12/16/16 12/16/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> for them to introduce 25 bills on one day in a special session and not inform anyone on the other side of the aisle or the citizens, is nothing but tyranny. takeorth carolina needs to heed, the citizens need to reject this, and the entire world of this nation needs to reject what is going on. amy: attempting to strip

power from the states incoming .overnor, democrat roy cooper this week, republicans introduced dozens of new bills to rewrite the state's balance of power. we will speak to the reverend william barber, president of repairs of the breach and head of the north carolina naacp. then to donald trump and his generals. mr. trump: i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. amy: on the campaign trail, donald trump lambasted the performance of u.s. military generals. now he is surrounding himself with generals in many top post. we will speak with andrew bacevich to talk about the generals and trump's overall foreign policy. aboutknows as as much national security as i know about running a business. and what i'm about running a business is next to nothing. amy: then to pirates of the caribbean. we will look at how the

revolving door with puerto rico's republican -- make is a fiscal catastrophe for the erto rican people. all of that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the syrian government says it's temporarily suspended the evacuation of civilians from eastern aleppo after accused the anti-government rebel fighters of breaking the terms of the ceasefire. one of the terms called for anti-government rebels to allow for the evacuation of wounded civilians in another part of syria: two government-held towns in idlib province, which have been besieged by rebels. about 8000 people did successfully escape from eastern aleppo thursday before the evacuations were halted. there are also separate news reports of evacuation convoys being fired upon. on thursday, dozens of united nations workers staged a walkout in new york city to show solidarity with the syrian people. >> we stand united in solidarity

with the people of syria. we call upon the member states of the united nations, in particular the security council, to take urgent, practical action to end the horror in syria. amy: in the united states, president obama has vowed to retaliate against russia over russia's alleged meddling in the u.s. presidential election to help donald trump win. this is president obama speaking on npr thursday. pres. obama: i think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections, that we need to take action. and we will at a time in a place of our own choosing. some of it may be explicit and publicized, some of it may not be. is well aware of

my feelings about this because i spoke to him directly about it. amy: according to nbc, unnamed u.s. intelligence officials say russian president vladimir putin was personally involved the effort to meddle in the 2016 u.s. presidential election to help donald trump win. the cia has accused russia of intervening, and president obama has ordered a review of russia's role. president-elect donald trump has called the claims ridiculous. donald trump has tapped the far right bankruptcy lawyer david friedman to be the u.s. ambassador to israel. many are calling friedman an unprecedented pick for the position, given his support for israelis and palestinians and his disregard for international law. friedman has no diplomatic experience. he supports jewish only settlements and says he does not think would be illegal for israel to annex the entire palestinian territory. despite the fact it would be blatantly illegal under international law. on friedman also said he opposes thursday, a two-state solution for israel and palestine. >> the trump administration will never pressure israel into a two

state solution or any other solution that is against the wishes of the israeli people. amy: in response to the announcement, jewish voice for peace said -- "it is a distressing signal that the new administration will give the israeli government a free hand to deepen its fundamentally undemocratic and abuse of control over palestinian land resources and rights." donald trump's cabinet is the richest in history. the 17 people trump has selected for either cabinet or cabinet-level positions so far have nearly $10 billion in combined wealth. that's more than the 43 million poorest americans have combined, and trump has still not filled some key positions. one of trump's top advisers has suggested that trump may give his eldest daughter ivanka and her husband jared kusher formal positions in the white house, claiming the trump transition team believes they've found an exception to the united states' anti-nepotism laws kellyannconway said -- "the anti-nepotism law

apparently has an exception if you want to work in the st , bethe presiden able to appoint his own staff." trump has already sparked increasing concerns about conflicts of interest by including his adult children in key political meetings, including the vetting of potential cabinet members given , his children's role in running the trump business empire. in new york city, dozens of native americans and allies held protests at four separate bank branches thursday to demand wells fargo, citibank, and td divest from the $3.8 billion dakota access pipeline. the actions were organized by a group of native americans who traveled from standing rock to new york city, bringing with them a sacred drum from wounded knee. the group blocked traffic during rush this is saige pourier from hour. the pine ridge reservation in south dakota. they are the biggest involved with the

