09/23/16 09/23/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> in the matter of the death of terence crutcher, i determine that the filing of the felony crime of manslaughter in the first degree against tolls a police officer betty shelby is warranted. any go to tulsa, police officer who shot and killed terence crutcher has been charged and released from custody. she faces four years to life in prison. we will go to tulsa tuesday or the family lawyer. and to, north carolina, where protests continue for a third night as people demand the release of the tapes showing the police killing of keith scott.

>> but we all stand together declaring there must be transparency in the videos must be released, and there needs to be a federal standard in these issues. that those videos in these kinds of incidents is our released. trust.s what leads to transparency. amy: we will speak with reverend william barber, president of the states naacp and leader of the morals monday movement. then we get reaction to this week's senate banking committee hearing were senator elizabeth warren grilled wells fargo ceo john stumpf. >> you should resign. you should get back the money that you took while this scam was going on and you should be criminally investigated by both

the department of justice and the securities and exchange commission. amy: we will speak with nomi prins, former managing director at bear stearns and goldman sachs and author of "all the residents bankers." all of that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in tulsa, oklahoma, police officer betty shelby has been looked after she was charged with felony manslaughter in the fatal shooting of african american terence crutcher. video footage shows officer shelby, who is white, shooting and killing crutcher while his hands were in the air. the criminal complaint say shelby's "fear resulted in her unreasonable actions which led her to shooting." crutcher's killing has sparked protests throughout the week in tulsa. if convicted, shelby faces four years to life in prison.

meanwhile in charlotte, north carolina, the protest continued further day to demand police release video of the shooting of african-american father keith lamont scott. north carolina governor patrick rory as to cleared a state of emergency and mobilize the national guard. the charlotte mayor has imposed a midnight curfew amidst the ongoing protest. all the police initially claimed they tased and then shot scott because he was armed, scott's family says he was not armed except with a book in hand. they say he been sitting in his car waiting to pick up his own after school. chiefrsday, the police kerr putney walked back the claims that you can clearly see that scott had a gun. >> the video does not give me absolute definitive visual confirm that would a person is pointing a gun. i did not see that in the videos that i have reviewed.

amy: scott's family has been shown the video, but it has not yet been released to the public. meanwhile, the protester who police claim was a victim wednesday of a civilian on civilian shooting has died. several eyewitnesses dispute the police explanation. charlotte public defender eddie thomas told theuardian believes the protester was shot by tgate pepper ball, or other projectile that caused him to stumble back and hit his head on the brick sidewalk. we will go to north oklahoma,nd tulsa, after headlines. in news from the campaign trail, a new investigation by politico has revealed donald trump's campaign has paid more than $8.2 million to trump-owned businesses for everything from office space rent to food for events, which politico describes as "an unprecedented amount of self-dealing in federal politics." the $8.2 million accounts for a full 7% of the campaign's expenditures.

in 2000, trump said -- "i could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it." meanwhile, trump's campaign chair in ohio, kathy miller, has resigned after the guardian published an interview in which she made a series of racist comments. >> i don't think there was any racism until obama got elected. we never had problems like this. i am in the real estate industry. there is none. now, with the people with the guns and shooting of neighborhoods and not being responsible citizens, that is a big change and i think that is what obama has perpetuated on america. if you're black and you have not been successful in the last 50 years, it is your own fault. amy: this comes as 75 former u.s. diplomats have signed onto a letter calling donald trump "entirely unqualified to serve as president and commander-in-chief." the signatories include ambassadors and high-level state department officials.

for many, it was the first time they'd endorsed a candidate, justifying the switch by saying "this election is different from any election we can recall." in more election news, more leaked democratic party e-mails have revealed documents detailing the schedules of hillary clinton, michelle obama, and joe biden in recent weeks, as well as a possible copy of michelle obama's passport. the emails were posted to the site dcleaks.com, and came from gmail account of a young democratic operative named ian mellul. it's a further indication of how frequently sensitive information is shared over private email servers across the democratic party. meanwhile, yahoo says as many as 500 million of its accounts were hacked and that private information including names, phone numbers, passwords, and birth dates may have been stolen. it's believed to be the biggest hack of an email provider to date. yahoo has blamed a "state-sponsored actor." in more political news, new york authorities are investigating former new york congress member

