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will it be duf, hef, papa smurf or al? will she fall in love? >> hi, i'm clif -- one "f." what do you say we get the "f" out of here? >> anything can happen. >> the letter, tuesdays this summer on ox. >> jimmy: too bad the emmy nominations were last week. [ applause ] that's -- that was a joint production between us and sesame street. while the sun sets on another season of the bachelorette, another season of "bachelor pad" is upon us. do you think they even drain the hot tub? before bringing the bachelor pad people in? this is the third season of the "bachelor pad." it premieres tonight on abc. if you haven't seen the show, it stars 15 former participants from the "bachelor" and "bachelorette." they put them in a mansion together and compete for $250,000.
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they try to round up all the most despicable contestants. one of them is a luxury brand consultant from houston named kalon. and emily eliminated him on the bachelorette when he referred to her 6-year-old daughter as baggage. his introduction tonight will almost certainly will. ♪ >> i'm back. >> "bachelor pad", i don't know what to expect. it wouldn't be going on it if i didn't want to win. >> jimmy: you can see by his smile that he wants to win. i hope he does. like thayou kno going to do something good for $250,000. like buy rims for his hummer or something. along with the former bachelors and bachelorettes. six former superfans were invited to live in the mansion. a baseball fantasy camp with herpes.
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it's a fun thing. i don't know what it means to be a super fan of the "bachelor pad." they are famous for being nothing. they are fans of people who are famous for being anything. in america, if you don't do anything, you really can do anything. believe it or not there are super fans. one is david and chris is part of an s.w.a.t. team. >> i kick ass and take names but i have a secret. love to watch "bachelor" and "bachelorette." my job can be very stressful and when i unwind after a long day at work, i come home and i watch "the bachelor" and "bachelorette." i want to find the right woman and settle down. >> jimmy: i don't see why you
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have any problem with that. you appear to be perfectly normal. [ laughter ] so natural in front of the camera. that's a lot of fun. fox made a big announcement today. mariah carey will fill the role of unstable female judge on "american idol." that's what you call thinking inside the box. they always try to have a crazy woman in that spot. they started with paula abdul and steven tyler last year and now mariah carey. [ laughter ] they are paying her a salary reportedly between $12 million and $17 million. i think she will be good for that. she is american. she has been idle for the past few years. what? [ laughter ] right? best of luck to mariah and all of us. this is funny. a reporter in san francisco di a reporter i one of the things on the news where they fs been wronged by a local business and they bring in a camera crew
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to set things straight. in this case, a woman had a $7 balance on a gift card from the apple store. she wanted the cash back, and the apple store refused to give it to her. julie wong from cbs 5 was first on the scene.>> maria contacted the apple store refused to give her the $7 left on her card. we went back with her with the california civil code that states the refund policy. and voila, the clerk handed over the $7. >> viola, may have meant voila. [ laughter ] how did viola even make sense? the musical instrument? and bugle horn -- the clerk handed over. nicely done. the nba board of governors has approved the use of advertising on player uniforms.
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they are going to put small patches on the jerseys. it will just like nascar but with black people. and some basketball purists are unhappy about this. you know, major league soccer has ads on their jerseys and nobody seems to care about major league soccer, right? [ laughter ] the nba estimates it would make $100 million on ad revenue. per year. the celtics will be the boston market celtics. [ laughter ] denver, they will be the chicken mcnuggets. and dallas, the team will be the dallas mavericks starring jodie foster and mel gibson, now available on blu-ray. so -- viola! [ laughter ] there is a dangerous new trend on the internet that of course people are participating in. it's the salt and ice challenge. people put salt on their skin and press an ice cube on it and try to hold on to the ice for as
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long as they can. and then they post video of them doing it on youtube. people are giving themselves frostbite that can cause permanent scarring. people are very, very dumb. tonight, we have asked our security guard a man we entrust with our lives, guillermo, to do something about it. guillermo, i understand this issue is very near and dear to your heart, right? >> yes, jimmy. >> jimmy: thank you. and you recorded a public service announcement to stop it, yes? >> yes, jimmy. >> jimmy: okay, have a look. >> hello, friends, it's me, ant messery important message. many of you are playing a very, very dangerous game. >> ow. what is this? >> mixing together salt and ice and putting it on your body, no, no, no. don't do that. because it causes you very, very, very burning. ♪ don't make a burn with your ice and salt.
