10/10/17 10/10/17 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> i ask you to immediately of thethe intervention catalan institution until we withdraw the extra police deployed in catalonia. these are indispensable steps to open a dialogue and recover institutional formalities. amy: barcelona's mayor ada colau calls for saint remove thousands of state police who have been deployed to catalonia at of tonight's expected declaration of independence, possibly triggering intervention by spanish forces. we will speak with wikileaks founder and editor-in-chief julian assange who is been advising those pushing to secede on how to communicate securely even as the state pushes back.

security --sh state for the catalonia population. to make it easy for them to understand the structure of catalonia in society. who's important, who isn't important, etc.. you protect yourself. you protect your friends. amy: as calls for gun control in the aftermath of the las vegas massacre, we will speak with about gunliam barber violence and violence policy. >> what is this commitment that we have two guns? psychosisis strange that when these things happen we want to blame everything but the guns? what kind of stranglehold does the nra, what kind of blood thirst, commitment do we have? and this culture, american

culture, we have to own the violence. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in california, powerful winds and bone-dry conditions fueled massive wildfires throughout much of the state, leaving at least 10 people dead, destroying whole neighborhoods, and forcing 20,000 people to evacuate their homes. state fire officials say they're battling at least 14 major fires in eight counties. one of the worst blazes was in the city of santa rosa in northern california's sonoma county, where fire ripped through a trailer park, destroyed homes, restaurants and hotels, and forced medical teams at the kaiser permanente hospital to evacuate 130 patients as flames approached. this is santa rosa resident dave rollans. -- david rollans. >> this is apocalyptic it seems. this is so far out of the norm.

i'm from southern california. i've never seen anything like this in an urban area. amy: northern california hospitals report at least 170 people have sought medical treatment, mostly for smoke inhalation but also for burns. meanwhile another massive fire in southern california's orange county spread across the anaheim hills monday, forcing the evacuation of 5000 homes. that blaze has scorched over 6000 acres and is only about 5% contained. the wildfires come after the u.s. forest service warned last year that an unprecedented five-year drought led to the deaths of more than 100 million trees in california, setting the stage for massive fires. climate scientists believe human-caused global warming played a major role in the drought. in washington, d.c., the trump administration said tuesday it will end the clean power plan, president obama's landmark rule on greenhouse gas emissions from power plants. epa administrator scott pruitt made the annncement standing

alongside senate republican leader mitch mcconnell during a visit to a coal mining and construction firm in hazard, kentucky. >> any regulatory body can kentucky. pick winners and losers. the cast of administration was unapologetic. they were using every bit of power come every bit of authority to use the epa to pick winners and users and how we generate electricity in this country. amy: obama's clean power plan would have reduced greenhouse gas emissions in part by decommissioning coal-fired power plants. the plan would have helped the u.s. partly meet its obligations under the paris climate accord, though critics say it didn't go nearly far enough. cancellation of the clean power plan move drew condemnation from environmentalists, including author and activist bill mckibben who tweeted -- "neither flood nor hurricane nor wildfire can keep these men from their task of dismantling environmental protections."

in puerto rico, the trump administration has allowed a 10-day waver of the jones act to lapse, restricting shipments of food, fuel, and medicine from foreign-flagged ships as nearly half of the island still lacks clean water and nearly 90% lacks electricity more than two weeks after hurricane maria struck. the expiration of the jones act waiver came over the fierce opposition of san juan mayor carmen yulin cruz, who on sunday blasted the trump administration's slow response to the hurricane, tweeting -- "power collapses in san juan hospital with 4 patients now being transferred out. have requested support from fema. nothing." federal emergency management agency chief brock long on monday dismissed mayor cruz's comments, telling reporters -- "we don't have time for the political noise." in bangladesh, at least 23 people are dead and dozens more missing after a boat overloaded with desperate rohingya refugees

capsized off the coast near the country's border with burma. the migrants were attempting to join more than half a million rohingya refugees who've fled an ethnic cleansing campaign backed by burma's military. this is sayed hossain, one of the survivors. >> we were seven. my three kids, my wife, my father-in-law, my elderly mother, and me. among them, i alone survived. we all faced some of typical to use searching for food and surviving. they killed people and burn down the villages and houses. we came here to save our lives. amy: the latest deaths came as drone footage released by the disasters emergency committee showed the scale of the rohingya refugee crisis. the video shows a massive, sprawling camp of makeshift tents and shacks stretching to the horizon. the international committee of the red cross said monday it's pulling most of its staff out of afghanistan after a string of attacks on its employees there.