dakota access pipeline. we are telling them no. water is sacred. this is life. without it, nobody can survive. it is for our children. amy: the actions thursday in new york city were part of a month-long campaign to target the major wall street banks funding the dakota access pipeline. this is standing rock sioux nation member chase iron eyes during one of the disruptions. >> we were never the aggressors. all we wanted was peace and to raise our families and to know the power of these. but we do not know peace because your money is funding genocide in north dakota right now. take a long, hard look and you will know why we are here and why we are never going away. amy: meanwhile in iowa, residents rallied in support of farmers and landowners who are fighting the dakota access pipeline companies use of eminent domain to seize their

land to build a pipeline. the 14 landowners argued in the state court thursday that regulators should not have authorized use of eminent domain in this case because the pipeline does not serve the public good. partners, ther company behind the pipeline, is moot given the pipeline has are ready been built despite residents resistance. in charleston south carolina, a , jury has found dylann roof guilty on 33 counts of federal hate crimes for murdering nine black worshipers, including pastor, clementa pinckney, at the historic emanuel ame church in june 2015. the verdict, reached after the jury deliberated for less than two hours, came after 30 witnesses testified over six days. one of the witnesses was felicia sanders, who said she watched as roof pulled out a glock .45-caliber hagun and began shooting, striking and wounding her son and killing her aunt. she says she took cover underneath a table with her 11-year-old granddaughter and tried to cover herself and the girl in other people's blood so

roof would think they were already dead. roof embraced white supremacist views and was shown in photographs posing with the confederate flag and a pistol. dylan ruth's -- dylan ruth's is facing the death penalty, a sentence that will be decided in the penalty phase of the trial, slated to begin january 3. in new york city, a jury has convicted former rikers correction officer brian coll of beating prisoner ronald spear to death in 2012. officer coll was accused of repeatedly kicking spear in the head while two other officers held him down, causing spear's heart to stop. during the trial, the prosecutors said not only did officer coll not regret killing ronald spear, but he was proud of it and displayed a framed article in the village voice about the killing in his bedroom. officer coll faces life in prison. and in chile, today is the launch of a new art exposition entitled "2054," which reveals

for the first time testimonies of survivors of torture under the pinochet dictatorship that the government had sought to keep secret for decades. the stories were collected as part of a commission launched in 2003 in order to document the torture under the dictatorship of general pinochet. in 2004, the chilean government passed a law ordering the testimonies to remain secret for 50 years until 2054. , but a project launched by chilean artist francisco papas fritas and torture survivors has now succeeded in declassifying these testimonies. this is one of the torture survivor scarlett mathieu loguercio. >> on linden street, i was held approximately 10 days. while i was there, i suffered all kinds of tortures, specifically sexual, political violence, psychologically torture threatening me with attention of my children. psychological torture forcing me to listen to how other people were tortured, which is something difficult to endure. psychologically, you're left traumatized because when they

torture you in some way, your all the time resisting. it when you listen to how they torture other people, and i have talked about this with several people, it is one of the most difficult things to endure. amy: on democracy now! spoke thursday, with artist francisco papas fritas about the importan of declassifying these testimonies. for chile important because it opens up the real chance for chile to take control into demand truth about what happened under the dictatorship. this is something that neither the executive branch nor the legislature or even the judiciary which has had its hands tied, have been able to do. this is what the families are asking for -- just as in the reconstruction of memory. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. republican lawmakers in north carolina are being accused of

waging a legislative coup by attempting to strip power from the state's incoming governor democrat roy cooper. cooper narrowly beat republican governor pat mccrory by 10,000 votes last month. in an unprecedented move, republicans filed dozens of new bills during a special session of the general assembly called to consider relief for hurricane matthew victims. the republican lawmakers are attempting to impose measures to slash the number of state employees appointed by the governor, require senate approval for all of the governor's cabinet picks, and strip the governor of the power to appoint university of north carolina trustees. another bill aims to weaken the governor's control over the state elections board. yet another republican bill would strip some power away from the democratic governor and give it to the lieutenant governor who happens to be a republican. the bills were being considered until after republican governor patrick

currie conceded defeat. governor-elect roy cooper criticized the actions of the republican lawmakers. >> republican leadership in the general simile has put forth a number of proposed pieces of legislation over the last 12 to 24 hours. most people might the this is a partisan power grab. but it is really more ominous. it is really about hurting public education, working families, state employees, health care and clean air and water. amy: at least 17 people were arrested at the state capitol thursday protesting the republican efforts. the naacp of north carolina has decried the legislative actions describing it as a form of jim , crow governance. meanwhile, another effort by republican lawmakers to pack the state supreme court, which just tilts democratic, appears to have been defeated.