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make a margarita. ♪ >> that has been a public service announcement from the offices of guillermo rodriguez, attorney at law. >> i'm drunk. >> jimmy: i think that will help. thank you. this should be fun. you know the game draw something? you play it on your phone or ipad? if you don't know, they give you a word, you draw it, like pictionary. and your friends try to guess. it's a great game. i've spent more time on this than with my children over the past six months. we have come up with celebrity draw something. here is how it works. our staff here at the show reached tout a celebrity.
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i do not know which celebrity they reached out to. and asked them to draw a picture of him or herself. now, i have no idea who they got to do it. tonight, we are going to try to work together to guess who it is. i need help, you have been authorized to read clues? >> yes. >> jimmy: do you have the clues with you? >> yes. >> yeah. >> jimmy: where are they? >> i'm not going to tell you. >> jimmy: this is exciting. very secretive here. let the sketching begin and we will see if we can figure it out. all right, you are watching in real time. okay. i think it's a woman. should be -- one of the guys from nelson been on here recently. it's a woman with a big mouth. and freckles. freckles? the woman is pretty good artist, i have to say. she is short.[ laughter ]
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okay. oh, there's a signature -- it's a dog or something. that's a baby? oh, god, it is a baby. it's a woman with a baby and blond hair.britney do you think spears? she doesn't have babies. did she have a baby recently? i think her kids are already in prison, aren't they? [ laughter ] anybody -- guillermo, can we get a clue? >> the celebrity has yellow hair. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: anybody -- jessica simpson. oh, that's a good guess. is it jessica simpson? >> yeah! >> how do you guys know. >> i gave you so many clues. i don't know who else you could have thought this was. this is me, obviously. and this is the reason for my tears, the sloth. >> jimmy: oh, the sloth.
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>> and xoxo is a cheat. because your favorite show is "gossip girl." >> jimmy: kristen bell, and she doesn't have freckles. neither does jessica simpson. and that baby was actually a sloth. thank you for the clue, guillermo. very helpful. we have a good show for you tonight. the now-former bachelorette emily maynard and her fiance jef are here. we have music from the head and the heart. and we'll be right back with ben stiller, so stick around! and aa [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪
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and music from nas. and later this week, jessica biel, adam richman and music from trey songz and rick ross. join us then. our first guest is an exceptionally successful actor, director and writer. whose movies so far have raked in more than $5 billion, not even counting raisinettes. his new comedy, with vince vaughn and jonah hill is called "the watch." itpens in theaters friday. please welcome ben stiller. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> how are you? >> jimmy: how you doing? >> good, good. how are you doing? >> jimmy: good to see you. you look good. >> thank you, man, you do, too. >> jimmy: what have you been up to? >> i have been in iceland. >> jimmy: for real? >> yeah, i was in iceland. i worked on a movie. >> jimmy: what movie? >> it's called "the secret life
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of walter middy." with kristen wiig. and people are good looking. the sun never goes down. >> jimmy: is it good that the sun never goes down? >> it is when the people are good looking. >> jimmy: i saw your movie "the watch" and it's really funny. >> thank you. >> jimmy: i know we don't want to give too much away but it's excellent. >> we had really good time making it. we were in atlanta. >> jimmy: that was not in iceland. >> atlanta is not like iceland. the people are great and handsome. but it was fun. i had never been there. >> jimmy: you never been to atlanta? >> yeah, it was fun. we went out a lot. we went to the a bar one night and they had a ping-pong table. and i thought, oh, that's cool, they have ping-pong in bars which i guess they have at other places. >> jimmy: i had never seen a ping-pong table in a bar. >> i hadn't either. and i realized i was in a tournament. it was like a serious -- and i was in a hipster deliverance situation.hter ]
