>> i have. we are just outside watertown. the police line is set up. no one is let in or out. there was activity and we news special report. and continuing coverage right now of that terrifying situation in boston, going on all through the night. the entire city on lockdown right now. 650,000 people ordered to stay inside by the governor. also in the surrounding suburbs, millions more ordered to stay inside as that manhunt continues for suspect number two in the boston marathon bombings. there you see him right there, dzhokhar tsarnaev, 19 years old. a graduate of boston latin high school been in the united states for 12 years believed to be of chechen origin. thousands have converged on watertown where there is a massive shootout last night that killed suspect number one, his brother. during the night they were using

weapons, they were using explosives, they were using bombs and right now we're about g delayer at the neorat any moment because at this time, police have surrounded an area where they believe suspect number two may be holed up at this time and, of course, we wouldn't want to do anything that would compromise the tactical situation facing the boston police right now, they have asked us not to do that. we will not share any information that could compromise what is going on right now but i do want to go to abc's pierre thomas in washington with the latest on the suspects and what the fbi is finding. pierre. >> reporter: george, this situation is so tense in part because they believe that the suspect has an assault rifle, an assortment of weapons including bombs. we are heard on the police scanner he's thought to be wearing a suicide vest. they do not believe this man is going to be taken alive. and also they said there's a great chance he would take hostages so that is why you're seeing these extraordinary measures throughout the boston

metropolitan region. >> we see how much firepower they had packed. he and his brother packed through the night and from the way that firefight unfolded through the night and the way the suspect escaped, it seems the fbi is acting on the assumption that these young men had paramilitary training. >> reporter: they believe that they had paramilitary training and law enforcement officials are saying that the way that they did the operation on monday, how calm, cool and collected they were, the cold-blooded nature of it, the fact that, you knne of the suspects we're seeing near an 8-year-old boy that he clearly would have been able to see that would be in the line fire anddeo this is described as the most urgent situation that law enforcement officials can recall since the sniper attacks and also never been a situation where an entire city has been on lockdown since 9/11. >> you see the picture, you see the bomber and the backpack and see the little boy, the youngest

victim of the boston marathon bombings right there. what you were saying, cooley walked away -- >> reporter: george, we're also picking up some scanner traffic where the suspect is posting online saying i will kill you all. you killed my brother. >> okay, that is more chilling information. i want to go to byron pitts outside the suspect's house in cambridge. we see the police waving everyone away there, byron. >> can you hear me there. >> reporter: hi, george, can you hear me. we're at the corner of norfolk street and cambridge in east cambridge, a working class neighborhood. police are now asking the media and public to back up. >> off the streets, please, thank you. >> what's the concern, officer? >> thank you. >> come on. let's go. >> off the sidewalk, please. around the corner.

>> reporter: to my right -- >> agents in vests -- >> we appreciate your cooperation. >> thank you. >> reporter: things have escalated in the past few minutes, for the past few hours the police have blocked off a few blocks of cambridge street where they believe one of the suspects lived. >> all right, they believed he lived right there on norfolk street. >> reporter: in the past -- >> go ahead, byron. >> reporter: i'll go back and give it to you when you come in. so the police are asking people -- we're moving back now. we apologize, move our cameras back so the police have extended -- they had blocked off two or three blocks of -- >> okay. byron, i'm afraid we've lost your mike. i know you'll get set up there. but want to go to brian ross in watertown and clearly, brian, this situation is intensified over the last half hour or so

after we saw governor deval patrick and the chief, the police commissioner come out and warn everyone to stay inside. a lot more information coming in, brian ross. >> reporter: certainly is and very grim-faced governor and police officials not sharing all they know, but deeply concerned enough to lock down the entire city of boston. tell everybody to stay inside and lock their doors in watertown where they've been searching for suspect number two since about 10:30, 11:00 last night. there's a no-fly zone and a police helicopter circling about a half mile away.at is the primw where they're looking for suspect number two. he is the 19-year-old brother. the other one, the dead suspect, 26 apparently moved here just five years ago and we can see and he was trying to become a boxer on the u.s. olympic boxing team and he wrote on a page posted there, "i have no american friends. i don't understand em?."

>> okay, brian. we got from a police scanner chilling information. take a listen. >> "i will kill all of you because you killed my brother." >> repet that, sir. >> sir, he is posting online, he is posting on line"i will kill all of you as you killed my brother." >> i will kill all of you as you killed my brother." the boast online by dzhokhar tsarnaev according to the police scanner report we just heard. this is a man prepared to kill and perhaps prepared to die. >> who police believe has an arsenal of weapons, assault rifles and perhaps even more chilling, a suicide vest. they found on the body of his brother a trigger that looked like he was wearing a suicide vest. they believe dzhokhar has the same vest and willing to die and take many out including those

chilling words, of course, extremely frightful to the boston area, but certainly this neighborhood has been directly affected. this is where the firefight too people have seen armed men trying to look and search through their backyards on their roofs trying to find this 19-year-old. linsey, tell us what it's like right there now. >> reporter: amy, we've been here for several hours. i can tell you police are taking the most aggressive stance they have now since we first arrived. not only the helicopter above but we just heard just a few minutes ago blaring sirens followed by maybe five or six bomb squad vehicles, residents appear to be taking heed, listening to the advice or the suggestion, the strong suggestion for people to shelter in place for them to stay inside their homes. do you guys need me to send it