anthony weiner over allegations he sent sexually explicit text messages to an underage girl. this comes a month after hillary clinton's top aide huma abedin announced she was leaving her husband weiner, after photos and reports surfaced of him again sending sexual messages. weiner stepped down from congress in 2011 after initially lying to the public about explicit phone and internet contact with women he met online. in syria, the al-assad government has launched a new round of airstrikes on aleppo after the cease-fire brokered the between u.s. and russia collapsed earlier this week. this comes after secretary of state john kerry called wednesday for grounding of military aircraft's in key areas across syria, a called us stopped short of calling for a no-fly zone, but nevertheless represents an escalation of the unit is a's on the ongoing war in syria. in yemen, a u.s.-backed saudi-led airstrike has killed at least 30 people after it

struck a neighborhood in the port city of hodeida wednesday. the strike came the same day as the u.s. senate has voted down legislation to block a $1.15 billion arms sale to saudi arabia, over concerns about the ongoing saudi-led war in yemen. although the resolution failed, 27 lawmakers did vote to oppose the arms transfer. in the philippines, several thousand students and activists have protested throughout the week to mark the 44th anniversary of former dictator ferdinand marcos' declaration of martial law, which was annoued on september 23, 1972. on wednesday, youth groups organized a nationwide strike that led to school walkouts in about a dozen cities. human rights activists protested philippines president rodrigo duterte's proposal to give the late dictator marcos a heroes -- a hero's burial. >> if marcus is verio this varied and treated as a hero, it will change history. the real heroes will be erased

from history, those who fought martial law. we will make sure he will not be buried at the hero cemetery because his resting place will be watered with spitz, not tears. as presidentes duterte has also lashed out at the european union, after its parliament called on him to end his so-called war on drugs, which has claimed more than 3500 lives since duterte took office in june. on tuesday, duterte said -- "i have read the condemnation of the european union. you" heing them " f.u said. but he said it. in guatemala, the special prosecutor for human rights, orlando lopez, has been arrested, sparking fears he may be killed in prison for his high-level prosecution of guatemalan ex-military officials implicated in the 1980's genocide. lopez is best known for prosecuting the 2013 genocide trial of ex-dictator efrain rios montt, who was found guilty of killing nearly 2000 ixil mayans under his rule in the 1980's. lopez's arrest stems from

hit-and-run allegations reported by a right-wing group tied to many former military generals. in puerto rico, resident erupted in cheers late thursday night as neighborhoods began to emerge from an islandwide blackout sparked by a power plant on wednesday. the blackout affected all 3.5 million people across puerto rico. 50 different tribes and first nations from the united states and canada have signed a continent-wide treaty alliance against tar sands expansion, committing to a unified fight against the construction of pipelines in their territories. the proposed pipelines include keystone xl, enbridge line 3, kinder morgan, energy east, and enbridge northern gateway pipelines. the treaty means that dozens of first nations in canada, as well as the standing rock sioux tribe in north dakota and the white earth nation in minnesota, have now legally barred these pipelines from crossing their

lands. meanwhile, in north dakota, lakota land defender olowan martinez was freed thursday. , she'd been held for more than a week after she locked herself to a piece of heavy machinery to stop construction of the $3.8 billion dakota access pipeline on september 13. this is martinez speaking to democracy now! when we were in north dakota. >so how long do you plan to stay here? >> until we know for sure that this black snake is dead. amy: your t-shirt says "red warrior camp" and it has a fist. >> yes. i believe it speaks the spirituality and the mentality of everyone here within red warrior camp. we are a camp of great mindset of come together to kill this black snake by any means necessary. amy: and the

award-winning and best-selling poet claudia rankine has won this year's macarthur genius grant. rankine is best known for her 2014 book "citizen," an exploration of race that new yorker reviewer hilton als described as -- "the best note in the wrong song that is america. its various realities -- 'mistaken' identity, social racism, the whole fabric of urban and suburban life -- are almost too much to bear, but you bear them, because it's the truth." and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. we begin in charlotte, north carolina. >> release the videos. release the videos. release the videos. release the videos. release the videos. release the videos.

juan: for a third night in a row, protesters chanted "release the tapes!" as they took to the streets and called for police to release video of the shooting of keith lamont scott. charlotte's mayor imposed a midnight to 6:00 a.m. curfew that some protesters defied. >> i don't agree with that. i am grown and i feel like i should be able to, you know, stay out as long as i want. as far as my reasons for doing this, i have one sibling and he is my brother and i feel like it is my duty to protect him. if anything -- he kind of looks up to me. for doing it.ason if they take it away for me, i won't have anything left. juan: meanwhile, the protester who police say was the victim wednesday of a civilian-on-civilian shooting has died. but several eyewitnesses dispute that explanation. a charlotte public defender named eddie thomas who was at , the protest to observe interactions between police and the public told the guardian he , saw what happened. thomas said -- "there was no fight. there was no issue between protesters. it just didn't happen."

