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president you' going to have country that's going to hell. >> one of his rifles new jersey governor chris christie. check in with the new top members of the house intelligence committee devin nunes and adam schiff about the benghazi. paul rebound as speaker. and get update on war on terror. plus we'll have reporters' roundtable all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we have new cbs news battleground tracker poll results from the key primary states. in the republican race it's all about donald trump in new hampshire. where as 38% he leads theack by 26 points.s. ben carson is next with 12% followed by rest of the field in single digits. in south carolina, the story is the same, trump is ahead of carson by almost 20 percentage points with the rest of the
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jeb bush all in single digits. everyone else coming in behind them. but in iowa republican race has tititened donald trump a a ben carson are tied for first place at 27%. ted cruz only other candidate to earn double digits at 12%. marco rubio comes in at nine the rest of the field is at 6%r less. we'll have the numbers in the democratic race coming up in a moment. we want to go now to donald trump who joins us by phone. mr. trump in our polls we show you up everywhere butowa where you're tied with ben carson and that plus some other recent polls in iowa seems to have made you go after mr. carson. >> i don't understand iowa i just left. we had tremendousrowds and tremendous enthusiasm and frankly even to be tied i'm a little surprised. i know that i'm very honored by what's happened in new hampshire and south carolina it's amazing results. amazing.
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but i think thatowa, it has that same in credible feeling, we had rally there the other day it was so intense and so much love in the room. i'm actually surprised. veryryurprised that i'm even tied in iowa. >> dickerson: let me ask you about some things you said about ben carson. in florida you said -- >> i'm presbyterian. that's down the middle of the road in all fairness. i mean, seventh day adventist i don't know about. >> dickerson: what did you mean by that? >> exactly what i said. i don't know about that. i don't know about what that is. i'm not that familiaiaith it. i've heard about it but i'm not that familiar with it. that wasn't meant to be insult obviously just that i don't know about it. >> dickerson: expressionf ignorance not raising questions about it? >> harsh way of putting itt perhaps i could say it that way because i don't know now -- i said, i don't know know about that. >> dickerson: you said
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mr. carson is controlled by his pa but he received more smaller dollar donatatns isn't'that sign that he has grass root supports not that he's controlled by his pac as you claimed? >> the people running his pac are highly trained professionals i would imagine. those p pple are using that pac differently. they are running iowa for him. they are in there, they're doing all sorts of things that are totally different than what you is inowa very little. he does not go to iowa much. the people are doing leaflets, all this stuff, they are essentially campaigning for him in iowa. that's not what a pac is supposed to be. it's nototupposed to happen that way. i disavowed all pacs many people setting up pacs f me we september letter saying we don't want, we respect them, we love them assume it's all on the up and up because i don't know these people run pacs i don't
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know what they do with everything for the ones that are doing it with the right intense but we disavowed all pac everyone of them, john. every candndate should doo the same thick. this whole pac concept is fraught with problems and i think you are going to see tremendous problems with pacs over the years, i have disavowing all pacs i don't want anybody -- i'm self funding my campaign, other than little contributions where people send $7 and $50 and $100 we that's real inves but other than that i have totally -- i don't want any money i think that people should disavow candidates should disavow their pacs idea lieutenant me ask you about a challenger, what jeb bush said. >> i got lot of really cool things i could do other than sit around being miserable, listening to people demonize me.