back to you. >> we're just getting a lot of new information in terms of -- >> reporter: down the street here -- >> go ahead. i think we may have lost linsey. george, you have new information. >> reporter: down the street here there's a long delay between -- difficult to hear you. >> okay, linsey, thanks very much. to brad garrett right now in washington. we're getting a lot more information, brad, coming in about they may be zeroing in on where this young man could be and alerting going out over police scanners for someone who may have been outside the perimeter. this is every sine officer, every single law enforcement official right now in boston and all the surrounding areas on the highest state of alert. >> yes, and one of the big problems, george, you have somebody that's willing to die, willing to kill other people and has a lot of firepower. and so it alters how you

approach him, obviously, in a building or a structure. that's not going to kick in the door and go in there. you're going to have to figure out a way to figure out where he is in the building and then develop a plan but if he's got a suicide vest on, again, changes the formula. you don't want officers dying trying to get to him. so a very, very tense situation to end with no one else getting hurt but the bad guy. >> okay, josh, you're getting more information. we're hearing it appears from the suspect's father. >> indeed, the associated press has contacted the suspect's fath father, and he spoke with the ap from russia after police said that one of his sons, 26-year-old tamerlan had been killed in a shootout and other dzhokhar was being pursued "my son is a true angel." dzhokhar is a second year medical opportunity in the u.s. wexpted him to come

and accomplished young man. and is a second year medical student, according to his father. >> we heard from his classmate as well. >> we'll take that to martha raddatz, our chief global affairs correspondent right now, martha, we're learning more and more about the suspects as the morning goes on now. we do know they are of chechen origin, one of the brothers had been here, the one still on the loose for about 12 years, his older brother for about five years, significant, perhaps, that his father still lives in russia in one of the russian republics could reinforce the idea that perhaps the young men did go back at various times. >> reporter: yeah, that's a surprise that the father still lives in russia because when they left chechnya apparently they moved to kazakhstan and dagestan after that and the youngest was born in kazakhstan. i don't know whether the mother is here. we don't have that information that but i think what is so chilling is what the young woman told you a short time ago who

knew him from high school, the younger suspect, that he was just a normal kid. in so many ways, that's the nightmare of law enforcement, someone just blending into society and all the time in the how long, plottingo kill innocent americans. >> and i want to go to pierre thomas right now. seeing his father called in from the republic of dagestan, fferer soviet union now independent, what more is the fbi learning now? >> reporter: george, here's the situation. this is how tension it is. that online posting saying that "you killed my brother, i'm going to kill you all." they're still trying to verify that it's actually him. but because the situation is so urgent, they thought it prudent to still get that information out to law enforcement in the field to help them understand what his mentality may be going forward so they're still trying to confirm the authenticity of that online posting but it's telling that they still put that on a police scanner to warn

officers in the field what they're dealing with. >> so much activity outside in the neighborhood where he was believed to be living before outside norfolk street. to byron pitts, i'm afraid the police may be moving him. we don't have him right now so, dan abrams, let me come here to you with this right now. we're seeing this flood of information as we see the helicopters over the streets of boston, a flood of information coming in on these young men. >> yeah, we got to be care phil here because already we're just learning someone created a fake twitter account in his name and so, you know, and is posting things but it is a fake twitter account so got to be careful as to the type of information. the most important information obviously coming from the police scanners, interesting fact coming out about 20 minutes ago that one of the officers saw the suspect outside of the police perimeter wearing a hooded sweatshirt. they then called in the air unit to follow him.

again, that doesn't mean that necessarily was the case but that's what was said on the police scanner. >> volatile situation again outside the home of suspect number two. i want to go to byron pitts. what's been happening there, byron? >> reporter: well, george, the police presence here has increased steadily over the past half hour, about 15 minutes or so heavily armed fbi agents with their kevlar vests on, long rifles came barreling down the street and police were yelling at the press and pedestrians to move out of the block. that was a dramatic increase from what we've seen in the past few hours. we're in east cambridge, a working class neighborhood, authorities believe that one of the suspects lived at 410 norfolk street here in cambridge. early this morning police began evacuating neighbors around that house. one of those people who was evacuated is joining me now. his name is lawrence ruff. >> good morning. >> walk me through what happened this morning. it was a normal morning and what happened? >> i was watching the news and

all of a sudden there was police on my street. i looked out the window. two suvs first and a couple of tv crews in the corner and then like not even five minutes later all kind of s.w.a.t. teams and fbi agents converged on my street and i came outside. tried to go to the store and go back inside. they said, no, we're going to evacuate the whole street. my grandson is here. my wife is over there. the whole block is outside. >> reporter: thank you very much. a short time ago the police told those residents like mr. ruff who have been evacuated they should go to the cambridge police department and will provide buses to neighbors to go to the cambridge police department to, quote, wait this out. the indication is that police have no intentions of releasing this neighborhood any time soon. as i said, they blocked off the neighborhood. we talked to some other folks in the streets hiding in closets when they saw the heavy police presence with the officers with

