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nation" i'm john dickerson. last night tornadoes killed 11 people in texas bringing the death toll to at least 28. mark strassmann is in holly morning. mark? >> good morning, john, those twisters in texas caught the christmas week of violent storm systems that spawned tornadoes across the south. at least 11 tornadoes were overnight. in benton communities northeast of the city like garland. the day's first light shown the scope of the damageen garland alone, eight people were killed, it has 600 damaged homes and miles. the tornado ran for 40 miles. since last wedneneay tumultuous weather has been the way of life in the south. ten people were killed in mississippi, roughly 250 homes were destroyed or have major damage, most severe tornado ran for 145 miles with winds of 160

and people were also kild in arkansas and alabama and flash flooding is ongoing worry.. i met one storm victim here in mississippi named kenyan williams, six of her neighbors were killed. six. when the tornado hit her neighborhood her elderly handicapped and blind father was alone in the house. the roof and the walls collapsed on top of him but he survived with nothing worse than a bump on his head. kenya has toebuild her home and her life from the slab up but she's content with that. >> dickerson: mark strassmann, thanks. we tush now to presidentiall litics, vermont senator bernie sanders joins us from burlington, good morning, senator. this year as we look back you and donald trump are the big surprise political stories, you've suggested recently that your message about the economic inequality can appeal to the strum voters, explain how that happened?

supporters are working class people. and they are angry. they're angry because they are working longer hours for lower wages, they're angry because their jobs have left this country and gone to china or other low wagee cououries. they're angry because they can't afford to send their kids to dignity. i think what trump has done successfully i would say is take that anger, take that anxiety about terrorism and say to a lot of people in this country, look, the reason for our problem is cause of mexicans. and he says, they're all criminals andapists we have to hate them. he says muslims are all terrorist, keep them out of this country. that's what we have to deal with to make america great. meanwhile intetestingly enough, john, this is guy does not want to wage the minimum wayne but he said that he thinks wages in america are too high. but he does want to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top

what his working class and middle class, i think we can make the case that if we really want to impress the issue that people are c ccerned about, why the middle class is disappearing, massive incomes and wealth inequality in this country that we need policies that bring us together, to take on the greeded of walls the greed of corporate america. and create a middle class that works for all of us rather than an economy that works just for a few. >> dickerson: you're saying that people should be concerned about what you're talking about not what donald trump is talking about? >> not really, john. everybody is concerned about disappearing middle class of the fact that we are 47 million people living in poverty but only major country on earth that doesn't provide paid family and medical lee or guaranteed health care to all p pple. people are very worried how they're going to retire with dignity that's why i believe we

benefits, those are the issues that aren most working people's minds. what i'm suggesting is that what trump has done with some success is taken that anger, taken those fears, which are legitimate, and converted them intonger against mexicans, anger against muslims. in my view that is not the way we are going to address the major problems facing our country the way we address was we bring our people together, we demand that congress pass legislation which creates millions of decent paying jobs, raises the minimum wage, pay equity, makinin college affordable for all and those are the ways i think that we improve lives for our people not by dividing us up and having us hate mexicans or muslim. >> dickerson: let me switch to the issue of the grand jury in texas decided that no felony was committed by sheriff's officers,

you said afterward, quote, there's no doubt in my mind that she, like too many african americans who die in police custody, would be alive today if she were a white woman. what did you mean? >> i saw that tape, john. i don't know if you did. i saw the way the police officer behaved toward h. it is my vererstrong if she was white middle class woman that would not have happened. it's not just in texas. what we have seen far too many people often african american who are unarmed, are getting shot and killed by police officers. we need in m m vieieery significant criminal justice reform. we need to make sure that we -- being a come is very difficult job. i was a mayor, moststo a good job. we need to be clear that lethal

a last option not a first option. >> dickerson: senator -- we need to -- dickerson: apologize. in this case there was no lethal force used against her. you're not saying that her death was committed by the officers in this case, are you? >> n no of course not. but she was yanked out ofof that car, thrown to the ground, confronted by the police officers, she responded she ended up in jail, three days later she s dead. the way she was yanked out of that car and way she was treated by that police officer is not something that i think would have happened to the average middle class white woman. >> dickerson: let's switch to popotics. i was tataing to democratic strategist who said that looking at your campaign, he said that you neededo attack hillary clinton as least as senator obama did, you said you won't do that. is that going to be something that gets in your way in your ability to get the nomination if