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elect trump if you want that. >> dickerson: he says you're a demon eyeser. >> i'm trying to say it like it is. he paid one person $1.3 million and he's languisisng wayack in the pac. but his campaign is a total disaster. he's paid people far too much. now he's cutting everybody salaries. as businessman if he can cut salaries 40 and 50% why did he do ithen he started? what is he doing it now? why did he hire them in the first place? that means they would have worked for a lot less money. but his campaign in disarray. his whole thing is a mess. but he paid one person, as i derstand it, maybe that's incorrect. but paid over a million dollars for one person and it's okay maybe after everything's done get great incentive but he's doing very poorly. don't payhat kind ofoney. >> dickerson: let me ask you couple policy questions. we're about to have fight over
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money, debt limit, do you think it's economic problem, debt limit is not raised? will that hurt the economy? >> i think what they should do is use the debt limit as strong negotiating tool to make other changes and to cut costs elsewhere. the republicans don't know how to negotiate to be honest with you. m republilin, it's embabaassing to watch them negotiate. john boehner said the other day he will not use the debt limit, he will not close. well, i tell you what, when you say that you have now given everything to the democrats and to p psident obama because they have their way 100%. >> dickerson:let me ask you, do you think if it's breached that that is economic problem? rubio the question of negotiatioio >> i don't wananto say. we should use it as negotiation and problem we have in this country we're so predictable whether it's with isis or with iraq or with negotiation of a debt limit. boehner should not be saying we
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because you can't negotiate once you say that. you've given up 95% of your strength when you do that. i'm not going to say but i will tell you, it's an amazing tool to negotiate because it is a very, very -- it's fairly catastrophic if it happens. but some people are willing to go through that in order to win. by the w w i'm not saying they shouldn't be.e. in order to win in order to cut the kind of costs. so much waste, so much fat it's like jeb bush's campaign. there's waste and there's fat. he's trying to solve the problem. but see, a person like that cannot solve the problem of the country because the country has the same problem that he has. >> dickerson: very quickly, balancing the budget is the number one thing in our polls say, republican s s they want how fast would you as president balance the budget we're running out of time here? >> i'd like to do it as quickly as possible. i'll be able to cut far better than anybody else.
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i'll be able to bring jobs back far, far better than ananody else. nobody will be close. >> dickerson: mr. trump thanks so much for your time. >> thank you very much. dickerson: taking moing off campaign trail to joyous in person is 2016 republican, governor of new jersey, chris christie, welcome. i want to start with some of the tough comments you've made about republicans in washington first on the benghazi hearings they were ineffective with the secretary of state. >> i think they wewe. the fafa is we should be t tking about what really matters in that this sense. secretary clinton says that she is not responsible for what happened there. she says other security professionals were responsible yet she didn't fire anybody. and i think what the american people dislike the most about hillary clinton that they refused to be held accountable. mistakes happen. bad things happen. you need toe held accountable stananup to do that.
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no transparency to what is going on. i don't think ey did effective job. hehe is the thing. come next september when i'm on ththstage with her in debates she'll have federal prosecutor asking these questions. >> dickerson: when he say she wasn't on top of it, her security staff, people said that about with you the washington -- george washingtoto bridge. he should have known this is happening it shows that he wasn't on top of things. >> bad things will happen sometimes, you have to be accountable. within 24 hours when that news at happened to hillary clinton, why did those folks not fired? because she doesn't want to tell the truth. that is the biggest problem with hillary clinton. is that she doesn't -- she doesn't tell the truth. she doesn't want to be held accountable that's not the kind of person we need in white house. somebody who is willing to be accotable for what goes on in this country, what goes on on capitol hill. >> dickerson: republblans are
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roots trying to hold their leaders accountable what is which this debate is tea bout. you have said jokers in washington, d.c. talking who is going to get the big office. isn't this a bi debate? grass roots say in washington they're not representing our interests. some of the people who have -- in touch with those grass roots are having a fight over who the next leader will be isn't that central what with r what the republican party if their leaders match up with whaha the grass roots think? >> no. what is central is doing something. let's face it. the obamacare should be repealed in place of market based solution. taxes should be cut and taxes should be reformed. that we should be doing those type of things to end wasteful spending in this country. none that have is being done by republican congress even the house in 2010, senate in 2014 that's being done. people tell me in new hampshire and iowa. just do your job. they don't care who the speaker is. i don't care who the speaker is
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as long as that speaker gets them to do those central things that we care about tt's what matters the most not the game of thrones stuff. >> dickerson: one of the things is whether the new speaker or existing one will use debt limit as leverage mechanism to get some of the things you're talking about in negotiations with the president. do you think they should do that? >> they have awful record on spending. they spend and spend. don't argue until the bill comes do. when you're governor you have to be on top of -- cut spending over $2 billion, every tax increase that's come to my desk balance the budget. it's about being tough standing up doing what you need to do not waiting until the bill comes due. arguing about what the check says. they got it all backwards. >> dickerson: you said get things done as president usually
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in the context of democrats have to deal with a lot of them in new jersey. what about on the republican side you've had people -- john boehner saying that thererere false prophets withihithe republican side, asking too much, what do you work with them when you come to washington? >> the principle is the same, john. listen, members of congress have a job to4do. and what you need to do as president to bring them gether, to set t t priorities and then to get to know them, conjoel them, threaten them, to hug them, to do all the things that you need to do to get them to do the things that have to be done. that's what a president's job is. this president has been awol on this for seven years he doesn't have relationship with the folks in his on party let alone republicans. what i've done in new jersey, what you have seen over the course of my six years is that i've worked with republicans, but i've also worked with kelp. >> governor of new jersey you deal with police and crime issues.