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it was like a cool hipster bar where they played ping-pong. and i won the first round and the second round, a guy comes in and i describe him as a 60-year-old chachi. he had jet black hair and sleeves cut off. and he was serious. he had his own leather encased ping-pong paddle. >> jimmy: oh, he did? really. >> yeah, ping-po had ping-pong with his initials on them and he really -- >> jimmy: wow. >> and then he just killed me. he killed me. he was like the rafael nadal of ping-pong. that got me crazy. then i wanted to -- yeah, i started -- i got a ping-pong table. >> jimmy: you did? >> we had on the set. which was fun. and i started to take youtube ping-pong tutorials. >> jimmy: really? they have them? >> yeah, they do. if you want to take the fun out of ping-pong do a 12-part german tutorial. >> jimmy: you take a laptop and play the screen? >> yeah, and it's very
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repetitive. >> jimmy: how much of this did you actually watch? >> the tutorials? >> jimmy: yeah, of the tutorials. >> not much. >> jimmy: not much. >> you watch one over and over, it's very boring. and you have to practice if you want to get good. and i did get good and i set all tournament on the set. yeah, because i had this weird chip on my shoulder. i was going to show people. nobody cared and i went out in the first round of the tournament i set up. >> jimmy: you did? your own tournament? >> yeah. >> jimmy: you should fire whoever beat you. who did beat you? >> some grip or something. i put it out of my mind after that. >> jimmy: were you beaten badly or was it close? >> well, no, the guy was really good. some of the guys are ringers. no, it wasn't close. >> jimmy: was it just the crew or did the cast participate? >> some of theed. participated. they weren't -- vince was there. vince vaughn was in the movie and jonah hill. >> jimmy: i can see him getting into it. >> yeah, his stunt double was
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incredible. >> jimmy: did he play for him? [ laughter ] that's what you need. you need an agent stunt double. did you play vince? >> i didn't play vince. vince was on a help kick and he was having people drink health drinks in the morning. and he was into p-90x. work out thing.s >> jimmy: what is that? i hear that. >> it's not a l.a. radio station. it's a video where this guy tony horton does, where you bring it. it's about bringing it. right? you bring it. it works. it's great. my wife did it for a while. and vince does spontaneous exercises on the set between takes. >> jimmy: really? >> yeah, jump thrusts.
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>> really? >> yeah, it's all about muscle confusion. confuse the muscles so they get angry and grow. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: so you guys are lined up in front of the television -- >> no, yeah, when you do it at home, you do it in front of the television. >> jimmy: did jonah hill do it? >> jonah did it, too, and kickboxing also. and there is that insanity workout. it's like p-90x only five times faster. you do it once a day, 30 minutes a day for three days and on the fourth day, you die. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: this is what you take the methamphetamines and you go crazy. did you find it made a difference in your body? >> yeah, it just makes you tired, you know. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i know "the bachelorette" is a show you watch. >> yes. >> jimmy: which do you prefer? >> yeah. i prefer "the bachelorette."
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i got into producing a reality show. it's a dating show on the web. and it's an homage to the bachelor and bachelorette. >> jimmy: it seems to me you just ripped off the show and are doing your own show. >> is that what it seems like to you. very self-serving to me. >> i think it's inspiring. >> jimmy: i think we have a clip. do you need to set it up? >> this is me and i'm with -- >> jimmy: that is what i meant by self-serving. setting yourself up. >> well, let's check it out. >> i think a lot of people watch the show and think, he is lucky. he gets to see all these women, sleep with some of them. oops. no, i'm not going to get what i want. so i'm going to go for what else is there. >> right. >> like -- annie. she is so nice. >> yeah. >> you know who i like? gigi. >> oh, my gosh. hello. >> hello twice. >> hello. hello. hello.
