>> we will destroy tm. ey're a bunch of killers. with good social media. >> dickerson: we'll cover it all with voices from capitol hill including top democrat on the senate intelligence committee dianne feinstein. republican chairman of the house of homeland security michaelel mccaul.. president's special envoy to the coalition, brett mcgurk and senator rand paul. plus we'll hear from panel of experts and we'll have ourur cbs news battleground tracker poll that shows the ground is shifting in the republican field after the terror attacks. all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, welcome to face the make i'm john dickerson we have lot of ground to cover today we begin with cbs news in paris. >> in the belgian capital things are eerilil quiet. they have shut the subway, cancelled public gatherings like

up their immigration control and tighten surveillance. we know from the greeks at least two of the terrorists from the paris attacks came in to the european union through the greek island with that flood of migrants. the surveillance of these young men coming back to europe from fighting with the islamic state in syria has been very, very lack. francois hollande wants a passenger list to be started up something like the united states established after 9/11 which would keep a lisx of everybody coming in and out of the 26 member country zones and t tt data would be kept on file for at least a year. >> dickerson: thanks, liz. we go now to malaysia our foreign affairs correspondentnt margaret brennan who is traveling with the presisint. >> in his concluding press conference here in kuala lumpur, president obama tried to calm americans wed not to allow

terrorism to become the new normal. >> we do not succumb to fear. that's the primary power that these terrorists have over us. most powerful tool we have to fight isis, is to say,, that wewee not afraid. >> the president said actions like attempts to block refugees from settling in the u.s., an idea that is being go thought of is betrayal of american values. he downplayed isis' ranks, yet the president still called on other countries to join in the military coalition said he directly appuals to russia's vladimir putin to start airstrtres against isis rather than the u.s.-backed rebels in syria. >> it would be helpful if russia a directs h attention towards isis, i think isil claiming responsisility for bringing down

increasing awareness on the part of president putin that isil poses a greater threat to them than anything else in the regigi. but that is an unlikely alliance because two countries back competing sides in the syrian civil war. on tuesday president obama will meet with president of france, country that has in sensese filed its role in the airstrikes. john? >> dickerson: margaret, thank you. earlier we spoke with the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee, dianne feinstein. we asked her to give us her thoughts about the president sasang his strategy against isis was the right one. >> couple of days ago, secretary of state john kerry, former colleague of ours, addressed the senate intelligence committee and virtually every member was there and what he put forward i think was a more comprehensive sense of what the strategy is.

for the first time i really learned the number of nation, i i that havav signed on to the vienna agreement, the basic principles of the agreement. and that's involving both iran and russia. i think that is very crcrial. the point theres because the central point of all of this is our side. has got to go but the question is, how and where and over what period of time. because in the meantime, he's putting out barrel bombs with chemical weapons on his people, killed 250,000 people. russia is his great protector built russia now sees the challenge from dash or isis or isil. so, my problem wit that is you need a time agreement. >> dickerson: you had beeee skeptical of the administration approach.

kerry make you think that that approach is sufficient to the job at the moment? >> i don't think the approach is sufficient to the job. i i ink they are generer principles, the general principles in terms of the administration strategy, too but i'm concerned that we don't have the time. and we don't have years. we need to be aggressive now because isil is a quasi state. isil has 30,000 fighters, it's got a civil infrastructure, it's got funding. it's spreading in other countries, it's a big, big problem. now what you see i t(ink in other places is a competitionon deveveping from other terrorist organizations. but isil is something a part. it's enormously strong it has to be dealt with in a very strong manner.

cocoonent. does that suggest administration has been too cautious or lacks of a sense of urgency. >> what i'm saying thi has gone on too long now. and it has not gotten better. it's g gten worse. there may be some land held by isil in iraq and syria, that's been taken back. but for all of that, there's much more they he gained in other countries. two attacks in tu near sha. apps libya, take over. the sinai it goes on and on. i think we need a specific larger special operations plan, group of 50 is fine for what they're doing so far but it's not going to solve the problem. and i think getting at one not only able to get at the

move isil out. that's where the head of the snake, so to speak, has to be cut off. but it's in many other places, too. we don't have a lot of time, there are needless steps, we have over a million people that are refugees that are trying to save their families, trying to run from it. >> dickerson: do you believe intelligence community has the kind of tools it needs to track the threats? >> i i can say this. director and i think john brennan would agree that the achilles heel in the internet is encryption. because there are now -- it's a black web. and there's no way of piercing it.