the move follows more than three decades of medical work by the icrc in afghanistan, and as the trump administration has increased the number of u.s. troops there. this is monica zanarelli, head of the icrc's delegation in afghanistan. >> exposure has become our greatest challenge in concern. we know there is no zero risk in afghanistan and we are not aiming at that. we don't want to build differently our security than we have always done. our security is built on acceptance and dialogue. fromcceptance comes meaningful services that can be divided -- vulnerable people. amy: two people were killed after a strike in italy.

--idlib. amend and shop were pulled from a collapsed holding. regimeroups i'm certain or plans for the attack. in france, all nine unions representing the country's public employees are on strike today protesting government plans to lay off 120,000 people and rollback sick leave while cutting take-home pay. the strike by some 5.4 million workers shuttered public schools in paris and led airlines to cancel about a third of all flights across the country. back in the united states, google said monday suspected russian agents paid for tens of thousands of dollars worth of political advertisements last year aimed at swaying the 2016 presidential election. "the washington post" reports the ads were aimed at spreading disinformation across google's many platforms, including its search results, gmail service, and youtube. managers at microsoft said monday they, too, were investigating whether russian operatives paid for inappropriate pro-trump ads on its bing search engine and other platforms.

social media giant facebook has said a russian company placed thousands of ads on their network at a cost of more than $100,000, while twitter reported last month it discovered about 200 accounts linked to a russian campaign to influence the election. erik prince, founder of the now-defunct private mercenary firm blackwater, is preparing a challenge against wyoming republican senator john barrasso in next year's primary election. prince was reportedly urged to run by steve bannon, donald trump's former chief strategist and editor of the far-right news site breitbart. prince has financial support from new york hedge fund manager and billionaire robert mercer and his daughter rebekah, who are heavily invested in breitbart and funded donald trump's campaign. erik prince recently made headlines when the white house indicated it was considering his plan to appoint a u.s. viceroy in afghanistan while privatizing much of the war effort. in charlottesville, virginia, police have issued an arrest warrant for 20-year-old deandre

harris, a black man who was brutally beaten by white supremacists in a parking garage last summer. police say harris is wanted on a felony charge of unlawful wounding for allegedly assaulting one of the far-right protesters who gathered in the city on august 12 in a rally that turned deadly when 20-year-old nazi sympathizer james fields plowed into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing heather heyer and injuring 19 others. deandre harris's beating was captured on video. he later recounted his ordeal to photojournalist zach roberts. >> i was trying to get up and run, but i can't. every time i got up, i just lose consciousness and fall back out. the last time i got to open my eyes and i feel my friends. they pick me up and take me over there so i could get out. gash in the head, broke my ribs, chipped my tooth. busted my lip. got a bunch of cuts on my knees

and outpost. i got eight staples in my head. amy: while photos and video show at least six white supremacists punching, kicking, and beating harris with large metal poles, only two of his assailants have been charged. espn has suspended sportscenter anchor jemele hill for two weeks after she criticized dallas cowboys owner jerry jones for threatening to bench any player who participates in protests during the national anthem. espn said hill violated the sports network's social media policy after she tweeted that fans should boycott the team's advertisers, writing -- "if you strongly reject what jerry jones said, the key is his advertisers. don't place the burden squarely on the players." hill, who is african-american, was publicly reprimanded by espn last month after she tweeted that president trump is a white supremacist. white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders responded by calling hill's tweet a fireable offense.