thomas said he believes the protester was shot by a tear gas canister, pepper ball, or other projectile that caused him to stumble back and hit his head on the brick sidewalk. amy: this comes as the grieving family of keith scott has been shown the dashboard and body camera videos of his fatal shooting. police say they shot scott after he got out of his car and brandished a gun. but in a statement for the family, attorney justin bamberg said that is not what he saw when he watched the video. he spoke on msnbc. >> what i see in that video is an individual who was sitting in a car who gets out in a calm and peaceful manner, never appears to be aggressive. it seems like he is attack confused. i don't know if he's getting yelled up from somebody different directions. there appears to be an object in his hand, but you cannot make out what it is. at the moment he a shot, he is stepping backwards.

>> did he have a gun? i don'tr as i know -- know. we know law enforcement is saying he had a gun. i have not seen any definitive evidence aside from what law enforcement is saying. amy: scott's family has called for the videos of his death to be made public. but charlotte police chief kerr putney says he had no plans to release the video at this time. on thursday, he said the video is inconclusive. >> your truth, my truth and the truth. some people have already made up their minds what happened. we have given multiple facts and will be an update later this afternoon about more additional information we are getting. but that still does not change the mindset in the perspective of some who want to break the law and tear down our city. so if there is compelling information that i think helps, we will show it. but i'm going to be -- i'm going to be very intentional about protecting the integrity of the

investigation and in so doing, i'm not going to release the video. amy: that a charlotte's police chief. for more on the keith lamont scott killing, we go to north carolina, where we are joined by reverend dr. william barber, president of the north carolina naacp, and moral monday leader. he has been participating in the democracy awakening mobilizations. his most recent book, "third reconstruction: moral mondays, fusion politics, and the rise of a new justice movement." reverend barber, it is great to have you back on democracy now! can you please respond to what is happening at charlotte? first, the killing and then the refusal of the police chief to release the video? unlike what happened in toll somewhere they did release the video and the officer who killed the african-american man in tulsa has been indicted. >> thank you, first of all, for having me. here we have a situation where there are only three possible

scenarios. one, an unarmed african-american man with a book was shot in the police black and white conspired to place a gun at the scene to suggest that he is been aggressive. two, and african-american man had a gun -- which is not illegal in north carolina in an open carry state -- and was shot by the police. three, and african-american had a gun, brandished it violently at the police and was shot. we don't know what happened released thee has tape. we have called on the governor, who by the wacom is against releasing tapes. the attorney general, the mayor, the prosecutor, the police chief to release the tapes. we know that if these tapes have shown us citizen showed -- shooting a cop, these tapes would be released. we have also called for an independent federal investigation -- not just the

fbi because in north carolina, .he a guys under the governor and too often, that is not enough. we also found out that some of the officers did not have the body cameras on. this came from the police chief. organicclergy there and organizers have called for the firing of those police. why would you not have your body cameras on? this is a very serious matter. ,nd 99.999% of the protesters by the way, who are black and white and young and old and christian andjews and people of racesent religions, and creeds, are asking for what should automatically trigger -- we should believe it should be an automatic trigger in these kinds of shootings that the tapes are released and there's a federal investigation. juan: yesterday afternoon, you another faith leaders had a press conference where you

called for the ability of the community to be a little protest peacefully and you also called for no curfew. you requested no curfew, but then late yesterday, the mayor did order a curfew. how do you feel that has helped or made the situation worse in charlotte? >> first of all, if you go back to even on tuesday night, the protests were peaceful into the police showed up in riot group and herded a group of protesters down into a car garage and proceeded, according to theirnesses, to take out batons and his people and create confusion. that is were a young man got shot, which is why they're so much confusion about how he was actually shot. there are people who may want to politicize this. our governor all of the sudden called for a state of emergency. there is enough police in charlotte and the surrounding areas that they did not need a state of emergency because it was only about two dozen people that were engaging in the

violence. it was not overwhelming majority. clergy were in the street on tuesday night and on wednesday night and they were there last night. we thought we had an agreement that there would not be a curfew. there was no reason for a curfew. there is no reason to try to militarize a city and put all of that focus on those things, and to suggest that we cannot contain a few provocateurs. the real energy ought to be in releasing these tapes, getting an independent federal investigation -- remember, this man was not even a suspect they were looking for. this city is a city where you had another young man, jonathan ferrell, a college student who was disoriented in a wreck and ask for help, he was shot and killed. an officer was indicted and tried, but there was a hung jury. there is been no attempt to

