louisiana. so far, clinton has won 658 delegates to sanders' 471 during the first 19 primaries and caucuses. in addition, hillary clinton has secured an overwhelming number

of unelected super delegates made up from the party establishment. clinton and sanders sparred during a debate in flint, michigan, sunday night. we will have more after headlines. on the republican side, senator ted cruz defeated donald trump in the kansas and maine caucuses, while trump won in louisiana and kentucky. trump called for florida senator marco rubio to drop out of the race, saying he wanted to take on ted cruz one-on-one. the rubio won the primary in puerto rico, sweeping all 23 delegates. retired neurosurgeon ben carson, meanwhile, has suspended his campaign and ohio governor john kasich has picked up the endorsement of actor and former california governor arnold schwarzenegger, who is said to replace donald trump on the reality tv show "the apprentice." as a republican establishment seeks to block trump from taking the nomination, one possible strategy is for rubio and kasich

to remain in the race, dividing the delegates in the hopes of producing a brokered convention. meanwhile, outside groups are reportedly gearing up just been millions of dollars on anti-trump attacked ads in florida and illinois ahead of key contests there. speaking in florida over the weekend, trump said he would broaden laws on torture. >> we are going to rebuild our military. we're going to knock out isis so violently and so fast. they chop off heads. they do things we have not seen since medieval times. and we are worried about waterboarding. wait, sit down. let me just tell you. excuse me. i want to stay within the laws. right now we have the laws. i want to make those laws stronger so that we can better compete with a vicious group of animals, ok? amy: turkey's largest newspaper has been taken over by the authorities.

on friday, turkish police raided the offices of zaman newspaper after a court ruling put the newspaper under state control without giving any reason. the next day, as thousands rallied to defend the newspaper, police fired rubber bullets and tear gas. dozens reportedly collapsed after being overcome by the gas. sunday's edition of the newspaper featured a new, propagandistic, pro-government line, while former zaman staff launched a new paper of their own. zaman's former editor in chief was fired in the takeover. he said it was a dark period for turkey. for thes been heavy last three or four years that anyone speaking against the government policies is facing either court cases were prison or such control by the government. i think this is a dark period for our country, for our

democracy. i don't think this dark period will continue. it cannot be sustained and it cannot be continued. amy: meanwhile, hundreds of women gathered in istanbul, defying a ban to rally for gender equality ahead of tuesday's international women's day. riot police fired rubber bullets to disperse the crowd, but protester guris ozen said women would not back down. >> we have always said that we would never leave the streets for the march 8 demonstrations, and we never will. neither the police nor the government can stop us. you see, the power of women. we are here despite every obstacle and we will continue to fight for our cause. amy: the repression in turkey comes as turkish prime minister meets with european union leaders in brussels over the largest refugee crisis since world war ii. turkey is also seeking to advance its bid to join the european union. on at least 25 people drowned sunday, off the turkish coast attempting to reach greece. on the greek border with

macedonia, thousands of refugees remain stranded as macedonia has tightly restricted who can cross. a man from the war-town city of aleppo, syria called for open , borders, appealing to german chancellor angela merkel. [indiscernible] want, open the door. amy: in slovakia, an extreme-right-wing party has made surprising gains in the elections, picking up 14 parliamentary seats. the people's party-our slovakia is led by marian kotleba, known for his past ties neo-nazism, including his decision to wear a uniform modeled after the world war ii-era militia of the nazi-sponsored slovak state. the party of slovakia's prime minister's - who himself has campaigned against refugees finished first in the polls. , slovakia takes over the presidency of the council of the

european union in july. in iraq, a suicide bomber detonated a fuel tanker laden with explosives, killing dozens of people at a checkpoint in hilla south of baghdad, near the site of ancient babylonian ruins. reuters said at least 60 people had been killed and more than 70 wounded in what it called the second deadliest suicide attack this year. isil has claimed responsibility. it was the third major bombing around baghdad in just over a week. in yemen, gunmen attacked a nursing home founded by mother teresa in the southern city of aden, killing at least 16 people, including six nuns. the violence came as the united nations reported about twice as many civilians had been killed in yemen in february as in the previous month, marking the highest monthly casualty toll since september. rupert colville, spokesperson for the office of the u.n. high commissioner for human rights, said most of the casualties came from airstrikes by the