more than 50 u.s. cities, including los angeles, phoenix, select city, austin, texas, celebrated indigenous peoples day monday in place of the federal holiday n explorer who massacred and enslaved indigenous people while opening the door to the european colonization of the americas. in new york city, protesters rallied at a 115-year-old statue of christopher columbus near central park monday calling for its removal and for the city to make the second monday of each october indigenous peoples day. the protests came as the new itk police department said was providing around the clock surveillance of the monument. this is loaiza rivera, a student activist at the city university of new york. >> i am a junior student. my professors say how crist for columbus was a hero, how he should be honored. in 2017, i can't believe that is

still going on. that is ridiculous. that is why this is a big deal. it is not just a statue. it is not just a day. it is a message we are constantly putting out that we are ok with this kind of behavior, ok with the crisis in puerto rico and we are not. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we begin today's show spain, where thousands are expected to gather outside catalonia's parliament in barcelona this evening when regional president carles puigdemont is expected to declare independence from spain. this is his first address to parliament following an october 1 referendum produced an overwhelming vote for secession and provoked a stand-off with the spanish government, which ruled the vote illegal. tonight's announcement could trigger intervention by spanish forces. puigdemont originally promised to declare independence within 48 hours of a victory for the secessionist campaign, but has instead called for negotiations. barcelona's mayor ada colau said

monday the results of the referendum are not enough to declare independence, but also urged spain's prime minister mariano rajoy to help decrease tension by removing state police who have been deployed to the region. immediately to reverse the intervention on the catalan institutions and to withdraw the extra police deployed and catalonia. these are indispensable steps to open a dialogue and recover institutional normality is. amy: this comes after hundreds of thousands rallied in barcelona on sunday in a massive unity rally opposing independence for the country's catalonia region. pro-unity organizers said their slogan "let's recover our common sense" is aimed at generating dialogue with the rest of us pain. their supporters include nobel prize-winning novelistnd e foer president of the eupean parliament. organizers said nearly a million people attended the rally, while catalan police put the number at 350,000.

in either case, the rally was larger than a mass pro-independence mobilization last week. the rally came as catalan leaders claimed about 90% of those who voted in a banned referendum a week ago supported independence. spain's government called the independence drive unconstitutional and ordered a poce crackdo on e vo whh le abo 900 people injured. on monday, a spokesman for spain's governing people's party compared catalan's president puigdemont to the former catalan president lluis companys, who was jailed after declaring a catalan republic in 1934. he was exiled in france after the spanish civi war and later extradited by nazi authorities, and killed by a firing squad in 1940 under the franco dictatorship. >> last october 6, the 83rd anniversary of companies declaration of independence passed almost unnoticed.

i believe history should not be repeated. let's hope tomorrow, nothing will be declared because maybe the one who declares it will end as the one who declared it 83 years ago. amy: catalogs who support the independence referendum -- catalonians who support the independence referendum have had help from wikileaks founder julian assange, who tweeted hundreds of times in the days leading up the referendum, including a video that advised catalonians how to communicate and organize through secure channels. this is a clip. >> the spanish state security is repressive for the catalonian population. they make it easy for them to understand the structure of catalonian society. who is important, who is not important, etc. you protect yourself. you protect your friends. you protect your friends, you protect your community. if you protect your community, you protect the whole society. in a situation like this where there is serious repression developing against people who

are trying to communicate their political desires, then actually, we have a responsibility, a burden upon us, those people who understand, just to try to teach everyone else. amy: that's wikileaks founder and editor-in-chief julian assange in a video he posted to twitter. for more assange joins us now , from the ecuadorean embassy in london. welcome back to democracy now! talk about what is happening in catalonia and why you are so interested in it and the kind of aid that you provided, technical aid. >> good morning, amy. i don't have a position on independence itself. theink that is a matter catalonians. that is precisely the point. they are 7.5 million people. under thathe people definition, therefore, never right to self-determination. that can either be provided for

by the spanish state or within the spanish state, then a have a right to make their way outside the spanish state. i want to speak about significance because most americans will think, spain is some regional issue involving spain, why does it matter? this is the most significant change of relationship between population and state in western europe since the fall of the berlin war. europects all of western and into the united states. because it is spain, also substantially in the latin america, spanish-speaking latin america. amy: why do you feel that way? >> ok. the conflict that is occurring -- let's at ground a little bit. barcelona is the capital of catalonia. people will be perhaps more familiar with that city than the

region. that is interesting. in some sense, a reflects what is been happening in catalonia over the many years. there has been a struggle for lan to maintain their culture over 300 years of spanish colonialism, various --ms, and this really became it has been happening over a long queue of time. the language being bad -- the catalan language being banned. the printingn press became to an accessible, then. with a telephone injured in the late 19th century to spain speaking catalan on the telephone was banned. speaking catalan in public was banned. teaching and school, likewise band.