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suggested that police across the country maye moror reluctant to crackdown on crime because of what so-called -- named after the michael brown murder in ferguson, missouri. such a politicized issue? >> don't see it becausese leaear of new jersey tells the police officers to go out do their job without exception. >> dickerson: they're doing it? >> you've seen it in city like kansas where last three years replace the police department, all the political folks, murder rate down 16% in the last three years in camden. and new york. murder of police officer. problem is, this lawlessnessss the presidentt encourages this lawlessness, he encourages it. >> by his own rhetoric. he was not support the police, doesn't back up the police, he justifies black lives matter. >> dickerson: shouldn't be justified at all? >> i don't b bieve that that movement should be justified police officers now. >> dickerson: not calling for the murder of police officers. >> sure they are.
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for murder of police officers. >ickerson: individuals have. >> that's what the movement isis creating. the president of the united states justifying that but not only that he hasn't backed up police officers from the minute he's gotten into offers. we can cite instance after instance, and there's lawlessness about most sanctuary cities. the president -- that type of lawlessings sets a tone, where basically tying one manned behind the back of police officers then murder rate up 11%, police officers being murdered i'll be president who will back up law ebb forcement, back up police officersecause i was law enforcement officer i know how hard the job s. when there are bad cops they need toto be prosecuted like bad lawyers and bad doctors and bad engineers. they all need to be prosecuted when they do something wrong. but our police officers put@ their lives on the line every day, back that up to endhe real livens which is happening in the streets of our cities. >> dickerson: governor chris christie.
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thanks for being with us. >> thank you, john. dickerson: turning to the democrat race interview that will air on 0 minutes," vice president joe biden and his wife jill talk to norah o'donnell about their family's mixed emotions about his decision not to run for president. >> i came home and helicopturrer, our son, was upstairs with mom, jill, i walked in. i saiai you know, i don't think there's time. i just decided i don't think we can run the kind of campaign we have to run to be able to win. and i remember jill just got up off the couch gave me a big hug, i i ink you're right. >> were you disispointed or relieved? >> i think i was disappointed. like i said in the beginning, i thought joe would be a great president and i've seen -- inn the 40 years w wve beeee together i've seen the strength of his
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>> i believed he would havav been the best president. >> dickerson: you can see rest of the interview on "60 minutes" at 7:00 p.m. tonight. we'll be back in one minute with new poll resultsor democrats. without joe biden in the f fld. stay with us.ent your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters mist. no matter how fast the markets change, at t. rowe price, our disciplined investment approach remains. we ask questions here. look for risks there. and sesech for opportunity everywhere. global markets may be uncertain. but you can feel confident in our investment experience...
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has been trying to helped that. move on to new hampshire where bernie sanders still up, she has cuinto his lead, it's still a big one. same dynamic, experience and electability working for her. then move on to south carolina, where she is up big and here particularly helped by joe biden's decision not to run. we asked everybody who was supporting joe biden, there were quite a few folks, what would you do if you decide not to run what would be your second choice, it's her. her numbers a a bumped up more because of that. >> dickerson: 4 points in south carolina. nancy, you, though, are in iowa, big doing there last night at the jefferson jackson dinner tell us about tha >> this i unique event, john, because you've got thousands of the most active democrats in the state all together in one arena comparing these candidates back
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back in 2007 then s sator barack obama propelled him to the front of the pack. now that kind of speech wasn't hillary clinton's style. it isn't today. she kind of played it safe she stuck to her stump speech. they even chanted some of most familiar lines along with her. interestingly this is an event where the candidates tend to shore entheir contrast with one another. she really didn't do much of that. she focuseded primarily onn the republican trying to frame herself as person most lickly to take them on next year. >> dickerson: anthony, there were glow sticks, she had katy perry? is attempt that yam. is that shshing up in the numbers? >> in fact, it is. in iowa in particular we talked last time about being enthusiasm gap between her and sanders, most of her supporters, voting for her, weren't enthusiasticc most are. same thing also true in new hampshire.