u.s.-backed, saudi-led coalition fighting houthi rebels in yemen. >> civilian casualties continue to mount in yemen during the month of february, a total of at killed60 civilians and over 190 injured. amy: the world has reached a new climate change milestone. on thursday, for a brief period, the average temperature in the northern hemisphere was more than two degrees celsius above normal for the first time in recorded history. that two-degree marker marker has been accepted by governments around the world as a key red line to avoid the most catastrophic impacts of global warming. this comes after february became the most unusually warm month on record, smashing the record set the month before. in a victory for reproductive rights, the supreme court has temporarily blocked a louisiana law critics say would have shut down all but one abortion clinic in the state.

the law required abortion providers to obtain admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, a task many cannot achieve in part due to anti-choice sentiment. the court said its decision was consistent with a prior ruling blocking part of a similar, sweeping anti-choice law in texas. the decision on the louisiana friday came just two days after the supreme court heard a challenge to the texas anti-choice law, marking the most important abortion case in a generation. a decision is expected in june. in west virginia, the legislature has approved a measure allowing people to carry a concealed firearm without having a permit. lawmakers overrode a veto by democratic governor earl ray tomblin. the measure was opposed by police, that -- but backed by the national rifle association. former first lady nancy reagan, widow of president ronald reagan, has died from congestive heart failure at the age of 94.

nancy reagan is perhaps best known for her ad campaign urging people to "just say no" to drugs, part of a wider escalation of the war on drugs. later in life, nancy reagan split with conservatives to become an advocate for stem cell research after caring for her husband as he suffered from alzheimer's. and in honduras thousands of , people gathered at the home of assassinated environmentalist berta caceres, to pay their final respects to one of the leading advocates for indigenous land rights in honduras. berta caceres, who won the goldman environmental prize last year, was gunned down at her home early thursday. she had received repeated death threats over her opposition to mining and dam projects, including the agua zarca dam. in a statement, vermont senator patrick leahy called for the dam project to be abandoned. caceres' supporters, including lesly flores, vowed to continue her struggle.

>> i am saying goodbye to her for the last time, but the truth is, berta has not died. she lives on in our hearts. they have not actually killed her. berta is a seed we have left with. it will germinate day after day and we as women will continue the fight. we are not scared. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. on sunday night, hillary clinton and bernie sanders squared off at a cnn debate in flint, michigan. both used the opening statements to call for the resignation of michigan republican governor rick snyder for his role in the poisoning of flint's water supply. >> i had the opportunity to meet with a number of residents of flint at a town meeting, and i have to tell you, what i heard and what i saw literally shattered me and it was beyond

belief that children in flint, michigan in the united states of 2016 aren the year being poisoned. i believe the governor of this state should understand that his their election of duty was irresponsible. he should resign. [applause] >> secretary clinton? >> i have very grateful that my request that we hold this debate here so we can continue to shine a very bright spotlight on what has happened in this city. i agree, the governor should resign or be recalled. i know the state of michigan has a rainy day fund for emergencies . what is more important than the health and well-being of the people, particularly children? it is raining lead in flint, and the state is derelict in not coming forward with the money

that is required. amy: cnn moderator anderson cooper asked them what candidate measures should be taken against those responsible for the flint water crisis. >> secretary clinton, you have now both called for the governor to greeks -- to resign. previously, you had not called for that you're calling for that tonight. it is easy to blame the republican governor rick snyder. the federal government also dropped the ball. the epa knew for months and months, never one of people of flint not to drink the water as president, would you fire the head of the epa? >> i think the people here in the region who knew about this and failed to follow what you just said rightly the wall -- law required, have been eliminated from the epa. >> so far one person has resigned. >> i would certainly be launching an investigation. i was told some of the higher-ups were pushing to get

changes that were not happening. i would have a full investigation, determine who knew what when and, yes, people should be fired. how far up it went, i don't know. but as far as it goes, they should be released because they failed this city. but let me add this, anderson. this is not the only place where this kind of action is needed. we have a lot of communities right now in our country where the level of toxins in the water, including lead, are way above what anybody should tolerate. we have a higher rate of tested lead in people in cleveland than in flint. so i'm not satisfied with just doing everything we must do for flint. i want to tackle this problem across the board. and if people know about it and they are not acting, and they are in the government at any level, they should be forced to resign.