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>> i think mark is going to make it through this. for me, it wasn't about picking the right one. it was about picking one eventually. >> i think that is what they are all about, really. [ applause ] >> yeah, that is actually called "burning love" and it's on yahoo!. burning some -- burninglove.com. and it's actually been a bit of a success. >> jimmy: yes, it has. we are going to show a clip of "the watch." we'll be right back. ben stiller when we come back. what's going on here, guys? >> get the new "jimmy kimmel live" app and see what you've been missing. [ byer ] jason bourne was the tip of the iceberg.
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what's going on here, guys? >> egging. >> sergeant. we have an egger. >> eggs? >> yeah, you coward's weapon. >> good you brought him in. >> and he tried to run away, on a skitter board. >> did you really? huh? >> get back to the playground and the monkey bars. >> do you think it's funny? it hurts people's feelings. >> and now, you deal with the consequences. look at his face and listen to me. >> look at he and listen to me. >> look at him and understand no one. >> listen to my words and hear
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his face. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that is ben stiller, vince vaughn and jonah hill. "the watch" opens friday. i don't know what i can reveal. i will leave that to you. >> yeah, well, i play the manager of a costco. and one of my employees is murdered and we have a person who did it and we stumble upon an alien presence. that's basically -- >> i happen to love costco. i was jealous immediately. you can't reenact -- you go into a real costco. >> yeah, it's incredible. it's like a wonderland. we got play with all of stuff in there. most of it was fake. but it was still fun to -- you know. >> jimmy: i did notice. they don't have individual oranges available at costco. >> right, right. but, you know, we had a little contest on the set. there was a writers assistant
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named ethan who might do anything. and there were jumbo cheese ball jars they have -- cheese puffs. >> jimmy: yes. >> he bet he could eat two giant jumbo jars. >> jimmy: how much money was on the table? >> i had about 50 bucks. we were excited. and he got halfway through and the medic on the set cut it off. >> jimmy: really? that's no fun at all. >> i know, he was getting really sick. he wanted the money. >> jimmy: i have done that for freeshgs i free, i have to say. the premiere is across the street at the chinese theater. >> yeah, i wanted to invite your audience if anyone wants to go. do you want to see the movie? [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: that is a problem for me. because i will have to do the next interview in silence. >> they can go after the show. >> jimmy: after the show? you really want to take the audience? >> yeah, okay? okay, great.
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>> jimmy: does it work? >> well, it's $12.50 a ticket. [ laughter ] and i can't give any senior or student discounts. i'm going to come through with the credit card thing. and i need your zip code too so i can spam you later. i'm not kidding, whoever wants to go, you can come over. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: you are going to take the audience. that is fun. you get to go to the movies wi ben stiller. what a date this is going to be. and what will happen afterwards? will you go out for soda? >> we will party all nig the ro >> jimmy: that is going to be a terrible mistake. it was great to see you. it was great to see you. hopefully a couple of you will hang around. we have the bachelorette and her fiance. >> i'm excited. >> jimmy: ben stiller! "the watch" opens in theaters friday. we'll be right back with emily and jef. ♪ [ cheers and applause ]
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: still ahead, music of the head and heart. and i guess you're all lea leav me to go to the movies. that's exciting. last night on the season finale of "the bachelorette," america watched as our next guest got engaged on tv again. they say the second time's the charm. she is here tonight with her new fiance. please welcome emily maynard and jef with one "f." [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: first of all, congratulations on your one night anniversary as a couple. >> thank you.
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>> jimmy: very exciting and your engagement. and you make a very nice looking couple. >> thank you. >> jimmy: i have to say. you look good together. >> thank you. >> jimmy: you look like a pair. how do you feel about this whole thing? you know these relationships almost never work. i mean, it's very, very rare. why will this one work out? let's let jef go first? [ laughter ] >> well, i have never been on the show before. >> jimmy: okay. >> and i -- you know, we -- >> jimmy: that was a slam on you. >> no, no slam on her. when we met, there was another person involved. that was ricki and we took a lot of thought and consideration. and i think it's going to work because we really took our time and we really thought about it. and it wasn't just like going off and helicopter rides and climbing water falls. >> jimmy: you had no fun at all. >> we had took etiquette class and laying in a library.