play station, john, which our kids use, if the t ends communicate that's's incryptpt. terrorists could use play station to be able to communicate and there's nothing that can be done about it. >> dickerson: e tech community says if you try to do something, develop a back door that law enforcememt could use, that that would open up all kinds of other communication with financial transactio, other sensitive information would then be at risk if what you're talking about would be put into place? >> no, i don'n'think so. i think with the court order, with good justification all of that can be prevented. it can be prevented i europe, because europe has been a major driver for more encncption. and i think they are now seeing the results and i think, you know, i had visited with all of

companies just to try to ask them to take bomb-building recipes off the internet. recipes that had been tested and we know can explode a plane. directions, where to sit on the plane to blow it up. we know there are bombs that can go through magnetometers to put thatatnformation out on the internet is terrible. and i sort of got, well, pass a law. so, we may just have to do that? but i am hopeful that the compmpies, most of whom are constituents, hot most, but many, will understand what we're facing. and we're not crying wolf. there's good reason for this. and people are dying all over thee world. and i t tnk the sinai russian airliner is a classic example of

blew up that plane. >> dickerson: senator feinstein, thanks so much for beingith us. >hank you, john. dickerson: with us now from austin, texass house homeland security chairman michael mccaul. i want to start with the isis threats t/ both new york abd washington, threats that have been made but the fbi says there's no credible evidence do you agree with that assessment? >> we don't have any specific credible evidence of plot underway. in the homeland we've arrested over 70 isis f flowers over the last year, we have a thousand investigations in all 50 states that gives you magnitude of what the fbi and homeland officials are looking at. in new york and washington are whe top two targets, i talkedd to nypd they have computer program that took 3,000 cops through that, they are ramp up security in both scene and unscene ways

and very visible way,lso, to provide deterrence on the street. as we go into the thanksgiving holiday. >> dickerson: i want to ask you about this expression, no credible threat. how confident should americans be when they hear that? in paris presumably last thursday there was no credible evidence or they would have acted on it. would what does that mean in today's terror environment? >> well, it's an old tone of art. but i will tell you, agree with senator feinstein, i think the biggest threat today is the idea that terrorists can communicate in dark space, dark platforms,e can't see what they're saying. how did the paris attack very complex, sophisticated, coordinated attacks in involving eight attacks and wide conspiracy of others how did that go under the radar? only rational explalation i have that they were using these dark communicate.

even if we have court order we can't see. if you can!t see what they're saying very difficult to stop it. while homeland security officials consider specific credible threat i think you need to factor in that analysis that there may be plots underway, communications underway that we just quite frankly can't see. that's one of the biggest challenges that we facac right now. >> dickerson: seems like that is a weaker assurance than it used to be in the past. just following up on these dark spaces, is there any evidence that encryption was used? just supposition, right? have you seen a a evidence to suggest these encrypted communications actually were used in the paris attack? >> i think there are strong indicators that they d. that's precisely why nothing was picked up. there was -- there were e me wawaing a aut a general plot. these guys were talking to each other on their iphones, in my judgment they were talking in

the dark s sce. that is how they pulled it off without detection. that's going to be the real challenge in the homeland how do you -- we know they're talking from morocco to people in paris and belgium also in united states. we've caught communications where they talk to people in new york and in dc and quite frankly everywhere. we have the 4th of july in the attanooga case which are good examples. >> dickerson: let me ask you out refugees. president obama said this morning that refugees, quote, who end up in the united states are the most vetted, scrutinized, thoroughly investigated individuals that ever arrive on american shores. there's a lot of talkbout refufues, are they the real problem in terms of this coming into the united states? >> there are two prongs, the foreign fighter we've had 5,000 europeans with western passports go into the countntes, we need to deal with that. hundreds of americans who have traveled and come back. each of these could be ticking time bombs then we have radicalization over the internet

as you and i have talked about, lastly we have the syrian refugee crisis. i take isis at its word when it says we want to exploit the refugee programs to infiltrate the west. we know one, possibly two of these attackers in paris actuallylyame through refugee program. so that's why congress we said, let's put a break on this until we have assurances and coidence we can properly vet and do background checks. because our top national security officials the fbi director or secretary of homeland security, both currently and publicly in testimony before my committee theyxpressed their concerns and warnings about this program. so, i take that seriously. we introduced this legislation to put a hold on it until we have assurances we can properly vet and do background checks have them certify s so thehere responsible and accountable that there's no terrorists coming into the country. >> dickerson: we have 15 seconds