long rifles going house to house looking for what we're not certain. >> let me ask another question -- >> reporter: the house is to my -- please. >> as you've been talking to people in the neighbor, able to find out if any of the people in the neighborhood had ever seen dzhokhar tsarnaev before or his brother? >> reporte gentle ju, mr. ruff, saidug h the two brothers walkingen 0 the street a few days ago but couldn't be certain. that information is foggy but every other person in the neighborhood say the two young men looked unfamiliar. this is a working class neighborhood. a very diverse community. folks were out early. there's some university students, the? we just talked to works in the local hospital. but no one we've talked said they knew them permanently or had any direct contact with hem. >> okay, byron, thanks very much. amy, a few moments ago you just switched to someone you did. >> a classmate who went to high school with dzhokhar tsarnaev,

cambridge rindge and latin school, a prestigious school in the boston area and described him in a very chilling way as a normal american classmate. let's take a listen to what she had to say. >> well, i went to high school with him and he was always a very, you know, nice, kind of funny guy so this is incredibly shocking and absolutely horrifying. you know, he was quiet, kind of shy. but a very nice, you know -- it's even weird to use that word now, of course, but he never seemed like the kind of person that could ever do. >> did you know figure about his background or family? >> no, nothing at al he went by dzhokhar in high school, his nickname but we spelled it differently but he was just a normal student. >> this is george stephanopoulos. thanks for joining us. we were told he's been here since the age of 7. what more could you tell us about did he speak with an

accent? how americanized was he? did he ever talk about where he came from? >> no, not really at all. i mean, we -- my school is very diverse, very open and accepting. we just kind of -- he didn't really talk with an accent at all. he was pretty, i mean, american i guess. >> sierra, this is josh elliott. can you tell us anything about his family? did he ever speak of them and did you ever see them? >> no, i never did. i never heard about them or saw them. >> tell us what he was like in school. you told us he was slightly shy but he was in acting classes with you. what kind of a student was he? did he have a lot of friendsy give us a sense -- >> he had a lot of friends. he was a relatively, you know, well-liked guy, well known. he took, you know, a lot of honor classes, he got a scholarship. he was not someone that was not -- didn't try hard. he did try in high school. >> did he travel a lot. miss ho? e whether or not he may have

been traveling back and forth. if he went back home to russia. did you feel like he had any connection back to his homeland? >> most definitely we all just saw him as another guy. i don't remember him ever leaving. i mean he was just kind of one kid in our grade. it was like he never seemed suspicious or weird or anything. so it's very shocking for all of us. >> sierra, when those pictures came out last night, did you recognize him right away? >> immediately. at the time there was still rumor that he had been identified as the student from brown, the one that went missing, but i saw on my phone this picture, the picture of the suspect and i was like, wow, that looks just like dzhokhar, that's weird and i went on my facebook and noticed his was deleted. >> when is the last time you saw him and do you know what happened after high school? >> i know he went to college, i

believe but i don't remember where. i saw him, i think, in cambridge, yeah, the summer before i went to college so summer of 2011 and like i said before, it was just, you know, just normal. i mean cambridge is such a tight-knit close community, we're all close and diverse from my high school and never seemed out of the ordinary at all. this was not someone who was in trouble in high school or shy. he was just one of us. >> when you saw the information -- >> very weird. >> -- last night did you reach out to police or any other friends that knew him? >> no, sir, we were told by the time the media was wrong and he was someone else so a lot of my friends who recognized him went back to bed. >> what about his parents? did you ever meet them? were they ever involved in the school? >> no. >> what about his brother? >> i didn't even know he had a brother. >> sierra, he was also an accomplished wrestler.

>> yes. >> how would you describe -- that's at least being a part of a team. was he -- how good was he? what sort of athlete was he? did you have a sense of that? >> he was a great athlete. you know, he did well. i think he won a scholarship for it. like i said before, this is very unexpected. cambridge is known for, you know, having some amazing students, accomplished students that go on to amazing things. this is out of the ordinary, absolutely, completely shocking. >> so he was an honor student, a star athlete who had a lot of friends. what is your reaction to seeing what we're looking at right now, he is the most wanted man in america right now. >> well, when i woke up, it was -- it's like i'm l nigharri. it can't be described. i'm just really hope they catch him aniust want anyone in cambridge who knows his whereabouts should definitely call the police

because we all knew him for four years and that's something a lot of people can't say. >> living a nightmare and the streets of boston, everyone has been ordered to say inside and the surround suburbs. to brian ross on the streets of watertown been there all through the night, the firefight several hours ago and know the police were going house to house in watertown but has the intensity of activity moved out of watertown now? >> reporter: not at all, george. and what happened was in the cover of darkness last night after the gunfight here that ended up killing his brother and wounding a transit policeman, he clearly has found a place to hide because they can't find him right now and there is a sense of desperation and urgency. they don't know if he has other associates. they're not sure what weapons he might have, what other explosives he might have and what other explosives may have been left in other positions in the city of boston.