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>> jimmy: you can on the go up from there. right? and no fantasy suite, which was a clever move on your part, jef. >> thanks. >> jimmy: what was the thinking behind that, not asking, not an suite? >> i fell like we were going to be together. i thought it was me. and afterwards, we are going to be able to spend the rest of our lives in our own fantasy suite. >> jimmy: oh, everybody should go ahh. and have you spent time in the fantasy suite yet? >> absolutely not, we are not married. absolutely not. no, we haven't. >> i'm a lady. >> jimmy: what have you been doing? how long have you been hiding as a couple? >> since may. may 15th or something. >> jimmy: if somebody spots you, there's big trouble, right? >> we were not allowed outside of walls -- >> jimmy: abc will burn your house down if you -- >> yeah. >> jimmy: you have to be really careful. are you able to work?
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are you able to go any where? did you do anything? >> not together. >> no, not together. they would send us a couple couple retreats around the country with the fbi following us around. >> jimmy: people would follow you. >> we would have cameras with us. code word for babysitters. >> jimmy: so you have not had until today any real time alone. >> outside of a house no. we had handlers get food for us. >> which is the most perfect time of any relationship. just enjoy it while you can. >> jimmy: it's called house arrest is what it is. [ laughter ] >> you have someone going to get your stuff and you can't tell anybody where you are. it's perfect. >> jimmy: it's exciting. your daughter, does she like it? your daughter ricki, did she enjoy this arrangement? >> yeah, she did. she had so much fun. they went fishing, caught frogs. >> jimmy: how do you tell a 7-year-old you have to be quiet about this?
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>> we changed his name. he was steve. and it was dolly and steve. that was my code name. >> >> jimmy: okay. i see. you're dean martin, i guess? >> no, dolly parton's husband. >> jimmy: what do i know? sorry. geez. >> you are not from the south. >> jimmy: another relationship. you and arie became very good friends. >> we're buds. yeah. >> jimmy: you don't like that, i can see. >> i love it. >> jimmy: after arie after the proposal, he flew out, i heard, and he actually asked to you reconsider, true? >> no, he didn't directly ask. if leaving a journal means reconsider -- >> jimmy: it does. yeah. yeah, yeah. >> he didn't know we were engaged. >> jimmy: he thought you were together? >> no, he thought she didn't choose anybody. >> jimmy: will he be in the wedding party?
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will he be -- >> maybe. >> we clearly have some discussions. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: you would be against that? >> arie is a good buddy of mine. >> the first night we walked into the house, we sat on the couch and i looked around the room at all the other guys and i said, arie, it's going to be us, the final two. the final two, me and arie hanging out. >> jimmy: you found two of them on the show. >> that is weird. no, he is great. >> i get it though. >> so you -- you don't want him standing there in a tuxedo as you are walking down the aisle. >> if he's cool with it, i have no -- >> jimmy: arie is just in charge of the bachelor party? >> no, no!
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i would like his nice brother to be in charge of the bachelor party. >> yeah, i would too. it would be fun. >> jimmy: don't be so confident about the married sweet brother. that's the one you have to watch out for. >> i know. i know. you're probably right. >> jimmy: do you know when you are going to get married? >> no. i'm a girlie girl to a fault. of course, i've been -- you know. >> jimmy: you've been looking into it? >> looking at dresses and places and all about our first dance song, everything. >> jimmy: do you know what your first dance song might be? >> no, i have a play list that we are playing through. >> jimmy: is jef going to be involved in any of this? >> he'll be there. he'll be there. he better be there. >> yeah, she brings the wedding magazines to the getaways and rips out pages and i just -- i approve. yeah, i love it. >> jimmy: you don't want to be involved in the planning of the stuff? >> no, i do plan. say yes to everything. >> that is good. >> jimmy: i have a give for jef. i don't have the a gift for you.