pushing spaniards from other provinces into the catalan population to try -- they've had a struggle for a long period of time. they are a distinct culture. somewhere perhaps between france and spanish, the languages perhaps the closest to french. ok. so that is the ground of the long-term struggle trying to gain self realization. looked at it correctly, world war ii began in spain. it did. it began as a proxy war in spain. that was the spanish civil war. now we have a perception, theish speaking western,

fascist lost world war ii. that is false. they won world war ii in frame. franco won in spain. he continued on with u.s. backing intellect and 75 when he died peacefully in his bed. revolution ina spain. there was not an occupation that set the reset button on the existing families institutions and class structure in spain. franco died peacefully in his bed. an example of the rollover that then occurred is seven of his ministers went on to found the party that would become what is now the ruling party in spain, which is headed up by prime minister rajoy. facets of and out with franco -- undealt with francoism blood into the bureaucracy and significantly,

into the culture. this are what have led to conflict, this impasse. you have got a population that is becoming more powerful in catalonia for one reason or another, relative to the state of spain. now, that would normally mean the state of spain has to engage in some kind of negotiation process. it has to be nicer to catalonians, make the film more comfortable, make them feel less scared, give them kind of concession, etc. beenad, the response has to react to this political condition over the last 10 years with judicial is asian -- judicialization of politics. , therefores illegal

it is not going to happen. from, intleness comes theiew, the remnants of how regime was formed the transition from franco with the u.s. ushering in that process with the king. so it has now led to this impasse. there is another factor as well, which is the right-wing government of rajoy is in a very position. it was only elected on 20% of the vote. 20% of the population. it is a minority government. it is being wracked by a corruption scandal. rajoy was forced to testify about a month ago in relation to one of those corruption scandals. it is very serious. amy: i want to turn --

>> the government is instead of trying to negotiate or conciliate with the struggle for catalonian independence is instead taking a hard-line and instead provoking news towards catalonian dependents, including, as you mentioned just yesterday, threatening to arrest the president of catalonia and perhaps have him killed. end up like the previous president who declared independence who was shot by franco. amy: i want to turn to spain saidce minister who europe's center-right finance ministers support spain's central government in dismissing catalonia's independence referendum. >> everyone has supported the

position of the spanish government. this is not about independence. this is about a rebellion against the rule of law. the law is the basis of generally daily life in spain, but in all of europe. -- not only daily life in spain, but in all of europe. the filmmaker told the guardian the debate about national identity has drowned out all other issues. she said but i'm still waiting for someone to tell me what the new catalan republic is going to be like. frankly, i find it hard to tell a difference between a right-wing centralist party and another one that is catalan nationalist. she was quoted saying this before police attacked the referendum vote and hurt over 900 people.

julian? >> it is pretty tiresome. you see the so-called left in turkey. do they support kurdish independence or do they oppose it? they oppose it. easy the so-called left in the socialist party. do they support catalan some determination or oppose it? they oppose it. the same thing happens everywhere. left, if youm like, equivalent to the democratic party in the united states. -- personalons group power is mostly fueled by merging with the state itself. therefore they become part of the state apparatus. but the only way to keep the state honest is that people have the right to say they've had enough as individuals to leave

and as peoples or an area to push toward secession or some kind of new deal. a bit, frankly, distasteful. amy: let me just -- i want to read another quote, but in terms of the film director isabel, i don't think you could describe her as equivalent to the mainstream democratic party in the united states. people who are deeply anti-fascist of course, or anti-franco, also are concerned, but again, this was before the violent attack by the spanish police. but let me read to you from the washington post what anne applebaum wrote describing you. she wrote -- "with the aim of dividing people, julian assange of wikileaks, who had showed no prior interest in spanish constitutional politics, suddenly threw himself into the catalan referendum campaign. beginning on sept. 9, he began tweeting his demands for a referendum and his attacks on the spanish government, rapidly becoming the most quoted