crack sanders, would a president sanders fire the head of the epa? >> president sanders would fire anybody who knew about what was happening and did not act appropriately polls. and president sanders would make the point that how does it happen in the wealthiest country in the history of the world? what are our priorities when among others, republicans today are fighting for hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks for the wealthiest people? how did we have so much money available to go to war in iraq and spend chileans of dollars, but somehow not have enough money -- not just for flint, the secretary is right. there are communities all over this country, it's not just infrastructure. it is education. detroit's public soul system is collapsing.

-- public school system is collapsing. and he could joining us from new york is yvette clarke, or she had taken place in a black caucus delegation town hall and visit. welcome to democracy now! >> thank you for having me. amy: before we start commenting on the debate, and interestingly here, both bernie sanders and secretary hillary clinton agreed on the issue calling for the -- hillary clinton said, or the recall of the governor, rick snyder. but what you found in flint, what your most surprised by? >> i mean, the depth of the devastation. the people and their ncerns about their well-being stop i mean, you got a sense of it from just empathizing with a poison water system, but to be there, to see people with disabilities. we oftentimes speak up the children, but we don't speak

about people with compromised immune systems and what this may mean for them. there are concerns about other contaminants in the water. we here mostly about lead, but the examination just about every pollutant that was in the flint river has not been thoroughly vetted as of yet and so they remain a lot of questions for the people living there and just the way of life they've had to adjust to, whether it is wonderful to ration in their homes or receiving constant deliveries of bottled water and what you do with all of the recycled bottles. amy: flint resident leeanne walters raised a question about lead service lines throughout the united states to the democratic presidential candidates. the city offamily, flint and the children in d.c. were poisoned by lead, will you make a personal promise to me right now that as president in your first 100 days in office, you will make it a requirement that all public water systems must remove all lead service

lines throughout the entire united states and notification made to the citizens that have that service line? >> i will make a personal promise to you that the epa and the epa directed -- director i appoint will make sure that every water system in the united states of america is tested, and that the people of those communities know the quality of the water that they are drinking , and that we are going to have a plan to rebuild water systems in this country that are unsafe for jointing. >> let me just point a for accuracy say, there are 10 million lead service pipes delivering water to people all across this country tonight. secretary clinton? >> i agree completely. i want to go further, though. i want us to have an absolute commitment to getting rid of lead wherever it is because it is not only in water systems. it is also in soil and it is in lead paint that is found mostly in older homes. that is why 500,000 children

today have lead -- lead in their bodies. so i want to do exactly what you said. we will commit to a priority to change the water systems, and we will commit within five years to remove lead from everywhere. amy: that was hillary clinton and -- answering the question of leeanne waters, one of the leading advocates for what has taken place in flint and changing the situation there now. leeanne waters own children have been poisoned by the lead and the water supply. husband, who is in the military, actually moved to virginia. it was a virginia tech professor who took a team from virginia to flint, michigan to test the water and together with doctors and scientists in flint without the help of the michigan government, proved the people of flint were being poisoned. when we come back come a quick

trip to flint and what we found when democracy now! went to the michigan city. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. to an excerpt of our documentary, "thirsty for democracy: the poisoning of an american city." travel to flint, michigan, last month. we are in flint, michigan at the golden gate restaurant, a cold, snowy saturday morning. inside, the defense league is having a breakfast meeting. i want to speak to one of the lead organizers against the poisoning of the flint water. she has been challenging the emergency managers for years. let's go inside. >> in 2011, this governor, governor snyder signed into law a law called the emergency manager law. it enabled the governor to send