republicans were threatening to try to add two more justices to the court after democratic african american judge mike morgan defeated a republican incumbent in the november election, tilting the court 4-3 democrats. the north carolina supreme court has seven judges for the last 80 years. tol, for more, we're going north carolina we are joined by reverend dr. william barber, president of the north carolina naacp. welcome back to democracy now! so it took the republican governor mccrory about a month to concede defeat, right? he is the first -- he is the only republican incumbent goverr who was defeated in the sweep through the country this year. then explain what happened. >> thank you so much, amy, for having me on democracy now! let me say to all of the head to thell roads

general simile. we need to there by 10:00 a.m. we have his election, and what you have are a group of extremist desk to party extremist who are very afraid of the changing south and the chiming do -- changing demographics of north carolina. you are right, the governor refused to concede. they are scared because we are the only state that held off the full weight of trumpism in the south. our movement has been working for years. we were able to change the consciousness of the state. in the governor lost the election. amy, theafter, republican-led state board of election put in place 158 less voting sites, early voting sites, then we had in 2014 and 2012. they lost the worst voter suppression deal they pushed.

the court said it was surgical racism. they lost on redistrict. the courts have demanded we have to redraw lines and happen election next year with the legislature. they lost the governor's race come the secretary of race, the auditor's race, the attorney general's race, and the supreme court became more progressive with an african-american winning 76 of the 100 counties and winning by over 300,000 votes. it is a sign of things to come when we organize in the south. so the governor and those extremists did everything they could. they even purged votes during the election. they lost again. we forced votes to be put back on the books. they tried everything. it when there is a moral movement of the people, we can change the south. if you do that, you change the nation. so now with these losses, they're engaging in this extreme power grab and policy grab. juan: reverend barber, you wrote

recently in a column for think progress you think you're seeing the third reconstruction. what do you mean exactly? >> the first reconstruction in the 1800s, black and white worked together after slavery a fundamentally changed the south. then you had this massive reaction to turn back all of those policies -- which actually came to the strongest point with , who wastion of hayes a presidential candidate who lost the popular vote but was selected through the electoral process with the promise that he would restore the white hierarchy, if you will, in the country by his appointment and by changing the supreme court. the second reconstruction was the civil rights movement. you had all of the massive changes of the civil rights acts , the war on poverty, the 1954 to 1968, then a reaction called the southern strategy led by ken

phillips and richard nixon, law and order to stop richard nixon claimed -- kevin phillips, excuse me, told me if you find out who hates who and who fears you, we can fit people against one another in the south and we can rule be south for 50 years. if you rule be south, if you can control the south, you control 171 electoral votes by just controlling the former 13 confederate states. you control 26 senators in the united states center desk senate. you control 31% of the united states house of representatives. governors andl 13 13 general a sum was that control state boards of election. if you break through that, then you a fundamentally changed politics. i believe all of the pushback we are seeing, the redistricting is see thethe extremists possibility of a third

reconstruction. they know if we registered 30% of the unregistered african-american voters and we added that whites and progressive rights and latinos, you will have changed the south. if you ever change that math and you empty down organizing that gets people to stop voting against their own interests, grown-up conversations about race and economics, and people begin to see themselves as allies -- blacks and whites -- and no longer fear one another, then you have a third reconstruction. i think we are in the birth pains of it. virginia is one of the places that points to it. the closing gaps we are seeing. trump did not when the south by the gaps ronald reagan did. if we have deep down organizing in the south, we can push this third reconstruction. i really believe that. juan: you have also talked repeatedly about the difference between fusion politics and populism. could you elaborate on that as well? >> populism once was a lynch mob