international commentator on the subject on twitter. similar to the tactics used in the u.s. election, he was helped in this effort by russian state media as well as a network of internet trolls and automated bots, which spread his comments further. the spanish-language edition of sputnik, a russian state news website, has mentioned and quoted assange in headlines more often that it did either the spanish prime minister or the president of the catalan assembly. the motives are clear enough: anything that divides a european country is good for russia." can you respond to what she wrote in "the washington post" julian assange? of a long she is a neocon, the wife of a former polish foreign minister. her traitorous later. it is all false. i suppose it is a positive sign in some ways that some people

see there's some impact. the russian state has formally opposed it. the russian media was nowhere on the situation. i think there probably they are probably concerns that a fairly successful independence push by catalonia will lead to similar pushes elsewhere. interestingly, the u.s. mainstream press and the u.k. mainstream press is substantially supportive of the catalan efforts. that is either because there is no u.s. or u.k. interest in the matter and never journalists are simply free to write what is most appealing and interesting to their readers, or because there is a slight u.k.-u.s. interest, a new state will need new friends, new arms, will need new intelligence, the u.k. is in

its brexit negotiations and so the e.u. having another thing to -- listen the capacity of the eu to believe the u.k. during its negotiations. amy: we're going to go to break and come back to our discussion. we're talking to julian assange, founder and editor-in-chief of wikileaks. has taken refuge in ecuadorian embassy for well over four years now for fear of being arrested by the british police. we will talk to you about that, julian, your status and embassy right now given that sweden is no longer seeking your extradition, why you have to remain in the embassy. this is democracy now! we will be back with julian assange in a minute. ♪ [music break]

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to julian assange , who is taken refuge, that political asylum in the ecuadorian embassy in london for the last 5.5 years. has lived in this tiny embassy in london. julian, talk about the status of your case. in fact, you were holed up there so you would not be extradited to sweden, hearing you would then be extradited to the united states. it sweden has dropped its case against you. >> yes, of course, it never had a case. there was never a charge. it was "parliamentary investigation" which had already been closed. -- "preliminary investigation," which had already been closed. the cia director pompeo in the least in theirt

statements, some internal matters, pursuing that aggressively. amy: baidu they want you here in the united states and what role is britain playing right now. they don't have to respond. there is not a known arrest .arned for you >> the u.k. refuses to confirm or deny and so does the u.s. to mikeant to turn pompeo in his first public address as cia director, speaking at a washington, d.c., think tank earlier this year, blasted wikileaks as a hostile intelligence service in a stark reversal from his previous praise for the group. this is what he said. >> it is time to call out wikileaks for what it is, a nonstate, hostile intelligence

service often abetted by state actors like russia. in reality, a champion nothing but their own celebrity. there currently is quick break. their moral compass, nonexistent. their mission, personal of aggrandizement through the destruction of western values. mike pompeo, cia director, addresst major takes on wikileaks and you, julian. wehe is saying essentially are a nonstate intelligence agency. those are his words, which of course, is completely absurd. organizations,a cultivate sources, protect their identities if they're doing their job well, and publish their material. the central intelligence agency collects information for a different reason -- to exploit , its ownterstate power power, then doesn't publish it. the intentionality in obtaining

information is to publish it in the case of a media organization. and then it is published, hopefully. intelligence agencies collect information with a different intention and they don't publish. it is absurd. i think it is kind of funny. it comes from our incredible cia .ublication it is very, very rare that a to bet cia document released in full. in fact, i'm not aware of it ever having occurred -- at least, in the last decade. except for our publications. this year,s prior to a few. and this year as well. it is deeply emily getting for the cia -- humiliating for the