something led them to agree to the fact that the entire city should be on lockdown so no lessens of urgency but a sunny, nice day and stunning contrast. >> do they know how far he might have gone. the rcesy he had drive a do they have any sense at all of how far he was able to go? >> reporter: no, drove in the mercedesneicer telling me while he was driving and chasing him they tried to call the mercedes company to see if they could somehow cut off the ignition. they weren't able to do that but right over this way where they pulled the car over, the gunfight ensued after they had taken off and began to run through the neighborhood there and that was the gunfight back and forth and then he got away. that's how he did it in the middle of the gunfight. he disappeared. somewhere they still believe in the neighborhood over there. that's the working theory but

it's a place of suburban residential homes and they just don't know which home he might be in or which garden shed he's hiding in. >> we're seeing the video that came in of that gunfight earlier this morning. shortly after midnight and, of course, that's the photo of dzhokhar tsarnaev, suspect number two on the loose in boston, massachusetts, right now, believed to have been in the united states for about 12 years of chechen descent from russian background and heard from his father and one of his classmates at cambridge latin high school said she wasn't sure what happened after high school and his father calling the associated press and said he went on to medical student and i want to go to jon karl because the president getting all these reports in realtime, as well. >> reporter: absolutely, the president, intelligence, national security and homeland security teams working around the clock. we've been watching, george, the west wing of the white house, george. whenever the pres the oval office there is a marine standing guard. that has not happened all day. the president apparently has not

been in the oval office at all. we've been told he was briefed overnight and working in that office as you know that he has in the hallway off the hallway down from the lincoln bedroom he has an office in the residence of the white house and assume he's either there or gone directly into the situation room but an eerie quiet around the west wing as this has become the absolute sole focus. they are trying to gather information. what i am told by counterterrorism officials is what they are looking for most now is any connections between these two brothers and international terrorism organizations and whether or not they were here operating on their own or whether or not they were part of a larger cell and may be other cell members out there. that's the number one concern right now and in addition to the immediate manhunt for the surviving brother. >> jon, thanks. we have someone on the phone who knew dzhokhar tsarnaev. steven owens is on the phone. can you? >> yeah, i can hear you. >> tell us how you knew dzhokhar. >> i met him when i was in the

seventh grade and he was just a great kid. he was fun to be around. very studious, very smart. i don't remember a time when he was ever having trouble in school. he was a great hlete. he was a great athlete. just a great person to be how long ago wasseventh grade. how long ago was that? what year was that? >> that wa 2006.at about 2006. traight ou knew him straight through, straight through middle school and high school? >> yeah. us?hat moore can you tell us? did he ever express any kind of political sympathies at all? >> he always thought the world was stupid. like he didn't -- >> the war in iraq, the war in afghanistan. >> yeah. >> and what else did he say about that? >> not much like we didn't really talk about it much. the only time it came up was when we were learning about it in school.

>> and so am i right to assume you never got a sense from him that he was angry at the united states or might take some kind of violent action? >> no, he was -- he always had a positive attitude. >> did you know his brother? >> i didn't know his brother. >> what else did you know about his family, his father, his mother, any other relations he might have? >> not much. i really don't know much about his family. >> and when you saw these photos, you knew it was him? >> i -- i didn't really know what to think at first. i didn't recognize him because it had been about two years since i seen him since i graduated with him and then i started looking through my arbook because i thought i recognized him and there he was and i was just so surprised. >> just the bottom line right t re's nothing you ever saw him say, do in any way, shape or form that would give you the idea that he

could carry out an operation like this? >> never. >> okay, steve owens, thanks very much. >> that is certainly chilling, indeed and know so many people now, 625,000 people in the boston area are on lockdown, millions more in the surrounding areas and one of the families holed up this morning and throughout the night in cambridge, massachusetts, near where we see so much of that police activity is sam bachelor. he has his wife and three children with him, as well. sam, are you with us? >> yes. >> tell me what you all have been going through this morning. what has it been like? >> it's been surreal. you know, the streets have been quiet. there's been really no activity outside. not even cars. but you hear fairly constant sirens in the distance. >> sam, when were you first notified you needed to stay indoors. did police visit your home or see it on television. >> i got a text message from a friend at about 6:00 a.m. and

started checking the news through the internet and saw everything that's going on and, you know, kid kids' day care to they shut down and my wife got a call from her office saying they were closed. >> i don't know the ages of your children, but how are you explaining this to them?this ha and this is a real fear here because there is a man on the loose and he may be nearby and he may be armed with massive explosives. how are you talking to your kids? >> we're not. our kids are extremely young, they're 3 and 16-month-old twins so keeping the tv off and checking the internet only for updates. >> all right, well, we certainly wish you the best. you are among so many others who are in the same situation in cambridge right now so thank you for joining us, sam, we certainly wish you and your family to stay safe. >> where the police have been looking at the home believed to

be the home of dzhokhar tsarnaev. byron? >> reporter: george, here's what we can report. we now know that is the house where he lived. we've talked now to at least three young men who say they went to high school with the younger of the two suspects, dzhokhar tsarnaev. here now with my is ty burrows. 21-year-old. you say you went to cambridge high school with the younger brother. yes? >> correct. yeah, i went it school with him. >> reporter: what kind of guy. >> real cool guy. we used to hang out. nothing too out of the ordinary. you know, just hang out with the guys, smokot. little high school kid things. he was a normal kid. he was really nice. didn't really seem as the type to be -- that would harm a fly. >> reporter: did he ever talk politics or religion? >> no, any time that i hang out with him it was real casual. i never hung out with him one on one. we never discussed politics. conversations i would have debate is which rapper is better than the other, teams, talking