in the south. trump is engaged in a certain kind of nativism and populism. fusion politics grows out -- it was named during the first reconstruction when black former slaves and white farmers, poor people, became allies in the south. and saw their common interest. when you have fusion, when you will economic -- i am concerned, for instance, about the way some progressives are talking about this election. they keep talking about this economic fix or we just need to talk to white working poor people. if you do not factor in race and it was set at princeton, you would not have a trump without an obama, that president obama's election represented the kind of inversion of a hierarchy in this country. ist we have to wrestle with what caused many whites to vote for a candidate that actually

says -- an 8 million more white people are poor them black, but they both for a candidate that is against living wages. what causes many whites to vote for a candidate is has, i'm going to cut your health care, when 80% of the people who will ease their who -- health care are people that do not have a degree and 50% of them are white. what trump's common sense? that is the grown-up raise policy question. if you can bridge that with fusion and you can get black people and white people and latinos to begin to see their issues together, if you can get people, for instance, the lgbt does the same people against health care vote against living wages. you can go on and on. can buildtes, if you from the bottom up, fusion coalition, he can have the kind of transformation we are

beginning to see in north carolina and the south. amy: i want to go back to what is being called the legislative coup in north carolina. this is dallas woodhouse, the executive director of the state republican party's begin to reporters thursday. >> do two wrongs make a right? i think it is the inevitable outcome of divided government and the checks and balances that come with it in the checks and balances people are voting for. cooper still gets the keys to the mansion at some point on january 1. he still gets the use of the bill all room. come toublicans bills him, he can sign them or choose not to sign them. in most cases, he can sit there and be overridden. >> didn't voters thicke roy cooper with the assumption the hadrs of the governir -- governor had? >> i don't know i can answer that. the voters can at times be

contradictory. cooper won one election. amy: that is dallas woodhouse, executive director of the state republican party. if you can respond, reverend barber, to what he says, and also goes through the bills. it is just astounding what is happening. it is something like -- >> 22. amy: talk about the powers they are trying to strip. now the incoming governor saying he may well do. >> and we may as well because we believe a lot of violations, even evil protection violations here, violations of the voting rights act violations of open meeting walls. to know who, yet dallas woodhouse's. i do not normally comment too much about him. he is so little credibility. his own brother has called him a racist. we won out a memo after

our voter suppression case in the courts, and the courts unanimously said republican party, the extremist that engaged in surgical racism, he sent a letter out telling them to put in place rules that reflect republican values and not what the courts had said. over and over again, this man has just no integrity when it comes to telling the truth. first of all, they did not win the legislature. because they won. the current makeup of our legislature is the worst redistricting we have seen since the 19th century. that is why the courts have said this legislature must have a new elections next year. it is normally every two years. the lines must be redraw on and her must be a new election because the people elected now, the general assembly is unconstitutionally constituted, number one. number two, the powers that when he says use the ballroom. that is that the role of the

governor. the governor ran and at-large election and was elected. what they're trying to do now, for instance, they want to change the governor's ability to have his own cabinet. they want it to come through the senate. because they do not want the governor to put in place persons that will help them implement medicaid expansion and five for more money for public education and stop sending money to private schools. they do not want that. they do not want this governor to really be able to push the issues of living wages and voting rights. they want to limit his ability, make him have to go to the senate in order to get his approval. number two, while we blocked them from changing the supreme court, they now want to force cases that have to go from superior court to a 15 judge repel it does appellate panel. they want all of the judges to hear it rather than the panel before gus to the supreme court because now the supreme court is a more progressive court.