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>> i have a feeling i know. >> jimmy: this a special gift. i would like you to take it home. i know you have been missing it for a long time. would like to you have that. please, enjoy that. take that.a where it w >> i have no idea where it went. >> jimmy: you can have three if you go back to your original name. emily and jef, everybody. not the bachelorette anymore. we will right back. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ñcús ♪
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it's the honey, it makes it taste so... ♪ well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. >> jimmy: this is their self-titled debut album. here with the song "down in the valley," the head and the heart. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ i wish i was a slave to an age-old trade ♪ ♪ like riding around on rail cars and working long days ♪ ♪ lord have mercy on my rough y and rowdy ways ♪ ♪ lord have mercy on my rough and rowdy ways ♪
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♪ call it one drink too many call it pride of a man ♪ ♪ and it don't make no difference if you sit or you stand ♪ ♪ 'cause they both end in trouble and start with a grin ♪ ♪ 'cause they both end in trouble and start with a grin ♪ ♪ we do it over and over and over again we do it over and over and over again ♪ ♪ oh-oh oh-oh ♪ oh oh oh-oh oh-oh oh oh i
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know there's california oklahoma and all of the places i ain't ever been to ♪ ♪ but down in the valley with whiskey rivers these are the places you will find me hidin' ♪ ♪ these are the places i will always go these are the places i will always go ♪ ♪ i am on my way i am on my way i am on my way back to where i started ♪ ♪ oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh one more for the stars in the eyes of the
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walls ♪ ♪ i saw your name and i heard you calling out ♪ ♪ i saw your face in a crowd and you came out ♪ ♪ you got the sign on the door and the stars at night ♪ ♪ that reads to me just like the grass and the sun and the moon ♪ ♪ oh oh oh oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh oh-oh ♪ ♪ i am on my way i am on my way
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♪ ♪ i am on my way back to where i started ♪ ♪ california oklahoma and all of the places i ain't ever been to ♪ ♪ down in the valley with whiskey rivers ♪ ♪ these are the places you will find me hiding these are the places i will always go ♪ ♪ these are the places i will always go ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: the head and the heart. the subtitled album is out now. you can see it on jimmykimm
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,, >> this is live picture of the chevron refinery in richmond where a major fire is now contained but continues to burns at this hour. >> it has been spewing out a cloud of toxic smoke over the east bay all nature long. this started with a diesel fuel leak and reports of an explosion around 6:15. that thick smoke forced people from miles around to shelter inside their homes. >> fire has shut down all production at northern california largest refinery and that is dpopd cause spike in gas price ins the coming days. good evening everyone. >> we have team coverage for you tonight on the refinery
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fire to begin with the latest at the refinery in richmond. >> of we are live from the plant where there has just been a news conference. >>reporter: yes. as you mentioned this is a fire that is contained but it is not yet extinguished. and for resident in the neighborhood who continue to hear those public address sirens, basically telling you that the shelter in place warning remains in effec effect. this ace fire that neighbors say started with a bang. >> big explosion we thought it was a neighbor then we went outside. saw the thick smoke. >>reporter: but the general manager of the refinery says there was no explosion. >> we hear at l 4 explosion. those explosion were relate to the fire. ati was in the area the otheren of the fiery didn't hear explosion. i don't know where the 4 explosion came 40. >> he said the fire sta at 6:30 the number 4 crew unit.
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they detected small leak and started investigating. >> part of the response process we get out to the job site and when the leak leak increased we evacuate the area and leak caused the fire. >>reporter: it says one minor injury. employee suffered superficial burn to the wrist and treated at onside clinic. diesel fuel is feeding the fire that pushed a thick black plume of smoke into the air and seen for miles and miles around. contra costa county health officials issued a shelter in place warning and they continue to take air measurements with relatively no wind the plume climbed high and didn't dissipate which ace good thing for air quality but continuing to take sample. >> the plume high up there. but there may be some concerns if it starts to pull down the plume might start coming down to the ground. >>reporter: according to the air measurements they have not picked
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