about different games, last night's game. definitely nothing out of the ordinary. >> reporter: he seemed like another kid from cambridge. >> yeah, seemed like a normal kid from cambridge who doesn't have any real political -- just kind of misinformed or uninformed i should say. >> reporter: who lives in the house with him. >> i'm not sure. i know he had an older brother. i don't know if the brother lived with him. i'm pretty sure he lived with his parents. i'm not 100%. >> reporter: you mentioned a sister. >> he did have a sister. we went to elementary with his sister back in like 2005 but i haven't spoken with her in years. >> there have been reports that he'd only been in the united states for a year or two? that i would have to say i definitely seen him in the country before. >> reporter: okay. >> thank you so much and that's the kind of description we're hearing over and over again about this young man that we're to believe these young people who say they went to high school

with him. a normal kid, average kid who did typical high school things, they said it was friendly, didn't stand out. we talked to another young man who was in gym class with him who said he was fairly athletic. did sit-ups together, nothing out of the ordinary. not a showed no signs of anger. wasn't anti-social at all. that's the sense we're getting here, but, george, what's occurring at the moment, police have the street blocked off, the fbi, we know, heavily armed about a block away from us doing some activity but we'll keep you on it as best we can. >> thank you, more on dzhokhar tsarnaev, larry hackett, managing editor of "people" magazine. we talked to four classmates. only inkling is steve owens said he thought the wars in iraq and afghanistan were stupid. we've heard more now and you have heard from the father. >> one of our correspondents spoke to him. anzort in russia, he was distraught and horrified about what happened. "they never could have done

this. i know my kids, never touched anything like this. he then expresses total horror and despair but the one son was killed. they could never do bombing. they were very good kids. wanted to go to medical school. my family is all very nice. i'm very depressed of the how am i going to live. never i think in my life this would happen. earlier on we spoke to the uncle who lived in maryland who was horrified. the young one on the loose wanted to be a doctor and he is absolutely horrified. they murdered people. i can never speak to them again. they came from turkistan and from kyrgyzstan and they left chechnya and other members in russian facebook page that s dzhokhar went to first grade in dagestan as well so they had been in several of these republics. to brad garrett, former special agent of the fbi now an abc news

consultant so, brad, we're learning more and more about the background of dzhokhar tsarnaev and i have to say at least from what we're hearing so far, it doesn't seem to point in the direction of violence in any way at all and does that surprise you and what is the fbi do with information like that? >> well, first of all, it doesn't surprise me and here is the reason why, is that people who are driven by philosophical extremism not a serial killer, not those type of people, they -- what they do is they can sort of bifurcate their life and lead a normal life and go to school, do the things that everyone else does, wrestling, social events and then they have this other side, this other thing that sort of building in their life and my guess is he's so young, we don't know how ng he's been involved in this. somebody started impressing him with this, maybe his brother, maybe not and so they sort of

led double lives. and i've seen this before in other sort of more sophisticated terrorism cases, so it doesn't surprise me again that the parents or relativesinwe had no idea this was going on because they kept this mask or face tt everything was just fine and normal. >> and just to follow up on something pierre was talking about earlier, so much of this could have happened over the internet. >> well, certainly it could happen over the internet. and i think what they're -- what the fbi will try to do quickly, is there some sort of covert network that he and his brother were involved in in talking to other people that they taped here in the united states? that also is conceivable. so a lot of loose ends as to what's going on beyond the two of them and that's what they've got to get their arms around today. >> okay, and, brad, as they start to go through this and of course the first priority right now is finding him on the scene

in boston or wherever he is in the suburbs of boston right now but they are going to piece together an entire profile in the coming hours and days. >> yeah, that's exactly right. and as we talked earlier, it's hard to imagine that this is going to end safely. >> okay. thanks very much. >> want to turn now to brian ross with some brand-new video of that hijacked mercedes suv from overnight where that firefight took place. brian. >> reporter: we happened to catch our cameraman caught a shot of that car being towedawa brotrs hij carjacked at a gas station in cambridge near memorial drive. they left the driver off. he was a lucky man, police say, and then took off. police for awhile got the report of the stolen car and then when they realized that it was connected to the robbery at the 7-eleven, putting two and two together and thought those must

be the two suspects they were looking for it when one of the patrol cars here in watertown spotted it and that led to this wild chase with guns being fired and explosive devices being thrown back at the pursuing police cars, tom says when he saw the car, it was riddled with bullets, riddled with bullets. >> brian, do you for where they picked up that car, how far away from the scene of the firefight it was? >> reporter: well, the car was hijacked on memorial drive in cambridge, which is, oh, i'd say, seven, eight miles from here in watertown so a wild ride through there. >> was he on foot? >> reporter: yes, they chased it through here on this wild chase, they stopped the car, everybody got out, there was a gun battle quiet suburb in which the transit police officer was

seriously wounded and the old brother was wounded and ultimately died of those wounds and then the younger brother took off on foot somewhere in the area up here and they still don't know where he is now. >> okay, brian, thanks very much. i want to check -- yeah, do we have christopher swift on the phone? professor of security studies at georgetown university. thanks for joining us. i take it you're an expert on chechnya. can you tell us a little more about that region, the former soviet republic and what kind of terrorist activity we've known about. >> sure, good morning, george. it's a pleasure to be with you this morning. the war in chechnya has been in two phases, the first in the 1990s, that was mainly a separatist war, the chechens have been trying to get away from russia for the last 300 years or so and when the soviet union fell apart, the chechens made a go at it. starting in 1999 we had the

second russian chechen war. that war initially began as a nationalist war, much like the first one but very, very quickly metastasized into something that looks much more like the radical jihadi conflicts we've seen in other regions around the world. now, it's important to note that the movement that's emerged from this 15 years of war is very radical. it's very virulent. it's very nasty, but up until w noit's also been very, very local. their ideology and rhetoric talks about fighting against -- fighting jihad against the west but their operations have always been in russia itself and predominantly within the republics of chechnya, dagestan and other areas so in boston at the boston marathon doesn't really seem to comport with the operations we've seen from this region in the past but it does comport with the self-radicalizing ideology that some of your experts have been talking about occurring online. >> fascinating context.