to blockree, there try his appointment on the state board of election because we have somebody now who has elected state superintendent who is really anti-public schools. there try to block his ability uncappoint people to the board of trustees. we're still reading some of the deals they're pushing through. but this is their fear. i want the listeners to hear this, amy. they are afraid. they are fearful. they know that 58% of north carolinians want medicaid expansion. almost 80% of north carolinians want a living wage. this legislature would not even put it on the balance of north carolinians could vote on that. them and we have beat voter suppression. we have been fed over redistrict thing. they see this tide rising. they see if you look at the pictures yesterday, black and white and latino people standing together in the deep south, and they know that if we have policy

movement along with this kind of moral movements, it will not only energize north carolina, but it could energize the rest of the south and cause people to stand up and see we are no longer in the minority if we engage in real fusion politics. herrod politics. the christian story, herrod was so scared his power was going to be taken, that he engaged in the most mean-spirited and vicious kind of attempts to hold onto power. legislature,rod rather than a legislature acting like a democracy that we live in. juan: specifically, what you mentioned about the necessity now for a new election to the legislature, this almost seems like the last and of the existing gerrymandered legislation before the new elections come next year. could you talk about the impact

of the supreme court decision, taking the weight voting rights protections from many localities around the country? how that might affect the final decision on these redraw districts? >> i actually think a lot of what we're seeing our last stance. i think when president obama was elected, for instance, your decision coalition. he won in virginia and north carolina, florida. i think that scared extremists, which is why you have the 15 who got together and said, we're going to block him from doing anything. jeff sessions was in that group who is now being proposed for the attorney general. i think the fact that run a mcconnell -- we talked a lot about the racism of trump. look at mcconnell and ryan. for me, racism was not the kkk or david duke were calling somebody the "n" word, it is policy. ryan and mccall no dust mcconnell, they have held up

fixing the voting rights act for 25,st 1200 days since june 2015, with the supreme court passed this ill-fated decision in shelby. strong thuman only filibustered the civil rights act for one day, 24 hours. these people have held up fixing the voting rights act section four bags of section five thing can be implemented in states like north carolina for over 1200 days. they are afraid. they are afraid of the last ability of us organizing all of america. that is the same thing you see here. this legislature has been told twice by the highest courts, you are racist. you have engaged in racist voter suppression and racist gerrymandering. they know they cannot win without this. for instance, what they did when they redistricted, they put 49% ofblack voters into 19 out

50 senate districts, and they put 51% of like voters into 27 out of 120 house seat. they did that to isolate stacked and packed the black vote, not just to disallow or keep black people from being elected, but to keep black and white people from forming fusion coalitions to elect progressive candidates. that is what the game was. and all of that is falling apart now. they see is falling apart in their face. we have to understand what is at stake. and none of it would have been possible if we had section 5 preclearance. if that preclearance was in place in the people in the congress understand this, none of these laws that have been passed in the south would have been able to have been passed, and -- and i think the story, amy, that we have not talked about, is this election. berman says we had almost

900 less voting sites in the black unity in this election than we had in 2012. he could have impacted more than one million african-american voters. we did not have one discussion in our national debate -- candidates for president -- about voting rights and racism as a relates to voting rights. that was a tremendous error during his campaign. amy: i want to ask you about news from your neighboring's date south airliner. on thursday, jurors in charleston found white grimaces still in storm roof guilty of 33 counts of federal hate crimes for shooting nine people dead at the historic emanuel african methodist episcopal church on june 17, 2015. roof embraced white supremacist views, was shown in photographs posing with the confederat confederate flag. now facing the death penalty. the new talk about dylan roof, as well as the white supremacy we're seeing in the so-called

alt right, and your thoughts on him getting the death penalty, reverend barber. >> it is a complex conversation. limit give a shout out to my good friend dr. randolph who is president of the south carolina naacp who is been fighting issues in south carolina for a long time. this is a very shakespearean moment. he was guilty. we know he was guilty. he confessed to being guilty. now he has been found guilty. relief for a certain the families. but the irony of it, we have come through this campaign, this trumpism with all of this over racism and othering, you know, at the same time we are conducting damon roof. we have a candidate who is now president-elect who began his movement on birtherism and demeaning and announcing the very birthright of our president.