retry that officer. until there are indictment and convictions and prosecutions and incarceration by police who hide behind the badge and commit murder, we're going to continue to have these problems. we're not saying that is what happened here, but what we are saying is the video needs to be released. that is public property. that is the point of having the videos and even the family is calling for the release of the videos. amy: reverend barber, i want to ask about this because governor mccrory has just signed into law a bill that would seal the video. and it is going to affect -- go into effect august 1, october 1, which is a few days away. so you have the cities of north carolina -- let's look at charlotte right now -- putting millions into video of police and body cameras and all of that. -- iten that information will solely be seen by the

police, unless they choose to release it. at the law has not even gone into effect. -- explainlain's mccrory's move? the police chief right now is enforcing that, even of the family has called for its release as well. >> the family, experts have called for it around the country and both in charlotte. mccrory and trump together are playing a dangerous game in our society. this is what they're doing. they're trying to make a legitimate discontent of african-americans and white and brown people who are challenging that police. nobody is challenging good police. we love good police. a good police do not like that police. so they one, number one, to not even have a conversation about race and police brutality. that is number one. number two, they want to make the narrative that the

protesters are anti-police. and that they are pro-protecting police. her instance, her legislature comes up with a bill like this. basically saying we want to suppress the videos and protect the police. remember, mccrory like trump or trump like mccrory are suppressors-in-chief. he is suppress the vote come here suppressed access to medicaid for five thousand people. yet understand the context to understand the frustration. he suppressed people getting a living wage. you try to suppress teachers rights to have a union. he suppressed money for public education. he is trying to suppress the lgbtq committee and the ability for north carolinians to file for discrimination in cases in federal -- state court. now he wants to suppress the public's video. understand, the public owns -- this is taxpayer money.

it is wrong-headed. it is not the kind of openness that we need. it creates and causes more tension, more animosity, or distressed because there is not transparency. it sounds more like the old south, the south of oppression, the south that would hold things back rather than what we need as a new south, new america that be shown.he text it is not going to distract from investigation. it is not one to take away from due process. we do not want people tried on the streets, prosecuted on the street, but what we do want, when the facts dictate -- and the tape shows it -- and there's probable cause for the law to say, you cannot hide behind a badge and commit what we call mbp, murder by police. you cannot do that. because a badge in the name of the state paid by tax dollars is

too much power with a gun for a bigot or trigger-happy person that does not protect and serve and instead kills and destroys. amy: we're going to go to break by come back to this discussion. reverend william barber president of the north carolina , naacp, and moral monday leader. we will be back with him in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: today would have been john cole train's knighted birthday. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: speaking on thursday, republican presidential candidate donald trump said because of the unrest in charlotte "the country looks bad to the world." he used the events to appeal to black voters. mr. trump: the people who will suffer the most as a result of these riots are law-abiding

african-american residents who live in these committees where the crime is so rampant. it is their jobs, housing markets, schools, economic conditions that will suffer and the first duty of government is to protect their well-being and safety. we have to do that. there is no compassion in tolerating lawless conduct. crime and violence is an attack on the poor and will never be accepted in a trunk administration. never, ever. our job -- [applause] our job is not to make life more comfortable for the violent disruptor, but to make life more comfortable for the african-american parent trying to raise their kids in peace, to walk their children to school, and to get their children grade educations. we need --

juan: that was donald trump. for more we are joined by the reverend dr. william barber, president of the north carolina naacp and moral monday leader. --ant to ask you, the impact trump and his remarks never mentions the violence being perpetrated on african-americans by some of these police officers. i am wondering your sense of the impact of his words -- because he is sounding more and more like a reversion back to richard nixon and law and order as the campaign theme for his presidency. his impact on the african american community, especially after in american use, of trump's words? >> you hit the nail on the head. his' and revisionist history and he is reaching back to the strategy that kevin phillips gave to richard nixon on how to hold on to the south and when the country. it is called the southern strategy. use all kinds of code words and