i hope you'll stay with us. quickly back to larry hackett, managing editor of "people." >> new details as we translate the interview. i talked to my sons yesterday. both of them. he said. we talked about the bombing. i was worried about them. they said they were okay. yesterday i talked with them. he say everything is good, daddy, everything very good. >> this is unbelievable. these guys who know they've done it is to presume that in some way they're being tracked calling their father in russia. >> who is worried about them and they tell him we're fine. >> not a clue at all. >> incredible. >> thanks very much. let's go back to martha raddatz now. just talking to the professor about chechnya and about the operations we learned from that region. you know, everything we've known about the chechenser the russian leadership andhen the subject of bru counteraacks from the russians. nothing rely outside of that region which is why this is so confounding. one of the things, i'm watching

and watched that mercedes suv being pulled away is that it tells you that all of the weapons that that young man has were on his person. they hijacked that car. it's not as if they had a car of their own and were running that around with the trunk loadweapons. they must have had those weapons an assault rifle whether he has a suicide vest on, the grenades or whatever explosive devices he was throwing. the brothers must have had those in bags. i would say he couldn't have a huge amount with him unless he has run someplace where they set up weapons beforehand. if he's on foot, he's carrying those weapons, if he's hiding somewhere, he may stop running and try to bring law enforcement to him. he may try to attract them to him if he wants to try to take the lives of law enforcement and everything we've heard he probably would. >> let's go to brad garrett with more -- with that point right

there that martha brings up, brad. i mean, presumably then what he could have left after, you know, after the carjack, after the firefight in watertown, perhaps he has a suicide vest but wouldn't be able to be carrying ole lot more wnry, would he? >> no, of course not bec he had vehicle obviously, goes to this one so we're going to guess whatd in a back, did he have a suicide vest in his backpack? maybe, but a limited amount of ammunition. still we'll have to see, martha's got a point that he might draw law enforcement to him. although keep this in mind, they set this bombing up to get away from it. >> that's what i was just going to ask you about, brad. we seem to be getting contradictory indications here. on the one hand you look at the tape of what happened at the boston marathon on monday. you see them dropping the bags

walking cooly away. could this now -- more an act of des per operation on their behalf. >> could well be or he may try to get away and we don't know. maybe he has gotten away. one of the keys is when you seal off neighborhoods or small cities is did you get them sealed off quick enough before he got outside your perimeter? so, you know, that remains to be seen. >> how about that information we heard from larry, the idea they were talking to their father yesterday, three days after the bombing making an international phone call presumably i would -- i guess i shouldn't presume it was over a cell phone but calling their father in a russian republic, again, it seems to be of a piece with this contradictory piece of information getting all day long, on the one hand a great deal of sophistication and ruthlessness. on the other holding up a 7-eleven, calling ad, some pretty dumb moves. >> rter: i think that also tells that they don't have a lot of experience doing this.

maybe they were trained. maybe they weren't. they did organize it. they appear to be two bright guys. but they don't think about all those steps. as martha pointed out earlier, they weren't aware or didn't care of all those surveillance cameras, particularly on the day in question, so it's those little things like money, what if we do get caught, what if law enforcement does come after us? what are we going to do? why do you stick up a 7-eleven after this is i assume to get some cash to keep moving. >> brad, thanks. i think pierre thomas is back online. new information, pierre. >> reporter: george, we understand that the attorney general eric holder and fbi director robert mueller are about to brief the president shortly on the current situation, senior law enforcement official says no word that the second suspect is in custody. the situation still described as urgent, tense, grave, that the suspect is loaded for bear, expected to have a confrontation

with police and possibly take hostages. >> let's go -- >> the president will be briefed shortly. >> back to brian ross on the scene in watertown. >> reporter: george, i wanted to add there's about an two-hour gap where it's not clear where they were after they robbed the car, got in the gunfight and then hijacked the car, robbed grocery store rather then got in th a high scombrjacked the car they were missing and it's presumed they went somewhere to stock up with more explosives which is how they loaded up that mercedes with so many devices anthe theory here at least an operating thryy another mission to plant explosives somewhere. >> okay, well, thank you for that. back to byron pitts. can you hear us? i know you're in cambridge, massachusetts, near the home that police have surrounded believed to be the home of dzhokhar. what's the latest there? >> reporter: hi, george. i'm joined now by derek winbush,