we have policies being proposed. we have jeff sessions who attempted to prosecute civil rights leaders for participating in registering people to vote who is against voting rights and civil rights who will now be possibly be attorney general. we have all right -- i call it alt-wrong, in the heart of the oval office. we haven't seen it that blatant since 1915 when birth of a nation was played in the oval office about woodrow wilson. washe way, damon roof captured in shelby, the hometown of the playwright who wrote the movie in the script for "birth of a nation. now we have this alt-wrong in the office, 100 years later, from her examination to test all right inion to

the oval office. we have a rise in systemic policies. you people being put in place that are going to do what i call destruction from the inside. hhs, health and human services, who i believe will do great damage to the health and human services, will hurt many black people and white people. we come to this election where people have been divided by race and fear. donald trump is not the first white man who has used racial division to be elected. this is not the first time america as that with a racist president. but what we should be surprised about is the ease of which he was able to use it in the 21st century, and the way in which people fought this racism and othering we're seeing. we're in a troubling time. while damon roof has been found guilty, south carolina is still guilty. south carolina, after those nine deaths, you know, my frat brother reverend pinckney was

killed. he fought for more money for public education. the south carolina legislature sed morepushed -- pas money for public education in his name. nikki haley, now -- he fought for the pulling down of the confederate flag. the flag did not come down until nine people were killed, which way, says only black death matters. you fall for living wage, health care expansion that would help black and poor white people of south carolina. south carolina still guilty of not expanding health care. and not raising the living wage and still having right to work laws, which actually right to discriminate laws that keep labeling out of the south. yes, we have convicted damon roof, but south carolina and america is still guilty of systemic policy racism.

and the only way we're going to get at it is to have a massive fusion, moral movement in this country, particularly out of the south. the cymer 31st, we're having a national watch night, poor people's campaign, metropolitan church in washington, d.c., calling people to stand up against extremism, calling for a race class audit that we will release on april 4, the anniversary of dr. king's death, and calling for, lastly, not a remembrance, but i read engagement of the poor people's campaign in 2017-2018 all across the nation. amy: dr. reverend william barber, thank you for being with us president of the north , carolina naacp, and moral mondays leader. his recent article for think progress is titled, "we are witnessing the birth pangs of a third reconstruction." we will link to it at democracynow.org. when we come back, andrew bacevich joins us to talk about the generals in the cabinet.

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amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we turn now to look at donald trump and his generals. mr. trump: i know more about isis then the generals do, believe me. juan: that was donald trump on the campaign trail. it was just one of several times where he publicly criticized the actions of u.s. generals. but now that he has become president-elect, trump has taken a different by nominating generals to several key posts. trump has nominated retired general james "mad dog" mattis as defense secretary, retired marine general john kelly as homeland security secretary and , retired army lieutenant general michael flynn to serve as his national security adviser. flint is well-known for his anti-muslim worldview having caused -- called islam a cancer.

amy: for more we're joined by andrew bacevich a retired , colonel and vietnam war veteran. his latest book is titled "america's war for the greater middle east: a military history." he is professor emeritus of international relations and history at boston university. he joins us in our studio here in new york. welcome to democracy now! your thoughts -- this is the highest concentration of generals propose for a ever? our presidents for retired generals serving in senior positions. i suppose the most notable of them, the one we remember would be george c marshall, who after world war ii was harry truman secretary of state. and also served a brief time as secretary of defense. why did marshall get those appointment? because marshall played a very substantial role in winning war -- world war ii. he was a general who won a war.

it seems to me the common characteristic of the senior generals being appointed by mr. trump, and we could add to the list, by the way, lieutenant general keith kellogg who was just announced to be the chief of staff to lieutenant general flynn, so at least four now generals, the cow -- common characteristic is none of them have won a war. the country -- we are in a state of permanent war. we certainly have a large cadre of generals with enormous experience in managing wars. we have yet to find a general who can actually bring one of these wars to a successful conclusion. you have to ask yourself, what then are the particular aptitudes or qualities that these people are going to bring to their o in -- among the civilian world? and the answer is, i don't know. the clip you played about trump

expressing contempt for generals, suddenly we have a romance, and infatuation with generals. for have that is simply one more indication of the consistency of trump being inconsistent. amy: doesn't he often get offended by things he is defensive about? something like five deferments? >> yes, we have a commander-in-chief or commander-in-chief to be who has suddenly discovered his affinity for generals, he himself, trump himself, his military bandits -- express was a teenager at a new york literary academy. obviously, not he alone, but when he had an opportunity to serve in the military back in the vietnam era, he chose to find a different route that would make it unnecessary for him to do so. juan: i want to ask you about the appointment that is that perhaps the most concern are