misdirection. it is full of hypocrisy and it is full of untruthful things. first of all, donald trump is running to bedivider-- in-chief, suppressor-in-chief. we have to remember what he said with his mouth and more in portland, his policies. listen to what those are. first, he is for voter suppression. when the supreme court said that north carolina engaged in surgical racism against black people in voting laws, he came to north carolina and said that that decision would open up fraud. he joined with those who perpetrated racism and surgical voter suppression. number two, donald trump is for reversing medicaid expansion, which would hurt 20 million whiteans -- many, many americans, but 3 million african-americans alone. -- numbers that

three, he believes we have to have a minimum wage and is not for living wage. there are 64 million americans, black, white, and brown, that make less than the living wage and 54 percent are african-american. he is not for raising the living wage. he is for the proliferation of guns, the very cause of the violence in our community. he is for tax cuts on the wealthy and raising tax and fees on the poor and the working poor in ways that would take us back to the kind of recession policies that we saw under george bush and the false notions of trickle down. he is for the kind of policies that could possibly proliferate war -- which would be negative to poor whites and blacks who end up fighting the wars often that rich people engage in. he is for taking money from public schools, which black, brown, and poor white people need, and giving it to private schools that can segregate and most brown, black, and white people cannot go to. what heand over again,

said on this teleprompter and what his policies actually show us are two different realities. and he is not talking a black people. if you listen to him or some of his campaign people, this is the narrative. it is a shrewd and sinister narrative. black people will not let us help them. trust theng, will not very people since 1968 in the southern strategy had been against everything that benefit the progression of black people. number two, black people are their own problem. they are their own problem. and number three, black people are the cause of your problems, saying that the white people particularly, and all of the money we've had this in on welfare -- which in fact, most of the welfare is actually used by black people -- white people step social security, medicaid, medicare. it is a hypocritical argument and it is a dangerous argument

and a sinister argument because it is not a serious conversation about race and racial disparity. amy: i want to play. the comment of robert pittenger whose district includes parts of charlotte he said demonstrators were upset because i like north carolina's white residents, the african americans are not successful. he made his comments on bbc. >> i don't think the people on the streets last night with an apple for were protesting against lyndon b. johnson's almost half a century old policies. what is their grievance in their mind? >> the grievance in their mind hateat the anger -- they white people because white people are successful and they are not. it is a welfare state. we have spent trillions of dollars on welfare. we have put people in bondage so they can't be all that they are capable of being. amy: hours later, he apologized in several posts on twitter

saying his anguish about what was happening in charlotte prompted him to respond to a question "in a way that i regret." i'm wondering if you could respond to this and also, talk about north carolina, your state -- i mean, right now people are voting for president, is that right -- or people are in gauged in early voting. the first, respond to congressman kittinger -- pittenger. >> yet to say he regretted it, but what he probably regrets is the first part of what he said. in the white southern strategy, you're not supposed to say "they hate us because we are successful." you're simply supposed to say, welfare state is a code word for racism. you're supposed to say tax cuts or entitlement programs that we need to get rid of as code words. he blew the code. he was out in the open. what he said, racism as you know is not rooted in fact, it is rooted in fear -- it is rooted

in foolishness. his history is wrong. another great society programs, many of them work. especially for white people. many of the program staff that he and others to mean are the very programs that help lift many whites, particularly in the south and other areas, out of poverty. we know when you look at that particular congressperson and his record, if we as a country followed his voting record, we would have less voting rights because he has refused to sign on to restoring the voting rights act. we would have less health care, less wages. we would have less love, less mercy. in many of the very people that are heard by the policies he promote are white. we have 1.9 million poor people in north carolina, the majority of them are white. 340 6000 of 500,000 people being denied medicaid expansion are white. what he and others are afraid of is what we have seen in the

moral monday movement. what i'm seeing as i go around the country, black and white and latino people coming together and forming fusion coalition and understanding that all of this divisive rhetoric and these divisive policies was designed to keep the very people apart from each other that need to be allies, who need to change this country. you know, lastly, if you look at politico, the majority of the states that are the poorest are those that have states there's -- led by so-called red states or people who claim to be republican. the very policies they promote hurt the people that they sell this false narrative. juan: reverend barber, we've been talking about charlotte but i would like to also bring in what has happened in tulsa where police officer betty shelby has been booked the local county

jail and released on $50,000 bond. on thursday, shelby was charged with felony manslaughter in the fatal shooting of terence crutcher. the criminal complaint says shelby's "fear resulted in her unreasonable actions which led her to shooting." she is accused of "unlawfully and unnecessarily" shooting crutcher after he did not comply with her "lawful orders." if convicted, shelby faces four years to life in prison. could you talk about the difference between what happened in the situation in tulsa versus what is happened so far in charlotte and what you would hope to happen in charlotte? all, you didt of not have the context like you did in north carolina and the kind of aggressive violent policy attacks that we have seen over the last three years by the governor. so there is a ready a lot of unrest, hurt, and pain in north carolina. we have been a state that is launched the worst attack on the old gb thank you community --