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>> dickerson: you mention the sharpening that happens in these speeches. hillary clinton was not sharper but bernie sanders was turning up the attack a l ltleit, wasn't he? >> he really did. went through this litany much issues, trade deals, defense of marriage act, the pipeline, talked how he had -- down f fm the beginning on each one of them. clear implication that hillary clinton has either waffled or shifted over time on each of them. you heard anthony talk how most people thought that llary clinton won the debate. she came after bernie sanders much stronger than he probably expected. so there was clear course correction last night. >> dickerson: in iowa, quickly, before we switch over to the republicans. in iowa, how is it going or in terms of the sanders support if hillary doing better is he dropping, following, leveling off? >> it hasn't come as his expense. he really owns that democratic sue spapa of concern about the
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economy. about inequality, the reasons people say that they're supporting him are that they think he can tackle inequality and are that they think that he can partly change washington a little. >> dickerson: switch over to talking about the republicans. what do you see in terms, talk about horse race number. let's think underneath that. what do you see in terms -- >> we trtrd to get sense of larger contour of this race. not just who you're voting for but who would you consider and what would be satisfactory nominee even if you're not backing them. it's siking. for a lot of t t field, besides ben carson, really and donald trump who is leading, you see very high unsatisfactory numbers for lot of these candidates. in particular in iowa, for jeb bush. so important because before g g vote you have toto become satisfactory. that just makes much higher hurdle for some of them. >> dickerson: that's right.
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grow or they have harder time, only one who i i really doing ll who has high unsatisfactory number there is trump. does this create room for candidates who -- with whom voters are satisfied even if they're not t t ready to p p them at the top of the horse race poll? >> trump is polarizing. you are either for him or not for him at all. his supporters woulde satisfied. everybody else would not. in terms of room, some of the ratios you see for marco rubio for ted cruz, people aren't necessarily backing them right now. but they say that they would be satisfied if they ended up as the nominee. that could be room. >ickerson: also ben carson doing veryryell in the satisfied question. anthony, thanks so much. nancy in des moines, iowa, thank you. anancan you explain why y u recommend synthehec over cedar? "super food?" is that a real thing? it's a great school, but is it the right one for her?
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j we're back with the chairman of the house i ielligence commmmtee, devin nunes, looks like paul ryan will be the next speaker. does that mean that the tension inside the republican conference has been solved? >> well, i he so. it does seem like it. there is even possibibity that maybe the one challenger that is challenge mr. ryan now may not run on wednesday we'll have the vote wednesday. there's a fuller from on thursday. hopeful that 247 republicans will vote for mr. ryan. >> dickerson: how did he do it? >> if you go back you look what paul ryan stood for he's the guy that put solutions out on the table to solve these long term problems. like balancing the b bget. fixixi the tax code. coming up with real health care
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it's that history that is in his favor. >> dickerson: we'll be back to talk in moment we'll take mmercial break. stay with us. i haven't seen you since that tv quiz show. hello, watson. you can see now? i can recognize people, analyze images and watch movies. well i wrote a few books, did a speaking tour, i... i've been helping people plan for retirement. and i i lp doctors identify cancer treatments.s. is that all? i recently learned japanese... yeah, i was being sarcastic. i haven't learned sarcasm yet.
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we'll be right back. jeb bush was a very strong governor, probably the strongest governor i ithe history of the state of florida. he was a young guy and i think there were some folks in the legislature that thought they might be able to run over him. that didn't happen. one tax cut wasn't enough- he had to do more. wasn't enough to haha 15,000 kids with school choice in florida, he wanted to have 100,000 kids. if he didn't like a project, it was going to be vetoed. it didn't matter if you were a republican. it didn't matter if you were his best friend. he said: 'this is where we're going, this is how we're e ing to reform state government...' every politician comes in talking about making change, and generally there's not much change. but governor bush made a lot of changes. he got the nickname veto corleone. if he saw something in the budget
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