an emergency manager under the guise of being fiscally responsible to cities and school districts that they deemed financially in fiscal crisis. it just so happen most of these places were majority african-american city's. privatizing services and selling off assets, that is their main purpose. well, here in flint, they privatized our garbage collection. they sold off our parks. amy: was santa claus sold off? haves, that is how low we gotten. they sold santa claus, the santa claus that was mounted on top of city hall every year. amy: tell us what happened. aggressive effort to privatize our water system. this is how we came to this poisoned water catastrophe. we were being told that the detroit water systems, which we

got our water from, was charging too much money and we were going to build his new pipeline for you folks have cheaper water. while we build the pipeline, why don't we go to the river? you know, the one of general motors dumped all of that crap and stuff in? all of the industrial toxins and stuff? we will go to that river in the interim. and these decisions were made by an emergency manager. and that is the untold story about the problem we have here. we don't have just a water problem, we got a democracy problem. we got a dictatorship problem. we got a problem of being stripped of our democracy as we have known it over the years. and for someone to come to our city, a proud city where -- with a rich labor history. amy: you have a long history here. talk about how that influenced you.

>> we have the first to give are sized to elect an african a american mayor. we've has one of the first city housing in the country. the sitdown strike of 1937. we are not the type of people used to being walked on. amy: that is clever clinton of the democracy defense league. while she was conducting her breakfast meeting. a woman came in extremely upset. she said she needed to get clean water to her infant grandson. another woman said she had just bought water and she would give it to the woman. they went out to the parking lot to take the water from audrey's trunk. you came into this restaurant this morning and view map with and you met with this woman who you just bumped into. can you tell me your name? >> audrey mohammed. amy: you heard she was try to

get clean water for her infant grandson. why do you have this? >> i had purchased the other day and i will go get some more. it is not a problem. it is not a problem at all. >> i appreciate it. i really do. amy: what will you do with this water? >> it is for my grandson. it is for my grandson. my first grandchild, and it is a boy. he was born february 6. that is my concern, my grandson. that is my concern. 2016, anda shame that we are living like this. and this man want us to pay for this. amy: do you have to pay for water? >> i have been buying water to drink forever, for the longest. amy: i mean, paying for the water in your tap? >> i just paid a shutoff notice in january of $106. amy: they were going to shut off

your poison water? day got the notice the after christmas. i called out and they tommie my water was about to be shut off at any time. a friend of mine, while i was at work, she went down and paid my shut off notice, $196. amy: how do you feel about pay for this contaminated water? >> i don't think it is fair. the goldwater especially in my kitchen when i turned it on, it had this foul, raw egg smell. amy: this is when they first connected to the river? >> right. i would doubt or the city and i spoke to howard. even my postman was complaining about the smell. he was the head of public works at that time. my postman parked his truck in front of my house of their was a train. we thought it was something in he sewage, ok? it got worse, especially behind days when flint was 85, 90 degrees. when you turn the faucet on, it

was just -- it was dark brown. as the water ran, he goes golden brown. so when clair, in tommy virginia tech was coming in to test the warder -- water in the professor was doing it for free, i volunteered. they came to my house the first week of august. i got my results back and i tested positive for lead. i am going to use this for my grandbabies. i want to ask governor snyder, because he is having a town hall meeting during earlier in the day and i am at work. amy: where do you work? >> tiw automotive and tyrone township. i got a message on my phone telling me to hold the line. when they called, was like 10:30 the morning. i have to be at work at 6:00. if it was his grandchild, would he want this? i don't have the money he have.