left. there's some talk about monitoring mosques, what is your feeling about that? > g gs back to my old days, very sensitive endeavor, approvals at the highest level. i think we have to be involved in the muslim community with outrea programs to identify the signs of radicalization to stop them just like the boston bomber who got kicked out of his mosque for being too radical. we didn't know about that, it would have been nice to have known.n. >> dickerson: we'll l back in a minunu. jake reese, "day to feel alive"

hi watson. annabelle, your birthday is tomorrow. i'm turning seven. what did you ask for? a princess. and a pony. u like things that begin with p. i like pink frosting too. will you have a cake? yeah. i was too sick to have one last year. the data your doctor shared shows you are healthy. are you a door? no. i help doctors identify cancer treatments. want to be a doctor someday. i can help with that too. watson, i like you. >> dickerson: we're back with brett mcgurk, special presidential envoy to the global coalition to conque isil. the united states at war with isis?? >> john, absolutely we're at war with isis, it's a war that we're not going to relent. but it's not just united states that's at war with isis has to be entire international

community. weweave coalition ever 65 members that are coordinating members. cutting offer the finances, contesting militarily to the ground. and secure just on friday,hat this is unprecedented global threat. we have to work together as a coalition, and we're going to do all that we can to take back their territory, to kill the leaders, to cut off the finances, al to destroy the global networks that are feeding foreign fighters. >> dickerson: legal me ask you about senator feinstein's credit tim, not her alone, it's not going to leave fast enough. >> well, those of us working on this we're not going to be satisfieddntil we destroy this organization. we've had to do some things over the last year to set the conditions for us to accelerate the efforts. for example, just over last two weeks we had simultaneous operations in syria and iraq. with kurdish and air forces to t off the main supply route that isil these are very

our special forces going into northern syria the mission to organize the forces on the ground, broad coalition, begin to push down. we couldn't haveve donee that six months ago, the conditions are in place. >> dickerson: the 50, the president, how many of those have arrived? >> in fact i was just in northern iraq talking with the sk force we're notot g gng too preview when that is -- those are sensitive information. but they have been going in, organizing the forces in fact the forces tt they will work with have been doing very successful operation, they have taken back about100 square kilometers, killed about 300isil fight terse is focused on isolating the capital where we think they are being hatched. >> dickerson: is the u.s. operatiom now, there was talk about iraq,ot of effort, now babacally that syria is ground zero for u.s. anti-terrorism operation? >> i gave briefing at the state department just the other dayo talkbout a multiple pressure

core of isil a a iraq and syria. we're going to two things. going to pressure them and strangle them in the core that means all around iraq and syria we're doing that by cutting offer the final day stretch of border they have with turkey. we're doing by c cting off accessss points, we're doing it by protecting and working with the security forces to retake ramadi. talking with prime minisisr about that, simultaneous pressure in iraq and syria but as we suffocate and strangle them in the core also going to work to strangle international network. we've never seen anything like. this 30,000 foreign fighters from 100ountries around thee world is almost twice as many that went into afghanistan in the '80s. we have to work as a global community, we have to share information. 34 countries have broken up foreign fighter plots now we need to do is share the informatatn to take the networks at a single time. >> dickerson: the center of that core you describe, assad.

u.s. wants him out, russians don't. we hear about cooperate takes all the countries, if the united states is not cooperating with russia because we have fundamental difference on assad how is any real progress going to be made? >> i think the president spoke to this this morning, the russians that isilook credi for the airliner and all signs that have point to the fact t tt isil was responsible. but we welcome russia efforts against isil that is something that very much focus on. in vienna for the first time in history since this started four years ago now have all the players around the table. the russians, the saudis, iranians, all members of the u.n. security council they have agreed on 18 monththoad map for political transition alsls to put in place the cease fire, we want to do, been working with the russians on this very closely. have a cease fire against modern opposition and regime to focus

on the real threat of isil that this not goingngo happen. we can't get to cease fire unless we have creditability -- credible to lead to assad stepping aside. >> dickerson: thanks so much.

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bomb did indeed bring down the russian airliner over the sinai. three, we had terrorist attack in mi by al qaeda. very important reminder that al qaeda remainsnsut there and in many ways just as dangerous if not more dangerous than isis. four, we have what's ongoing in brussels today, which is very clear to me that this was going to beenother attack by the same group, similar kind of attack they raided 'arm this morning found explosives, found weapons i think that is what we're looking at is possible wave of attacks in e eope. hn brennan this week said that the terrorist attack was first in a pipeline of many. >> dickerson: all right, michael morell. we will be back withll of you in a moment we'll take quick commercial break we'll b back

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