the old gb thank you community, fighting for a living wage, and even persons who wanted to employment discrimination in the state courts. you also have a state that is had the highest number of african-americans exonerated from death row in the last 10 years of any state in the country. we also have a state where numerous people are incarcerated for crimes they did not commit. the governor has refused to pardon them. i have a press conference about two of them this morning. you have a place where the crime lab was found to abuse over 200 cases. in terms of the way they dealt with the dna evidence. you also have a city where you had jonathan ferrell, even though someone was indicted, ended up with a hung jury and peoples that a hung jury was a spoken jury, one we know that is not true. you have to understand the context of all of that, all of the attacks on the poor come all of the attacks on health care

and voting rights. in you drop the situation in an unlikable so where they had transparent the, and now they have an indictment, we've actually had -- we have not had transparency and we found out more and more evidence that points against the police narrative. which also proved something, too. that black people come as you said, are not just against cops or against white cops -- and the situation, the chief is black and the alleged shooter is black as the black people are saying, whatever it is, we want transparency. it is not just black people. it is black and white people saying it together. we want transparency. that is the number one problem in charlotte. there was not transparency and the police overreacted, did not listen to the community leaders that were on the ground, and exacerbated a problem that did not have to go this way. explain the

governor of north carolina, your state, the stance he is taken right now? where you see things going? his relationship with the governor -- with the mayor of charlotte? she did impose a curfew, but said they would not enforce it if people were peaceful -- and the people were peaceful. explain who gives the governor his power and the movement you have been leading, the moral mondays movement and the effect you think it is had. >> supposedly, the people give the governor the power. but let's look at the governor's rhetoric. my deep suspicion is there is some pushing around all of this to try to grade some political movement. you know, he is in trouble. so my understanding from the clergy is that there wasn't even a great desire by the city --ncil to create emergency

state of emergency in the first place. remember, we are in a state, and god knows we are against any form of violence. those officers that were hurt the first night, the young man that was killed and we don't know how he was killed. we have a lot of conflicting accounts of that. but, amy, we understand the governor pushed for this emergency peace. we're in a state where, first, unc wins the championship and we have seen bonfire started in the middle of the street, cars turned over, and we don't have an emergency state. in fact, they open up the burn unit. 99.9% of you move from protesters doing the right thing, a few dozen been the wrong thing, and ugly there is an emergencies date and a city that is already for care to handle even a presidential convention? that is summer one.

number two, this curfew, we don't know where it came from and what pressures were put on data curfew and we saw it was totally unnecessary. and the police and the community leaders could of handled legitimate discontent and anger and nonviolent justice protests. lastly, this governor has been a source of division throughout the country and here in north carolina. and he actually has lied. and i don't normally say that like that. but i heard him the other night say on cnn, he claimed his love for dr. king -- which they tend to run to every time people express legitimate discontent. well, remember, dr. king was called a militant. he said he respected nonviolent protesters. , weretested for 21 weeks arrested, and he never met with us. he has refused to meet with clergy. as late as two weeks ago, clergy of all different faiths attended

to deliver a moral declaration of values to his office, and they would not receive it. so this governor is saying one thing for political reasons, but the political reality is something very different. he, like donald trump, has been a divider. he has helped disturb more division. he has dishonored the nonviolent tradition. and now does not really have the credibility to challenge what is of then -- even in terms violence. he has passed policy that has caused people their lives. when a state denies 500,000 people medicaid simply because they don't like a black man in a white house, that means about 1000 to 1500 people die every year. upwards of somewhere 5000 people in north carolina have died since this governor legislature has denied medicaid expansion. amy: we want to thank you, reverend barber, for joining us.