i respect him because he is the governor michigan, but if it was his grandchild, would he want it? amy: we've just come from the golden gate restaurant in flint -- actually, flint township. this is interesting, worthy democracy defense league was meeting over breakfast. the particular restaurant gets water from flint township, which is not the corrosive flint river, but right across flushing road -- you got it, flushing road, that is where they're linked up to the flint river stop right here st. michael's church, scores of people have gathered. they will be canvassing houses single people need and they are also formulating demands for the governor. >> help us to reestablish good drinking water here in flint on a regular basis, a safe basis, that we can learn to trust again. >> i am alyssa mays will stop i fighting water you flagging for

for? all three of my sons are in the make. they have bone pain every single day. they miss a lot of school because they're constantly sick all stop there needs systems are compromised. i have seizures and diverticulitis. for consultation on a liver biopsy. almost all of our systems of our body seven damaged. i'm getting calls from people so sick and they don't know what to do. amy: how are your boys? 12, 17. they put forth this effort to get good grades. my oldest is the little things he seems to forget, like pluses and minuses, different words -- it is a brain fog. amy: mayor weaver has called for $55 million to replace the lead pipes. is that happening? >> we are still waiting. the governor said you can have $25 million. $55 million is just a start.

the plumbers are talking about how the copper lines need to go as well as galvanized, any kind of metal as been so corroded and these byproducts are neurotoxins. copper, lead, chromium, things our bodies cannot handle. these pipes need to go. the $55 million is a start to get to the most needed people, the pregnant, elderly, small children. out of $55 million, he said 20 finally and dollars. amy: what should happen with governor snyder? >> he is been standing in the way of the funding we need to get these pipes replaced to get crews in here to get it going. he needs to be removed from office. he does not show in your real concern. he is not put any effort into actually making up for the failures of his agencies. he needs to go. amy: we are in from new york, where 9/11 took place to the attacks on the world trade center and washington, the pentagon. the government said after that the biggest fear was an international terrorist would poison the water supply of the

major cities. an international terrorist did not do this, but a major city's water supply was poison. your city, flint. the government, the michigan government, governor rick snyder in baldwin this. what are your thoughts? >> it is that an of the geneva convention says an act of war, you cannot poison a city's water supply. we are not in war, but it seems like a because a whole city's water supply was poisoned by our state government and allowed to continue. they knew in october 2014 when general motors said, we cannot use this water anymore because it is corroding our parts, the water is bad. the city lost 400,000 dollars in revenue, so the head beside up by the emergency manager the governor. if it was not ok for car parts, how is it ok for citizens? amy: the democratic primary presidential debate is happening here on march 6. do you know where it is happening? are you going to be there?

hillary clinton was here recently and we are hearing bernie sanders is coming in before the debate. what domains do you have of them? if they becomeow president, what are they going to do to stop this? it is not just flint. this is happening in other cities. the environmental injustice needs to stop. they need to stop ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away. i want to hear a strong statement of commitment by the presidential candidates they're not going to allow this to happen anywhere else. we're in flint, michigan. it is sunset at the flint water plant. i'm standing in front of the flint water tower just down the road is the gm engine plant. that gmctober 2014 recognized that the flint water was corroding its engines. they got permission from the unelected emergency manager of flint to disconnect from the french -- flint wherever i go back to the detroit water. it would be another year before

the people of flint were finally allowed to disconnect from the corrosive flint river as their water supply and look up against -- again with the detroit water. we're going to go talk to a gm worker who works at the plant and worked there at the time that gm recognized and the state acknowledged that they could no longer use flint water because it was destroying the engine. >> my name is ronald jamison, known as coach hollywood. amy: how long have you worked at the flint engine plant? on 40 this, going year. amy: you are working there would flint hooked up with the flint river and was disconnected from the detroit water supply. >> yes. amy: what happened at the plan? >> from what i hear, basically saying it was causing corrosion and what that was causing, they

were saying something to the fact what they were putting in the water and they were saying, we got this stuff called rust inhibitor keeps the engines from rusting while they are waiting to have oil put on them and i guess they tested it and found out, i guess we were putting too much chlorine in the water. you'rethey told flint causing us to lose engines because we have to tear them down and get the rest out before we can send them back. gavethe emergency manager you a waiver of said you can disconnect from the flint river and go back to the detroit water system? >> they made an agreement, from what i hear, that they could leave -- once we got our water back right, that they would come back. amy: and you never got your water right. >> know. amy: how did you feel? you were a worker the plant but

you are also a flint resident and that very water that was causing rust in the engine, you were drinking here in flint. fact, theyter of took all of the water fountains out of the plant. wethroughout the plant. amy: what do you think about this? >> i made a joke to one of the supervisors that i was going to sue them because they knew something had to be wrong and they never said nothing. all they said, we're not going to use it. amy: we're in flint, michigan, where yesterday on saturday, we spent the day following residents who were checking on their neighbors. today have water? is their filter working? due to have children in the house? have they been tested for lead? just being good neighbors. also making sure they had bottled water. one of the astounding things we learned is that residents are still paying for their lead poisoned water.