controversy is lieutenant general michael flynn for national security advisor. >> he is in islamaphobic, an -- tibor, a fanatic mentally, and this may be most troubling, temperamentally he does seem to be like trump himself. i suppose you could say he speaks with great candor or about without thinking implications of what he has to say. i think it is a deeply troubling appointment. one could contrast him with mattis was certainly, highly respected route the military establishment as far as i can tell. i suspect was a very good marine general. while we need a marine general running the pentagon is another question. one might entertain some amount of hope that mattis will serve as something of a check with

ynn's or radical inclinations. particularly on issues like iran. mattis has said he believes that we should retain the iran nuclear deal, and i personally counselpe that prevails. amy: on the issue of mike flynn, he was fired by obama as head of the dia. in 2010, he, what, shared classified information in afghanistan without authorization, but was not brought up on any charges around that. his some recently was involved with a fake news scandal, putting out -- and his son, mike flynn, was his chief of staff of transition, putting out information a pizzeria was the child sex ring and washington, d.c., soy man when it with a gun

to deal with this fake news. he was fired. your thoughts further on mike flynn and what he means to head up national security? >> my sense is the way presidential politics works, the politics of the inner circle, is that when a new president takes office, taking office initiates a competition. it initiates competition among his senior appointees to determine who is really going to have the ear of the president. for example, george w. bush. we had cheney as vice president, colin powell as secretary of state -- another general -- and donald rumsfeld. rather quickly, particularly after 9/11, it became clear that cheney and rumsfeld forged an alliance and basically squeezed colin powell out -- one of the results, i think, is the iraq war.

is very much remains to be seen, i think, in the new administration as to how much clout and influence a guy like flynn is really going to be able to exercise. because we are going to have a secretary of state. we're going to have a different secretary who may well see things differently. and the three of them -- the big three and national security terms -- will compete with one another. they will compete is he who then can exercise influence over donald trump. of course, with trump, we have the additional question, can anybody really influence him? to what degree is he is a person who will be amenable to taking counsel of advisers? we were pretty sure previous presidents were willing to do that. we can't be sure of this president. juan: you wrote an article .ecently in the nation your thoughts about how obama

used military force around the world and how a trump presidency might approach use of military force differently? >> the just of the article is to say, with regard to the use of force, president obama has been quite ineffective. he inherited two wars in iraq and afghanistan. he will bequeath to wars, iraq and afghanistan. the expanse of u.s. military involvement has increased over his eight years in office. but that said, i think when we look beyond his management of wars and other issues, for paris climate change accords, the iran nuclear , in athe opening to cuba variety of other ways, thing president obama does not get the credit he deserves. i speculate that over time, he may rate higher. you know, it is just so

difficult to speculate on trump. i just learned coming in this morning that his appointee to be the ambassador to israel is, to put it mildly, a hardliner, is a blockage or. amy: let's talk about david friedman, the far right groups the lawyer tapped by donald trump to be ambassador to israel . he supports israel's jewish only settlements in the occupied west bank, says he does not think would be illegal for israel to annex the entire palestinian territory, despite the fact it would be illegal under international law. in october, he appeared on the israel network i 24 news. what will donald trump recognize -- solar capital? >> yes, he said that countless times. he will recognize the city of jerusalem as israel's eternal capital, move the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem.

quite so trump's policy, as far as the israeli jewish american voter, why should israeli voters, israeli american voters vote for trump? >> well, if those who want to strong relationship between israel and the united states with no daylight, those who want to see israel protected at the united nations, those who want to see the strongest level of military and strategic cooperation between the two countries, those who don't want to see any daylight between the two countries, those who want to live in environment or the u.s. does not attempt to impose upon israel a solution to the palestinian conflict against the state of israel, those who want to see jerusalem recognize as the capital of israel camino, vote for donald trump. amy: that is david friedman who donald trump has just tapped to israel. he is actual donald trump's bankruptcy lawyer. your comment on what he just put

forward? >> ambassadors don't make policy, but, i mean, ambassadors reflect the policies made by the chief of state. but if friedman knows what he is talking about, then we're about to see a radical, radical change in u.s. policy with regard thousand 50 israel, but with regard to the whole israeli-palestinian question. are -- if i could use a slightly provocative term first, you might believe those developers. you might believe as i believe, one of the pressing problems we face is trying to restore some semblance of stability to that part of the world. then the steps that he just laid out are going to put us in exactly the other direction. it may work to the benefit of israel in the short term, but it is simply going to increase the likelihood of violence.