another of the young men we met in cambridge who say they went to high school with the 19-year-old suspect. you went to school at cambridge rindge and latin school. >> yes. >> reporter: you went to class with him. >> i had gym. physical education. >> reporter: every description we've had of him so far, pleasant kid, good kid. nothing out of the ordinary. >> yeah, nothing, nothing that, you know, would strike you -- nothing that would take your attention -- >> reporter: you're saying how he would behave in gym class. >> he was -- he was just a normal guy. he would -- he would interact with, you know, the joke sters but he was never one of the ones that was making the jokes. he was always blasting -- >> reporter: you told one of our colleagues if anyone tried to punch him or -- >> if i heard a dzhokhar getting physical, even though he was a wrestler and

maybe a boxer, if i ever heard dzhokhar getting into a fight with himi would be like, dzhokhar, because he's such nice guy. >>orter: the wstling team in the high school. >> yes. >> reporter: do you know where he went after? >> no, i heard he was in a college but i didn't know where. >> reporter: thank you very much. i appreciate it. george, that is the picture that's being painted more fully as the hours pass about this young man, a student in high school, in talking to -- we talked to young people, 20-somethings, they know him. older folks have no recollection of him. early this morning when the police were aggressively evacuating our neighbor, two of our colleagues saw the police moving a woman who appeared to be inary 40s or 50s from that white house where they believe the suspect lived. other folks in the neighborhood cooperated this particular woman in her 40s or 50s from the house where the suspt ved, she became abit aggressive, she was resistant and unwilling to leave the scene and police had to

escort her physically away from the house. we point to that because it's different from how anyone else in the community responded to the police request. >> are you confident that she was actually in the same house? >> reporter: she was at the white house from the position that our colleagues were it appears she was brought out of the house so that seems consistent with other information that we have, that he lived in the house with his mother or with an older woman, we've been told and so it's consistent -- >> got it. >> reporter: as to this woman being brought out of the house and the only person in the area who was uncooperative when police asked residentso mo.at te the down some. police aren't moving around as quickly as they were a bit ago. we know that the fbi agents are still in the neighborhood moving around. they've extended their perimeter. initially it was about three blocks or so around the white house in question.

they've expanded it out now to more like five blocks moving around but things really have quieted down. there was a big rush about a half hour ago that i think you saw part of that live on television. since then things have quieted down considerably. more and more people are coming back and hearing mostly from young people, 18, 19 years old who say they went to school with the 19-year-old suspect and every person we've talked to thus far has described him as pleasant, easy-going and heard from the last young man he was perhaps on the wrestling team in his high school and all lost contact when he went off to college. >> it is a consistent story. thanks very much. let's go to bianna golodryga on the phone right now with us, as well. you speak russian, i know that and you have spoken to the father. >> i spoke with their father and spoke with him 10, 15 minutes. he is aware of what's happening in boston. he is watching it on television. he is in utter shock and both of his sons terlan and dzhokhar would never do such things. tamerlan is also the father of a

3-year-old daughter, i am told. amzort moved back and lived in massachusetts for ten years and moved back to russia for health reasons. he did tell me, george, that he did speak with both of his sons, of course, these are his words, not mine, tell you what he told me. police said he spoke with both of his sons following the bombings in boston on monday, monday evening. he asked them if they were there in the vicinity. they said no, they don't attend such things much they were very calm. no reason for him to assume they were somehow involved. he also said they had no involvement with any organizations, very calm, very bright students focused a lot on schoolwork. didn't have many friends outside of school. tamerlan, his elder son is married, has a 3-year-old daughter and also told me amzort has two more daughters who live in new york.

so that's what we know right now. he has not spoken with dzhokhar but he had a message he would like me to convey to him if dzhokhar happens to be watching and that to give himself up. come to russia on vacation over the next day, so all of this again very fluid. finding out about this realtime watching on tv. obviously very distressed but also definitely clear that his sons wouldn't do something like this. this is a huge shock to him. >> bianna, you broke up for a minute. i want to underscore. you're saying the father had a direct message to the son if the son were listening. can you repeat it. >> if his son is watching that he tells him to surrender peacefully, to give up, to give in and to come home to him in russia. he says he has a place for him. a bit eerie. i asked him what his thoughts are on the current situation and

if what he would do if, in fact, his second son died and he said that if they killed him, these are his words, if they killed him, that all hell will break loose. so i don't know what that means, obviously a father in anguish but he says he did speak with his sons, the last he spoke with them was a couple of days ago after the bombings in boston and they said that they had no idea about the situation, that they weren't there and that they were not involved. i asked him what his thoughts were, if his sons were the men who perpetrated this crime knowing that an 8-year-old boy was killed at their hands. he said obviously his heart breaks when he hears that but he stands firm that his children, his sons would have never done something like this. >> bianna, you said that the father and his wife had been back in russia for the last year. the boys, though, both boys stayed in the united states. >> reporter: both boys stayed in the united states. i asked them if they had any

anger, any angst against america. he said, no, they loved this country, they studied here. the youngest came here as a small child and as we've heard from his friends and those who know him, he seemed to be a pleasant young man, very social. and also right now the father is just concerned about his well-being and also that of his grandchild and his daughter-in-law who just now lost her husband. >> forgive me if you can't answer this question but do you know anything more about the father, what he does, you said he returned to russia for health reasons. anything more about his background, how old he is, who he might know? >> reporter: george, the line broke off before i could start asking him specifics about himself. i obviously was just concerned with the present and what his relationship was with his children. he clearly has a very close relationship with these children, just spoke with them a couple of days ago, said he spent ten years living in the united states. he has two daughters here in new york.