i also wanted to point out the family,or the scott justin bamberg is a member of the south carolina house of representatives, also represented alton sterling's family in baton rouge african-american man gunned down by police, as well as another mr. scott, walter scott. people may remember and/or charleston, south carolina, walter scott gunned down by a police officer after the officer stopped him for a taillight being out. but know you have to run, as people said, this man was not even the suspect. and also remember the walter scott case plant.s a that was a plant shown on the video. we're convinced in this video was about a citizen shooting a cop and it showed it clearly, that the video would be out. and if the video was conclusive, it would be out. something is wrong and the

reason why they will not release the video, and we need to listen to the experts and the family and have it released. amy: reverend dr. william barber, president of the north carolina naacp, and moral monday leader. his most recent book "third , reconstruction: moral mondays, fusion politics, and the rise of a new justice movement." thank you so much for joining us from north carolina. back, a fiery session of the u.s. senate. it was the senate banking committee and it was senator warren of massachusetts grilling the ceo of wells fargo. why were over 5000 low-level employees fired, she asked, and not him? stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: "i'm done." this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: on tuesday, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren grilled wells fargo ceo john stumpf during his two-hour testimony to

the senate banking committee, over a growing scandal at the major wall street bank involving thousands of employees who took private customer information to create 2 million fake accounts in order to meet sales targets. the scandal dates back to at least 2011, and ceo john stumpf admits he's known about the practice since 2013. wells fargo has been fined $185 million. senator elizabeth warren called on stumpf to be investigated, -- to be investigated. courts do you know how much money, how much value your stock holdings and wells fargo gained while this skin was underway? >> first of all, it was not a scam. tionships. >> we have been through this. i asked a civil question. do you know how much the value of your stock went up while this scam was going on? >> is all of my compensation is in our public -- >> do you know how much it was?

>> it is all in the public filing. >> it is in the public records because i looked it up. while this scam was going on, you personally held an average of6.70 5 million shares wells stop. the share price during this time frame went up by about $30, which comes out to more than $200 million in gains. all for you personally. and thanks in part to those cross sell numbers that you talked about on every one of those calls. here's what gets me about this mr. stumpf. if one of your tellers took a handful of $20 bills out of the cash for, they would probably be looking at criminal charges for theft. they could end up in prison. amy: that was massachusetts senator elizabeth warren grilling wells fargo ceo john

stumpf earlier this week. she called on him to resign. >> but you squeezed your employees to the breaking point so they would cheat customers and you could drive up the value of your stock and put hundreds of millions of dollars in your own pocket. and when it all blew up, you kept your job, you kept your multimillion dollar bonuses, and you went on television to blame thousands of $12 and our employees who are just trying to meet cross sell quotas that made you rich. this is about accountability. you should resign. you should give back the money that you took while this scam was going on and you should be criminally investigated by both the department of justice and the securities and exchange commission. amy: that was massachusetts senator elizabeth warren grilling wells fargo ceo john

stumpf earlier this week. the consumer financial protection bureau found wells fargo employees secretly opened phony bank accounts and issued credit cards to customers who did not want them. these practices led to overdraft charges, late fees, and other penalties. the bank has fired at least 5300 workers allegedly involved in the illegal activity, but not a single high-level executive has been fired or even forced to return the tens of millions of dollars in pay earned based on the fraud. for more we go now to los , angeles to speak with nomi she is a former managing director at bear stearns and goldman sachs, and previously an analyst at lehman brothers and chase manhattan bank. her latest book "all the , presidents' bankers: the hidden alliances that drive american power." welcome to democracy now! can you talk about this case and what will come of this hearing? what exactly john stumpf did, the head of wells fargo or he remains. what's what john stumpf did is he let the desk 5300 people take

the fall for his criminal behavior. that is what he did. this particular case that was in front of the senate banking committee early this week is a tiny portion of the array of criminal activity that wells fargo has basically done under the direction of john stumpf. john stumpf has been the ceo since 2007 and chairman of the board at wells fargo since 2010. he has been there through the beginning of the financial crisis until now, and is presided not just on this case where 5300 people were involved in technically possibly creating phony accounts for credit cards and for depositors in order to charge fees and in order to make those cross sell objectives that are set on high, but for years he was knowledgeable of it. and during those years, wells fargo racked up about $10 billion on this particular set of activities was only $185

million. wells fargo has racked up $10 billion worth of fines for criminal activity from foreclosure abuses to defrauding the government to of using hispanic and african-american communities with respect to mortgage related activities. they have done an array of crimes allender john stumpf. case, let this particular 5300 people, take the fall for one of them. juan: you mentioned previous cases. there was an article in yesterday's "new york times" about some of those mortgage fraud cases where in fact gretchen morgenstern quotes a federal judge in 2013 demanding that the bank provide him with a corporate resolution signed by its president and a majority of its board, stating they stood behind the conduct of the bank's in one particular case. the judge said the disconnect between wells fargo's publicly advertised phase and its actual litigation conduct here could

