gone takes his campaign overseas to visit syrian refugee camp. >> getting a good impression of what is going on. >> dickerson: back at home a new ad takes on the president. >> the obama-clinton talk is empty rhetoric. we need people to start whining. >> dickerson: dr. carson will join us from amman, jordada jeb bush will tell us how t defeat isis and tough talk about donald trump. >> he's all over the map. sinformed at best and preying on people at worse. >> dickerson: joining us from from baghdad, iraq, republican senners to john mccain and lindsey graham. we'll have analysis on the politics of the war on terror then finish up with our annual thanksgiving book panel this year we'll talk about some new books on presidents past. all ahead on "face the nation." captioningponsored by cbs good morning, welcome to "face the n nion" i'm john dickerson. republican presidential homeful ben carson is in the middle east

amman, jordan, you visited sear syrian refugee camp, what did you learn therere >> first of all i was very impressed by the outpouring of humanitarian effort on behalf of the jordanians. this has been g gng on for many decades. but they have really reached out to the syrians in a very big y. i had an opportunity to talk with many of the syrians. that w w very eye opening. asking them, what is their desire. what is tir main desire. their main desire to be repatriated in their homeland. i said, what kind of things could a nation like united states do to help. there was a pretty uniform answer on that. that was they can support the efforts of the jordanians. the jordanians have done a yeoman's job in terms much putting up these cam, but the reason that the camps are notot fufu because they are not

supported by the international community. it seems like everybody in the international community is spending more time saying, how can we bring refugees here rather thahahow can we support a facility that is already in place that the refugees are finding perfectly fine when it's adequately funded. >> dickerson: your assess system that jordan could take all the refugees just a matter of getting more financial resources? >> i thihi jororn could take a lot more of the refugees than they're taking right now. i don't see any reason quite frankly that some of the other nations in the area shouldn't also be asked to do ito that u don't have to goo through a big cultural change with them. and in terms of money, when i looked at the refugee camps in jordan, there's about a $3 billion short fall. annually.

last0year on halloween candy. is it something that can be done? if we bring 10,000 or 25,000 of them to the united states that's not solving a problem. that's a little band-aid that mamas people say, we're good guys. we want to actually solve the problem. >> dickerson: make the link between halloween and the refugees for me, are you talking about a national fundraising drive or -- >> i talked about in terms of the amount of money that it would take to fund the shortfall. our country has done a great job in terms of providing support. there's no question about that. but i believe thathe entire international community could easily make up that $3 billion shortfall. my point comparing it to halloween candy to say tha this is not a big deal. >> dickerson: i'd like to ask

you about the war on isis, you have new advertisement out that entitled "winning versus whining" who is whining? >> my pointn that advertisement is let's not sit here and talk about what we can't do and why this is too difficult. instead, we have some terrific military intelligence and advisors who know ho to get the job done. let's s k them, what do they need in order to get the job done and then let's make a decision. are we going to give it to them? just keep -- >> dickerson: are those advisors not being consulted pgh. >> whether they're being consulted or not is irrelevant. if we're not-ing attention to what they're saying. >> dickerson: what do you think that they're saying that is -- >> if we try to micro manage them. i think they're being micro managed.

>> just go out and talk to a number of the generals who have retired, in many cases prematurelthey can give you a very gd answer to what i!m talking about. >> dickerson: do you have an answer to that question? >> my answer is for you to go out and talk to them and ask them specifically, you want to know the exact reasons why we're not winning and ask what advice has been given and how it has been ignored, i would sgest that you talk to them. >> dickerson: okay. i'd like to ask you about a mestic political event or what some people see as political. that's shooting at a planned parenthood location in colorado springs. some abortion rights supporters have said that the rhetoric led to that kind of violence, what's your view on that? >> there is no question that hateful rhetoric, no matter

which side it comes from, right or left, is something tbt is detrimental to our society. this has been a big p pblem. our strength in this country has traditionally been in our unity. and we are allowing all kinds of circumstances to divide us and make us hateful toward each othehe and the rhetoric is extremely immature, divisive and is not helpful when you have outside forces, global islamic jihaddist, why would we do that to ourselves? we at point have got to become more mature. no question the hateful rhetoric exacerbates the situation and we should be doing all we can to engage an intelligence, civil discussion about our differences. that's how we solve problems. we don't ever solve themm with hateful rhetoric. >> dickerson: should 'bores -- those who oppose 'bores rights tone down their rhetoric?