when we first pulled it to flint, michigan, the other night, we came -- we here at the municipal building in flint. there the national guard was giving out water. today, a sign "flint water distribution center." they gave us a case of ice mountain 100% natural spring water. it is made by nestle. one of the things that a number of people were talking about is that nestle, which has a plan to couple of hours north of here, a bottling plant, is sucking water out of lake michigan for free. so today we're going to head north to the nestle bottling plant to speak with a group of women who live in the area who had been engaging in a legal battle against nestle for years. in stanwood, michigan, about three hours north of detroit and it is here that nestle has its ice mountain

goldwater plant. we're joined by katie case, the current president's of michigan citizens for water conservation. this plant? about >> this is where the bottled water is being trucked out from nestle. it is taking the water from our aquifers and shipping it all over the world. amy: we're talking about 200 gallons per minute is being sucked out of the aquifer that feeds the michigan? >> yes, the water from this plant is coming from several wells, one in the costa and two in everett. and they are now pumping 218 gallons per minute. they want to do do 400. amy: but you stopped them from a decade-long lawsuit. >> that is true. amy: how much do they pay for the 200 gallons of water per

minute that their sucking out of the aquifer that leads -- feeds lake michigan? >> as far as i know, they're paying nothing. amy: peggy case in the costa county, michigan. to see the whole documentary, you can go to democracynow.org. when we come back, we will play more clips from the debate last night in flint, michigan, between hillary clinton and bernie sanders, and then we will get response from a hillary clinton supporter, new york august member yvette clarke, and a bernie sanders supporter, arizona congress member raul grijalva. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the race for the democratic nomination intensified this week as vermont senators bernie sanders be the clinton and three caucuses while hillary clinton easily one in louisiana. so far, clinton has one 658 delegates to sanders 471 during the first 19 primaries and caucuses. in addition, clinton is secured support from an overwhelming number of unelected superdelegates made up from the party establishment. though they could change their allegiance at any point. at last night's debate in flint, michigan, one of the most heated exchanges focused on trade

policy and bailouts. >> need to do more to help create clean energy as a source of good jobs, but i'm going to also go after companies. when a company decides to leave, like nabisco is leaving, and they have gotten tax benefits from chicago and illinois to stay there, i am going to call back those benefits. they are going to have to pay them back if there are leaving a place that actually invested in them. i am also going to go after companies like johnson controls in wisconsin. they came and got part of the bailout because they were an auto parts supplier. now they want to move some of their headquarters to europe. they're going to have to pay an exit fee. we are going to stop this kind of job exporting and we are going to start importing and growing jobs again in our country. >> senator sanders, i will let you --

>> i am very glad, anderson, that secretary clinton has discovered religion on this issue, but it is a little bit too late. secretary clinton supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements written by corporate america. [applause] nafta, supported by the secretary, cost us 800,000 jobs nationwide, tens of thousands of jobs in the midwest. permanent normal trade relations with china cost us millions of jobs. look, i was on a picket line in the early 1990's against nafta because you did not need a phd thatonomics to understand american workers should not be forced to compete against people in mexico making $.25 an hour. [applause]

and the reason that i was one of the first, not one of the last, to be in opposition to the tpp is that american workers should not be forced to compete against people in vietnam today making a minimum wage of $.65 an hour. look, what we have got to do is tell corporate america that they cannot continue to shut down. we have lost 60,000 factories since 2001 will stop they're going to start having to, if i am president, invest in this country -- not in china, not in mexico. >> secretary clinton? [applause] , i will tell you something else that senator sanders was against. he was against the auto bailout. in january of 2009, president-elect obama asked everybody in the congress to vote for the bailout. the money was there and had to