not be more extreme. say, ethereal you situation of the banking, yet why du think the federal government ended up with such a low fine and still no -- even though they claim they're doing a criminal investigation, no sense that anyone exactly going to be indicted for what happened here? >> because in this case and drug those multiple cases, which wells fargo and all other large banking institutions i might add, have been involved in in different ways, the government refuses to prosecute any of these people because it doesn't want to. if you and i and amy were sitting there committing grand larceny across state lines, we would not -- we would be in that room. we would be walking out with serious chill time. it in the case of these people, they not only have committed crimes by directing crimes -- that is what happens when you're

going -- you take your minions, sort of direct them to do your bidding, and in john stumpf's case and the case you're talking about, juan, that was a settlement that wells fargo do with the department of justice. as part of the settlements, it was supposed to provide certain information and stop certain abuses. it was actually recharged by the attorney general of new york for not complying with its settlement. this was in 2012. this is where john stumpf was supposedly knowledgeable of this other smaller crime and not doing anything about it. he should have walked out of that senate committee, then handcuffed, been indicted, and had all of these multiple charges put upon him as director of this institution. , i want torins switch gears to ask about donald trump. donald trump, recent "washington post" investigation reveals donald trump used $258,000 from

his family foundation, the donald j. trump foundation, to pay off legal fees associated with his businesses -- which is illegal under u.s. law. >> right. basically, you're not supposed to take a triple foundation and cross over the line into supporting or business dealings. what he did in the case of $285,000 worth of activities is he did that. these are only the ones we know about. the pattern is not dissimilar to the pattern of wells fargo, which is effectively using other people's money to meet his business obligations to make him either richer or to make problems go away -- which is what he did in those cases in which it is likely he has done in many other cases. it shows a particular pattern of behavior where you find money in one place that you should not be using that you legally should not be using, any use that to affect profit in another location. that is what he did. amy: and he did not, have been

given/he is not given to his own foundation. ,e spent what he calls opm other people's money. >> and this is something to be concerned about if you were elected president. if you can find and use other peoples people's money illegally in one capacity, then you have this skill and you have the track record to do that and other types of capacities. he has done that not just with respect to his charitable foundation, he is used money to effectively buy off government officials in order to make certain legal settlements related to his private business enterprises go better for him. he is basically funded, whether it is political people or it is certain court cases, individuals behind the scenes to be able to affect positive outcome for his businesses. it is not just in charities, but public offices as well in which he has used his money to benefit his private interest. there is no doubt that pattern exists.

that israel information. that is not a conspiratorial accusation. that is something for which he has been doing for extensively decades. juan: we're heading into the last few month of the obama administration. the title of your new book is " all the presidents bankers." how do you assess obama in dealing with the criminal activity in the fraud of some any of the major banks in this country? >> we just talked about john stumpf at the beginning. the obama administration has not gotten behind prosecuting in in the individuals at the top of these banks. we basically have three sets of individuals at the head of the three of the six largest banks. they have not only benefited from the post crisis environment and with the government has allowed them to get away with, or institutions have grown and flourished as they have been paying very small settlements related to what their profits

are to the united states government. the obama administration has done a very poor job of handling the criminality of the banking system, of changing the banking system, personally making criminal basisa the individuals that run the largest institutions in this country. in addition, it is not broken up the banks. we have a situation where these individuals control so many deposits of the american people because they are allowed to do so because of our regulatory framework. theregulatory framework in latest impairment that happened under bill clinton before obama came into power still exists. that is why there's so much power in these institutions. that is why these individuals get away with so much and why the obama administration has done a very poor job of changing any of that or the benefit of our country or economic stability going forward. amy: elizabeth warren call for john stumpf to resign and to be criminallay investigative. what do you think will happen? >> i think you will do none of

those. he might be criminally investigated, but as we have seen that hasn't happened, so it might be a low probability. if he is, all of the money he has made under the elizabeth warren talked about that he is made during this time and not just from this crime but from all of the multiple once you have led to those $10 billion worth of settlement, have not only enriched them, but even the fines have not come out of his own pocket. he has had zero accountability, zero cost to himself personally. zero reason to resign. the other reason for not resigning as he runs the board. normally in a situation in a company where you're talking about a resignation, there's a board decision, and analysis, recommendation to keep or get rid of a ceo. none of that has happened because he runs board. this is the case in other banking institutions as well. amy: we have to leave it there. nomi prins, thank you for being with us. >> it is unlikely he will resign. very unlikely we will see him in cost. amy: we have to wrap up. i'm amy

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