>> do i have to wage horrible attacks against hillary clinton, i'm m t going to do that. what i will do is contrast our ideas and my record with hillary clinton. that's what elections are about. that's what pewple want to hear. i voted against the war in iraq, hillary clinton voted for it. we have different views on foreign policy. i do not believe in a situation in syria, no fly zone, which i thinkiki get us into a real quagmire. i believe coalition led by muslim troops on the ground with the support of the major powers on earth, i do not want to see the e ited states getting involved in perpetual warfare in the middle east. i helped lead the effort when i was in the house against the deregulationf wall street. i believe that wall street's greed and illegal behavior has been a disaster for this country not only in 2008 but it remains. you have to break up these large financial institutions,

are differences of opinion. >> dickerson: all right. senator, we'll have to leave it there. we'll look forward to seeing you in the new year. >> okay, thank you very much. dickerson: we turn to the republican field retired urosurgeon ben carson joins us from west palm beach. dr. carson, see if we can pick up something thatternie sanders about the texas case. he said that her situation says african american is treated so differently by the police as if she were white woman what is your reaction to that? >> there is no question that we need to be looking at those kinds ever issues, but i think we also havetendency to injt race into everything. any time that there are people of different races involved in a conflict, are there rotten police officers, of course there are just like there are rotten lawyers and rotten doctors and rotten teachers and rotten

the whole class for that. having said that, there's no question that weeed to be looking at some of the various things that are goingng on inn the justice department to make it more sensitive to people. for instance, somebody gets a moving violation they got minimum wage job, they're barely making it, that thing cosos like paying that. they ignore it, next thing you know there's warrant for their arrest, they lose their job. all we have to do be a little sensitive say, you can pay this off at $5 a week. these are kinds of things make a difference in our society. >> dickerson: sensitive to class and economic suation not to ra. >> right. a lot of things that are class and economics are ascribed to race, no question. >> dickerson: let me ask you about your campaign, stories this week about, you talked to the associated press speaking of your staff you said everything

i'm looking carefully. what did you mean by that? >> i meaeai want to make sure that we're doing everything that we can do to make sure that the american people absolutely recognize the choice that they have. if there some are things need to be changed or tweaked, we certainly are going to be open to doing those things. >> dickerson: armstrong williams was quote as saying dr. carson is back in charge i'm so happy to see that. what does that mean? >> i think you have to ask armstrong. i prefer he speak for himself. i'll speak for myself. >> dickerson: any changes to your exam pain that are coming? >> there will somebody alterations. we've been looking in every particular area, one thing i want to do is have a much more

particularly when they are false. we have taken a nonchalant attitude towards that, i think that's the wrong thing to do. you'll see much more aggressisiness in that region. >> dickerson: since we're looking back at 2015, any attacks that you let go by that you'd like to correct here from the last year? >> there are a lot of attacac. the attacks that i really didn't have temper, i guess it's flattering, you couldn't possibly have been like that. then when the articles were found with interviews from my mother and other people, nobody came back said, we found evidence. with the west point story, nobody indicated that general west mother land there was for a congressional medal ever honor there was question about dates no one comesack. virtually y erything that was

none that have stuff is true. i think we have to be the ones who forcefully inject that into thee narrative. but also the narrative that i don't know anything about foreign policy if you go back you look at the things i've been saying about foreign policy over the last year, you'll see that there's a v vy things that evererody else is talking about now. and right now i'm talking about the fact that we cannot be distracted by iraq and syria only. we need to recognize what is going ononnibya. libya represents an incredible caliphate for them. it has a lot of oil, you go north across the water you're into southern europe, you go south you're intoo chaha and sudan. >> dickerson: one of the points you said don't mistake being soft spoken for not being strong. do you t tnk in this campaignn there's been over emphasis on demonstrations of faith, talking

of isis and carpet bombing isis. too much of emphasis on show 'ness of strength? >> i understand why that appeals to people. we have been feckless and spinelels. they want to see, come on now, let's get in there, let's do something. i understand that completely. bit i hope people will not be cruel byy just loud speech and guess particular could you lakess i hope people will look what hasappened east in a person's life. it's a much better indicator of their strength. what have they overcome. what have they have been able to accomplish. look at that in my life and look at the many of the other lives i think that will make a pretty powerful argument. >> dickerson: you said recently you might be a one-term president, what did you mean by that? >> i meant that i'm not in this for political reasons.

better. necessary. we have 4.1 million federal employees that's way too manan 645 federal agencies and sub-agencies, way too many, have. destroying t quality of life for the next generation, we cannot d d about it. it's craziness. >> dickerson: final question, when the primaries are over you look back at this year how next year will go, do you think the republicans will have picked somebodydyho is the most popular or will pick most person with the best solutions for the country? >> well, i actually think that when it comes down to actually making a choice, t t people are going to be level headed, they're going to carefully consider options and i do belief they're going to make the right choice. i am hoping and praying that that is exactly what will happen that we will not be attracted to the shiny object in the room but

actually solve our problems, because th are substantial. our country is on the precipice, it's about to go over thehe edge. >> dickerson: all right, dr. carson, look forward to speaking with you in the new year. happy new year. we'll be back in a moment. >> thank you, you, too. do you look at things and say "i can make that better"? these questions, these curiosities then lead to discoveries... ...and those discoveries are going to lead to the energy solutions for the next 50 years. we have big, big challenges. one challenge isisto capture the co2 before it's released into the atmosphere. we captured more than 6 million tons in 2014 alone. that's the equivalent of eliminating the annual emissions of m me than one million cars. in the longer term, we are working on how to convert algae into biofuels. the ultimate objective is to be able to put it into an exting car, to not have to redo the engine. that could b bone of the very important parts of the energy equation in the future. we want to drive our scientists, we want to drive our engineers,