i do not know their names or how old they are but his primary concern right now is what's unfolding with his younger son in boston. >> a lot of important information there including that message the father wants his son to have right now, give yourself up is the father's message to his son. bianna golodryga, thanks very much, larry hackett, managing editor of "people." you spoke to spun of dzhokhar's sister. >> she is in mourning, she said horrified and mystified. she doesn't know what got into the two boys, she says. her husband is not a muslim and issues with the family and sounds like there might be some estrangement but don't want to go there necessarily. >> brad, a few minutes ago you were telling us all about this profile that is not that unfamiliar to you of leading an absolute double life. >> that's exactly right and particularly when you have someone that believes that their actions are right, they're correct, they're spiritual, whatever word you want to apply

and so i understand why he could get on the phone after maiming and injuring so many people on monday and act like he doesn't have a care in the world because he doesn't feel bad about it, george. and he believes that his other life is a cover life to support ultimately what he believes he should be doing which is what happened on monday. >> and the only conceivable clue of everyone we've talked to so far at least and, of course, that's very limited, brad, you've heard all these reports from his classmates and sounding like a normal american kid, good athlete, wrestler, talking about rappers, at one point may have said that he was against the wars in iraq and afghanistan. that seems to be the only thing we've could mame across so far would indicate political motivation whatsoever. >> that's so he's been very effective ateepi these two lives separate. what he's been thinking this way.

did this occur in the last year school. so this aspect was not going on. that obviously remains to be seen. but a -- if that occurred, what a very dramatic shift in such a short period of time. >> let me go to martha raddatz for a little bit more on this. we were talking a little before about anwar awlaki, the muslim cleric who had been proselytizing over the internet trying to inspire action here in the united states >> that's exactly what he was trying to do and why they thought he was such a threat. i used to talk to officials saying what is it awlaki has done, exactly, just putting stuff out on the internet. we learned later he had a far bigger role in some of the terrorist acts in this country but they thought that was a huge threat exactly for that reason, that he would inspire people and, remember, they had this online magazine and this

magazine told people how to put a pressure cooker bomb together so that's the kind of things that will go back, going to try to check the internet. they're going to do whatever they can to track what these two young men were up to and what changed them. what radicalized them. were they living these double lives r a long time as brad said or did something happen in the last yea so? alsoave to wonder about the training. the younger brother probab dndi have as much training as e older bro was 26, the younger one was 19. so he's -- i'm not saying he trained in chechnya anywhere else but just trading to operate these devices training to throw a grenade, training to work an assault rifle, whatever he had. >> that's one -- let me interrupt. that's one of the clear dividing lines. pierre was reporting given the way these young men engaged in the firefight that authorities believe at or at least assume they must have had some kind of training which would presume

then a kind of connection, where more people are involved which is quite different from some of the other actions we've seen in recent years as the apparatus and the infrastructure of al qaeda has been dismantled more people, simply getting information off the internet or in other ways and taking action on their own. >> reporter: yeah, i think they could do that, george. i think -- i don't want to take a leap to say there are others training them. i don't want to take a leap to say they're involved with other people but that is definitely something they're checking. they could learn all of this on the internet. they could learn how to make a suicide bomb. they could learn these pressure cooker bombs obviously and they could get weapons, it's pretty easy to get weapons in this country, so they could do that. they clearly have done thasort of thing. they clearly have weapons with them and fortunately we don't think there are too many weapons he has but if he has a suicide vest that obviously is a

complicating situation because law enforcement can't exactly rush in because they don't want any of the law enforcement so law enforcement is going to go slow, even if they find him, they're going to go very, very slow. >> and, of course, they are and let me go back to pierre thomas right now. pierre, this concern about homegrown terrorism inspired by al qaeda has been growing over recent years. but, you know, one of the things we entered no this week and this is the anniversary, the 20th anniversary of waco was some concern perhaps we'd see an act of domestic terrorism starting on patriots day and so much speculation in the hours after the marathon that it might have been some form of domestic terrorism but this is taking us in quite another direction. >> reporter: one thing we learned about this particular stretch of mid-april is bad things have been happening, the virginia tech massacre. you had the columbine shooting, as well. so in addition to waco and

oklahoma city, there's been all kinds of violence, so law enforcement officials tell me that they're sensitized to all of it and you have to be and that's why it o port get intelligence and to try to be prepared. indicationno iatn monday wngtake place. there was no threat information soar twemiat would have put the alert. now, i know that they're going back and looking at seeing whether anything was discarded that they should not have something that was seen not creditable that turned out to be credible. >> ongoing situation in boston. we'll pause right now to begin "good morning america" live on the west coast. 57bd many news stations will be standing with our live coverage on abc news. >> announcer: this has been a special report from abc news.

good morning, america. bulletin at this hour. one of two suspects in the boston marathon bombings is dead after a chaotic chase and massive shoot-out just miles from the finish line overnight. it started with the fatal shooting of a police officer at m.i.t. the suspects throwing explosives from a car and the dramatic chase. >> we believe this could be a terrorist. >> suspect number one in the black hat killed. suspect number two in the white hat still at large. >> there is a massive manhunt under way. >> the entire city of boston is on lockdown. subways and buses stopped. he should b arm >> suation serious and scary. " li