cia and other intelligence agencies to be perceived as incompetent in that way. amy: were you surprised to hear that the trump administration is attacking you? trump also attacked his own people that have different points of view on issues like rex tillerson, who he is supposedly having lunch with that supposedly called him a more on. at least tillerson did not deny he had done this. do you think that pompeo and trump disagree? trump talked about loving wikileaks when he was on the campaign trail as he was talking about calling for the release of email. >> welcome everyone loves wikileaks will we're publishing information about those a oppose. that is inevitable. releasing information about trumps cia, of course, the attitude changes. amy: du understand is there is still a grand jury open that is weighing your case in the united

states? for people that have not followed the case for 5.5 years, with you being inside the embassy, what you understand is an arrest warrant or what you understand is out there as a result of a grand jury, a secret grand jury? >> the u.s. government and the u.k. government behave as if there is a field indictment in terms of the refusal to talk about it, their interactions with our lawyers, and so one. so they either have one or they have a virtual one. amy: do you see yourself -- >> the grand jury has been expanded now from our workrooms publications about raqqa, afghanistan, those alleged, to now include the cia publications. amy: i want to get your opinion isall of the news that breaking right now. on monday, google said suspected russian agents paid for tens of

thousands of dollars for the political advertisement. last her and that's when the 2016 presidential election. managers at microsoft said monday they, too, were investigating whether russian operatives paper inappropriate pro-trump as on its being search engine and other platforms. social media giant facebook has set a russian company placed thousands of ads on their network at a cost of more than $100,000. cnn reports a number of ants specifically targeted michigan and wisconsin, two states crucial to trump's victory in november. and twitter reported last month discovered about 200 accounts linked to a russian campaign to influence the election. this comes as the head of the u.s. senate intelligence committee said last week it has reached the conclusion that russia did interfere in the 2016 u.s. presidential election. republican senator richard burr said his committee is still examining evidence to determine if there is any collusion between moscow and the trump

campaign. your response to all of this, wikileaks editor-in-chief julian assange? well, i think there's a very good article recently published in "the nation" that goes through all of that and turn to be nearly all fiction. the parts you could determine, were you can compare with showsdictory statements it is arly all fiction. whether there is any truth to it, i don't know. we have not researched that. thinki would say that i it is very concerning to see this hysteria, very, very dangerous in geopolitical terms. of course, is attempt to unite the democratic party, the cia structure together and the media in their assault against the trump regime. i think there is plenty of important things to criticize the trump administration about,

for example, there promises to help the working class that in ward taxied to push for cuts for the rich. these are things that should be concentrated on, not leaping into an insane bout of anti-russian hysteria. i would askassange, about roger stone. in march 2016, he posted on facebook that he "never denied that assange and i had a mutual friend who told me wikileaks had the goods on hrc and would begin disclosures in october. he did and they did. i did not admit it. i announced it." heteries of tweets, which later deleted, roger stone also attacked a woman who challenged him on twitter writing -- [bleep."pid, stupid p[b i now want to talk about the

latest roger stone going to testify the senate intelligence committee and what came out of that. your response to that? >> roger stone has centrally democrats all of his life and eastern exactly the same thing in order to elevate himself. that is all. you look at our statement that the time, he did not say anything that i had not been saying in public at the time. amy: the me turn to democratic harassment adam schiff speaking at the hearing -- >> i would like to say the effectiveness of that trolling, just shows you how mad the u.s. legal culture has become. as roger stone presented as a critical -- credible person in a statement? >> i think his issue is that justice to trump and whether you think trump or roger stone is credible.

-- if he has something to worry about, why would he be deliberately playing it off constantly? he doesn't have anything to worry about. amy: what do you mean? he doesn't have anything to worry about because there is no back channel. there was never a back channel. he produced no evidence. he is simply trolling the absolute -- they want to be trolled. they don't care what the truth is at all. all they want, some little propaganda point that they can use to somehow satisfy the ridiculous fantasies about taking down trump in relation to russia. if roger stone is going to help with that, they will give him a platform. that is what they have done. you saw what happened as a result. you have to admire the foot spot

-- just a and i guess the cleverness in which he has done it in some sense. what is not honorable, even though it is really rotated us, reaction't know, the of those -- he just throws a ball like that. peopleindless mobs of flying to the democrats in the democratically aligned media run after it. amy: let me turn to democratic congressman adam schiff speaking at the house intelligence committee earlier this year. >> on august 8, roger stone, a longtime trump political advisor and self-proclaimed political dirty trickster, boasted a speech he is communicated with assange and that more documents would be coming, including an october surprise. he also communicate with the russian cut out gucifer 2.0.