>> i think both tines should tone dowowtheir rhetoric and engage in civil discussion. >> dickerson: dr. ben carson, thanks so much for jning us. we spoke with another republican presidential candidate,ormer governor jeb bush earlier asked how he would be any faster or more effective than`the current one. safe zones in syria, directly arming the kurds and iraq, reengaging with the sunnis. the sunniribal leaders that were effective partners in the creation of the storage. have our t tops be embedded with the iraqi military. basically all of this needs to be a strategy not just one off nd of incremental decisions being made by t ts president who wants to run out the clock. the strategy ought to be, how do we destroy isis and create stability. right now we have neither.( >> dkerson: you've talked about saying you would listen to

advice about ground troops to fight isis in syria, the president has said his military advisors told him that without a force on the ground to helel you u.s. troops if you were going to put u.s. troops they have to stay as an occupational force. is that wrong in your view? >> i think it is wrong. i think that had we kept a small force in iraq we wouldn't haha the mess that we have right now. the president and hillary clinton said that al qaeda in iraq was decited, was gone. when we pulled back diplomatically, politically, hillary clinton only traveled to years. that lack of commitment created the instability that now created a call fe. of course we need to have engagement. without american leadership this isn't going to happen. it's going to require troops on the ground mostly special operators that are helping build this force, but we need to lead in this regard,egardless of e persian gulf countries. >> dickerson: what i'm trying to

figure out what the number is here between -- you want troops to go in, then everybody seems to agree there needs to be some kind oftability afterwards. you mentioned the surge from george w. bush's presidency. that surge was successful because hundreds of troops were in there. how does it work in this case without that many troops? >> well, firstf all had we kept 10,000 troops as military leaders had recommended, we wouldn't have isis. my point is in the post-isis world there needs to be civility you can't allow the void to be filled. i think we need to do this not unilaterally, we need to do this in concert with the syrian sunni le forces, well trained, backed up by air superiority and we need to garner the support of the arab world not to -- in unified fashion to create fighting force that will take ououisis as well a bring about change in the assad regime. >> dickerson: if 10,000 was good sustaining force in iraq after all the activities there, this

would seem that upwards o o 10,000 troops would be necessary for the kind of engagement you're talking about? >> if i'm commander in chief my first order, oive me options, and if the military says that we needed fighting force of x thousand, this is the best way to destroy isis then i would take that under advisement for sure. i believe most people that i've talked to, military leaders, think that we can't do this alone but it's going to require more effort than we have right now. >> dickerson: in terms of building a coalition, you've sa that you would -- russia could be ally in this fight only they abandoned their alliance with assad and sear california how do you get them to do that? >> i don't think we will. i have great doubts whether russia would make that big sea change. we always should be in dialogue with russia my problem is talking to russia from position of weakness only enables their [bjectives. it has nothing to do with ours. if we were stronger, we would be in a better positioioto deal with them. >> dickerson: one of your

security advisors, john noonan, referred to donald trump and his, called d m a fascist, is that correct? >> i think he's uninformed. he's playing you guys like a filled, the press, b saying outrageous things. and garnering attention that's his strategy to dominine the news. the simple fact is that he has been wrong on syria and on the refugees, pretty consisteny. and no one is holding him to account. first said we should -- had no interest in being involved in syria let the russians take out isis, let isis take out assad. back and forth it goes. the net effect, these reallll serious times s 's not a serious leader. >> dickerson: why if he became the nominee would you still support him? >> anybody is better than hillary clinton, let me be clear about thaha i have great doubts about donald trump's ability to be commander in chief. i really do. i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt to see how the

but you listen to him talk, it's kind of scary to be honest with you because he's not a serious candidate. he doesn't talk about the issues at hand that are of national security impmptance for our country to keep us safe is the first priority of the president. he's all over the map. misinformed at best and preying >> dickerson: how would that be better than hillary clinton? donald trump. i'm pretty confident that the more they hear of him, the less likely he's going to get the republican familiar nation. >> dickerson: let me ask you about your position on refugees. you mention that perhaps an approach might be to allow christian syrian refugees in. hows having religiosities like that wouldn't that play into the narrative isis wants, this is battle between the christians and islam? >> it is already in the law that there is requirement to screen for religion. this is the practice of our country.

there was a bipartisan bill that of course didn't pass in congress this year to provide preference for christians who are being slaughtered in the middle east, persecuted based on their faith. religious minorities should have preferenen. to provide support for the refugees, best means are safe havens inside of syria, that is ultimately what we need to do, this president hasn't led in that regard. >> dickerson: governor jeb bush, thanks for being with us. >> you bet. dickerson: we'll be back in one minute. plan look#for risks there. and search for opportunity everywhere. global markets may be uncertain. but you can feel confident in our investment experience... ... around the w'rld. call a t. rowe price investment specialist, or your advisor... ...and see how we can help you find global opportunity. t. rowe price.

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with russia, vladimir putin's ambitions are different from ouou. first you have to obviously take out isis, but at the same time you have to establish a no fly zone which sends the message to russia assad, stop bombingng people and slaughtering his innocent sieveville yen, men, women and children and driving millions to refugee status which we are trying to cope with w. >> dickerson: senator graham that's two simultaneous military engagements that senator mccain sketched. do you think american people are ready for that kind of a commitment in syria? >> they bettere, because if we don't destroy isil in syria we're going to get attacked at home. the region is ready to fight. the region is coming after the sunni arab nations in turkey. entire region wants assad gone so there's an opportunity with some american leadership to do