because there are alwawa better ways to d dthings. i'm vijay swarup, and i am a scientist at exxonmobil. dickerson: there was a lot of news in 2015 we had a little news of r own here at cbs. bob schieffer stepped down from "face the naon." cbs "the late show with david letterman" became "the late show with stephen colbert" i sat down recently with him to compare notes on navigating such an action-packed year. stephen, i want to know with sunday morning people -- >> is this sunday? dickerson: well done. i'm looking for a theory of this election, do you have one? >> anything goes. i guess. all betsre off.

very appealing it's only this. is that the party elders would like him foggy way. but the people have decided that he's not going to. >> dickerson: you like that -- may disagree with anything that he's saying think that his proposals are a little -- more than a little shocking. but there is something really hopeful about the fact that, well, 6% of the likely voters want him so the people in the machine don't get to say othfrwise. thdt's the one saving grace i think of his candidacy. >> dickekeon: you have to look at this mess of an election, make a joke of it, come to terms with it. how do you -- >> i always feelad for the candidatat now. what did we start off with something like 22 at one point. hungry for power games. how do we talk about them. becausmost of them we know will fall by the wayside. it's not literally with an arrow in their chest but certainly

god knows what's going to happen to george pataki. swept into the turbines of this election or tasked over a railing to a pitiful of piranhas, something bad going to happen to lower tier candidates, i started feeling bad about how excited i was about each of them dropping out. >> dickerson: what is your view about the facts. and their salience. >> i'm a big fan of fts. i'm not sure they have any bearing on what person's popularity. donald trump is like, i'm not the first person to say this but i completely agree that he's my old character with $10 billion. he doesn't -- he's completely playing on emotional levelelo beautifully. it's one of the reasons why he just do that because he's doing that character better. he's willing to drink his own kool-aid and manufacture and diststbute it because he h h all the cash. he's very interesting like

facts don't matter onon money does. because if money is speech, he's got a $10 billion mouth. and it doesn't have to spend any of it because eperyone will point a camera a at him. >> d dkerson: before you started the show you were hoping he'd stay in the race long enough -- >> i didn't think he'd be doing this well. but i don't know anything about politics. i just pretended for yearso know something about it. i know s sething about human behavior because i'm just an actor and a writer. >> dickerson: but you also have a big heart. and you want good stuff to come out of the process. >> oh, yeah. no joke for donald trump or anytytng or no joke for any individual candidate has worked -- means more to me than what i think is best for the country. dickerson: if the process looks cynical, do you think, maybe we can reintroduce people to like what's good about this. >> i respect people who are politically engaged, so few peoplere. whatever candidate they support

for so many years i lived on -- pretended to be an advocate for a side.% and as such i always had to take sides. this person is good,d,hat person is bad, there's nothing in between. i think that area in between is where most people live, we're asked to go one direction or the other. mostly so they can raise monon. one sideder the other doesn't have to explain themselves it can purely on emotional appeal. you would be lovely if we all could have aonversation thatt does not involve demonizing. that is worth doing. i don't know if my job that certainly objective of mine. i've tried to be very respectful to -- try to be respectful to donald trump, first thing i d was apologizeze to him. i didn't let my audience get bad at ted cruz or boo him. i wanted kasich have a good time. >ickerson: there was a little

ability to channel the populous. >> i have respect for trumpor knowing who the real audience is. thatatf you really wantnt to win, got to get the people. the people get to make the call. especially now because the parties are so behold tone big money. that the party apparatus itself has been dismantled in favor of just cash. and so there aren't wise old people who get to make the call thatat been farmed out too super pacs. don't seem to be that powerful themselves, really. but in giving power over to super pacs they have completely dedenged the party themselves. that's why you can't stop a trump. that's a real blowback to the idea that we're going to take power away from the party and just give it to cash. what i did respect is thate ows that it is an emomoonal appeal. and it might be emotional appeal that i can't respect. but he knows that you have to appeal to the voter.

i made a a big deal about, there's no way he's going to win. >> dickerson: you weren't the only one. >> again, i don't know anything >> dickerson: but you do kno about t e country. you've sense of where the country is. you have a sense, i wonder how you get that now -- >> one of the reasons i stopped the old show i had sense where the country is. i think people don't really want constant divisiveness. i really don't thinkhey want that. i thought, i can't drink that cupp any more. i don't think people want to hear it. >> dickerson: lot more of our interview with stephen so bear coming up. this holiday season, get ready for homecomings. i see you brought a friend? i wanna see, i wanna see. longing. serendipity. what are the...

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