stone doesgust, something truly remarkable when he protects john podesta's personal enough will soon be published. trust me, he says, it will soon be the best time in the barrel #crookedhillary. in the weeks to follow, he shows repressions. i have total confidence that wikileaks and my hero julian assange will educate the american people he says, #locker up. payload coming, he predicts. in two days later, he does. wikileaks releases the first batch of podesta you mouse. it would then continue on a daily basis up until the election. amy: your response, julian assange, to adam schiff, ranking democrat? is not a credible person. he is just lying in order to

score political points. i have been saying all of these things publicly, that we were going to publish information on hillary clinton before the election. amy: so this is -- got into its stupid head in fact that we were going to publish it on october 4 step that spread everywhere. roger stone's comments are responding to that kind of thing. -- i't want to feed into mean, i understand there is a weird psychological phenomena happening in the united states presently. i don't want to feed into it presently because i think it is essentially inconsequential in historical circumstances, unless it leads to a war with russia. i don't know what the trump campaign connections are with russia. i can only speak about us. it had no connections with us.

we have no connections with russia. is the russians have done anything else, as far as i can see, it is not consequential nature. amy: this is -- determine,s i can there is nothing of any scale or significance. amy: but this is the anniversary of the female being released, the john podesta emails. i think it is important because what is happening in these congressional investigations, roger stone is a key figure, whether you think he is credible or not, to have you respond, to make your point. i want to play -- >> let me -- amy: let me play and then you respond to roger stone. let me just play two quick clips. august 8, this is him speaking in florida. >> with regard to the october

surprise, what would be your forecast on that? julian assange has intimated what he is going to do? >> it could be any number of things. i actually have communicated with assange. i believe the next documents pertain to the clinton foundation. but there is no telling what the october surprise may be. amy: was he lying? said, he just said they would pertain to the clinton foundation, which he was wrong. he is repeating what i said in the press. amy: more recently, let's turn to roger stone speaking to reporters following his appearance and is closed hearing of the house intelligence committee. his interview with lawmakers was part of the investigation into russia's meddling in the 2016 election. >> i made the case that the accusation that i know about john podesta's enough hack in advance was false, that i knew

about the content and source of the wikileaks disclosures regarding hillary clinton was falls and that my exchange with guciferclaiming to be 2.0 benign and binoculars. amy: stone also told reporters he declined to name his we could weeks intermediary during the interview. >> the reason i am not submitting the name was because we intimated as a journalist in our conversation was off the i am an opinion journalist. i'm not going to burn somebody who i spoke to. if you releases it, if he allows me to release it, i will be happy to [indiscernible] roger stone isn't a journalist, but what is your response to what he is saying right here, that there was an

intermediary between you and him , who was a journalist? >> the united states political culture has gone mad. roger stone is trolling as likely be -- ethically the democratic political class in order to elevate his profile. it is said that democracy now! is buying into it. amy: presenting the news is not buying into it. it is having you respond to what he is saying because you are the center of this -- in this particular case. it is important to hear your voice. >> look, amy. i am getting annoyed. there is a historic event occurring this afternoon involving catalonia that could whatchange the nature of forms of repression are acceptable in the western world and what news populations can take in order to resist repression and come together to

secure their self-determination. this has been the greatest gandhian project that has occurred. millions of catalonians turning out to vote in the streets, being beaten aggressively by spanish security forces, being hacked by security forces, having a telephone exchange occupied, having their political leadership arrested, being threatened as we saw today with rebellion and put in prison for a minimum of 25 years. that is going to spread throughout the western world. the lessons of this are going to spread throughout the western world two, yes, secessionist movements, but also to the states trying to repress them and try to repress people struggles for self-determination in general. the discipline with which the catalan population has carried out the referendum is astounding. astounding. millions of people going to the