it is going to extend the conflicts that have engulfed this part of the world. from an american perspective, i don't see how that could possibly be viewed as good news. amy: interface surgery which --andrew bacevich, thank you for being with us retired colonel , and vietnam war veteran. his latest book is titled "america's war for the greater middle east: a military history." when we come back, we look at puerto rico. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: we turn now to pirates of the caribbean, the name of a shocking new report on how the bank's revolving door with puerto rico's development bank exacerbated a fiscal catastrophe with the puerto rican people, released by hedge clippers, the

report reveals how two top appointees to the federal overseeing board -- the federal board promesa actually helped create the puerto rico debt crisis. there now in charge of fixing the two appointees are former bank executives jose ramon gonzalez and carlos m. garcia. amy: for more we are joined by teresa casertano, the global campaign organizing committee -- coordinator with communications workers of america, or cwa. she's with the committee for better banks and a manager for the santander bank organizing campaign. talk about this report, pirates of the caribbean. >> good morning. pirates of the caribbean -- pirates in this story effectively are sometime -- the mentionedthat juan and carlos garcia, a global

banking giant. it is a spanish bank. it is headquartered in madrid. role ofrt looks at the the bank in generating puerto rico's public debt. then when it became unsustainable and puerto rico, was not able to keep the same executives responsible for helping to generate that that, were then -- that debt within appointed to the promesa control board to determine how that debt would be restructured and what entities would be paid. so our report looked at 90 debt wass, where santander either the principal underwriter underwriterseam of , which resulted in $61.2 billion of public debt for puerto rico.

and that is almost equivalent to puerto rico's current debt load, which is $70 billion. as an underwriter -- an underwriter is essentially an arranger. santander structured the bonds, purchased the bonds from puerto rico, and then sold them to investors. facilitating these transactions, they were compensated handsomely. he created $61.2 billion in debt and received issuance fees of about $1 billion. garcia, who was one of the architects of the debt deals by santander securities, he moved from santander to become the head of

the government development bank of order rico. profiting off the creation of the debt deals to becoming the protector, the gatekeeper, the advisor to the puerto rican government, into the government entities that needed to structure new bond deals. effectively, became the approver and the selector of the underwriters who would facilitate these deals. what some people have called him foxde hedge clippers is the guarding the hen house. presidents of the government development bank, carlos garcia brought in a team of current and former santander

executives to really had a grip on the government development 2012.rom 2009 until , the his leadership government development bank used a number of what some people call questionable, others call abusive or predatory. -- abusive or predatory debt structures. one example is the covina bond, which was often used to refinance and pay interest on previous bonds. it was back by sales tax. effectively, these bonds were on small the taxes transactions by poor people and

working people of puerto rico. juan: i just want to clarify, gonzalez and garcia have both worked with santander at one time or another and then went over to the government side actually be involved in the issue of these a now both of them, many of these bonds, and now both of them are in charge of figuring out how to get puerto rico out of the mess they helped create? the amazing thing is, one of them was appointed by the democrats and the other was appointed by the republicans. so it doesn't seem that both the republicans in congress and the obama administration have no problem with the people who created the crisis now trying to figure out how to solve it. >> that is exactly right. jose ramon gonzalez and carlos

garcia, different times, were the head of the government development bank and also top executives at other times top executives of santander securities responsible for issuing the bonds. yes, that is ectly correct. when the debt became a sustainable -- and one walk a we only have 15 seconds. and 2015, and the physical control board was appointed by the obama -- obama administration, of the seven political appointees, those two executives were appointed to the physical control board to determine what entities will be paid under the debt restructuring. amy: we want to thank you for being with us, teresa casertano, the global campaigns organizing coordinator with cwa. democracy now! is looking for

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