before we get hit a a homend also to push assad out not give another arab capital to damascus. i can't over emphasize the influence of iran. we've been here for a day and a half. iran is all over iraq. they filled in the vacuum that was created when we left. the region is worried about iranian dominant. >> dickerson: the walt street journal wrototthat the kind of operation that you both are recommending could require 40 to 50,000 troops is that what people should be considering here? >> the could good news 90% would come from the condition. the kind of force 10 1/2% of the force will come from western powers, e force that we're talking about will come from regional armies, there are large regional armies, egypt, turkey, they would go into the fight if you put assad on the table. so mosof the figing will be done by the region. they will -- one thing i can tell you a aut iraq, next

president of the united states is going to be dealing with isil and iraq, because what we have in place here is small, it's limited in focus and will get limited results. have done limited capability we don't have enough american troops inside of iraq to destroy isil any time soon. >> i believe weake it back, which is very important with relatively short period of time that's just beginning. there is fallujah, mosul and others, we need more robust presence. at all of our candidates talk about refugees, sea sad is major cause of the refugees which are now flooding europe and causing some consternation in the united states. no fly zone will provide refuge at least for some of these refugees. >> there is noround force being formed in syria. if you don't look at iraq and syria as battle states you are

making huge mistake. >> dickerson: base there is no ground force military advisors tell him it would requirere an occupational u.s. force, that res poor lots of forces for a long period of time, what is your response to that? >> i haven't been told that by anybody. thth holding force wouldlde the region. talking about regional armies coming together with a western component, 90%hem, 10% us. holding by sunni arab states. turn to assad say you must go. russia and iran what be outside looking in to entire regional army including turkey with weststn elements that will fall like cheap suit inside of iraq if we had 10,000 american forces, some western coaliti helping us, we could get them out of mosul a lot quicker. i cannot strtrs to you how urgent it is that we destroy isil every day that goes by that they hold millions of people under their sway is a bad day for us because they're going to

them on t t run. >> dickerson: you mentioned bloviating presidential candidates, how much of an effect, let's say donald trump when he talks about registering muslims in the united states, did that have any y al affect outside of the united states in the fight against isis? >> i think itas an interesting affect of turning muslims all over the world against the united states of america which is 99 and 44/100 people who practice honorable religion. by the way, the fact is that we can succeed here and isis is not that strong but the longer they say in power the more this pow on spreads and ma thth is that sizes as farar away from afghanistan, africa, other parts of the world. >> dickerson: final question to you. talking about a regional force, but the administration has been trying to get gulf states to participate, have been unsuccessful you're talking about regional force than be

but the russis would be active there? people are highly skeptical that such a aorce could be put together. >> let them be skeptic call. we have tried it, they are ready. but also assad has to be part of the equation, he cannot stay inn power for one day longer than necessary. and if you had the right president and the right leadership, they would coalesce. but there is no confidence in the arab world today in the united states of america. that has to be restored if we want to put together a regional force which has to have ameririn participation. >> dickerson: thank you so much.

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journal" columnist, cbs news contributor author of "the time of our lives." david ignatius is columnist with the "washington n st." jeffrey goldberg is national correspondent for the "atlantic" and michael gerson is also a columnist for the "washington post." david i'll start with you, you had three people there who are auditioning to be commamaer in ief, what did you make of it? >> my strongest impression was that jeb bush did the thing he's got to do to survive ac candidate to sound like a convincing commanderern chief. i thought he gave a good account of how he would augment president obama's strategy for dealing with isis. the additional things he'd try to do with no fly zone, more forward position with special operations forces. i thought he was powerful in taking out, calling out donald trump. i thought thiss was moment in which he went to the heart of the matter.

this is getting toward buss last chance. my take away fromhat, this is a person who in this environment of anxiety and foreign policy can speak to the country's worries. jeh jeffrey, what did you make? >> i would agree. i don't think that bush is pepetrating in a way that chris christie is penetrating on these issues. i would just jump to ben carson for one minute say that he said something very densible which, is that the solutions are refugee prprlem is in syryr it'ss not in united states or anywhere else. we need to be focused on the fact that more than half the population of syria not even in syria any more. can't solve this problem without a syrian solution. but on what david was saying, yes, there is some important ideas that are being put forward by jeb bush and chris christie. the thinghat i'm struck by thisis buffet line approach. i would take safe zone and no fly zone and i'm going to get the nato allies to do x the arab allies to do y. it's all highly theoretical.

that everyone is talking about, incredibly difficult to pull off. we haven't thought about the second or third or conconcerns of these ideas. >> dickerson: quickly david about 30 seconds on this notion that mccain and graham are lking about the regionana army that would handle 90% of the ground troop operations, hooplas sick that? >> it's a huge lift. that was great weakness what mccain and graham said. typical, they're on the scene, they're looking, they're reporting, that's admirable. our problem has been getting our sunni allies to s snd up. they'ree fighting a war now in yemen. they're fighting a proxy war against their regional adversary, iran. they're not focused on isis. the distance that they have too travel to be the force that would fight with us and clear and hold fallujah, mosul. >> dickerson: we'll be back with all of you in a moment. stay with us. having 5,0000new cars being soso every month.

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