polls, being beaten by the police, and not one inch of them fighting back -- not one image of them fighting back. that is incredible discipline. similar in their marches. if the u.s. left is not absolutely obsessed with what is happening there, then the definition that is occurring of the nature of the relationship between population and state, well, i mean, i have no time for you. amy: will we certainly had time for you today, jillion potter stop i think you make some really critical points and they are important. i want to and on an issue i also think you care about, and that is the issue of, well, chelsea manning is out of jail. chelsea manning was a very poor in figure for you and you campaigned for her release. i want to end by asking you about reality winner. last thursday, federal judge denied a second request for bail for reality winner, the former national security advisor

contractor who is accused of violating the espionage act. winner allegedly passed a top-secret document to the intercept that claimed that russian military intelligence conducted a cyberattack on at least one u.s. voting software company just days before the 2016 election. federal judge brian epps of augusta, georgia, said his decision to deny bail was based in part on social media comments by winner that she "admires edward snowden and julian assange." we have just lost the video of julian, but i think we still have audio. julian, i was wondering if you could respond to the judge? we have your audio. >> see your question was about bail was denied to reality winner, partly under the basis that she is alleged to have said that center or sister -- said to

her sister on facebook that she supported edward snowden, me, and wikileaks. is that correct? >> the judge talking about her admiration of edward snowden and julian assange. >> yeah, i mean, it is a political decision by the judge. i think she is been treated absolutely appallingly. her alleged act is very minimal. one alleged document, which she unfortunately sent to the distrust worthy or incompetent --rnalist at the intercept the intercept is a great publication. i admire them very much. but if they don't fire the person responsible, and brings enormous discredit on them. working-class whistleblower. she is not a whistleblower. she is not a weaker or a whistleblower who has access to

power. as a result, we see what happened to her. she goes to prison, where even in pretrial detention, clearly not a harm to anyone. it has come out the fbi faked a transcript of hers where she said she had acquired more than one document. it turns out that was fake. they have used that to keep her in prison. well, julian assange, i want to thank you very much for being with us, founder and editor-in-chief of wikileaks. more than -- i want to thank you so much for joining us. julian assange joins us from the ecuadorian embassy where he is taken asylum, political asylum in ecuador for the last 5.5 years. how he gets out of the embassy remains to be seen. as we turn right now, we end with a protest that happened in new york on columbus day on

indigenous peoples day come a was so many want the u.s. to start calling columbus day in new york and cities around the country, the holiday has changed . los angeles, phoenix salt lake , city and austin, texas -- have indigenous peoples day. we turn to a piece by andre louis who went out to the protest near columbus circle in new york. >> i am representing the oscar amendola committee for legalization. we're here in support of the colonized this place and their anti-columbus day support. cuny christopher columbus discovered us, how he should be honored.

in 2017, i can't believe that is still going on. that is why this is such a big deal because it is not just a statue. it is not just a day. it is a message we're constantly putting out that we are ok with this behavior, ok with the colonial crisis in puerto rico will stop and we are not. i am a member [indiscernible] it is a crook artists. artists.a crew of about 400 or 500 strong. we were moving together, choreographed together to the museum. at each stop would be someone station who collectively work on the text that was read aloud. the pamphlet.

we want to rename the day to indigenous peoples day, remove the statue outside the museum, which is president teddy roosevelt on a horse, flanked below him to the left is the slavesafrican-american -- unclothed african-american slaves and to the right, mostly uncloaked indian chiefs. we want to respect the ancestors. i am from brooklyn, new york. we want to talk about some of what columbus day truly means. we realize columbus day, the

meaning is trying to keep us from the truth. and knowing it is actually a horrible day, i think the support of rest to show up. meaningshowing how we can spreae truth to others and they won't be deceived. think about this museum a look at the statute the other statues, i'm thinking of the little brak and brown indigenous kids who are walking around the city who are being told visually over and over again that their lives do not matter. we are, quite frankly, not here for it. we have never been here for it. what we're trying to do is get people across struggles to stand together, not just this is a statue i want taken down, but these are the statues we want taken down. it means a lot for our youth and having them grow up in a place where they can see themselves, accurate representations of something like in the statue behind me. amy: special thanks to andre louis.

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