be released in order to save the american auto industry and 4 million jobs, and to begin the restructuring. we just had the best year that the auto industry has had in a long time. i voted to save the auto industry. he voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry. i think that is a pretty big difference. if you're talking about the wall street bailout, where some of your friends destroyed this economy -- >> you know -- >> excuse me, i am talking. going to talk, tell the whole story, senator sanders. >> let me tell my story, you tell yours. your story is for voting for every disastrous trade agreement and voting for corporate america. did i vote against the wall street bailout when billionaires on wall street destroyed this economy?

they went to congress and they said, oh, please, we will be good boys, bail us out. do you know what i said. i said, let the billionaires themselves bail out wall street. it should not be the middle class of this country. amy: bernie sanders and hillary clinton also to jabs at the republican counterparts. >> we have our differences and we get into vigorous debate about issues, but compare the substance of this debate with what you saw on the republican stage last week. >> senator sanders? >> well, let me make a couple of responses. let me pick up on the last point the secretary made. we are, if elected president, going to invest a lot of money into mental health. and when you watch these republican debates, you know why we need to invest in that. amy: bernie sanders and hillary clinton in their debate last

night in flint, michigan. the michigan primary is tuesday. to talk more about the presidential race, we are joined by two members of the congressional progressive caucus. one supports clinton. the other, sanders. here in our studio is new york congresswoman yvette clarke. she has just returned from flint, michigan, as part of a congressional black caucus delegation. she endorsed clinton for president. and with us in tucson, is arizona congressman raul grijalva, co-chair of the congressional progressive caucus. he was the first member of congress to publicly endorse bernie sanders for president. we welcome you both to democracy now! while you are hillary clinton, congress number clarke, what are the most important issues and how did you think that were expressed in this debate? >> as a new yorker, i had the opportunity to work with secretary clinton when she was our senator and i know that she has an in-depth knowledge of the challenges faced by the people that i represent an the ninth

district of new york. having said that, i think that hillary represents a lot of the dreams and aspirations of the people that i represent in central brooklyn, whether it is comprehensive immigration reform, whether it is health care reform, whether it is looking for opportunities are those to have been marginalized in our society, she is been very vocal and outspoken and has actually worked on legislation to make a difference in their lives. amy: raul grijalva, thank you for joining us from tucson. you're supporting bernie sanders. can you talk about why and why congress -- why senator hillary -- how former senator and former secretary of state hillary clinton does not meet your goals for what you would see the democratic presidential nominee to meet? >> thank you, amy.

2016 is indeed become a watershed year. one of the reasons i'm supporting bernie, i know him as a friend. that aside, i really think the envelope for our democracy needs to be question than it has been pushed. in the fact that bernie has very forthrightly and in a very strong way spoken to, i think, the ideals and quite rightly, the aspirations and frustrations of the american people in terms of the economy, in terms of the injustice that was economically and socially in this country. and in terms of, say, we can do drumbeatd the constant and unnecessary drumbeat that doesn't a necessary drumbeat that senator sanders has brought into this election about the concentration of power and wealth, the role of wall street in making decisions for the rest of us and the fact that needs to be broken up, i think, has been the primary reason why i am there.

i also think that setting the bar high because i think the important point with the american people right now am a the two steps fort, one step back kind of status quo politics is not going to work anymore. and part of the frustration that you see in this election year is the fact the american people are searching for something that is of a higher value than what they're used to. for me, that was bernie and that is why supporting him. amy: you live along the border. the trade agreements from nafta -- whatourse nafta president clinton considered one of his finest achievements at the time. the effects of these trade agreements up through tpp? >> the border land is now a militarized zone since 9/11. and beyond that, economically, if you were to take the 100 mile strip along the southern border of this country, it would be the poorest state in the country

with every indices being at the lowest. unemployment the highest, infant mortality the highest am a committed couple disease the highest -- communicable disease the highest, unemployment the highest. that is directly related to trade policies that shifted jobs and also ship to the attention of the american people from building economic base of these borderlands to begin to treat it as a barrier and a wall in the security issue only. the fact that free trade and nafta in particular cafta and the other was coming down the pipe, have had on the borderlands and the rest of this nation -- the manufacturing backbone of this nation has been devastating most of millions of jobs lost. the fact we are speaking directly to that, bernie sanders campaign, and say these are failed policies, i think is important and i think the american people realize that the race to the bottom began with

nafta. amy: congress member yvette clarke, where you stand on the street agreements? >> i have been against the trade agreements as well leave the nuts of the tpp. however, i think that it is not totally fair to attribute nafta to secretary clinton. certainly, that was her husband's policy. i think we have seen as she is gone around throughout the nation, it really drill down and taking a look at what these trade agreements have done so the gutting of u.s. manufacturing, u.s. jobs. she has had a change of heart. she is moving forward to look at alternatives, ways in which we can keep manufacturing in the united states. she spoke about some of the penalties. she would look at living those against those companies that accept our incentives to be in the united states, then make a decision later to leave. it is not that there is not a level of understanding of what this means to the united states, i think secretary clinton is

well-informed and ready to do what needs to be done to help the united states manufacturing. amy: how do you respond to bernie sanders saying, yes, but she comes late to all of these issues after making the wrong decision, he says? whether you're talking about the trade agreements or the iraq war , and that late can cost thousands of lives. i agree with him, but i would say he is late on the gun issue. they have a lot of issues, as representatives, we have to wait whole host of issues. and depending on where we represent and the nation, for him, vermont is a hunting area. is enough forisy everyone. amy: congress member raul grijalva, on the gun issue, bernie sanders said he got a d- from the nra. has been brought home fiercely to the last years with the shooting and almost killing of congress member debbie giffords, a terrible,

poor with that took place there. horror of what took place there. his position, for many of us, needed to be stronger than it was. it the fact remains that central to this hole, the whole discussion for this presidential election on both sides, is the economy of this nation, the structure, the systemic issues that continue to affect us every day, affect working folk every day, issues of minimum wage. those come across every line and every specter of american society. and those are the central issues to that. and to say that, you know, what happened in flint, the

discrimination, the racism that we have seen in flint in terms of denial and neglect, is also systematic to a system that is controlled at the top by very few and wealth dominates the policy direction of our states and our communities. and those that are marginalized continue to be even worse marginalized. there is a systemic reason. there is a root cause. the root cause is in balance in power and wealth that we have in this country. amy: last night's debate, both were asked about their position on fracking. >> i don't support it when any locality or any state is against it, number one. i don't support it when the release of methane or contamination of water is present. i don't support it, number three, unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using. so by the time we get through all of my conditions, i do not

think there will be many places in america where fracking will continue to take place. and i think that is the best approach, because right now, there are places where fracking is going on that are not sufficiently regulated. so first, we have got to regulate everything that is currently underway, and we have to have a system in place that prevents further fracking unless conditions like the old ones that i just agenda are met. -- i just mentioned are met. >> my answer is a lot shorter. no, i do not support fracking. amy: and there you have a difference. you, congress member clarke, are from new york where the governor cuomo has enforced a moratorium a tremendousecause popular revolt against it. >> and i agreed or should not be fracking. rubiconcrossed the through renewable energy, which

is where we should be investing right now. amy: congress member grijalva? position, with the no. this is like oklahoma. if you leave it to the states to decide with the earthquakes of the danger to offer contamination -- aquifer contamination, the earthquakes that have not occurred historically in that part of the state where fracking is occurring and the state continues to do nothing about it in a regulatory way, then -- with compasso end member clarke. you are from the same city that donald trump is from and his waffling on the ku klux klan. >> it is unbelievable that in the 21st century that we would have a presidential candidate that has to waffle on the issue of the ku klux klan, of racial discrimination and bigotry, and it is really unfortunate that hisld trump is using

candidacy -- not amy: we have to candidacy -- not amy: we have to leave it there, yvette clarke

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